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Posted Jun 13, 2012 @ 6:58 PM

Wait, how did the comic resolve how Buffy thought she was pregnant, if Buffy consciousness was in a robot? Didn't she take pregnancy tests? So how did she get positive results? I'm sorry, in the whole bwhahaha about Buffy robot, I missed that part.

And congrats to MidnightFrost on getting your letter published. It was an excellent letter, so good job.

Speaking of replacement Scoobies. So Willow is going off on her own, and evidently getting her own book for a bit while doing so, so makes sense she won't be around for a while. Okay. But why not more Xander? And I'm saying this who has at times not liked Xander. But even I think the character was one of the few that grew in the course of the TV series and comics, and he's certainly earned his place with Buffy the character, and in the Buffy world. So granted he isn't as popular as Spike, or evidently Willow, but the character has a definite place and voice that could be beneficial to the Buffyverse. And I can't believe I'm advocating for more Xander.

I blame Joss.
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Posted Jun 13, 2012 @ 11:31 PM

Wait, how did the comic resolve how Buffy thought she was pregnant, if Buffy consciousness was in a robot?


There was some handwaving along the lines of the "PH balance" being wrong. The words "what were they thinking?" come to mind.

I am okay with Xander not being involved in the fighting much but him not being used as emotional support for Buffy is silly. It's like they are afraid they might reveal Xander's big secret too soon. The secret will probably be something not so important anyway.

All in all S9 is kind of like S6, only with less naked Spike but with even duller plots.

Edited by Jack Shaftoe, Jun 13, 2012 @ 11:32 PM.

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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 2:35 AM

There was some handwaving along the lines of the "PH balance" being wrong

Robots have PH imbalances? Is that like the oil needing to be changed periodically? Or what happens when you don't get a tune-up every five thousand miles?

Oh wait, that's right. It never needed to make sense, just be a way to shock! and awe! with a so-called abortion storyline. Then to totally duck actually dealing with the actual issue (after all the publicity) by making it go away in a totally illogical and cliche way.

The words "what were they thinking?" come to mind.

or increased circulation/more money, also comes to mind. Exploitation, also is a word that springs to my mind. But maybe that's just me on that one.

It's like they are afraid they might reveal Xander's big secret too soon. The secret will probably be something not so important anyway.

Well it can't be that he too is a robot? I mean, not even they could do that, right? But yeah, I'm sure it will either be a.) lame b.) character destroying c.) both a and b. But that's just my feeling after the last two seasons of the show and the last comic series.

All in all S9 is kind of like S6, only with less naked Spike but with even duller plots.

So like season 7 of the show, than. But seriously, I don't know why the writers felt that they needed to careen from too wild and fantastical in S8, to too dull, but now with lots more Spike! in S9. Well other than that they're hacks, of course. At least in my view.

Edited by WedgeOfSpite, Jun 15, 2012 @ 12:08 AM.

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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 8:56 AM

too wild and fantastical in S8, to too dull, but now with lots more Spike! in S9.


This should be the summary on the inside cover of the future comic books.
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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 6:20 PM

Too bad the issue was boring as something really boring.


Boring McBoring indeed. Andrew is her new posse? Yeesh. But look at the cover and you can see some of my complaints (and perhaps others) in her "circle of worry".

At least Spike is taking off for a tad.

I can't wait until the next A&F --
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Edited by SueB, Jun 14, 2012 @ 6:20 PM.

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Posted Jun 19, 2012 @ 10:08 AM

I hate to double post but since no one picked this up, there's a Slayalive Q&A with Scott Allie

I'm anticipating 3 pages of cool Xander material in the last 10 issues based on this underwhelming interview (spoiler-ish). No Scott, I'm not satisfied.
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Posted Jun 27, 2012 @ 8:00 AM

Spoilers for Angel & Faith Issue #11 (out today)... read at your own risk....


SO SUPERIOR. That's my first thought. While Buffy's story is all isolation, robots, and not-pregnancy, the A&F series is bringing the band back together.

