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Prime Suspect (2011): Jane Timoney? Really?


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Posted Feb 12, 2012 @ 2:30 PM

I blame NBC for the cancellation. They barely had the show started and then they show the same two or three episodes all week long -- in the same moment they "forget" to tell us when new episodes will air.

They grossly mismanaged this diamond in the rough.

Really wish CBS would pick it up. They know how to treat a drama.

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Posted Feb 13, 2012 @ 5:30 AM

Is it official? The cancellation that is?
Too bad if so. We're on episode 7 here in Sweden. The ratings are okay. It has a good day and time slot. I agree the first episode or so wasn't all that great but I love Maria Bello so it was def something I would continue watching anyways and it's grown every week. Sorry to see it go so soon.

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Posted Feb 24, 2012 @ 4:18 PM

If it makes anyone feel better, Grimm is not even hitting a 1.0 in the demographic. Prime Suspect was getting over a 2.0 for it's new episodes (when they let us know there were new episodes.) I have no idea what happened to the Firm, but Grimm does not seem to be an improvement in the timeslot either.

Are Maria Bello and Kirk Avecedo still available? Is there any glimmer out there of hope?

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Posted Feb 24, 2012 @ 4:26 PM

Are Maria Bello and Kirk Avecedo still available? Is there any glimmer out there of hope?

Given that Brian F. O'Byrne was recently cast in a pilot, I'd say no. NBC pulled The Firm, but Awake is going to take over Prime Suspect's slot starting next week.

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Posted Feb 24, 2012 @ 5:49 PM

Grimm is not even hitting a 1.0 in the demographic.

It was a repeat and for a repeat it did better than the last new airings of Prime Suspect, in reverse chronological order 0.7 and 0.8.

Considering that it was Sunday, lets compare with the episodes of Prime suspect on Thursday, also in reverse order 1.0, 0.9, 1.3, 1.1, 1.3, 1.1, 1.3, 1.2, 1.1, 1.3, 1.5, 1.8. A repeat of Grimm, that comes for free for the network, does half the ratings of the highest rated episode of Prime Suspect, and even manages to match the ratings of a new Prime Suspect in the same time slot.

If anything the 0.9, for a repeat, just cemented the death of Prime Suspect.

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Posted Feb 24, 2012 @ 7:02 PM

I loved PS, and I miss it a lot. But Grimm is normally shown on Fridays, and it's doing well enough that TV By The Numbers considers it a certain renewal. I think PS was canceled long before the Grimm experiment with the Thursday 10pm timeslot. They've tried a lot of things at that time, and I haven't heard any rumors that they were considering PS returning might be one of them.

It's sad. I loved the show. But I don't think it's really about Grimm vs PS.

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Posted Feb 24, 2012 @ 7:49 PM

It's sad. I loved the show. But I don't think it's really about Grimm vs PS.

Agreed. I'm just glad that NBC is having an awful time finding anything that will stick. I miss Prime Suspect a lot.

I doubt that we will see Maria Bello on the small screen again, but maybe they can find a role somewhere for Kirk Avecedo...where he would smile...a lot.

Edited by whiteshirtrocks, Feb 24, 2012 @ 7:51 PM.


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Posted Feb 25, 2012 @ 10:42 AM

I think PS was canceled long before the Grimm experiment with the Thursday 10pm timeslot.

It was never a competition between the 2. We all know that stupid hat killed PS long before the Grimm experiment. Just clarifying the numbers perspective.

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Posted Feb 28, 2012 @ 7:06 AM

It seems to me that NBC never wanted the series to succeed. It was treated like a unwanted bastard child from the get go. NBC has Robert Greenblatt at the helm and he is usually a strong supporter of shows that have strong female leads (of at least he was while he was at Showtime). Wonder what happened in the case of PS. This show had such promise but it seemed like NBC did everything to discourage viewership.

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Posted Feb 28, 2012 @ 7:52 AM

Really? I kept seeing ads and repeat viewings, trying to get people to watch... The problem was, the ads were awful and non-representative.

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Posted Feb 28, 2012 @ 1:20 PM

I thought the promoted the hell out of it, including many repeats-- more than higher rated shows were getting. I think they actually invested very heavily. I am extremely disappointed that we've lost this show, and I do wonder if better ads and maybe actors on the talk show circuit showing clips might have helped. But I don't think they weren't trying.

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Posted Feb 28, 2012 @ 1:50 PM

Saturating the schedule with repeats was a very, very bad idea no matter what the show is.

I think they should have scheduled this show originally for Friday (which is a good night to start building an audience) and then moved it to Thursday next year.

I haven't been this upset about losing a show in a long time. This is not the first show that NBC has thrown down the tubes. I won't be investing my time watching NBC anymore.

Just rewatched the episode where Auggie has to watch hours and hours of porn, and Duffy covers for Jane. This show is so good.

Still hoping CBS might want to pick it up -- they could replace the very forgettable Unforgettable.

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Posted Feb 28, 2012 @ 2:04 PM

Saturating the schedule with repeats was a very, very bad idea no matter what the show is.


I don't know I thought the idea, gives people a chance to jump on to a show if they might have missed the first few episodes.

I think promoting this show was tough. I mean Maria Bello is a pretty big star compared to the rest of the cast, so I guess there thinking was promote the hell out of the big star. But the show really was a bit more of an ensemble.

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Posted Feb 28, 2012 @ 10:17 PM

I think they put it on Thursday because that's the best timeslot of the week. It's the most watched time, and their most popular night.

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 5:12 AM

I think they put it on Thursday because that's the best timeslot of the week. It's the most watched time, and their most popular night.

