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Posted Aug 19, 2011 @ 12:34 PM

the parts that threw me the most was wondering who paid for Emma's laptop and mobile phone


In the books Emma is pretty independent so works part-time and has her own money from that, which is how she has a Blackberry.
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Posted Aug 19, 2011 @ 8:40 PM

I don't think I can turn my brain off for this. Down? Yes...a bit (I watch Teen Wolf so I'm capable) but Off? Nah.

Why is the Black chick stalking onto someone's private property to invite them to a party then insult them?

Why was Amanda from Kyle XY so excited about seniors being at a party. I'm assuming they're popular and have been to maybe one or two parties with people from other classes. So dumb.

People mentioning a baby ring makes little sense as well. These are rich healthy white people. They would not need the black market to get a child.

Swapping clothes? Ridiculous.

Not to mention the horrible dialogue.

Sorry no. just no to this pilot.

Even though I think PLL is an overrated piece of turd (even by guilty pleasure standards) it's shakespearean in comparison.
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Posted Aug 20, 2011 @ 3:57 PM

I really liked the pilot. It was interesting and it's already got me wondering whats going on. I agree with everyone that thinks there's something shady with the parents. They did seem to freak out every time Sutton or Emma mentioned her adoption. And what kind of parents let their daughter talk to them like that?? That's kinda ridiculous. I remember the mom saying I shouldn't talk to her like that around the boyfriend or something to that affect. You're her mother you can talk to her however you want whenever you want. Take charge for goodness sake. She's also way to sensitive if she runs around crying every time they say a word against her. I'm not liking the parents to much I guess.

I really hope they don't go along with the books and kill sutton off tho!!! I really like her!! I want to see more of Emma and Sutton interaction then what we saw in this episode.
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Posted Aug 20, 2011 @ 4:44 PM

Thanks, Misty77--that does make a lot more sense, that Emma has worked a lot of part-time jobs.

dietcokeisgood--I agree with you on much of this (including the fact that Diet Coke makes my world go around), but the "stolen baby ring" isn't as big a stretch as you'd think. We don't know everything yet about Sutton's adopted parents. One of them could have a record from, oh, being a protester in the 60's, or a youthful indiscretion, which would have kept them from adopting a baby the old fashioned way. We also don't know if they were quite as wealthy when they adopted Sutton as they are now, so their options may have been more limited.

I, too, hope Sutton stays alive, cmabousaab. She's wonderfully, soapily secretive.
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Posted Aug 20, 2011 @ 8:46 PM

We don't know everything yet about Sutton's adopted parents. One of them could have a record from, oh, being a protester in the 60's, or a youthful indiscretion, which would have kept them from adopting a baby the old fashioned way.


Exactly and even 16? years ago the wait was frequently years for couples wanting a healthy infant, even if they both had stellar records. I hope at some point though there is some explanation as to why Emma never got adopted unless her bio-mom somehow retained her parental rights and wouldn't allow it. I can live with some of the ridiculous "facts" because this is good soapy fun and like PLL is just visually captivating. I hope it doesn't become as mind boggling confusing as PLL, however. Add the fact that almost every pilot stinks and needs a lot of tweeking.
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Posted Aug 22, 2011 @ 9:33 PM

Ok-the second episode officially has me hooked! I loves me some Adrian Pasder, and I'm going to like him playing the bad guy.

Was I the only one that got the vibe that maybe the dance instructor was having a fling with Char(I think that's her name, the blonde one). I know he was making eyes at the other friend when they were dancing, but for some reason, I got the feeling that the two of them were talking about more then the recital.

Are Ethan and his brother supposed to be half brothers maybe? Because from Ethan's comments, it sounds like they're Native American, but they look absolutely nothing alike and his brother doesn't look Native American at all. For that matter, Thayer and his sister don't look related at all either.

Would someone be so kind as to tell me what happened in the last minute or so? My DVR cut off, and so the last thing I saw was Ethan's brother aprpacking Adrian Pasder, but I didn't see anything else. It looked like something juicy was about to happen.

Edited by bparhad, Aug 22, 2011 @ 9:34 PM.

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Posted Aug 22, 2011 @ 9:57 PM

Adrian Pasdar meets a guy with possession charges and gets Sutton's laptop from him, trading dropping the charges for stealing the laptop.

I'm enjoying this show. Emma and the valet guy have really good chemistry. I like that the sister is getting suspicious, but I wish Sutton's parents were a bit more curious about her changes.

