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Posted Oct 4, 2011 @ 9:10 PM

So someone might end up on the list multiple days if they aren't saved?
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Posted Oct 5, 2011 @ 1:33 AM

I don't know that much about how intelligence is collected but chatter is just the accumulation of data, a lot of which is just junk, like the guy saying he'd kill for the job. The machine can't differentiate between all the ways the word "kill" is used so the name shows up on the list but very low on it.

Now if the guy literally meant he'd kill for the job the next day there would be more pings to his SSN, so if he has 10 pings he's now a more serious name on the list and bumps up well above the meaningless chatter. Day three he's into his plan to "kill" for the job and his name is probably at the top of the list.

But the conversation between Reese and Finch at the beginning of this past episode makes it sound like not every number at the top of the list becomes a case since every day there's a list but that doesn't mean it's always the same number at the top.
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Posted Oct 5, 2011 @ 1:43 PM

Finally able to sit down and watch the second episode and I'm still likinig it. I like that Reese is trying to get to know Finch and find out more about him. I also like that Finch is trying to keep him at arm's length, despite telling the girl that she was going to have to trust someone eventually.

Goodwin, huh? You can't swing a dead cat anymore without hitting a former LOST actor. I was a bit confused on who he was in relation to Finch. Just the public face of the company since everyone supposedly thinks that Finch is dead? Did he have a name b/c I obviously missed it.
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Posted Oct 5, 2011 @ 1:55 PM

The machine can't differentiate between all the ways the word "kill" is used so the name shows up on the list but very low on it.


Actually the computer would be able to identify common idioms and other types of obviously low priority uses of target words. Context sensitivity is getting better all the time and we're obviously supposed to believe that Finch's work is way ahead and very accurate, so I think it's far to assume that the computer does understand the different uses of words like "kill".
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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 7:01 AM

This is my new favorite show. I hope Reese keeps trying to find out more about Finch in tonight's episode. :-)
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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 9:04 PM

So like Lost, the show uses flashbacks to sloooowly fill in the background of both Reese and Finch. And it looks like 'Elias' will be a multi-ep arc.
The most amazing thing in this ep was when Carter(Former MP?) and co. actually waited for backup when the gang hit the mob casino. Sure it helped them get away, but still.
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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:27 PM

This show really doesn't need Carter. And either she didn't deserve the Oscar nod for whatever role she got it for, or this is the wrong kind of role for her. Her acting is showing. Or maybe the writing for her character is clunky. Hard to tell.

Does anyone else think these plots are woven together kind of sloppily?

Regardless, still would watch Emerson in anything. To the bitter end.
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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:37 PM

If Carter sole job is to show up SECONDS after Reese leaves the scene, then there's no purprose for her character.

Good episode tonight. Some good background into Finch's character.

Is Reese really enough to deal with the numbers the machine spits out? It seems he's only good for, at most, one foiled crime a day. Finch should really have some other people working on this. The scene where JC and the other guy get into the fight with the Wall Street guys was ridiculous though.


Realistically, Finch should have multiple agents. The machine spits out a new name every 18 hours. Reese's missions usually take longer than that so they must have more names that "fall through the cracks." Although finding the right people can't be easy. They need the special training and Finch also needs to make sure that they are trustworthy. I'm interested to see what the deal is with this Elias character.

Edited by benteen, Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:38 PM.

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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:39 PM

I love these guys! Reese poking at Finch, trying to get a reaction . . . Finch not giving him anything, but still not completely immune, trying to do push ups to get exercise, as Reese suggested . . . Reese confused, yet also amused, by Finch -- actually, 'bemused' is the perfect word for Reese's attitude. It feels like their interactions with each other are gelling.

While I am less interested in Carter's pursuit of Reese than I am in the Reese/Finch dynamic, at least she was relevant to the plot this time. And, once again, the show made me care about a pretty predictable happy ending for the person being investigated.
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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:50 PM

How in the hell did Finch beat Reese and the robbers to the location? Either the robbers were taking their sweet ass time getting there, they really needed to prepare, or were stuck in traffic; or Finch has also invented the teleporter alongside the computer.

That nitpick out of the way, still enjoying the show and I liked this episode. The story of the week was interesting enough, but mainly I'm still digging the interactions between Reese and Finch. JC and Emerson have a natural rapport with each other that I'm really enjoying. And I thought this episode injected some needed humor into it, like Reese having fun with Finch at the beginning and whatnot. I hope they keep it up.

I have to agree that I'm not feeling Carter and while I usually like Taraji, I just don't find her believable in this role for some reason.

The flashbacks aren't bugging me as badly as some other shows (Pan Am's are more disjointing), I have grown tired of them. Thanks, Lost.

Forgot the character's name, but the actor playing the solider who was intense and really needed money was Keith Nobbs, who I just saw on The Black Donnelly's DVD as Joey "Ice Cream."

Gold Star of Stupidity goes to banker who thought it was a bright idea to get testy with a former solider who just warned him to back off. Be glad it was just a head smash and not Reese's special "bullet to the kneecap."