All true. When PS premiered, NBC only had one slot offering a half-decent lead-in, and PS got that slot. So no blaming it on NBC on not giving it a chance. It's not like the 10pm competition is that tough either. Neither The Mentalist nor Private Practice are must see TV, and both are ripe to be rattled by a contender. This was, on paper, that perfect contender. A procedural, that could pick up people from The Mentalist. It had female lead, to could court the, mostly female, viewers of Private Practice.

Something didn't gel in the show, and it just failed to catch the viewers it was targeting. If we add all the different little things that each one of us found irksome about the show and imagine that the average viewer was irked by most of them at the same time, we might get an idea of why it failed.

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 11:21 AM

If we add all the different little things that each one of us found irksome about the show and imagine that the average viewer was irked by most of them at the same time, we might get an idea of why it failed.

I also think they made a mistake with the name. For every viewer of the original that the name attracted, there was potential viewer too skeptical to give it a shot because they don't think that any American drama can match the original. Setting up a new show to be compared to a critically acclaimed, successful drama starring Helen Mirren is... ambitious. There really wasn't a lot of wiggle room for imperfection and the show was imperfect. Especially in the first few episodes when they didn't make the negative response to Jane at all reasonable, but the audience hadn't had a chance to identify with or root for her. It came off as OTT sexism, which was believable when the original "Prime Suspect" aired, but made the premise of the new show seem dated.

They fixed that, IMO, by the third episode and definitely by the final episode, but the show was partly crushed under the weight of the expectations that came with the name.

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 11:47 AM

I also think they made a mistake with the name. For every viewer of the original that the name attracted, there was potential viewer too skeptical to give it a shot because they don't think that any American drama can match the original.


How many people in the US had seen or are familiar with the original though? I mean I think the first time I heard about UK Prime Suspect was a few years ago when it picked up all those mini-series emmy's. And I am a pretty big TV watcher and I still have never seen it.

It came off as OTT sexism, which was believable when the original "Prime Suspect" aired, but made the premise of the new show seem dated.


The funny thing was that within a few episodes they kind of revealed that it wasn't just straight over the top sexism. I mean Duffy didn't look down on Jane just because she was a woman, it was because she was a woman who was in what appeared to be a pretty public relationship with one of the bosses (which is why he thought she got the promotion). Especially since the guy she was in the relationship with seemed super sleazy.

Edited by Kel Varnsen, Feb 29, 2012 @ 11:47 AM.


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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 12:16 PM

I also think they made a mistake with the name. For every viewer of the original that the name attracted, there was potential viewer too skeptical to give it a shot because they don't think that any American drama can match the original. Setting up a new show to be compared to a critically acclaimed, successful drama starring Helen Mirren is... ambitious. There really wasn't a lot of wiggle room for imperfection and the show was imperfect. Especially in the first few episodes when they didn't make the negative response to Jane at all reasonable, but the audience hadn't had a chance to identify with or root for her. It came off as OTT sexism, which was believable when the original "Prime Suspect" aired, but made the premise of the new show seem dated.


All this. The show was given NBC's historically premiere time slot. And it got a big ad campaign. The problem was after stealing the name in the ad's we got a cop flashing a gun because a cabbie was smoking. Then the sexism of a female being a homicide detective, after 15 years of Lieutenant Van Buran running the homicide squad on L&O and 25 years after Cagney and Lacey. Then the hat...they stole Kojak's look and grafted it to Helen Mirren's show name. They did to the few or many Prime Suspect fan base what Stargate Universe did to Stargate fans. With both shows given a different name they may be producing another 20 something episodes.

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 1:52 PM

I wondered if the fact that the ad campaign had to do with her stopping a cabbie from smoking turned off the 20% of people who smoke. If the main character is already triggering resentment of one out of every 5 of potential viewers....

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 8:28 PM

I wondered if the fact that the ad campaign had to do with her stopping a cabbie from smoking turned off the 20% of people who smoke. If the main character is already triggering resentment of one out of every 5 of potential viewers...


Then I guess there are a lot of shows and movies that smokers are missing out on. ;)

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 9:27 PM

I was smart enough to keep 6 of the episodes on dvr. Wish I would have dvr'd the whole season because I don't have faith that NBC will put out a season 1 dvd.

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 9:37 PM

Do other shows make anti-smoking a cornerstone of their ad campaign?

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 9:54 PM

Do other shows make anti-smoking a cornerstone of their ad campaign?


But was it really? I thought it was anti-douchebaggery if anything. Jane was a smoker who asked another smoker to follow the same rules she has too. I know plenty of smokers that are irritated by the same thing.

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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 9:59 PM

A cop flashing her gun like that is douchbaggery. I know that I posted something to that effect on the real Prime Suspect thread before this one was started.

Edited by taiko, Feb 29, 2012 @ 9:59 PM.


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Posted Feb 29, 2012 @ 10:35 PM

A cop flashing her gun like that is douchbaggery. I know that I posted something to that effect on the real Prime Suspect thread before this one was started.


I don't think we were suppose to see Jane's response as reasonable. As I recall the criticism at the time was that Jane either appeared too high strung in that commercial or too "quirky" but douchie is another opinion. Either way, my point is I'm not taking away that the commercials biggest issue was that it ostracized smokers from the show.

Edited by quentin312002, Feb 29, 2012 @ 10:37 PM.


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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 12:22 PM

Seems NBC can't find anything to gather ratings on Thursday at 10:00. Awake, which was heavily promoted, only garnered 1.9 for it's premier.

Well, I guess I'll just have to wait and hope that another show picks up Kirk Avecedo. I really miss Alvarez and Auggie. I still laugh when I think about the scene where they are trying to get information from the drug dealer in the night club.