Edited by lanorigb, Apr 8, 2012 @ 10:39 PM.
Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 3:28 PM
Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 7:59 PM
Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 8:17 PM
"Dance Moms" is pretty far removed from reality. It is clear that this episode, like most of this show, is edited for maximum drama. Scripting? Very likely. Reality shows do script, this I know for a fact (I am friends with a professional actor who was cast as a customer in another reality series and he was told what to do and say).
In other breaking news.....water is wet.
Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 8:21 PM
Holly is usually calm and well spoken and much harder to argue with. Abby always comes out looking absolutely stupid. Holly's race might have a contributing factor, but I think that if Holly was white, Abby would have a similar reaction because she'd still be threatened by her.
I agree. It's not because she's black, it's because she's smart and that she talks like an educator. Holly is experienced in talking to people that are out of control and making her point known calmly and that makes Abby nuts. Abby always ends up coming out looking bad when she talks to Holly and she's obviously intimidated by her. She also always ends up giving her whatever she wants in the end. Nia as part of the trio, nia getting a pretty solo. I think Nia's gotten more solo's than Paige
Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 9:51 PM
Also, the pressure Abby and Melissa are putting on Maddie is insane. Poor kid. But the way Chloe felt so bad for her broke my heart too, and the look on Chloe’s face when Abby was comforting her – you could tell Chloe wished Abby had done that for her last week when she forgot her solo.
I just couldn't get over this!!! Maddie was honestly freaked out! It was frightening to say the least and poor Chloe! Did Abby honestly not congratulate her over her 1st place win? It was sickening. :(
And I think Holly has class and wish she would take Nia out of this crazy place. :(
Edited by hatchetgirl, Apr 8, 2012 @ 9:51 PM.
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 1:25 AM
It makes her look weak and I don't know if she's going to be able to function in the school system again without parents and students giving her the side eye. In fact, I wonder if the leave of absence was completely voluntary. I get the feeling she's sacrificing her career for this show. I hope the gamble pays off.
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 12:14 PM
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 3:50 PM
Yes, took the words out of my mouth. That woman comes across almost sociopathic--before she had her freak out when the moms were asking her where her ring went, her facial expressions were just off. It was like she was having a glitch in the system. Then she tears downstairs and riles Maddie up by telling her she can't dance anymore because of the other moms. WHAAAAT? Makes no sense.
I wouldn't believe a damn word coming out of Melissa's mouth (or twitter account) as she is a proven liar ("Greg sent the lawyer letters"), she pursues married sugardaddies to bankroll her dance dreams for her daughters, and she manipulates others for her own sociopathic satisfaction.
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 4:13 PM
Nia as part of the trio, nia getting a pretty solo. I think Nia's gotten more solo's than Paige
I think that we don't see all of the solos. I think most of the girls perform a solo at the competitions. I'd wager that Nia and Paige have had about the same amount of solos. It's impossible to say though, because what we see isn't their reality.
I really like Holly but I judge her more harshly than the others for having her child stay with Abby. As a principal, she would be more conscious about the effects of this kind of behaviour on children and it's kind of cringe worthy watching a principal endure this kind of abuse.
But I really don't think Abby is that abusive to the children in real life. I think a lot of her awfulness is for the show, you can sometimes see snippets of their real relationships and it's quite different from Abby the Monster. Yes, the kids are exposed to it, but I'm sure it's explained to them beforehand. I do agree that Holly will likely have trouble professionally because of the show. Most people do not recognize that this show is largely made up.
Edited by T Scrumptious, Apr 9, 2012 @ 4:13 PM.
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 8:58 PM
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 9:31 PM
The only difference being that Maddie and Chloe both have 1 1/2 hour sessions, while Nia, Page, Brooke and Kenzie usually only do 1 hour.
Do they have these sessions with Abby or Gianna?
Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 10:13 PM
And of course, I've been sucked in. Plus I love free advertising (we've had some things on a few other tv shows and it's always pretty cool).
