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[zwhippersnapper]

Thread to discuss the dorky glasses-wearing Lincoln Lee over here. Credit of the tagline goes to jophan =)

With the season 4 premiere, we're reintroduced to Lincoln on this side again. Boy, I like him even more than in "Stowaway". Probably because he was headstrong and didn't even back down from Olivia's glare. Butting in a case and yet adjusting quickly and providing good oversight, he's a good addition to the Fringe team.

He's more active than I remembered too, running around chasing suspects a lot, sort of like his alternate really. Although thankfully more mature than alt-Lincoln was.

Edited by zwhippersnapper, Sep 24, 2011 @ 10:00 AM.

[DixieGirl]

I liked him much better than I thought I would. The action surprised me as well, but I like that - kind of breaking the nerdy stereotype.

As long as they don't try to turn him into a love interest for 'our' Olivia, I think he's a fine addition.

[Money Magnet]

Love him. That's all I can say.

I get the feeling that, as a regular, he will have the same sort of screentime and significance in the field as Astrid does in the lab. Right now he's front and center, but I think after Peter comes back (that's not a spoiler, is it? For Peter will eventually return) he will be on every week just like Astrid is, but his role will be more of a helper in the field, just as Astrid is a helper in the lab. And I think this would add balance to the team. Up until now, the show has had two hot girls and only one hot guy. I think Joshua Jackson can share the screen with another hot guy.

[DixieGirl]

I think Joshua Jackson can share the screen with another hot guy.

There can never be too much hotness. Bring it on, I say!

[Trini Girl]

I wonder how much his personality will change if and when the timeline with Peter existing is restored. Even though he didn't have a close relationship with Peter, I imagine the changed circumstances would still have some effect.

I like him; except for the overtly dorky glasses, which is already pushing an obvious Clark Kent parallel.

[Sir_Fireboard]

Holy shit, sorry about all the posts, the forum kept giving me an error when I tried to comment.
*hides in embarrassment*

Edited by Sir_Fireboard, Sep 25, 2011 @ 6:16 AM.

[Sir_Fireboard]

Nothing to see here.

Edited by Sir_Fireboard, Sep 25, 2011 @ 6:12 AM.

[Sir_Fireboard]

Nothing to see here, part two. Damn you, gateway error.

Edited by Sir_Fireboard, Sep 25, 2011 @ 6:13 AM.

[Sir_Fireboard]

Oh cool, I'm glad there's a thread for him now. I was thinking of making one but I couldn't think of a title.

As long as they don't try to turn him into a love interest for 'our' Olivia, I think he's a fine addition.

Ugh, seriously. Olivia doesn't need to date another guy she works with. I don't mind Red!Lincoln and Fauxlivia, but keep the blueverse L/O strictly platonic, please.

It's one thing to have someone new to the Fringe team, but when that person has a double it makes it even more interesting. Seeing Red and Blueverse Lincolns meet each other is going to be awesome and I can't wait. I was hoping it would happen in the premiere but it's better that more time is given to it when it does take place.

And on another note, when news first broke that SG was joining as a regular I was intrigued, but when I found out that Blue!Lincoln was going to be around a lot was when I really got excited, because damn, he's hot (also, I like the dorky glasses). I was also never a huge fan of Red!Lincoln either so having the OverHere version makes me very happy. I may have watched Stowaway a few times over the hiatus, just saying.

[johntfs]

As long as they don't try to turn him into a love interest for 'our' Olivia, I think he's a fine addition.

I don't see that happening. He didn't seem to have any sexual interest in either Olivia or Astrid. Meanwhile, his emotional reaction regarding the death of his partner forcibly reminded me of Olivia dealing with John Scott's illness in the pilot.

[Money Magnet]

I don't think BlueLincoln is going to have a love life on the show (like Astrid doesn't). Of course, for some reason that is going to lead some viewers to conclude he is gay. But the show should have only one romance. Otherwise, it just gets soapy and distracting.