Stuff I loved:
- Willow's fight with Angel. Truth on all accounts. I'm not sure I'm 100% with Willow's motives but Connor seemed to back her up later that there is a problem. I just think it makes it easier for Willow to go after what she wants.
- Willow NOT telling Angel about Buffy's business. I think she gets to hold a grudge and Buffy wouldn't want her too. So it's an oblique Buffy-supportive moment.
- "Are you wearing a hoodie?" While Angel angsts (again) about messing up Connor's life, Connor's first response is out of the Whedon handbook - talk about the fashion. I loved that reunion moment.
- Back at the Hyperion. I presume it's because that's the last place the tear in reality to Quortoth was but it was nice to see.
-Continuity porn. THIS seems like a continuation of the Angel story more than Buffy seems like a continuation of the Buffy story. The mood is right. The players are right.
- Angel, Faith, Willow and Connor (mostly) are spot on in terms of character. Angel is all reasonable and then immediately tries to control the situation (and Connor) as soon as he decides it's too dangerous. And Connor is nice until Angel tries to alpha-male and then Connor shows a wee bit of inner asshole himself ("Letting me? I'm not asking permission). It's probably best these two are not living in the same city but Angel really should talk to him more often.
- "Status" on Ilyria, Nina, Lorne (*sob* implied) and Kate. Kate! Yes please keep her involved in the universe. I loved her character. Nina, not so much.
- Mention of Holtz! (Clearly I'm a sucker for continuity porn).
- Faith & Angel friendship. They give each other shit and have each other's back. I really really like that dynamic. Angel being an ass about her father to get her to back off -- SPOT ON.

Stuff I liked:
- Connor has a normal girlfriend. I was afraid they'd go into some angst-machinations about Connor and procreation resulting in god-like creatures. I'm personally happy to skip that rehash.
- Connor being okay with Angel being an ass. Seems like he's used to it but he also gave him crap about making him feel rejected and told him to knock it off.


Stuff I'm on the fence about:
- Gunn being on Team Angel (still) is great. Gunn wearing a jacket and acting like he's a detective? I guess that's a natural extension but I want to know about Anne & the baby. Did that happen? And did I mention I'm a wee weird-ed out about the potential detective thing? Gunn's been a leader of slayer gang, a huge part of Angel Investigations, can probably still sing his lawyerly "Pirates of Pinzance" bit (meaning he's retained the lawyer knowledge), been a vampire and slaughtered hundreds, and now....he's a gumshoe? I don't know if I like this back-seat Gunn. Maybe if he gets to open a can of whoop-ass on something I'll feel better.
- Connor going to school to be a social worker. Why did he give up Angel investigations? I get that Connor made a decision to "help people" but I'm just going to fan-wank Angel investigations was no longer viable once Angel was outed at Twilight (too much hostility to the family).
- The whole "aunties" subplot and running to see Nadira. Not in love with those plot points yet.
- Connor looks nothing like the 1960's advertising guy. S'okay. They sort of bulked him up in IDW so that's fine but they could have worked the face a bit (the nose & lips aren't right). Still, we'll see if more asshole/drywit Connor is around and what other artist do. If he's too "nice", I'm going to declare foul on the play.

Stuff that I'm bummed about:
- No mention of Anne & the baby. No mention of Laura. Did these events happen? Since Kate is around and Nina is mentioned, I think "After the Fall" happened but how much after that? Now personally, I don't want glowy-Connor (which is directly related to Anne's baby) but I kinda want to know if any of the post-Hyperion arc happened or does Connor still stay at the Hyperion? Since Laura was an IDW character I can see nothing about her but Anne was Whedon's first.
- No mention of Connor's past issues with magic? Okay, I get that he recognizes something bad is happening, but he could at least say something along the lines of how difficult it is to admit they apparently need magic.


Bottom line: So far the conflicts and characters have been meaty and on-target. And I'm with Angel, I can't wait to see Quor'toth.

Edited by SueB, Jun 27, 2012 @ 8:09 AM.