I do like that we are getting mainly Emma's storyline. While Sutton is soapily fascinating, she's probably not that likable.
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Posted Aug 22, 2011 @ 10:09 PM

Was I the only one that got the vibe that maybe the dance instructor was having a fling with Char(I think that's her name, the blonde one). I know he was making eyes at the other friend when they were dancing, but for some reason, I got the feeling that the two of them were talking about more then the recital.

Are Ethan and his brother supposed to be half brothers maybe? Because from Ethan's comments, it sounds like they're Native American, but they look absolutely nothing alike and his brother doesn't look Native American at all. For that matter, Thayer and his sister don't look related at all either.


Totes ditto on some kind of secret affair vibe between poor Char (who seriously seems to second only Emma in the bad life department) and the ballet teacher---especially given all the juicy secrets.

I think Blair and Tyler look enough like possible sibs (especially for this show) that I'll buy it----but Tyler Christopher was looking seriously rough tonight.

Adrian Pasdar meets a guy with possession charges and gets Sutton's laptop from him, trading dropping the charges for stealing the laptop.


I also missed the juicy, cliffhanger reveal in the bar (same acursed DVR).....BUT, DA's don't make a whole lot of money (it's a middle income at best job) and certainly not super fancy country club, designer dress for princess from your roll of hundies kind of $$$. So I suspect there's something verrrrrry shady going on with him. Not sure how a teenaged girl's stolen laptop is gonna help line his pockets, though.

Last week I totally called Thayer as working with Sutton. I'm not even sure about the stolen purse, since I really do think he's the one that got into the truck with her at the end of last week. The purse thing might be a ruse, in and of itself (in fact maybe she's more in LA to spend time with Thayer). But at least Thayer's presence explained how she was living. Why didn't Ethan and Emma ask Sutton if she needed any bucks wired?

Again, I enjoy it and am also happy Sutton is still around....but soooo many dropped threads..
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Posted Aug 22, 2011 @ 10:15 PM

Okay, did I hallucinate, or did Adrian Pasdar assault long-hair-sneaky-boyfriend first. Considering he's supposed to be a TEENAGER, why would AP be the one pressing charges, even if he is a district attorney? LHSB tried to back him off from faux-Sutton and Mads, then got punched, and kind of jumped on him afterwards, but I think a closed fist to the face is worse than being shoved back into the valet desk. Color me confused.
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Posted Aug 22, 2011 @ 10:48 PM

Man, I am so bummed to hear about the bad ratings for this show since I loved tonight's episode. Hopefully, they'll pick-up as I need one more cheesy teen show to watch now that Switched at Birth is on hiatus and PLL is almost on hiatus.

I am amazed that ABC Family is getting some name actors for the parent roles in this show, Switched at Birth and PLL. I can't imagine they are getting paid very well for these shows, so I am surprised to see them in these roles.
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Posted Aug 22, 2011 @ 11:29 PM

This episode hooked me and hopefully word will get out about the improvement from the pilot. It's great so see Adrian Pasar back on TV, and I'm glad he's pretty much playing Nathan Peterlli without superpowers. The friendship between Mads, Char, and Sutton was developed nicely and it's great they picked up immediately that something was off, but of course no one thinks switched with twin, Ethan and Emma have chemistry which is always great and Emma and Sutton seem like truly different people so props to the lead actress who is really likable in both roles. Hope the ratings get better.

, DA's don't make a whole lot of money (it's a middle income at best job) and certainly not super fancy country club, designer dress for princess from your roll of hundies kind of $$$. So I suspect there's something verrrrrry shady going on with him. Not sure how a teenaged girl's stolen laptop is gonna help line his pockets, though.


The laptop seemed to be about tracking his son who he accussed Sutton of having constant contact with, and he was right. As for the cash, I don't think the show will go into much, but he could come from money or been a biglaw attorney or done well in other business and is a DA of a nice area for the respect and perks.

but I think a closed fist to the face is worse than being shoved back into the valet desk. Color me confused.


AP's a rich DA while Ethan is a poor kid with a record, therefore Ethan assualted him, at least that will be the truth long enough to make Ethan miserable.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 12:48 AM

Was I the only one that got the vibe that maybe the dance instructor was having a fling with Char(I think that's her name, the blonde one). I know he was making eyes at the other friend when they were dancing, but for some reason, I got the feeling that the two of them were talking about more then the recital.


That was what I got as well. I think the glances with Mads was a misdirect. Especially since we didn't actually see the conversation between them.