[agora]

As long as they don't try to turn him into a love interest for 'our' Olivia, I think he's a fine addition.

I don't think so, this is going to sound really weird but the only woman I could picture Lincoln with is the other Lincoln's Olivia, but I don't think he stands a chance as long as the other Lincoln is still around.

The man just can't compete with himself.

[LoraxGirl]

As long as they don't try to turn him into a love interest for 'our' Olivia, I think he's a fine addition.

Based on the first episode of this season, I think the writers are committed to Peter and Olivia together. But I am worried that Lincoln is going to develop a crush on our Olivia, even though Olivia doesn't see him that way and is in love with Peter. Much like how it is on the other side with altLincoln liking altOlivia, even though she is with Frank.

[johntfs]

I don't think BlueLincoln is going to have a love life on the show (like Astrid doesn't). Of course, for some reason that is going to lead some viewers to conclude he is gay. But the show should have only one romance. Otherwise, it just gets soapy and distracting.

It wasn't the lack of lovelife so much as the nature of Lee's interactions that pushed me toward that inference. Women, especially very attractive women, exert an influence over heterosexual men, even when they aren't actively "vamping" or somesuch. It's subtle, but it's there, like wind or gravity. This influence can certainly be resisted, but it takes a bit of self-awareness and conscious thought to do so.

Blue Lincoln wasn't making that effort. Hos interactions with Olivia were strictly from the viewpoint of the case. If anything, he seemed slightly uncomfortable when Olivia shared her story about the partner she lost. However, Lincoln's emotional context was quite different when dealing with Agent Danzig. The scene at the house put me in the mind of two spouses seeing Danzig off to work. Furthermore, Lee was recklessly passionate about finding Danzig's killer and understanding what had happened to him, much in the same way that Olivia was recklessly passionate about saving John Scott in the Fringe pilot.

[agora]

...However, Lincoln's emotional context was quite different when dealing with Agent Danzig. The scene at the house put me in the mind of two spouses seeing Danzig off to work. Furthermore, Lee was recklessly passionate about finding Danzig's killer and understanding what had happened to him, much in the same way that Olivia was recklessly passionate about saving John Scott in the Fringe pilot.

To be honest, although I think it did lack of the easy going vibe between the Scarlie and Lincoln from the other Fringe Division, Danzing remind me of Peter himself back when he and Lee met on this Universe.

If there's a hoyay vibe, I'm not seeing it.

Much like how it is on the other side with altLincoln liking altOlivia, even though she is with Frank.

I believe the other Lincoln is hopelessly in love with Olivia, this Lincoln didn't seem interested to me even the first time he met her (last season).

[epicpoetry]

I also picked up a gay vibe off of BlueLincoln. I think it came from the contrast of how impersonal and uncomfortable his dealings with Olivia were with how close and at home he seemed with Danzig. Like, the entire relationship could be read as BlueLincoln as this guy who had always been uptight and uncomfortable with who he was falling for this married straight man he could never have.

I don't actually think that this is what the writers have done here, but I think it would be really interesting if they did. Doesn't RedAstrid also have some kind of neurological difference (Asperger's) with her Blue counterpart?

[GreenPhoenix]

Just for the sake of arguing for the other side, Olivia was antagonistic against BlueLincoln and was confident that she was going to get him fired. Danzig, on the other hand, was Lincoln's partner for a while (I forgot the number, but I think it's in terms of years).

That being said, I definitely agree that there was a spouse-like vibe when Lincoln was rushing to get Danzig dressed.

Personally, I am rather skeptical of genetic differences between alt-universe counterparts (though I think someone mentioned that a producer confirmed the genetic difference between the Astrids). However, it is entirely possible for both Lincolns to be bisexual and lean towards different sexes based on their upbringing.

[Money Magnet]

To be quite honest, Fringe is one of the most sexless shows on the air.

