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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 12:02 PM

romantic, I personally couldn't really spot him with any certainty.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 1:49 PM

Just jumping on to this topic way late but whatever.

I was so sure I was going to love this show, because I'm a Broadway slut, and I used to like Glee (before it got crappy) and Megan Hilty is the best (I totally do NOT have her on a calendar in my bedroom right now, what do you mean?), but bleh.

Got through the pilot and found it okay... watched the second episode and it was crap. Like, really, just a big black hole of suck.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 2:59 PM

zumpee, I think your intense dislike of McPhee is totally coloring how you see Karen. It's been 6 years, maybe if you let it go the character won't bother you so much.


I very much doubt I would ever care for any character getting so heavily pimped while displaying such mediocrity in talent, blandness of personality, sense of entitlement and lack of dedication in securing the role.

Also, McPhee is hardly the only thing I object to in this show: the songs are bad, the plot was old when doughboys returned home from WWI and I fail to see the Marilyn fascination. I do like Hilty and Davenport. I did like Debra Messing, but think she's basically playing Grace yet again and it (like much of this) is seriously tired. I also hate the blatant cynicism of overt I-Tunes gold mining. Especially when it doesn't really fit.

That said, had they perhaps cast someone really, really gifted as the lead---things might be better. But I'd still find it pretty silly and weak.

Vote for the Worst had nothing to do with McPhee losing Idol. The same negatives people feel about Kat in this role (that she's not bad but not great/no there there) were at play during her Idol run in 2006 and put a limit on the amount of fan support she was ever giong to get. And the Soul Patrol thing with Taylor Hicks was a real phenomenon, he was even parodied on SNL. Would Smash be so lucky as to get on their radar.


I'll agree about McPhee's meh factor playing into her loss---but Taylor Hicks was always to me America's drunk uncle at a wedding and I never saw HIS appeal (other than as something to laugh at), either.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 3:14 PM

The entire show is much like McPhee's Idol season, boring, cliched and endless Kat pimping, just BEGGING us to see that Kat McPhee/Karen is the most wonderfulest/specialist/awesomest girl EVER, in every possible way. Problem is...she isn't.


I watched McPhee's season on Idol, was rooting for her to win, and I didn't see that all. If anything, I think it was Daughtry that got pushed down the audience's throats more than McPhee, or anyone else for that matter. McPhee was the strongest woman in that season's Top 12, so I wasn't surprised she went as far as she did. But there was no way she was winning against the Soul Patrol. Or anyone, for that matter, no one else had a chance.

I don't think the show begs desperately enough to root for Karen. She was awful in her dance workshops because she doesn't practice enough. She was stupid enough to not ask her director for 2 minutes to call her boyfriend when she already had the phone in her hand. She was horrible in that Dimaggio scene because she hasn't studied Marilyn enough. I think the writers have put enough "flaws" in her character that are really the cause of her own wrongdoings of not thinking more or not being matured enough, rather than just pure bad luck happening to the character and thus wanting the audience to root for her because she is perfect and likable but everything around her isn't.

I still like the show. There are a few clunkers on the last episode - hated the didn't call the boyfriend part as much as all of you did and hated that Ivy ended up sleeping with Derek. I just wished that the show didn't have to go there, because even if Karen has some raw, untapped potential that some of the bosses can see, it's not too impossible that Ivy still gets the role on her own merits. I think the show has potential, but is still trying to find its footing. Love the relationship of Julia and Tom, and Tom and Ivy as well. I'm not in either Team Karen vs. Team Ivy - I'm actually interested to see what happens to them both. What will Karen do that she lost the first big time role she auditioned for? And how will Ivy handle being the big star finally? I think if the writing gets tightened up, those two storylines juxtaposed with each other can really make for an interesting season.

Edited by slowpoked, Feb 20, 2012 @ 3:20 PM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 4:45 PM

I don't think the show begs desperately enough to root for Karen. She was awful in her dance workshops because she doesn't practice enough. She was stupid enough to not ask her director for 2 minutes to call her boyfriend when she already had the phone in her hand. She was horrible in that Dimaggio scene because she hasn't studied Marilyn enough. I think the writers have put enough "flaws" in her character that are really the cause of her own wrongdoings of not thinking more or not being matured enough, rather than just pure bad luck happening to the character and thus wanting the audience to root for her because she is perfect and likable but everything around her isn't.