So, they have a multi/overall arc for this season with this "Ellias"? Wonder what that will be about. 50/50 chance it will be someone from Lost again.

Edited by thuganomics85, Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:52 PM.

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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:56 PM

In the first episode, the person of interest was the perpetrator of crime; in last week's, Theresa was the victim. Tonight, the PofI was BOTH the perp and sort of a victim, at lease in Reese's eyes. Reese was trying to to get Joey to not make the same mistake with his loved one that he made in the flashback. He's working on his own redemption as well as that of others.
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Posted Oct 6, 2011 @ 10:56 PM

I'm guessing Finch limits it to a single agent (Reese) because of trust issues.

Maybe Elias killed Jessica?
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 12:57 AM

The story of the week was interesting enough, but mainly I'm still digging the interactions between Reese and Finch. JC and Emerson have a natural rapport with each other that I'm really enjoying. And I thought this episode injected some needed humor into it, like Reese having fun with Finch at the beginning and whatnot. I hope they keep it up.


Not sure I'm seeing any natural rapport between Finch and Reese, but I did appreciate the bits of humor; more please!

I could look at Caviezel all day long but I am getting a little tired of his unnaturally low (as in quiet) speaking voice; I have to back up the DVR sometimes to catch his lines. And what did they do to his hair? It looks "thinned," and I want the rest back.

Nitpicks: Why did Jessica say "we're moving back East" when it appeared she ran into Reese in NYC? Where is she moving to, France? And, why did he even bother saying "wait for me" at the end after she walked away? I am having a hard time buying their whole hot & heavy romance, even if it was 10 years ago. Maybe I'm missing something....

Edited by stuckintraffic, Oct 7, 2011 @ 12:59 AM.

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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 1:37 AM

Although I did like the previous episodes, I didn't like this one. It's funny, I don't mind Reese shooting people in the knee caps and kicking ass, him participating in the (failed) casino robbery and stealing from the evidence locker didn't sit well with me. Just seemed wrong.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 6:47 AM

I think if they keep Carter for the entire season, she will mysteriously disappear from the cast over the summer. It's an old plot device that there is a cop/reporter trying to locate the vigilante and bring him to justice/expose him. Unfortunately, the character is usually periphery and adds nothing to the story. You usually find this character dropped when they rework the cast for whatever reason.

Yeah, they are going to have to add more agents. No way Finch can do all he wants to do with just one guy. He wants to save everyone, knows realistically he can't (what about people who are NOT in NYC?) but his reasons for wanting to will drive him to save as many as he can.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 7:11 AM

I wouldn't want to see more agents added to the show. That would turn it into an ensemble show, and one of the reasons I love POI is because it's not an ensemble show. I like that it's about the two guys.

I don't think Finch is planning on trying to help people in trouble in all 50 states. I don't think it would be possible for him to do this without the show needing a ton of spinoffs. So, he's just concentrating on helping people in the city that he built the machine to cover.

I somehow missed who "Elias" is. Was he mentioned in last week's episode, too? Could this be the name of Finch's partner who died?
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 7:20 AM

I somehow missed who "Elias" is. Was he mentioned in last week's episode, too? Could this be the name of Finch's partner who died?


"Elias" was the name on the evidence stolen from the lockup. The crime appeared to be about a murder of a woman. We don't know who the final recipient of the evidence was yet.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 7:59 AM

Thanks Trey. I think I'll watch the episode again, which I wanted to do anyway. :-)
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 8:09 AM

Although I did like the previous episodes, I didn't like this one. It's funny, I don't mind Reese shooting people in the knee caps and kicking ass, him participating in the (failed) casino robbery and stealing from the evidence locker didn't sit well with me. Just seemed wrong.

I am assuming that they needed this episode to reinforce/establish the main theme of "we could get caught by the police at any time". I doubt that we'll see our guys in this sort of situation very often, if at all, in the future.

We got two more big picture things to chew on this week. First we got to see JC's lost love, so we now know he's dealing with that somewhere in his jacked up mind. Second, it looks like we were introduced to a shadowy big bad guy. I wonder if this will just be a multi-episode arc, or if we are looking at long term nemesis.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 9:00 AM

I'm hoping that having Finch doing push ups indicates that he's going to heal a bit over time. Though I understand that JC is the braun and Finch is the brains, I think Finch is going to have to get a little more physically involved with the cases.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 9:46 AM

<sobs>This show is so boring!</sobs>

There is almost no point of interest in this show. The cases are standard procedural fare. Talented actors aren't given a chance to shine. I have no investment in the characters. I really, really want to stop watching this, but I endure it anyway because part of me wants to be present when/if the show finally finds it's feet like Fringe did after ten episodes, but I don't know if I can wait that long.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 10:03 AM

I wouldn't want to see more agents added to the show. That would turn it into an ensemble show, and one of the reasons I love POI is because it's not an ensemble show. I like that it's about the two guys.