Yes, maybe I include Peter and Olivia in that. :-)

I have trouble seeing any sort of sexual attraction between most of the characters. Except maybe Walter and Nina. So, I'm pretty blind to hoyay, or indeed any sort of yay, on Fringe.

[agora]

To be quite honest, Fringe is one of the most sexless shows on the air.

Generally speaking, I think the show is passionate more than sexual: the characters are passionate about science, family, their partners, each other, even their jobs sometimes.

Speaking about Lincoln in particular, I think he's more passionate about his job than he was about his partner (much like Olivia used to be before she met Peter over here). The main difference I see with the Lincoln over there, is that he rang more passionate about the other Olivia, Broyles & Charlie than he was about the job.

Edited by agora, Sep 25, 2011 @ 11:26 PM.

[epicpoetry]

I actually really enjoy the parallel between how BlueLincoln is different from RedLincoln in very much the same ways that Olivia is different from Fauxlivia. They're both much more reserved and emotionally isolated, like they've had something traumatic happen in their past that forced them to close themselves off. You can even see it in how they're dressed, in stuffy suits and shirts versus the more outdoorsy cargo pants and boots of the other Fringe team.

With Olivia, we knew she went through Cortexiphan trials as a child and that really screwed her up. It'll be interesting to see what our Lincoln went through that did the same to him.

[DixieGirl]

You can even see it in how they're dressed, in stuffy suits and shirts versus the more outdoorsy cargo pants and boots of the other Fringe team.

Could the fact that the Fringe team Over There is more militaristic than it is Over Here? Although I do like the comparison of clothes to attitude as well.

[agora]

Generally speaking, I think the show is passionate more than sexual: the characters are passionate about science, family, their partners, each other, even their jobs sometimes.

Speaking about Lincoln in particular, I think he's more passionate about his job than he was about his partner (much like Olivia used to be before she met Peter over here). The main difference I see with the Lincoln over there, is that he rang more passionate about the other Olivia, Broyles & Charlie than he was about the job.

I actually really enjoy the parallel between how BlueLincoln is different from RedLincoln in very much the same ways that Olivia is different from Fauxlivia. They're both much more reserved and emotionally isolated, like they've had something traumatic happen in their past that forced them to close themselves off. You can even see it in how they're dressed, in stuffy suits and shirts versus the more outdoorsy cargo pants and boots of the other Fringe team.

I agree they were able to make the differences "breathe" from one Lincoln to the other: Fauxlivia's fun curiosity about Lincoln over here, the less guarded team leader we met over there, the restraining clothes completely different to the Red Universe's clothing.

He seems to be the exact same man, yet completely different.

[anatolealice]

I believe the other Lincoln is hopelessly in love with Olivia, this Lincoln didn't seem interested to me even the first time he met her (last season).

I didn't see any vibe between this Lincoln and our Olivia, whereas I agree, the other Lincoln is hopelessly in love with Altlivia and she will never return his affections to the degree he desires.

Perhaps that's the parallel - Blue Lincoln was hopelessly in love with his partner but knew he would never return his affections to the same degree. It didn't need to be that he was lusting after him, it might have been the bond of the friendship that was more than he had with anyone else (I didn't pick up on any hoyay vibe either, but his reaction was very similar to Olivia's reaction to John Scott's death).

I don't see them putting Blue Lincoln and Olivia together. He doesn't strike me as remotely interested in her, whereas even when Peter was in his grumpy "sweetheart' stage, trying not to get sucked in to Olivia's crazy world, he was nonetheless IMO clearly in to her.

Red Lincoln is pretty much screwed. I don't see Altlivia ever really seeing what she means to him. Had she died, he'd have been stuck with the baby because he couldn't not keep that promise (she made no mention of her mother who is reasonably young and would've been perfectly capable of raising the baby). Blue Lincoln will probably keep in contact with his partner's family, but I doubt he'll be too tied up in their lives.