Actually, the problem for me isn't that we're not seeing Karen's flaws. It's that we're seeing too many of her flaws and not enough of her virtues. For some reason, people were still pulling for Karen after the workshop week, and I don't know why. She was slow on choreography (spelled out by the show) and awful in her scene work (again, spelled out by the show--we don't even know if she ever nailed the scene). The quotes upthread paraphrase Rebeck as saying they picked Ivy because no Broadway show would cast someone so green in the lead, but the problem IMHO isn't that Karen's resume is light; it's that she's simply not good enough yet.

Right now, the show is not giving me a good reason for why I should root for her other than that she's one of the protagonists. I don't see her working hard or smart (at either theater or her day job). She's got loving parents and a dream boyfriend--who she doesn't actually seem to be treating that well. Everything hinged on us in the audience seeing that Beautiful audition the way the show's characters did and that's just not a good idea with something as subjective as singing. I like McPhee's voice and I enjoyed that scene, but I didn't get the raw star power out of her that would have me back her as a diamond in the rough. And while I think I would have gotten that out of Hilty (had roles been reversed)--or out of Lea Michele or Seyfried or some of the other names bandied about for different casting--it seems likely that other people in the audience wouldn't have. Technical skill is not subjective but charisma is (to an extent... we all seem to agree about Davenport's charisma). IMHO, it's just a bad idea to hinge so much on a scene. The text should support Karen as rootable in other ways.

On a different topic, I really hope we get more of Tom, Julia, and Derek. I love Tom and Julia's working partnership, and I am fascinated by Derek. He's skeazy as heck, but he also doesn't seem to be simply skeazy. He didn't punish Karen for rejecting him, for example, and he rejected the surer thing to stay with Marilyn. I think Derek and Tom are the freshest characters on the show. Julia's less unique, but I do like her outside of the stupid adoption plotline.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 6:03 PM

Maverick, blahahahah, I totally agree. What a creepy kid. What a bizarre twist in that adoption plotline. Is the son developmentally challenged? What kid over the age of 9 would give a shit that his parents had decided not to adopt a baby? I felt like Debra was looking at him like he was Damien or Rosemary's Baby after he came out with that shit.

I do love that Karen's not perfect and Ivy's not the villain. Ivy's working hard for the part, congenial to Karen when she sees her at rehearsal, dealing with parental issues, humble even when she has so many Broadway connections. And Karen's a bitch to her supportive, possibly gay boyfriend, and not a great dancer. Glad there's not a clear good girl/bad girl, at least.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 6:08 PM

Even with the warning, I plan to watch tonight's episode. I am hoping less committed viewers will have other engagements, if it is as bad as we are told. If the series finds its solid ground in later episodes, I want there to still be an audience left to support it.

romantic idiot, Alex Wong was definitely in the pilot. He did an interview last year talking about it. Unfortunately, as you likely know, he tore his Achilles Tendon for the second time sometime afterwards so he likely won't return to the show, assuming he even continues to stay in dance.

Since Alex is a part of the cast of the new Broadway run of Newsies (along with SYTYCD alums Evan Kasprzak, Jess Leprotto and Thayne Jasperson), I would assume he is good to go on the dancing front. Newsies choreography is quite athletic, so his Achilles had better be in good shape. They had first rehearsals all last week. Alex was in the Smash baseball number, both the rehearsal shots and the stage shots.

Ellenore and Jess taped a dance sequence a week or two ago and someone posted that it should be in "episode 12", late in the season. Both may appear in other episodes. (I have two Twitter-connected nieces, so I'm up on these things).

Edit: romantic idiot, I just checked and Alex can be seen at the very beginning of the b-ball rehearsal sequence, before the directors enter. The choreographer is counting "5 6 7 8" and Alex is fairly close to the camera. He dances mostly on the left side for the rest of the time and also helps lift Ivy somewhere in there. Grey sleeveless top, black shorts. Hope that helps!

Edited by imthatguy, Feb 20, 2012 @ 7:05 PM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 6:54 PM

Actually, the problem for me isn't that we're not seeing Karen's flaws. It's that we're seeing too many of her flaws and not enough of her virtues.