I've read a bunch of the back pages but because I've pretty much missed all of last season, I'm a little lost on those postings. Is Abby an only child? From everything I've seen, it would seem so, and make much sense. I'm an only child, and while I don't have a family business to take over or anything, I worked with a woman who reminded me so much of Abby growing up. Her mother was a big hoo-hah, and this woman was expected to step in where her mom left off. When our moms attempted to get us some time to be kids, she'd punish the rest of the group and tell them to blame us for it. So initially, I cringed and was reminded of all those times with that woman growing up (it was with a kids performance group - singing, skits, etc), but funny thing is that as I'm older, I realize that we were good. Really good. I see kids doing things like that nowadays, and none memorize their lines. They stand up on stage, face buried in a script, reading their lines like robots. We had memory checks and got yelled at, but we knew our lines. We had emotion. Not everyone got a part - if you couldn't memorize your lines, you didn't get in, and if you were too little to memorize but was good at mugging with the audience and she thought you had potential, then you got sent to background parts. She was driven because she was so linked to this group that her mom started that it was a personal affront to her if we did badly. And when I see kids doing skits somewhere, face down, barely audible, I find myself saying "Sheesh! Memorize your lines and speak up!". Scary stuff. She had kids late (a few years before I aged out of the stuff those kids were doing), and I gave her credit that she treated her kids the same once she had them, and they were old enough to join.
I was also heavily into music performance, and I had a director that most kids hated. And a lot of parents, as a lot of kids went home in tears. My mom wasn't into coddling me, and told me that I'd just have to do better if I wanted him to lay off me. When I was done with middle school and about to go to the high school,and a different director, he walked up to me with a big smile on his face. He handed me a folder, and wished me luck, and said he'd be watching, and he was glad I stuck it out because a lot of kids quit rather than go to high school band. I worked up my nerve and asked him why he was so hard on me and some of the other kids, and appeared to let others skate. He told me that he rode the kids who were talented and didn't bother with the ones who were just there because their parents forced them, or the like. The ones he knew would quit. He said they weren't worth his energy. And again, those of us who stuck it out and were rode by him were good. We played well. We took direction well. We had discipline. I still play - 20+ years out of college (where I also played). I ran into him, and that made him very happy.
So while I don't always like what she says or does, I get it. And I know that much of this show is edited for maximum effect. And a lot of the drama comes from the moms. If they'd butt out, it would be very different.
None of the stuff that I did (band, the performance group, ice skating, roller skating, etc) had a parents gallery. Our parents weren't there, and it was much better. I asked one of my customers at work (not a dance school but in a similar vein) about the parents gallery since their website advertised one and she said she put it in only after a lot of jawjacking from helicopter parents, and she hates it, but she has strict rules. The martial arts school my husband used to teach at had a parents area, but it was away from the studios where the kids were and they were forbidden from class. And things ran much smoother.
Just my two cents.
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 9:52 AM
I have a friend who was talking to a music store about piano lessons for her sons (2nd & 6th grade). She asked the teacher (not necessarily the one who'd be teaching them, but the head teacher) what sort of background checks are performed on the teachers, since these would be one on one sessions. The teacher was insulted and got very rude with her in response. She actually said, "I'm sure none of our teachers would do anything." And you know this how?
It's obviously done for the show, but I have a problem with the moms interrupting class to discuss issues. If you have a problem, and it doesn't involve injury or serious harm, address it after class with the teacher only (not the other students or mothers). And THAT is a huge problem with this show! So, yes - the moms should butt out...but where's the drama in that? :)
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 12:28 PM
My mom never "dumped" me and ran off if that's the way I made it sound. She did leave the building for ice and roller skating, but it was a group thing with a number of instructors, and we knew other kids in it, so she felt ok with it. The performance group was through a church, and again, we knew other people involved, etc. The lady I was talking to at work who had the viewing gallery said she laid down ultra strict rules with it, such as not arguing or fighting, or interrupting class, or waving at the kids, etc. She said violators were shown the door.
