kikismom, you said in your post you'd want to lower a boat down into the river- how is anyone going to lower a boat into a river 876 ft below? I'm just not really seeing this, especially this particular bridge, as a viable option. Not to mention, all bridges are likely to be crammed full of cars in the initial breakdown of society, meaning they'd need to be cleared. Rivers are definitely a good idea. Wonder if there's anywhere to get one of those big old-timey casino steamship boats! Boats would be perfect; zombie-proof at night, reasonably fast escape from marauders any time!
The Zombie Apocalypse For Dummies: Survival Suggestions
Posted Mar 8, 2014 @ 7:40 PM
Right! I need to lay off the moonshine--- that is an awfully high bridge! No diving! But if you like, in Wheeling WV they have the sternwheelers at the riverside; old-timey steam powered boats with the wheel in the back, not the side. That's the good news...the bad news is you have to get the "quiet" ones; they have some that are musical and have steam powered calliopes (which would be awful to try and elude zombies or marauders while blaring show tunes).Maybe they'd have enough surface area on deck and on the "roof" to grow some kitchen garden type produce.. Also, I've seen an RV called a Sealander, where the back "camper" section turns into a boat. That would give you some options. Lakes or rivers are less prone to the kind of storms you get at sea, and at least you could purify freshwater; saltwater has to be desalinated and purified. Mountains have game animals and birds, nuts and some edible plants,sometimes fish. Pretty soon the canned and dry food is going to run out, and it's going to be garden, fish, or hunt the few remaining animals that walkers haven't eaten. Maybe an airboat-could you use solar to recharge the battery.?..noisy, but fast.
Posted Mar 10, 2014 @ 1:36 AM
Posted Mar 10, 2014 @ 3:50 PM
Goats. They can eat anything and, in addition to meat can be used for milk and cheese. As for dogs, they would make a good early warning system.and if you can get a pack going, good zombie hunters.
Posted Mar 12, 2014 @ 9:46 PM
If you come upon a house that is clearly inhabited, don't make yourself at home. Get rid of any evidence you were in the house. Find a place to hide that lets you keep the house in view to monitor who lives there to identify their numbers and whether or not they are safe to approach.
Always check who's at the door before opening it. This is true even without a zombie apocalypse.
Posted Mar 12, 2014 @ 9:59 PM
Distracted or not, Daryl had the misfortune of running into a whole group of those zombies who don't make any noise until you see them.
Posted Mar 12, 2014 @ 10:42 PM
If you see a smallish group that is male only, run. Groups with men, women and children are a much safer bet. More trouble certainly, but less likely to choke you out for the bigger bed. Or for fun.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 2:06 AM
Last night was the first time in the entire series that I thought, "Holy crap! They're actually fighting intelligently!" When Maggie and Sasha went back-to-back and both of them were using weapons with some reach and power, I stood up and cheered.
It was a pearl in a sea of empty oysters...but still. I'm choked up about it.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 9:04 AM
Irishmaple...I agreed, and then I was looking at the episode where Daryl "confronts" Randall, and Randall tells about the people he was with--"About 30, not just men, women, and children too. One night we went scavenging, just the men..." and he proceeds to tell about the gang raping the 2 young daughters of a man they beat and then made him watch. It's unnerving to realize that even a group with women and children might not necessarily be more civilized, or safer to join up with. I'd almost say that one or two women on their own, like Maggie and Sasha without Bob, might have to wait till they see a female only group. Except that's no guarantee...might be an older version of Lizzie around, and think about that Irishwoman that Rick followed to her camp. Even having Bob along isn't a lot of help; those girl victims were with their dad, who was outnumbered. That's why the Always Keep Moving strategy might appeal to men; but for female survivors, staying in a hideout and using your energy to secure it could be a better choice.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 9:13 AM
At least until the next group of those guys comes around, looking for a place to crash.
Safety in numbers is the best strategy, for men or women. Find a group of capable people you can trust and whatever you do, don't let them out of your sight.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 12:08 PM
KirkB-- as far as "the next group of those guys" coming around looking for a place to crash, I addressed some of the points about a hide-out in my most recent two posts in a discussion on the Moralityetc.. thread. No hide-out, for men, women or children can be as something so obvious as to be found by marauders looking for a place to crash, raid for supplies--or whatever reason...and I felt that is a major problem with our group so far. They always find a place, whether for one night or for weeks, then practically light up a neon sign that it is occupied. Even Daryl stringing up the early warning device at the funeral home; the point isn't just to have a device, but to put the damn thing where it isn't visible, tipping off anybody that someone is inside and it obviously wouldn't be walkers to do rig an alarm. The prison could have worked if the Gov.'s people hadn't been so easily able to see that a place they had passed on as "un-clearable" (not a real word, I know) had apparently been cleared and occupied. I wonder at what point they will ever learn to stop drawing attention to themselves.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 2:29 PM
You're right, in that obvious signs of habitation is a beacon for anyone looking to take the supplies, bodies or lives of whoever is inside, and that it is never a good idea to draw attention to yourself in that world. But, keeping a low profile so it doesn't look like anyone is there won't necessarily keep people out. They might see what is apparently an unoccupied but potentially defendable location (the very same reason your group is already there) and come in, thus running the risk of a fight where the only advantage the occupants have is the element of surprise.