Thanks, that's what was bugging me. The lack of texting her boyfriend, the difficulty dancing, etc. are symptoms of that, but I think we're supposed to be so moved by her beauty and talent that we overlook those flaws.

On American Idol, we saw some of her identity--it was "nice musical theater woman crosses over into pop" (nice, because she periodically thanked the band, and dealt with some way out-there rumors* with incredulity but not anger.) When she was on Community, she was playing someone cold and manipulative, but she could turn it on and off when she needed to.

Here, being mostly told the good things and shown the bad causes a credibility gap. That's especially true if you don't love her singing (and I liked it a lot)--the less you *love* it, the less you're willing to look past her character's flaws. Even liking isn't enough: love is blind, but "like" isn't. (Personally, I loved "Call Me", because I've had job searches like that.)

They could have had her text "I'll be there as soon as I can" rather than "I'm on my way." Or have her cel-phone battery die because she forgot to charge it/turn the ringer on/etc. Musicals are going to seem implausible enough without sloppy writing making it worse.

* Which some of us are really sorry about and hoping she doesn't carry a grudge.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 10:27 PM

Debra Messing and Christian Borle are very convincing as a team and have nice chemistry. I really wish they made the Debra Messing character single and concentrated more on her work relationship with Borle.

Debra Messing was a nice surprise in this role. I couldn't stand her in her OTT Will and Grace days, so when I saw the Smash posters on the subway I was like, "Megan Hilty? Awesome! Christian Borle? Yay! ...Aw shit, Debra Messing's in this." But she's pleasantly toned down and layered here, and indeed has great buddy chemistry with Christian Borle.

He's skeazy as heck, but he also doesn't seem to be simply skeazy. He didn't punish Karen for rejecting him, for example, and he rejected the surer thing to stay with Marilyn.

Both good points. Even though I still think Derek's a sleazeball, he makes for a very interesting character. I'm hoping the show doesn't go down the Derek/Karen hookup route, because that would be so predictable. I also didn't experience a "Girl, nooooo" reaction when Ivy hooked up with Derek, because she's supposedly in it for pleasure (perhaps she did it because she thinks he's hot!) rather than for "career opportunities," which seems the obvious motivation.

Talent/entitlement/attitude issues aside, I mostly want to see Karen want it more. Her ambitions seem broad at the moment; "I want this because it is a good gig" rather than "I want this because I'm passionate about theater/the material/the subject." I don't see a love of the art.

That aside, Kristen Bell and Amanda Seyfried would've been fabulous in the role.

Edited by My Iron Lung, Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:49 PM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:06 PM

Ok I gave it three episodes but it's the dialogue that's going to kill my interest. The concept is good, the music is decent but the insipid scene lines are awful.

Last week's teenage rant ("You promised me a sibling!") and this week's Derek/Ivy nonsense ("my downstairs neighbors made it so I have no gas", "Oh and here silly me was thinking you were just using me. All's good!") make me wonder what the hell the critic's are thinking when they call this good tv.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:09 PM

And... I'm done. Gave it 3 episodes and I think it 's getting exponentially worse. The writing is awful - not witty, not intelligent, not much of anything but about 3 degrees too twee - ABC afterschool special style. And not in the "yes we know we're corny" way that a show like Glee does it - this is trying to be serious but is unintentionally corny. That "Mr and Mrs Smith" song they just did - I think I strained an ocular nerve rolling my eyes too many times. I think the character of Derek is the most likeable one there - possibly because he's the only one with believable snark. Katharine McPhee - really not a very good actress. I'm disappointed, I really wanted to like it. Meh.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:10 PM

This might sound funny but when Messings' character confessed the affair to her writing partner and tried to explain it with "He was so good in our show and that's such a turnon" did it sound... narcissistic to anyone else? Just me? Okay.

I am just not getting interested in Karen's storyline because I'm not really seeing anything new about life in acting. The same plot that she has I saw on a lot of shows growing up. The. Very. Same. I'm probably learning more about working on Broadway from this thread. Karen's conversation with Derek didn't help me be more sympathetic to her after I'd read here how lucky she is to have finally gotten a role onstage. Any role.

The fact that Derek hasn't brought Ivy to his apartment makes me suspect he never planned on giving Karen the role(if he could help it, he was one vote).