ETA It'll be interesting to see who Altlivia is with now that Peter doesn't exist.

Edited by anatolealice, Sep 28, 2011 @ 6:40 PM.

[DixieGirl]

I don't see them putting Blue Lincoln and Olivia together. He doesn't strike me as remotely interested in her, whereas even when Peter was in his grumpy "sweetheart' stage, trying not to get sucked in to Olivia's crazy world, he was nonetheless IMO clearly in to her.

Absolutely - and not that I'm advocating one way or another, but based on "Stowaway", wouldn't it be interesting if Blue Lincoln feels a bond with Peter when he returns, and Olivia does not... God knows, Peter's gonna need some friends and it's off-kilter just enough to be 'fringe-y'.

Or not. I'm just having a lot of fun seeing Seth Gabel creating a more dimensional (Blue) Lincoln.

[Meso]

I loved Blue! or Amber!Lincoln in last week's episode. I can't wait to see more of him, both before and after Peter comes back.

I wonder how much his personality will change if and when the timeline with Peter existing is restored. Even though he didn't have a close relationship with Peter, I imagine the changed circumstances would still have some effect.

In Stowaway, I thought there were some hoyay vibes between Peter and BlueLincoln. While Peter was All about Olivia, on Lincoln's side there seemed to be an ease and comfort in working with Peter. In 4.01, Lincoln's relationship with Robert Danzig is a bit more than just a partner. At Robert's home, the way he interacted with Robert vs. his wife, suggests Lincoln may be bisexual/gay. I am interested in what could happen when Peter comes back, if Lincoln has become integrated into the team by then, especially with Walter. In the pilot, Olivia had lost her partner/lover when Peter came into her life. Will wait to see how Lincoln's situation works out.

but based on "Stowaway", wouldn't it be interesting if Blue Lincoln feels a bond with Peter when he returns, and Olivia does not...

I think it could be more an attraction on Lincoln's part, but a confusion on Olivia's. It certainly would be nice for Peter to have an easy-going friendship with Lincoln, while he's trying to connect with father and wife from a different timeline!

[agora]

At Robert's home, the way he interacted with Robert vs. his wife, suggests Lincoln may be bisexual/gay.

To be honest, it kinda reminded me of the way Red Lincoln interacted with the AltCharlie and AltOlivia last season, the Danzings struck me - much like the AltFringe Divion - as his home away from home.

Edited by agora, Sep 29, 2011 @ 7:00 PM.

[Trini Girl]

the Danzings struck me - much like the AltFringe Divion - as his home away from home.

Yeah, I don't think he's gay at all. Lincoln said he was like family to him; "something he thought [he'd] never find." Maybe he's an orphan? Only child? Screwed up childhood?

[DixieGirl]

I may be confusing fan fic with canon... wasn't the deal that he came from a fairly well off, influential family?

I dunno, but I'm liking nerdy Lincoln more all the time. Seth is doing a great job with him... and I kinda liked Red Lincoln too, he grew on me in an annoying kind of way. I think he's a nerd deep down, too... just with a cooler haircut.

[agora]

I may be confusing fan fic with canon... wasn't the deal that he came from a fairly well off, influential family?

I think only the Lincoln over there did so, if the parents of the Lincoln over here were indeed killed and/or died before they would reach any kind of influence, that should explain not only what the Lincoln over here said but also his position at the bottom of the totem pole (instead of team leader like in the Red Universe).

Edited by agora, Sep 29, 2011 @ 8:49 PM.

[GreenPhoenix]

I may be confusing fan fic with canon... wasn't the deal that he came from a fairly well off, influential family?

I think only the Lincoln over there did so

RedLincoln's dad was a judge that the Secretary of Defense seemed to respect (or at least pretended to respect) - "Good man, fine jurist." Nothing about BlueLincoln's parents yet.

Edited by GreenPhoenix, Sep 29, 2011 @ 9:31 PM.