Are Ethan and his brother supposed to be half brothers maybe? Because from Ethan's comments, it sounds like they're Native American, but they look absolutely nothing alike and his brother doesn't look Native American at all.

I think they look as much like siblings as most TV sibs do. Also, Tyler Christopher (CopBrother) is actually Native American on both sides... granted neither from a tribe in the Southwest, but still.

Last week I totally called Thayer as working with Sutton. I'm not even sure about the stolen purse, since I really do think he's the one that got into the truck with her at the end of last week. The purse thing might be a ruse, in and of itself (in fact maybe she's more in LA to spend time with Thayer). But at least Thayer's presence explained how she was living. Why didn't Ethan and Emma ask Sutton if she needed any bucks wired?


Ditto. I knew it couldn't be a coincidence that Thayer was also in LA, especially since he was billed as a character on the show. I'm not sure about the purse yet, but it is weird that Emma didn't ask if she needed money.

I'm liking this show, but I'm having a really hard time with the heavy handed favoritism by the parents re Laurel and Sutton. Not only did it not even occur to Daddy Mercer to split the spotlight dance with the girls, but in the photo taken in front of the dance Lauren was literally on the side. Sutton was screen left with Daddy Mercer then Mads and Pasdar then Char..... then Laurel on the far right. It was so glaring. Subtle unthinking preference I get, but in moments where it would be easy to demonstrate "we love you equally" missed seems deliberate. There better be a reason for the Mercer parents complete inability to even include Laurel let alone treat them equally.

Edited because apparently it's Laurel not Lauren... poor kid deserves better than even audiences forgetting her.

Edited by RachelKM, Aug 23, 2011 @ 1:41 AM.

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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 1:34 AM

I really like this show. I don't think I like Sutton much as a character but I really love Emma. That may be because Sutton is not as fleshed out as Emma so far but I don't think my opinion will change all that much. I did get a romantic vibe from the dance instructor with Mads, it was bordering on inappropriate there but she didn't act like there was anything going on after the demonstration. No longing glances or jealousy that Char was having time alone with him.

I think the romantic tension between Emma and Ethan is pretty great. I just think that they are sweet together. He seems very attracted to Not!Sutton and it really makes me curious about his relationship with her. He said he was a lot more pissed than worried but he doesn't seem to care about her too much imo. She also has kept a lot from him considering how "close" they supposedly are. What is Sutton's relationship with Thayer exactly?

The parents are weird with their favoritism and their weird nosy behavior. They're just weird. I kind of like that Laurel is not the favored one. I think in cases when parents really want a child and can't have one and they adopt and then get pregnant there is definitely a emphasis on their miracle baby and that's not the case here. And I have to wonder about it. Why do they love Sutton more than Laurel their own biological child? Makes me wonder if she really is.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 8:18 AM

Mads's dad is the DA, he's gotta either have family $$$ or the wife makes big buckeroos, because that really doesn't pay all that well, certainly not post modern mansion, designer clothes and hot cars for teenage girls $$$$.


He must be the D.A. instead of a D.A., like the Chief District Attorney because, like you said, Assistant District Attorneys do not pull in that type of cash.

This show is pretty good, but it's a ABC Family show after all. With that said, I do not go into the show looking for logic, like I would with primetime shows, I go in and just focus on the story and try to forget that a world outside of TV exists, that makes it easier to ignore dumb plot, location, or continuation mistakes.

I think the actress playing both girls is good, but what is up with her cray cray eyes? Has anybody else noticed that shit she does with her eyes? I saw someone mention it on another site and ever since I can not get it out of my head when watching. Other than the crazy eyes, her acting and delivery is well executed and fairly believable. That goes for the rest of the cast as well. I really liked Blair Redford as Tyler on Switched at Birth (hated him on 90210) but I think I like him more on this show, so far.

I'll keep watching....until it turns bad. Wait, I'll probably still watch then. I mean, I do continue to watch the shit show that is Secret Life of the American Teenager, even though it has the worst acting that I have ever seen on a show. That's saying a lot because I watch a ton of TV. I am looking forward more to the Ringer than this show which I think can be attributed to the (likely) adult content compared to this show.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 8:52 AM

For that matter, Thayer and his sister don't look related at all either.

No, I agree. I was pretty surprised with the casting of her brother as Mads looks mixed race. I hope her mother ends up looking a bit more like her.

I also thought there was something going on between Char and the dancing instructor.

I also really hope the mother cottons on sometime soon. She knows Sutton has a twin sister. Alarm bells should be ringing at the change in behaviour, I keep expecting her to have figured it out already.