I didn't mind the assistant before, now I just find him an irritating Iago.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:11 PM

Well that was pretty boring. As soon as Debra Messing has doubt about the Joe DiMaggio guy I was like they had a an affair.

Why does Marilyn have to look so much like Marylin but Joe doesn't have to look like Joe at all?

Also McPhee going home added nothing.

Songs were really boring.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:12 PM

As Debra Messing says, "Sometimes people working on a show together have sex." Indeed, Debra. She and Will Chase recently split from their spouses and are now dating, so their onscreen lingering glances apparently got them all stirred up in real life.

The evil scheming assistant is too much; all the plotting and lurking and stealing and hiding are preposterous, but I can get into it as Dallas-type soapy fun. I cannot, however, accept that he's supposed to be straight.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:18 PM

I really enjoyed the first episode. The second one, less so (really, they re-hired that asshat assistant after he stole that footage? Really? And she couldn't take 30 seconds to text her boyfriend that she got called back in to rehearsals? Really?)

But I hated tonight. The sneaky assistant stealing the notebook, the sneaky assistant mouthing off to Debra Messing's character, Debra Messing's character allowing her ex-lover to be cast in the show, the third Manhattan toss, the country-western song, the "Bruno Mars" song. Ugh. I hated it all. But most of all I hated Debra Messing's character (whose name I have obviously not bothered to learn) confessing to a double-secret affair while the sneaky assistant was in the apartment. I spent that whole scene thinking, "oh, i guess she did order him out of the apartment after all because clearly should would not talk about something that super sensitive with the sneaky assistant around." Wrong. Stupid. Unrealistic. Hated it.

What a shame. I had high hopes.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:37 PM

I intend on being patient. Scripted series (particularly, nay, especially on network) take a while to get going. It takes a while for shows to find their rhythm, especially one with as many moving parts as this, so I'm not going to write it off after three episodes. A pilot is easy because it is a one-off. Figuring out what can go into each week, what characters work, what don't, how to integrate music etc etc takes a bit of time. If it doesn't improve by say episode 5 or 6, then I'll start to pass judgement, or stop watching and come back if I hear it gets better But I still don't think this show has many problems that aren't fixable.

And yes, that's my way of saying I wasn't the biggest fan of this episode. :)

Also, I really don't get the suggestion that Messing is playing Grace again. I couldn't stand her there but think she's far more naturalistic and well, toned down, in this. As in she's actually good. I expected to like Huston and Davenport, but I never thought before the show I'd be listing Messing as one of the things the show has going for it. But obviously EMMV.

Edited by boewyr, Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:38 PM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:37 PM

It really bothered me, too, that Julia didn't send the slimy assistant on an errand run before confessing something so personal. We could all see the eavesdropping (and, I'm sure, subsequent blackmail) coming a mile away. Perhaps five miles. And of course, he's practically twirling his Evil Mustache. It bothers me that this show seems to be okay with letting characters do stupid things (like Karen not texting her boyfriend) in order to set up the soap-opera style drama. It would be far more interesting if they tried to do the right thing and it backfired on them anyway.

Everything connected with Karen is so generic. She has generic parents, a generic house-where-she-grew-up, a gaggle of generic friends straight off the cutting room floor of Sweet Home Alabama, and performs a decent-sounding-but-generic version of Redneck Woman, the words of which I don't buy for a second coming out of her mouth. It's like the setup for a Lifetime movie before the main character gets offed by her generic abusive ex-husband.

I liked the Mr. and Mrs. Smith number, because from what I've read about Marilyn and DiMaggio, both of them, not really having a lot of self-awareness, apparently, really believed they were going to settle down and have a nice, normal, 50s-style marriage. It does bother me that the guy looks nothing like DiMaggio at all, though. DiMaggio was an American hero and all, but he wasn't hunky. I think it loses something if the actor looks so handsome and actor-y in a role like that, but maybe that's just me.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:37 PM

Well, I don't know about the episode, but I loved, loved that song at the end. It made up for the silly karaoke scene and the cliché friends Karen has.

I don't know what to think about Derek. He seems to like Ivy. I really, really want him to fall for her, mainly because Megan Hilty is wonderful. But I'm scared they're setting him up to fall for Karen.

I hate the assistant. Hate, hate him. Get off my screen, Ellis !