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Posted Jun 27, 2012 @ 11:58 AM

SueB, I agree with most of what you wrote. This is my favorite issue of A&F so far. Continuity porn, indeed! Having Angel, Faith, and Willow all calling each other on their shit is just fantastic. And the big irony for me...IMO, Faith might actually be the least deserving of getting called out right now. Who'd have thunk it? Willow couldn't have been more on the nose about the "running blindly down any road that might lead to redemption" bit. And Angel and Faith were absolutely right to question Willow's motives. Are they to believe that she threw a tantrum and then broke down sobbing because she's so very upset for "the world"? Yeah, sure, ok. [/sarcasm] Also loved Willow's "I have a Jewish mother" line and the fact that Faith was being passive-aggressive (when did that start?). How interesting will it be if Faith ends up playing the "reasonable" one in the middle trying to gauge whether or not Angel and/or Willow has gone off the deep end (again)? It looks to me as if that's what they're setting up, and I'm excited to see how it goes.

I'm confused about some things, however, I guess because I never read the IDW comics. Should I? I know TPTB have said that they're canon, but I was wary of getting them for fear there'd just be a lot of storylines left hanging (perhaps a bit less so after this issue). Also, did we ever see Nadira interacting with Willow before? I don't remember it, but maybe I've forgotten.
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Posted Jun 27, 2012 @ 5:11 PM

I'm confused about some things, however, I guess because I never read the IDW comics. Should I? I know TPTB have said that they're canon, but I was wary of getting them for fear there'd just be a lot of storylines left hanging (perhaps a bit less so after this issue).


I think "Angel After the Fall" (ATF) is pretty good and "cannon" I believe. Is it ESSENTIAL to read? No. But it explains how Angel and Connor have become close. The Gunn of this A&F, however, right after ATF is a bit of a WHUT? But time heals everything so you can fanwank it's been years. The other mention is Lorne. His was a special conclusion AFTER ATF and a tribute to Andy Hallett (the actor died). For the purposes of this story, Lorne is gone forever but appears aware of what's happening on earth. The rest of the Angel comics are less likely "cannon" IMO although Gunn and Angel are working together so the Gunn reunion makes more sense.

Also loved Willow's "I have a Jewish mother" line and the fact that Faith was being passive-aggressive (when did that start?). How interesting will it be if Faith ends up playing the "reasonable" one in the middle trying to gauge whether or not Angel and/or Willow has gone off the deep end (again)? It looks to me as if that's what they're setting up, and I'm excited to see how it goes.

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YES! I love this dynamic.


I read the comic a second time today and am even MORE excited if that's possible.
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Posted Jun 29, 2012 @ 1:26 AM

So ... all a vampire needs to avoid exploding in sunlight is a hoodie and a baseball hat? So why doesn't EVERY vampire wear a coat and hat, just in case they need to go out during the day?
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Posted Jun 29, 2012 @ 8:12 PM

A hoodie and a hat is pretty conservative compared to Angel the Series where anything more than a light jacket was sufficient to grab on his way out the door.
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Posted Jul 5, 2012 @ 2:08 PM

I didn't like the issue much. Too many retcons. Angel planned to save "everyone" but Buffy didn't give him time to mention that back in S8? Total retcon or a pointless lie, make your choice.

- "Magic items are like batteries" - since when? They do love their retcons, don't they?
- Why didn't Willow tell Buffy about the supposedly dying world?.Moreoever, it's ridiculous that this is the first time we hear about no creativity, more suicides and the rest. And someone needs to ask "What about no magical apocalypses? Doesn't that outweigh the rest?"
- Willow healed Nadira? What happened to magic not being suitable for complicated healing? Remember Joyce?
- Damn, the preview wasn't a fluke. Isaacs' rendition of Willow is indeed freaking ugly.
- I didn't read AtF, so can someone explain why Gunn isn't, you know, dead?
- Gunn's car has those stupid special anti-sunlight windows? Why exactly? He is friends with other vampires?
- Angel is such a jerk that he makes me like Faith because at least she isn't as horrible as him. Faith! "Don't give me parenting advice". Whatever, Mr. Know It All.
- I would love Connor to be told about Twangel.
- Just what is Willow's plan to restore magic? She will go to some other dimension where she can be Super Willow and then what? Create Seed 2.0? Will Twilight be lurking somewhere out there or they retconned it too?

Edited by Jack Shaftoe, Jul 5, 2012 @ 2:08 PM.