Edited by AStarling, Aug 23, 2011 @ 6:29 PM.

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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 9:06 AM

He must be the D.A. instead of a D.A., like the Chief District Attorney because, like you said, Assistant District Attorneys do not pull in that type of cash.


And even THEN, not enough $$$ unless he's shady, from money or his wife's the real bread winner. I like how they alluded to David Wallace's money coming from being a doctor. Again, he must be a world renowned specialist---cause these aren't upper middle class people, these are RICH people.

She knows Sutton has a twin sister. Alarm bells should be ringing at the change in behaviour, I keep expecting her to have figured it out already.


Does she? Honestly, I don't remember this being alluded to. Cause if so, then I do understand a good portion of Sutton's hate. I think David Wallace and Super Girl have no idea that Emma exists---otherwise why wouldn't they have taken both babies or take Emma in now? Especially since Emma's the good and helpful twin.

The whole "use my laptop until we can get you a new one" thing kinda cracked me up. While I get there's all kinds of missing information, it's quite apparent EmSutton or parents have plenty of time (and certainly the money) to drop by Best Buy or the Apple store and pick one up that very day.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 11:41 AM

I liked the first two episodes but I didn't love them like I love PLL and if it's ever between this and Make It Or Break It, I would choose MIOBI in a second.
Also, Emma/Sutton reminded me a lot of Charisma Carpenter at some moments...
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 12:30 PM

Love this show! Thankfully, something to fill the void in my life left by Switched at Birth.

LOVE Alex Chando - she reminds me of a perfect hybrid of Amanda Bynes and Nina Dobrev. Methinks I have a new girlcrush.

I also noted that she reminded me of Charisma Carpenter in some moments - especially when she was Real!Sutton.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 6:19 PM

Does she? Honestly, I don't remember this being alluded to. Cause if so, then I do understand a good portion of Sutton's hate. I think David Wallace and Super Girl have no idea that Emma exists---otherwise why wouldn't they have taken both babies or take Emma in now? Especially since Emma's the good and helpful twin.


Sutton told Emma in the pilot that her parents knew she had a twin. Whether that's true or not is debatable.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 6:37 PM

Ugh - DVR didn't pick this up despite being programmed for all new episodes, and ABCF video player is as useless as ever (seriously...what is the point?). Maybe I'll attempt to record the encore airing tonight.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 7:05 PM

Ugh - DVR didn't pick this up despite being programmed for all new episodes, and ABCF video player is as useless as ever (seriously...what is the point?). Maybe I'll attempt to record the encore airing tonight.


Same here! At least it's not just me. Maybe it's a sign? LOL.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 7:50 PM

If you don't always check the homepage, be aware that weecaps for the show can be found here.

Just a reminder: if you’ve read the books, please be aware that any details from them which haven’t been aired yet are spoilers. Even if the plot of the show diverges from the plot of the books, we can’t be sure which details might still be used, so they need to be spoiler tagged. Note that general observations, like "This arc coming up was exciting," or "In the book, Character A was more irritating," don’t need to be tagged. Thanks—TWoP Howard

Edited by TWoP Howard, Oct 21, 2011 @ 5:31 AM.


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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 8:19 PM

It's on Hulu.
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Posted Aug 23, 2011 @ 9:21 PM

Frankly, I'm hooked! Wish the ratings were better. Is it that far behind PLL? They are somewhat similar so I'm surprised all the PLL crowd isn't giving this a shot and they've promo'd the hell out of it forever.

I do get annoyed with some of the things that are just moronic, i.e. Emma as Sutton leaving the ringer on the Emma cell phone on? Carry it with you or turn the damned thing off! Ditto on the laptop - the girl at age 16 has a car that would cost me a year's salary and she didn't just hop in it and run buy a laptop which in her world would be the same as me buying a cup of coffee. The dad doesn't know why that machine is so important so the mere replacing of a stolen machine should have meant nothing financially.

I too am astonished by the obvious preference the parents show to Sutton over Laurel. I would think the miracle baby would be a welcome addition and blessing, not an annoying afterthought. The girl is charming and obviously wanting love and attention and they prefer Sutton, who they all seem to tiptoe around because she's (the real one) so hateful to them? I'm dying to know what the Lying Games were, although understand they may not be a key on the show as opposed to the books? Without asking for spoilers, could some book reader tell me (and spoil tag if needed) if they were serious and horribly cruel? I keep thinking Sutton must have been the Ali of this group, her friends and family all seem so relieved and amazed that she's being kind.
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Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 1:24 AM

Laurel is definitely an affair baby, has to be. There is just no other explanation for why the parents act the way they do.