I agree with the poster who said Christian Borle and Debra Messing have wonderful chemistry. They play off each other really well.

I'm glad they adressed the money issue. It's pretty realistic, even if some parts of the show aren't.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:46 PM

I cannot, however, accept that he's supposed to be straight.


I know, right? Such a waste of Condola Rashad,too. I'd much rather see her as an ensemble member in the workshop.

I liked Rebeck's Mauritius, but this and her recent play Seminar were really predictable. I think they made the wrong choice in playwright - which Speilberg apparently chose after seeing her play "The Understudy." Please hire Bob Martin or David Ives next time.

Edited by OptimisticCynic, Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:55 PM.

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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:02 AM

I cannot, however, accept that he's supposed to be straight.

Oh, Rinaldo, I repeatedly had that thought rise to the fore in my viewing tonight.
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:27 AM

Trying to justify still watching this, and decided "Drinking Game" -- everytime Anjelica throws a drink n her ex-husband's face, let's all take a drink. Loved that continuing bit.

It seems rather ironic that the creator states that they had to cast the veteran in their fictional play, yet the show itself casts . . . McPhee, NOT A VETERAN. Kat's "RedNeck Woman" was under-whelming and, if possible, she is even less interesting in this episode.

Also, too many stupid things being done by smart people; i.e., why wouldn't the assistant be required to sign a confidentiality agreement when hired? Derek even attempting to spit out the story of the broken gas pipe in his apartment -- and Ivy believing it!

"Joe DiMaggio"'s voice in the duet was reallly, really good, and I'm staying for that, and for Anjelica.
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:29 AM

Caught up on the second episode now, and just watched the third one. First let me get this out of the way: LMAO at the "The Bruno Mars Show at LaMama"! I'm going to be scraping cheese residue off my TV for days.

Oh, and did the "Mrs. And Mrs. Smith" song make anyone else think of "Somewhere That's Green" from Little Shop Of Horrors? (minus the irony, of course)

The show seems to be losing some steam with each episode, and I hate to say it but I think the problem is McPhee. I wasn't familiar with her before this, and thought she did ok in the pilot, but by the third episode it's become very clear to me that she's out of her league here. She sings nicely (though they seem to put more effects on her vocals than on the others), but her acting is way below par. Megan Hilty is just blowing her out of the water in every respect, as are the other actors.

I actually kind of liked that there wasn't as much music in this episode (or so it seemed) and that they took the time to flesh out the characters more, even if it did serve to point up McPhee's weaknesses in more detail. But I agree with this, from Lulah:

Everything connected with Karen is so generic. She has generic parents, a generic house-where-she-grew-up, a gaggle of generic friends straight off the cutting room floor of Sweet Home Alabama, and performs a decent-sounding-but-generic version of Redneck Woman, the words of which I don't buy for a second coming out of her mouth. It's like the setup for a Lifetime movie before the main character gets offed by her generic abusive ex-husband.

Karen is turning out to be a not very interesting character, played by a not very interesting actress. Which is a big problem, since she's one of the leads.

Other thoughts:

I like Will Chase, who plays the actor cast as Joe DiMaggio, but I agree that it's weird that he has the wrong physical look for the part.

The evil eavesdropping assistant is truly insufferable, but he's such a deliciously idiotic character that I really want him to stay around awhile longer and keep doing ever more heinous things until he finally gets the mother of all smackdowns, because that will be so worth it when it happens. I'm envisioning him being tarred, feathered and dropped into an active volcano, though I'm sure the writers won't go that far (please, though?).

Which brings me to the writers. Uyyy. I think this show has some first rate actors in it, but the dialogue they're being forced to speak is abysmal.

it's the dialogue that's going to kill my interest. The concept is good, the music is decent but the insipid scene lines are awful.


Sanlynn, I couldn't agree more.

I was going to comment about the second episode as well, since I watched it just before this one, but now I realize that other than the fact that Ivy got the part of Marilyn and Karen didn't, I don't remember anything about it.

Edited by CatsWithAxes, Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:47 AM.

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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:33 AM

I'm watching the show for Derek. I find him a complex, flawed-but-always-interesting character. Gas leak problems, my great Aunt Fanny... Loved the Brit-off and loved how Karen's boyfriend forced the sophisticated Derek into this ridiculous, testosterone-y bickering that would be so foreign to his usual life.