I'd like it if we saw that there were other agents but Finch keeps them nice and seperate so Reese only occasionally sees that they are out there.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 10:03 AM

I really enjoyed this episode and I think they are getting better. Having JC on the "inside" was compelling & I was miffed when commercials came on because I was so wrapped up in the story. (Always a good sign of a well written show)

We got two more big picture things to chew on this week. First we got to see JC's lost love, so we now know he's dealing with that somewhere in his jacked up mind.

I wish they would show why his long lost love left in the first place. Was that ever revealed? I can't really remember.

For the most part I find the back stories of JC mildly amusing. I don't know why but they just aren't that compelling to me. The back story on Finch is much more interesting IMO.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 10:38 AM

How in the hell did Finch beat Reese and the robbers to the location? Either the robbers were taking their sweet ass time getting there, they really needed to prepare, or were stuck in traffic; or Finch has also invented the teleporter alongside the computer.


If the gang was in Brooklyn and Finch was close to the subway, it's possible, I guess.

Nitpicks: Why did Jessica say "we're moving back East" when it appeared she ran into Reese in NYC?


I think they met in passing in the airport. I suppose if she were living in California, she might think of it as "back East" even she were momentarily in the East.

I could look at Caviezel all day long but I am getting a little tired of his unnaturally low (as in quiet) speaking voice;


I agree about his voice, it's over the top flat and emotionless and gets to me too.

This was my second episode and I'm continuing to find it interesting.

Edited by Rickster, Oct 7, 2011 @ 10:39 AM.

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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 10:41 AM

I understood it that his long lost love never heard from him once you went to Afghanistan/Iraq (whichever) and so she moved on.

I want to be invested in this - but, they really need to give me more of JC's character - right now, he is too uninteresting to me. I want to know what makes him tick, what does he do when he's not trying to save someone, etc. He is just nothing more to me right now than a handsome blank slate. See and know plenty of those in real life and they bore me to death too.

I wouldn't mind if Carter kind of got involved with them - a bit along the lines of how the cop in the first season of Angel eventually (albeit grudgingly) found Angel's help valuable even as she was suspicious and repulsed at the same time.

But, if they just keep it at this cat and mouse game, I agree - they should get rid of the character because she brings absolutely zero to the table.

There is a good idea at the foundation of this thing - they are (for me anyway) missing in execution. and, add more humor for heaven's sake - this is all fantastical anyway, why not add some sharp wit to it. Of course, that would require better writers but the show sure could use it especially if JC is going to continue with that monotone low vocal tone.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 10:43 AM

For the most part I find the back stories of JC mildly amusing. I don't know why but they just aren't that compelling to me. The back story on Finch is much more interesting IMO.


100% agreed. And I think, for me anyway, it's because all we know about his back story is that he lost love...which...meh. Whereas with Finch it appears as though something violent happened directly to him which left him with the limp and stiff neck thing and his business partner dead. Not to mention the whole secretly working for the company he owns for 17 years? Why the double life for so long? Much more intriguing.

I don't mind story of the week shows too much, but I really wish they'd give us a little more detail into the back stories up front to reel us in with that, and then maybe lessen up on it down the road rather than less up front and more later.

As for last night's episode, when they pulled out the knife and photos out of the evidince folder I thought for certain it was going to be JC gathering evidence of this lost love's (Jessica? was that her name?) murder but that turned out to not be the case. It would have been fascinating if not only was Finch using JC to stop the crimes but also if JC was using Finch to get what he wants, if that makes sense, since what we see now is more of a relationship where Finch is boss and JC works under him.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 11:47 AM

I think they found a good actress for Jessica. That's one of the requirements: if we are going to get this backstory is small chunks then this actress needs to convey the epicness of their love is a very short time and also if the lost love is what drives JC then we need to see why. I think she did both pretty well. Now they just need integrate Carter much better. She seems to trust his motives but not his methods and he needs her in order to look into this big baddie, so they need to co-operate soon. If they behave like rivals it's not going to be compelling, we need the "co-operation without trust" vibe to add more layers.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 11:55 AM

Tried for the 3rd week to get invested in this show, but they're just not giving us anything to be invested in. Whatever backstory plot they have is moving at a snail's pace. Not finding Taraji Henson very effective in her small role, either.

It also lacks humor, except I sometimes laugh at the violent predicaments JC gets himself into. Not sure if I'm supposed to be laughing. Michael Emerson is just not a presence for me in this show. He sits around while JC gets all the action.

I may watch next week. I may not. I do know that I was zoning out on this after the halfway mark last night.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 1:23 PM

I'm in. I really enjoyed last night's episode, and now that they're starting to get deeper into everyone's backstory and introduced the "Elias mystery", I think it's only going to get better.

I just wish they'd give Ben/Finch (Binch?) back his small round glasses. He just doesn't look right with different frames.
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Posted Oct 7, 2011 @ 1:44 PM

I understood it that his long lost love never heard from him once you went to Afghanistan/Iraq (whichever) and so she moved on.


And I'm understanding that if Reese went back to the military after 9/11, that she died--or killed. In last week's episode, during the flashback to 2002, I think it was, we saw the picture of Jessica, while Finch was talking to his partner.
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