1-2: "Immoral Mathematics" 2011.11.13
Posted Nov 13, 2011 @ 11:04 PM
Lily sewing up her own wounds like that was pretty bad-ass. Of course, then she passed out, but given all she's been through, I think we're lucky she's remained conscious at all.
This cracked me up:
"How do you put your trousers on, son?"
Posted Nov 13, 2011 @ 11:09 PM
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Posted Nov 13, 2011 @ 11:42 PM
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 3:12 AM
Still, I'm also having problems learning everyone's names, besides the two leads (even then, I usually of Doc as Colm Meaney first, and then I remember the actual character name. But everyone else is the just the preacher, the Irish bros, the Swede, the Native American who is civilized, the only woman that has speaking lines on this show, and, of course, Common. I actually like some of them like the bros, Common, and the woman (stitching herself was badass); or at the very least see potential in them (the preacher, the Native American), but I couldn't tell you any of their character's names if you offered me a million bucks or put a gun to my head.
And that poor Colm Meaney never gets cast as a nice guy.
Aw, I thought Miles O'Brien was a nice guy. He could be cranky and a hardass, but I don't blame him considering some of the shit that went down on Deep Space Nine.
Edited by thuganomics85, Nov 14, 2011 @ 3:13 AM.
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 5:42 PM
I too wish they hadn't saddled us with the typical vengeance story or at least hadn't been so heavy-handed about it. It makes Cullen very one-note. I'm really struggling to get a sense of who he is or why we should care at all about him beyond THEY KILLED HIS WIFE!!! although I did like his escape and Durant is right that he must have enormous balls to waltz into his office and ask for a promotion after all of that. I'm still having trouble getting some of these characters names down too though.
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 6:06 PM
The stitching up of the wound by the woman was, well, difficult to watch. Colm Meaney seemed a little over the top, but he had the best line of the night (about Cullen’s trousers). I’ll have to remember that one for a sig.
Edited by eforeman, Nov 14, 2011 @ 6:15 PM.
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 6:49 PM
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 8:12 PM
That and it's hard not to like the two Irish guys who have the right number of toes between them.
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 10:21 PM
Posted Nov 15, 2011 @ 9:11 PM
Just like Deadwood, without as much profanity. But Deadwood had Tim Olyphant (super hot!). This one is all grit and no eye candy.
Not sure I will stick with this - they treat the audience as idiots, using too many cliched ideas. Three stuck in my craw this time: The Swede was in Andersonville, because the viewers are too stupid to know there was more than one POW prison. #2, when Bohannan takes over Johnson's tent, there is the piece of needlework his wife had been working on in his memory. How flippin' convenient and totally unbelievable. Then the Indian war party could not track a stumbling, bleeding woman - geesh, she had to be leaving a trail a cub scout could follow.
Edited by smithgirl, Nov 15, 2011 @ 9:14 PM.
Posted Nov 15, 2011 @ 11:00 PM
ITA. That's what I thought was so great about Deadwood - it had lots of characters, all rich, charismatic and each with a different agenda. Hell on Wheels lacks this.
I too wish they hadn't saddled us with the typical vengeance story or at least hadn't been so heavy-handed about it. It makes Cullen very one-note. I'm really struggling to get a sense of who he is or why we should care at all about him beyond THEY KILLED HIS WIFE!!!
Also the story is just too vanilla for my taste. A noble southern gentleman is on a vengeance mission decorated as a western. He is opposed by typical enemies and typical "unlikely allies". The richest and most powerful guy on the show sees him for the first time and is already praising the size of his balls. And then he is praising himself for five minutes straight and gets a job. And everybody just doesn't give a crap that he isn't big for respecting authority and had just murdered that guy. Meanwhile, a pretty lady, who has just lost her beloved husband (how convenient!), is making her way from point B to point A, where our protagonist currently resides. Oh boy, I wonder what might happen there!
Swede was fucking awesome, but IMO that's mostly due to the actor's delivery - the lines were ok, but nothing too good. I've seen Christopher Heyerdahl on Supernatural before and he was just as good (if not better - he got to be pure evil there). But it looks as if they are planning to put him in the background as an angry dog who occasionally bites the protagonist, but just not too hard. I hope that I am mistaken though.
The whole setup and character interactions remind me more of a romance novel than of a western. It's pretty, the directing is fine, but it doesn't feel right. It's like Downton Abbey in the prairie.
Posted Nov 16, 2011 @ 6:05 PM
It's like Downton Abbey in the prairie.
I'm on this side of liking it. I admit to being a sucker for Westerns, so maybe I'm easy to please.
I thought this episode was much better than the pilot. Although after watching ep 2, I gave the pilot a second pass and it grew on me. The sets and costuming are fantastic. And the cinematography.
Things I liked:
1. The two muscle guys the Swede send to fetch Bohannon tell him it's for a job. If they'd told him the truth, they would have had a fight on their hands. This way he went quietly. Smart writing.