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Posted Jul 5, 2012 @ 4:56 PM

- I didn't read AtF, so can someone explain why Gunn isn't, you know, dead?


In AtF, W&H send LA to hell shortly after the alley battle starts. Gunn is turned into a vampire while Angel is fighting the dragon - actually convincing the dragon to switch sides. Gunn is angry at Angel because he thinks Angel was off playing hero and forgot about him. Gunn gets visions (from W&H but he thinks PTB) and tries to be a hero while being a vamp. But he's not, he does some heroic things and then turns around and gets really vicious as a vamp. Angel, in the meantime, was turned into a HUMAN and gets injured easily. When Angel rejects Gunn's visions, Gunn stabs Angel mortally. Connor (who did not make it out of LA and was in fact saving humans and sheltering them with Spike's help!) drop kicks Gunn out of a window and tries to help Angel. Illyria, who is having trouble with both time-slips and not turning back into Fred from time to time, comes across injured Gunn and he stabs her. He takes her to this gross altar thing the visions told him to make to heal her and turn her into her full demon state. W&H intervene (because they want to keep Angel alive for the future apocalypse), toss Ilyria to the side and stick Angel on the altar. Angel is healed but Ilyria turns into a giant beetle-like demon-ancient-god-thing anyway and has decided that world and time should end. Angel and company start to try to stop her when Gunn jumps up and stabs Connor with a flaming sword. Angel freaks as Connor dies (good Father/Son death scene). He then realizes that if W&H can't heal him they will have to do a time-reset (it's complicated...go with it). So Angel goads Gunn in to DECAPITATING him. W&H reset time to the last minute before Angel sending LA to hell. Gunn is still alive but dying (and not yet turned). They rush Gunn to the hospital and he's in a coma but healing. Everyone is alive but all the residents of LA remember their year in hell and that Angel saved them. Angel goes back to running AI.

Short version: At the end of ATF, Angel tricks the vamp Gunn into beheading him, forcing W&H to reset to just before they sent LA to hell (which they did right after the alley battle starts at the end of Not Fade Away). Everyone is alive (but human Gunn is seriously injured and in hospital) and everyone remembers the events in Hell.


I've done a hash job of explaining the end of ATF but I encourage everyone to give it a read. It really was well done.

Edited by SueB, Jul 5, 2012 @ 4:57 PM.

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Posted Jul 5, 2012 @ 8:39 PM

Jack Shaftoe: - Damn, the preview wasn't a fluke. Isaacs' rendition of Willow is indeed freaking ugly.

Isaacs' rendition is a little harsher than I'd prefer (I think her style is best suited to Angel's more angular features), but I still like it much better than Jeanty's childish, cartoonish style.
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Posted Jul 11, 2012 @ 1:38 PM

Why are the A&F comics so much better than the Buffy comics? This is, of course, only my opinion. But after reading A&F #11 I'm jazzed and can't wait for the next issue. After reading Buffy S9#11 I'm hoping there is a better big picture at work than another stab at trying on a new life. I do think it's good for Buffy to try the bodyguard routine. She needs to know if there is an alternative to the minimum wage lifestyle. But this is completely Scoobie-less. And chock-full of Kennedy with an annoying attitude.

Although I want to praise Kennedy for looking out after the other slayers. I'm still upset that Buffy has not dealt with the impact she had to their lives.

IDK, maybe I'm just crotchety today but the plan to make everyone a slayer really wasn't well thought out. It solved an immediate problem but forced a destiny on nearly 2000 girls who didn't get a vote. At least half are dead and as Kennedy has pointed out, many were not prepared for real life BECAUSE they were put into the Slayer Army to defeat demons/vampires and many hadn't even finished high school. Even worse, once Buffy broke up the Army she didn't look after her troops to see that they were assimilated back into society. She left them adrift. I know Giles was dead but if you're the General in charge, you have to take care of the troops first.

I don't like it when I'm not happy with the choices of the main character.

And I'm just flat-out pissed that Xander has practically fallen out of the comics all-together. He gets referenced in one sentence and that's it. I doubt he's even in this arc. Color me ....disgruntled.