Edited by KirkB, Mar 13, 2014 @ 2:31 PM.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 3:08 PM
The problem is there are two different threats. The big, ole hubcap trip wire system works great for Walkers. Those idiots will walk right into it. But yea, you're basically throwing out the welcome mat for marauders and other undesirables. So you really have to find a balance when putting up your defenses. Something that works for BOTH.
OR.....Be like Morgan and make your defenses so over-the-top and crazy no one will want to fuck with you. If I just stumbled upon his setup, I would have thought there was a gang of dozens living in that town.
Edited by ghoulina, Mar 13, 2014 @ 3:09 PM.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 3:52 PM
For people, I'd post clear signs - move past this line uninvited and you're dead. If a group decides to test it, shoot a couple and see if they're really that interested in your stuff.
For zombies and people, I'd use concertina/razor wire, pits and punji sticks. Works well if people try to sneak in at night.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 3:57 PM
You would think more people would try to do what Sasha does. Find buildings that have a lot of stairs, since most zombies can't climb up.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 6:23 PM
I think most zombies can climb, I just think if you block the stairs you make it really hard for zombies and people. For walkers it's basically just crawling, to climb stairs. Most aren't going to walk up them like normal humans but I'd think they could crawl up them.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 7:23 PM
I learned from The Zombie Survival Guide to destroy the steps between the ground floor and the upper ones, and use a rope ladder for getting up and down. That should slow them down.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 8:20 PM
Irishmaple...yeah, it sounded good in the book, but one thing Max Brooks forgot (I think he suggested destroying stairs in World War Z also) is that in many buildings, the stairs are part of the load-bearing support structure between floors. I suppose you could rig it somehow to replace that, but it becomes an awful lot of work (noisy work!). I'd still like the idea of a higher floor, and sabotage/booby-trap the stairs another way. A problem with staying on the move is that people get little sleep, and that's more important than it seems. You could only keep fighting and running and hiking for so many days on a few hours of tense rest before having physical and mental breakdown, and you can only have food water meds weapons that you can carry on your body 24 hrs a day if necessary---which puts people on the move at huge disadvantage. I'm still with you and those who would make a well fortified sanctuary, so (KirkB) they couldn't come in for a fight and if you're on the road they are going to fight you anyway. At least in a building, you'd have a brick wall which is better than nothing.
Edited by kikismom, Mar 13, 2014 @ 8:22 PM.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 9:34 PM
I'm also going to make sure I thoroughly sabotage any tanks in the area! I'd hate to go to all the trouble of fortifying a solid building only to have some nutjob blast a hole in it.
Posted Mar 13, 2014 @ 9:36 PM
Sabotage, hell. Move INTO the tank. You have the best of both worlds. Mobility and protection. I'm kidding, of course, but damn that would make even Daryl's crossbow and Michonne's sword look puny by comparison.
Posted Mar 14, 2014 @ 6:27 AM
KirkB...lol you just made me get a mental-meme in my head of Rick in the tank with his hands over his ears and his eyes rolling as Beth's singing comes over the radio.
I think if I was on the road, I would devise a flat-sided cover that unfolds like a box and can be placed over a car or in an alley or wherever, to make it look like a garbage dumpster. Everyone living or undead would walk or drive right by it, and if anyone saw it with binoculars they wouldn't bother to keep watching it. You could be inside safe, even take a nap. Use crappy green metallic paint--should be some left on the shelves--and stencil some logo, put stains and graffiti, superglue some crappy (lightweight) debris in what looks like the "opening" of an over-stuffed bin area. Have it hinged or duct-taped so you could fold it up and take it till you need another hideout. Cool too if someone was chasing you through town and they come around a corner and suddenly you're gone, nothing but normal useless stuff behind a store, some empty buckets, clapped-out cars....a dumpster...
Posted Today, 02:10 PM
Survival tip from ep 4.14: In the zombie apocalypse, when life imprisonment for the criminally insane is no longer an option, you had best be prepared to carry out the death sentence as quickly and cleanly as you can. Mad survival props to both Carol and Tyrese for realizing and accepting what had to be done to Lizzie so fast, and bonus points to Carol for old-yeller-ing that crazy kid without flinching. Carol's ruthless practicality combined with her nurturing behaviour makes her one of the leading candidates for most likely to survive to the end of the series. (And if had told me in season one or two that I would ever think that about Carol, I'd have called you a liar and farted in your general direction.)