2. The Swede. Cold, dead eyes. How do you "act" dead eyes?
3. The Swede basically offering Bohannon an out if he'll implicate one of the Blacks. He doesn't care who killed Johnson, as long as he presents the appearance that someone paid for it. More of those "Immoral Mathematics."
4. Lily's toughness and resourcefulness. She pulled a piece of whalebone from her corset and made a needle out of it. Although the Cheyenne not being able to track her is hard to believe.
5. Bohannon's escape was suspenseful. I liked that they showed him baiting the Swede without giving himself away.
About the revenge plot, one possibility is that Bohannon tracked down one of the perps, who told him who the other perps were/are (maybe thinking he'd be spared if he talked -- or die quickly instead of slowly). Only he left out the sergeant for some reason. So Bohannon tracks one of them to D.C. Maybe the guy goes to mass every day? Has a routine that B. can exploit. After D.C., the next name on the list is Johnson. Who, though he fought for the North, was a racist SOB.
Regarding Bohannon's supposed liberal attitudes towards freedmen, I don't see him sitting down with Elam to have a drink or hang out. He isn't going to socialize with the African Americans. He may have freed his own slaves to make his Northern wife happy, but it doesn't sound as if it was from any real conviction of his own.
Him going to Doc Durant was a hail Mary, I admit. But he didn't have much choice. No place to hide, no place to run. And IMO, the arguments he used were compelling. Building the railroad was like fighting a war. He might be an asset.
And the foreman position was definitely available.
Posted Nov 17, 2011 @ 3:08 PM
Jumping on the Swede is creepy train. Seriously. I don't remember him from SPN.
I don't care about the Irish brothers. I probably should've paid more attention to their plot in the Pilot. What I did pay attention to in this episode didn't do anything for me.
I don't mine the revenge plot. I liked this episode and the pilot even though there are things that make me go, "Yeah, right." Like
TPTB really didn't need to go there with these two. It just smacks of lazy writing. Did being in Andersonville versus some other POW camp really make a difference to the story? (Admittedly, I know nothing about POW camps during that time.) And why would Johnson keep such a thing?
The Swede was in Andersonville, because the viewers are too stupid to know there was more than one POW prison. #2, when Bohannan takes over Johnson's tent, there is the piece of needlework his wife had been working on in his memory.
Lily was badass in stiching herself up. I don't remember how she got away so I can't be sure if it's unbelievable that she got away. Were the NA that distracted? I doubt she was running very fast for very long.
Someone in the pilot episode thread mentioned Cullen having this deep gravely voice. Either he stopped doing that or I just don't think his voice is that deep and gravely. He did seem to me to have a different demeanor this episode than the pilot. Almost like he was less burdened, easing into this life. Which doesn't make sense because he should be more pissed off that there is some guy out there that's responsible for his wife's death and he doesn't know who that person is.
I buy this because it's been shown what Doc's all about, money. I also think most people would be in awe, so to speak, of someone who had the balls to do what Cullen did. Cullen had to sell himself to Doc or else he was going to be hanged.
The richest and most powerful guy on the show sees him for the first time and is already praising the size of his balls. And then he is praising himself for five minutes straight and gets a job. And everybody just doesn't give a crap that he isn't big for respecting authority and had just murdered that guy.
Posted Nov 17, 2011 @ 10:27 PM
Besides giving a Civil War buff the chance to show off his superior knowledge on the subject since Andersonville would be the only POW camp known by those with just general knowledge of the era, I can't see how. There is no opportunity for nit picking like a character saying he was rescued from Auschwitz by the Americans instead of by the Soviets.
Did being in Andersonville versus some other POW camp really make a difference to the story? (Admittedly, I know nothing about POW camps during that time.)
Posted Nov 18, 2011 @ 12:40 AM
Why would anybody be in awe? He was already sentenced to death - a dead man walking, what's the worst thing that could've happened? He could pretty much do anything at all, worst case scenario - it would have ended the same way as if he did nothing.
I also think most people would be in awe, so to speak, of someone who had the balls to do what Cullen did.
Posted Nov 18, 2011 @ 3:28 PM
In awe because the last place you'd think someone in his position would go would be to the boss that have given someone the authority to kill him.
Posted Nov 20, 2011 @ 1:44 PM
Posted Nov 21, 2011 @ 5:31 AM
Except not really because Downton Abby is actually good. I've watch all the episodes to give it a chance and I just do not care about anyone, but Lily Bell and the native who saved her.
It's like Downton Abbey in the prairie.
How does this show have it's own forum when Revenge doesn't? People actually want to talk about Revenge.
Posted Nov 22, 2011 @ 12:26 AM
I just meant that HoW looks more like a pretty soap opera than a western and is an insult to the genre of sort. It obviously has nothing on Downton Abbey in terms of general quality and, in particular, casting.
Except not really because Downton Abby is actually good.