Okay, rant over. There was some good stuff in the issue and I'm glad the police are staking zompires. I'm just distracted by this new direction.
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Posted Jul 11, 2012 @ 3:02 PM

I actually found the new Buffy issue surprisingly good. Well, at least compared to the previous ones. I was actually pleasantly surprised by the plot twists twice. First, when it was all a training exercise and then when the police finally started doing their job in regards to vampires.

Buffy having to choose between job and Slaying is silly considering she has always Slain only in her spare time. And the other Slayers think she made them obsolete due to, wait for it, breaking the Seed?!? The who in the what now? Blame her for the space-frak or not killing Angel, not for the stupid Seed!

Isaacs' rendition is a little harsher than I'd prefer (I think her style is best suited to Angel's more angular features), but I still like it much better than Jeanty's childish, cartoonish style.


Of course Isaacs is much better, but that isn't much of an achievement in itself since Jeanty is awful at drawing human faces.

Edited by Jack Shaftoe, Jul 11, 2012 @ 3:05 PM.

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Posted Jul 11, 2012 @ 7:47 PM

And the other Slayers think she made them obsolete due to, wait for it, breaking the Seed?!? The who in the what now? Blame her for the space-frak or not killing Angel, not for the stupid Seed!


IA, loss of magic did not change the vampires. Twilight's campaign to make them "acceptable" combined with "Harmony's Rules" has made vampires acceptable. That changed they're job. The demons not being able to leave this dimension might have affected they're job somewhat but that's debatable too. What really changed, IMO, is that Buffy's Army was declared not relevant because the "war" was over (S9#1). But there was a considerable amount of time BEFORE the war where Buffy's Army existed. They just seem to gloss over that part. The other potential implication is that many of the demons are less troublesome without magic -- then again I think the claws are enough to make them a threat if they want to be.

Regardless, I'll lower my Scoobies expectation for a moment but I'm not happy if they abandon one of the central reasons why Buffy was different from all the previous slayers --- she has friends. They made this point over and over again. I'm not on board with abandoning it as a concept.
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Posted Jul 26, 2012 @ 8:28 AM

Angel & Faith #12 is out. First thoughts:

- Quor'toth! To me it looks as bad as it sounded. They are fighting demons about every third panel it seems. And new info: it brings out the darkness in everyone. This is consistent with Cordy providing Connor a soul colonic in S4. Annoying bit: everyone speaks English. I'm not sure what else you do but there it is.
- New "effect of the loss of magic": Connor lost his "happy childhood" memories, or rather they are now like a movie he watched a long time ago and it doesn't feel like his life. I've posited a theory elsewhere that this is what Buffy and Xander were talking about when Xander said "Dawnie doesn't need to know". Dawn probably retained some memories (like Connor) but they are faded. As they are both her childhood and her only memories of that time, she may not have noticed as much as Connor as she didn't have a real life with which to compare. But Xander, Buffy, and Willow may have completely lost the memories (like the Reilly's apparently did for Connor). Which probably had some effect on Xander, given he's having a relationship with her. I presume not enough to change his feelings but it's still odd.
- Willow gets her magic back after "recalibrating". I don't think she's up to full strength but it's building.
- The "hipster Jesus" plot: I'm glad they acknowledged that it's been centuries since Connor was there. I also thought Isaacs did an AWESOME job of showing Connor looking gut-shot to find that he had 2000 unintended followers at one point and that now they've been slaughtered down to <40. If you are not reading the series here's the short version: most of Quor'toth sees Connor as a legendary evil figure like the boogey-man or the devil. A few (based on someone seeing Connor have a childhood conversation with Holtz about being motivated by love) started to follow a peaceful path based on love, compassion, and respect for life. The movement grew and then they were slaughtered. I think this is Whedon again poking fun at the basis of religion but it also provides an opportunity IMO to see Connor is like his father in how he internalizes responsibility.

Least favorite bit:
- The followers of Connor as compassionate look like dogs.
- They are telegraphing the next bit: gee, we know Quor'toth brings out the evil but "we must be immune"... no, you just go evil next comic...duh.
- I'm just not into the Aunt's plot --- maybe it'll grow on me

Favorite bits:
- Connor pinching off Angel's regretful rant
- Quor'toth seems to live up to it's rep (IMO)
- The looks on everyone's face after Connor rips the heart out of a demon attacking them. Like ... yeah.. so you really ARE the Destroyer... awkward. I like they were so awkward.
- Faith is really our guide these days and I kinda like that.
- The looks between everyone. This series really captures the characters so well.