I wanted to say one thing with regard to the Joffrey deal. From what I understand and what I've read, it appears that Chloe got accepted to the one in New York. It appears Maddie got accepted to a "new" program by the same people in LA that has a concentration in Jazz style dancing. That would make sense, as her ability pushes her that way, as opposed to ballet. But I also wonder if they didn't mention it on the show because she's being asked to come because she's a "name" and they think it will entice other kids to want to go (especially it being a new progrmam)? We work with a few top-name training programs where I work (not dance, but another discipline) and all of them are all about bringing in "names" either to train at their facility (have your kid train along side "XYZ" this summer!) or teach (have your kid taught by "ABC" this summer!). Of course, the "name" gets free training, room, board, other perks, and if they don't need to worry about accepting money for their time, they'll get paid. It's a win-win.
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 2:19 PM
Do they have these sessions with Abby or Gianna?
From what I've seen on the site, all of their sessions are with Gianna. Sometimes Gianna will post on twitter that she had Chole and Maddie in her room working on their solos right up until they go on stage. I have a strong belief that the vast majority of their stuff is coming from her.
I think that Abby's involvement with them is scripted right down to the footage shot during their "class times". I would bet that they have their normal posted schedules and then a separate TV show schedule. In fact that can actually be proven. On twitter someone asked Abby why she has a problem with Chloe, she posted that she "loves the kid and wishes that she was hers, but she doesn't like Christi", and she responded that 1) She works with Chloe a lot but editing cuts it out 2) She has a really difficult time working with Christi and preshow, Chloe had a lot of opportunities that Christi chose not to take advantage of and 3) Christi didn't bring Chloe to class at all in September and has spotty attendance on Tuesday for taping. That follows with the schedule that's posted on the site, since their classes are listed as Monday and Wednesday.
I also think that limited exposure to Abby in the past is why the kids don't seem really intimidated by her.
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 2:49 PM
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 3:09 PM
Holly is experienced in talking to people that are out of control and making her point known calmly and that makes Abby nuts.
ITA, Meatball77. My husband is a school principal and I can't tell you how frustrating it is to argue with him! I'll be in the heat of the moment, and he can be sitting there cool as a cucumber, making complete sense. It has to come from being in a position where you are verbally abused by enraged parents on a regular basis. In fact, he and all of his colleagues have to take continuing education classes called "Crucial Conversations" which teach them how to communicate with people who are full-on bringing the crazy.
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 4:13 PM
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Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 5:54 PM
I can see it being worth it to give Maddie a scholarship, even with Mia Michaels, though-there are a lot of little girls who haven't watched SYTYCD, but who know who Maddie is-and moms who would LOVE to believe their little girls have that level of skill.
Outside of SYTYCD Mia teaches around the country at conventions and private studios. She sees strong young dancers all year long that match or exceed Maddie's ability. Maddie's technique is nothing extraordinary for Mia Michaels to show extra consideration. Don't get me wrong, she is very talented but as shown throughout the season and at the ballet audition she has some technical foundation issues.
Some of those programs give scholarships to the top half or 3/4 of girls who audition to encourage their parents to think they're special and send them to the program.
Absolutely, getting a "scholarship" isn't necessarily prestigious.
Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 6:23 AM
Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 11:41 AM
Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 12:20 PM
If Maddie's scholarship to the LA Joffrey isn't thought of as prestigious or well earned, then I would say that Chloe's is even less so. Maddie's wasn't written in to the story line, and took place off camera. Chloe's was a full on Dance Moms scripted and likely sponsored one.
There seems to be quite a bit happening that we never see. Strangely, the only girl listed on Abby's site as being given a Joffrey scholarship is someone named Hope Roberts (who isn't even on the show).
Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 2:23 PM
If Maddie's scholarship to the LA Joffrey isn't thought of as prestigious or well earned, then I would say that Chloe's is even less so.
You are 100% correct. The whole audition storyline was seen as as ridiculous by those of us in the dance world.
Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 8:48 PM
The girls performed this without Brooke/Kenzie/Kendall back in early days and with another dark-skinned girl. Only very slight differences from the gun dance- same costumes and everything...
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