I cannot stand the assistant's smug face. And given his history and general demeanor, why would Julia not immediately suspect him in the case of the missing notebook? I'm getting ready to board the assistant hate train, Destination: Lawsuit; Next stop: Blackmail. Ugh!
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:49 AM

What was the point of Evil Assistant Sweater Man stealing Julia's notebook? The thing that seems to chap his hide is the fact that it was "his" idea and reading her notebook would have no impact on that. Speaking of which, where would he stand legally? I mean does "hey, you guys should do a musical based on [well-known cultural icon]" really count as an idea? If so, if I was him I would wait 'til the musical actually got on stage and started making some money to really start kicking up a fuss. At the moment, his carry-on might serve either to derail the production (I mean there are enough problems already without adding some nascent legal wrangle) or to get him fired. I'd say nothing but compile whatever evidence I could that it was my idea that got things rolling (admittedly I've no idea what that evidence would be.) That said, I do not like Evil Sweater Man at all and *especially* do not like the way he spoke to Julia. In her place I would have pushed past him to get to her friend, or else said "yes, that's it, go make a cup of tea" and then walk in to see her friend. Sweater Man is really overplaying his hand here and antagonizing someone important needlessly. And what a weasel!
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 12:56 AM

I think I'm done with this show. The writing is stupid. When it's not being stupid, it's boring. It's a shame cuz it's a good concept and cast.
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 1:03 AM

Speaking of which, where would he stand legally? I mean does "hey, you guys should do a musical based on [well-known cultural icon]" really count as an idea?

I don't know law, but I'm guessing he wouldn't have the proverbial leg to stand on. I don't think you can copyright an idea, and anyway, as was pointed out in the first episode, it wasn't an original idea - there had already been a musical about Marilyn Monroe tried before, which Tom and Julia knew about. It's not like the assistant gave Tom and Julia any of his own creative work product which they're now appropriating and claiming as their own. I don't think simply saying to someone "why don't you write something about (insert subject here)?" legally qualifies as an artistic contribution to the resulting project.

BUT - maybe that's the reason he took Julia's notebook. Perhaps he's copied some of the stuff he found in there, and is now going to try and make it look as if he wrote it first, and she stole it from him.

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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 1:03 AM

Speaking of which, where would he stand legally? I mean does "hey, you guys should do a musical based on [well-known cultural icon]" really count as an idea?


He has no copyright claim since copyright doesn't protect ideas, merely the expression of them. He could try some sort of unjust enrichment / promissory estoppel claim ("I gave them my idea because they led me to believe I would get some money/credit in return!") but he doesn't really have any proof to back it up (plus, that isn't even what happened, he just volunteered the idea). But since productions often try to avoid bad press, he might just blackmail them for money/credit rather than go the legal route.

In real life writers/producers take great pains to avoid other people telling them potential ideas to avoid these kinds of claims. They generally refuse to open/hear unsolicited script or story ideas without a signed consent to use form. Some keep dated records of brainstorming or scripts to show the idea was their own. I have even heard of writers mailing ideas/scripts to themselves so the postal stamp will show the date they wrote the script / had the idea.
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 1:06 AM

Karen is turning out to be a not very interesting character, played by a not very interesting actress.


It's the first part of this sentence that bothers me more. If we don't know any more about Karen even after seeing her back home with her family and friends, that's a writing problem. This tells me one of two things. Maybe the show is deliberately hiding things about her, though they're not so much as hinting at that right now. Or maybe the show is going all-in on the idea that we're supposed to root for her just because she wants it or something -- which would make this all a complete waste of time and effort.

Either way, there's only so much an actress can do with that. And I admit McPhee is doing none of it ... she's just not very dynamic (or, not to beat around the bush, interesting). But I think the problem is deeper.
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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 1:21 AM

Well I'm also three strikes and out. Wanted to like it but I don't watch shows with bad writing. I think all the actors are just fine, including McPhee. But the writing is really really bad and with that being the case, I just don't see the show getting better.
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HelloooKitty

HelloooKitty

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Posted Feb 21, 2012 @ 1:59 AM

What happened to Karen's shoes when she was singing karaoke? She was barefoot! Ew!

Edited by HelloooKitty, Feb 21, 2012 @ 2:00 AM.

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