Edited by SueB, Jul 26, 2012 @ 8:31 AM.

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Posted Jul 26, 2012 @ 4:07 PM

So even in the worst hell dimension there are good demons? Yeah, right. The bad ones were cooler but seeing them only made Holtz's survival even more ridiculous than it already was.

I really don't want to see a fading memories plot for Dawn. Not nearly enough set up, not really the time for that and I prefer Dawn to get a storyline where she wouldn't be a victim of circumstances, thank you very much. Though, to be honest, the memories fading wouldn't be that bad for Dawn - the people close to her know the memories are fake anyway, which makes the whole thing kind of pointless, unless they also make it so that they start forgetting the current Dawn which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

They are telegraphing the next bit: gee, we know Quor'toth brings out the evil but "we must be immune"... no, you just go evil next comic...duh.


Yes, not to mention that characters (maybe) "going dark" is getting beyond repetitive, especially Willow and Angel.

Willow is going to the world without shrimp! Continuity for the win!

Edited by Jack Shaftoe, Jul 26, 2012 @ 4:07 PM.

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Posted Jul 31, 2012 @ 10:21 PM

Jack Shaftoe: Though, to be honest, the memories fading wouldn't be that bad for Dawn - the people close to her know the memories are fake anyway, which makes the whole thing kind of pointless, unless they also make it so that they start forgetting the current Dawn which would make absolutely no sense whatsoever.

But what other memories does she have? Connor has the actual events to replace his fake memories, but it seems like it would just manifest as amnesia for Dawn. I think they need to explain why Connor's memories would be fading but Dawn is ok (assuming they're going that route).

I liked this issue a lot, and I absolutely loved Faith's line about how this group doesn't have a great track record at playing god. I hadn't considered it until that line, but boy is she ever right! The group is an interesting mix of personalities, issues (probably ought to be spelled "ish-yoos" for emphasis in this case) and bad blood. This is part of why A&F is the more interesting comic for me right now, especially since Willow has joined in. Buffy's not doing much with the other characters I care about (I'm not including Spike as a character I care about). Willow's been AFK for a while, Giles is dead, Angel and Faith are off doing their own thing, so that only leaves Dawn and Xander. And we all know how neglected (by the writers) and neglecting (of Buffy) they've been so far this season. I love me some Buffy, but it was the interactions among characters that made me really fall for the show, and that's been lacking in her comic this season.

I'm currently re-reading Season 8 and am almost finished. In issue 28 there's a brief scene with Buffy and Faith where Faith says "good riddance" to her slayer powers because she couldn't handle the responsibility of what she had to do. I guess I glossed over it when I read it the first time, but that scene kind of surprises me now, and I wish they'd developed it more. It's not as if I disliked Faith to begin with, but she's really been growing on me as a character ever since season 7. I think pairing her with Angel was a good idea, but her interactions with Buffy often seem to reveal a lot about where each of those characters are emotionally. I hope the writers will consider a crossover that puts those two together at some point. Does Faith still feel the same way about her powers, especially given how the "slayer army" has turned out? This inquiring mind wants to know.

Edited by MidnightFrost, Jul 31, 2012 @ 10:22 PM.

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Posted Aug 8, 2012 @ 7:04 PM

My thoughts on Guarded Pt 2:

- It's a monster bash with limited plot development IMO. We get the W&H still have tendrils...har har... into this universe. We learn Kennedy still cares for Willow's happiness. And Koh seems more and more like an Old One.

Interesting but...easily gobbled down without much thought (IMO).

What pissed me off:
- Yet two more letters asking about the Scoobies and especially Xander and Dawn -- and a brush off response indicating we won't hear about them for quite some time.