Also, maybe Nathan Petrelli is the person who did the adoption. That would explain why he's all creepy over Sutton on top of him thinking she knows more about his son's location. Black market babies are a good source of cash I'd bet

Yeah, TC looks rough, he has for a while now. It makes me sad because I was totally in love with him in the late 90's.
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Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 1:29 AM

Giving the show a chance because Alexandra Chando was delightful in "Rockville, CA."

They need to get moving or all these breadcrumbs will be liner notes on 'yet another show that I totally meant to keep up with except I didn't care.' Although, after two shows I'm way more interested in everyone who isn't Sutton or Emma. Just typing a post I'm reminded of all the possible stories for the supporting cast and how deliciously soapy it could get....

Just before Ethan and Pasdar got physical, wasn't Pasdar accusing *Sutton* of disclosing The Secret? Not like a vision board, but like she knows something nefarious about how he rolls.

Haven't read the books, but speculating on how the actors read a few lines, Sutton might not be the only store-bought kid on this cul-de-sac, and Thayer might not be "like a brother to [her]" but actually her (and Emma's) brother. Chando's Sutton is not giving off a lover-vibe for Christian Alexander's Thayer. Alexander's amused-delight when Thayer is talking to *Sutton* without admitting that he totally knows seemed... I dunno... Familiar. Later, the way he delivered "Why didn't you tell her that I'm helping you?" indicated that it never crossed his mind Ethan, the unsecret boyfriend, might be jealous of how Sutton is living in Los Angeles.

I loved Chando's suspicious body languge when Sutton, for however much she might love her new secret sister, was guardedly interested in how Ethan is handling the Emma situation.


(PS - ABCF, you won't make me watch it live by timeshifting for the cliffhanger; I just reprogrammed the DVR to hang around for 5 minutes extra with future recordings.)

Edited by Balance, Aug 24, 2011 @ 1:41 AM.

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Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 9:02 AM

I do get annoyed with some of the things that are just moronic, i.e. Emma as Sutton leaving the ringer on the Emma cell phone on? Carry it with you or turn the damned thing off!


This! Why in the heck does she even HAVE it? It's not as if she left anyone behind that she needs to stay in contact with (so far as we know), and it's just a way for ex-not-brother to track her.
Maybe it's a genetic fail, though, because I don't get (other than for DRAMA reasons for the show) why Sutton would not inform Emma of her relationship with Ethan. Did she think it wouldn't come up? (The only thing I thought was r=that Sutton might be in trouble, and thought having Emma take her place..and the fall...would be a way out. But why keep in contact at all?)
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Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 10:47 AM

Laurel is definitely an affair baby, has to be. There is just no other explanation for why the parents act the way they do.


I was thinking that too; I just wasn't sure if I was thinking that because Adrian Pasder had a secret love child on Heroes too. At least, I was assuming that if it was an affair baby, it'd be Mom + Adrian Pasder, but it could be Dad + an unknown.

Edited by bparhad, Aug 24, 2011 @ 10:47 AM.

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Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 12:21 PM

At least, I was assuming that if it was an affair baby, it'd be Mom + Adrian Pasder


I could see this. There was definitely some vibing between Mom & AP. It could The Secret, i.e. to Sutton and Emma's past, or a secret such as an affair, but something was happening there. I don't think Laurel could be dad's affair baby because she's the bio-kid which indicates mom was pregnant.
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Posted Aug 24, 2011 @ 2:12 PM

I could see this. There was definitely some vibing between Mom & AP. It could The Secret, i.e. to Sutton and Emma's past, or a secret such as an affair, but something was happening there. I don't think Laurel could be dad's affair baby because she's the bio-kid which indicates mom was pregnant.


ITA---it would also explain why David Wallace so clearly prefers Sutton----on some level he knows. And Laurel reminds Super Girl of her indiscretion.

Sutton told Emma in the pilot that her parents knew she had a twin. Whether that's true or not is debatable.


I think it's all in Sutton's sneaky, somewhat warped little head. It just makes no sense that they wouldn't have taken both babies. And if they DID know about the existence of a twin, you'd think it would occur to them that's the sort of secret their resourceful daughter could find out. Not to mention in real life, not only do twins look slightly different---BUT you'd think they'd notice how weird their daughter is acting---if Ethan could figure it out without knowing about Emma's existence, you'd think the Mercers could.
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