Cause really, I'm all about Andrew, Kennedy and random new demon #5 (/sarcasm).
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Posted Aug 9, 2012 @ 5:43 PM

The parallels between Buffy's story and that hacker guy were so unsubtle that my head hurts from all the anvils. Buffy and Kennedy deciding to use Koh instead of a bunch of Slayers was a ridiculous contrivance. And computer code opening connection between dimensions? Yeah, whatever "no magic season".
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Posted Aug 16, 2012 @ 9:24 AM

I finally picked up the latest Buffy issue, and the best part about it was the cover (I got the Noto version). Boring, boring, boring. I never disliked Kennedy the way so many other fans seemed to, but I still don't especially give a damn about her. And even though I actually like Andrew, he's still no substitute for actual Scoobies. I don't want to be a dick since I know he's not the writer, but I'm going to have a hard time not complaining to Georges Jeanty when I go to his DragonCon panel for Season 9.

Speaking of, does anyone here have any questions they'd like me to ask Jeanty and report back on? DragonCon takes place over Labor Day weekend, so you've got some time to think up questions and how to word them so I don't sound like an asshole asking them. : )
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Posted Aug 24, 2012 @ 2:19 AM

So I don't know if I was the only one fool enough to buy the first Spike issue or if everyone else is just too stunned by the awfulness, but let me be the first to say that it was a craptastic waste of my time and money. I had hoped that instead of watching Spike moon over Buffy (no pun intended) I'd perhaps be reminded why I liked him in the earlier seasons (and even started liking him again on Angel). But no, we get almost an entire comic dedicated to him sulking. There are few things in the Buffyverse that I hate more than a sulky Spike. The only thing I found remotely entertaining was the bug wearing the grass skirt and the lei; it was a cheap sight gag, but I did briefly chuckle. Otherwise, ugh.
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Posted Aug 24, 2012 @ 3:01 PM

You are not alone. I give it a "meh". The bugs were good.
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Posted Aug 29, 2012 @ 9:07 AM

Angel & Faith #13 (COMPLETE SPOILERS):
- Nice meaty story IMO. Requires a re-read to pick up all the action going on. The dialog is heavy interpersonal while they are hacking away at demons in parallel.
- Faith gets the best lines AGAIN. "And don't get to high on yourself. You're still crazy as a bag of badgers." Hee. I love her Angel smackdowns. I REALLY like their dynamic.
- Puppies and ice cream feelings w/ Connor and Angel, but that's okay by me.
- Unsurprising Dark Willow reveal. Geez Angel, not really careful there with encouraging Willow to go all powerful.
- Whistler is still trying to take earth to the higher plane. He is always such difficult guy to pin down but right now I'd say he has a bad plan.
- The Old Ones get another shout out as the Big Bad of Quor'toth is revealed to be an Old One with mindless "kill/smash/pain" lust.


For me, this series sooooo much more compelling that Buffy right now.

BTW, the letters are explicit that Angel's attitude about Buffy and saving good people was not a retcon. Instead they throw the S8 comic under the bus for being too vague.
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Posted Aug 29, 2012 @ 12:30 PM

The whitewashing of Angel continues as expected. Connor thinking he is as much to blame for the good demons getting slaughtered as Angel is for the Twilight stint is just nauseating. Angel's "inspiring" speech for Willow was almost as bad.
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Posted Aug 29, 2012 @ 3:12 PM

Connor thinking he is as much to blame for the good demons getting slaughtered as Angel is for the Twilight stint is just nauseating.


True, what Connor did with the good demons doesn't equate. I must say though, I liked Connor's insight: "No wonder he grabs for the slimmest hopes. Grand gestures that'll never work, hoping to fix everything."

I think that nails Angel's motivation for the Giles thing spot on. I'm kind of hoping that Angel comes to this conclusion about Giles' reincarnation and that THIS is his lessons learned. That these grand gestures are meaningless. On the one hand, it's clear it's something he needs to learn. On the other hand, the whole "the world is cruel..." speech of S4, his S2 epiphany, and his signing away of the Shanshu/attack on the Blackthorne were all the SAME lesson.

So... why is Angel falling back to the redemption path? If it's lazy writing, then why have Connor make this insight that reminds us that he keeps doing this over and over again. I'm going to hope for the following:
1) Giles doesn't come back -- he's earned heaven and if Angel doesn't leave him there I'll be pissed. Besides, it wasn't a magical death IMO -- his head was cut off with a sharp blade.
2) Somehow Angel has a longer lasting lessons learned than the 3 times he learned he can't be doing good to be redeemed during the TV series.


On another note. Upon second re-read, I picked up two things:
1) That the worm creatures were in the wall guarding the entrance. I had to really go back and study the panels to see how their shell was outlining the prison before and then how it was a hole.
2) The holding hands business reminded me of when Willow took Anya and Kennedy's life force in S7 to make a portal in "Get It Done". I'm wondering if she was taking their life force or something else.

ETA:
Two more things:
1) I hope Connor finds out about trying to resurrect Giles and talks to Angel about it.

and
2)

The whitewashing of Angel continues as expected.


I think that this is about as close as we are going to get to them admitting that their implied character take on Angel (that he'd chuck the rest of the world and start a new universe with Buffy alone) was a mistake. I really don't expect a "WE SCREWED UP AND THIS IS OUR FIX!" letter. So, this is as good as it gets.

They screwed up, they are retconning that Angel didn't mean to abandon everyone and that he was confused and they want to move on. Just like Joss will never admit to some mistakes in S6 of Buffy -- I think they spin and go forward. Meh. I'll live with it.

Edited by SueB, Aug 29, 2012 @ 3:18 PM.

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#179

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Posted Aug 30, 2012 @ 12:27 AM

Boring, boring, boring. I never disliked Kennedy the way so many other fans seemed to, but I still don't especially give a damn about her. And even though I actually like Andrew, he's still no substitute for actual Scoobies. I don't want to be a dick since I know he's not the writer, but I'm going to have a hard time not complaining to Georges Jeanty when I go to his DragonCon panel for Season 9.

I don't think you have to be a dick about it, but when even people like me think there should be more Xander in the comic series, than I think there really has been an unreasonable dearth of him. And yeah, it seems to me like the comics continue to shaft Xander's character and his relationship to Buffy. I might have personally have had issues with his character and their relationship in earlier years, but I think denying it's importance to the Buffy character and series overall, isn't the right choice. And while it's too late for one of my fave Scoobies Giles (sob), I think there should be more Xander, and a cool Xander, in the comics. So maybe at Dragon Con you can tell Jeanty that even people who haven't necessarily been huge Xander fans (to put it mildly) think he's important and should be featured more. And interacting more with Buffy, and again, in non-shafting ways.

I really don't expect a "WE SCREWED UP AND THIS IS OUR FIX!" letter. So, this is as good as it gets.

I've learned that I really am willing to accept full-on 'Bobby coming out of the showers' level of retcon, if I think a series messed up. If they made a new Alien film and had Ripley waking up from a nightmare that explained away Alien cubed and Alien 4? I'd totally go along with that. Lalala X-Files TV show ended after S7. Veronica Mars the end of S2, etc. I've found I'd rather try and reconcile a totally illogical handwave that resets the show/movie, if I feel the damage was too much otherwise. But that could be just me, and after years of bad movie sequels/reboots and baaaad seasons of my previously favourite shows.
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Posted Sep 3, 2012 @ 5:04 PM

I just (finally) picked up A&F. I agree with others that the Twilight "explanation" is a retcon. Scott Allie's letter made no damn sense--"...it's not a retcon--rather than retconning, I think we've been repeating ourselves too much in explaining this." Umm, yeah, you're repeatedly retconning, Scott. Ugh. I didn't like this issue as well as the last one, largely because some of the dialogue just didn't ring true. I agree with Jack Shaftoe that Angel's pep talk for Willow was just awful. I couldn't hear his voice in that somehow. Also agree with SueB that Faith still has the best lines.

So I just got home from DragonCon, and here's my (spoilery) report back on the Georges Jeanty panel regarding Buffy S9:

Spoiler


That's all I can remember right now, but I'll post again if I think of any more spoilers. We're definitely not alone in thinking that A&F is the better comic. Before Jeanty arrived at the panel, someone asked for a vote on which one everyone liked better, and A&F won. Does anyone know how the sales figures compare? I can't imagine that A&F is beating Buffy in spite of being superior, but I'm curious to know how close they are.
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