Sansa Stark: Be Careful What You Ask For!
Posted Aug 15, 2013 @ 6:57 PM
Posted Aug 16, 2013 @ 3:17 AM
I don't know about that. It would be better to probably try and marry this potential Lannistark son to a Kar-Stark. That way they gain the allegiance of a 2nd house to go along with the Boltons.
And I always wonder if there's not an Uncle or Great Uncle of Ned's out there who would still have the Stark name and has passed it on to his children and grandchildren, which could be worrisome to the Lannisters?
Posted Aug 24, 2013 @ 4:49 AM
Tywin is aware though how difficult it is to hold the North as an outsider. Nobody has ever successfully managed that. To have a Stark installed there would make things easier for him. I doubt that Sansa is more than a blip on his radar though. Aside from her value as a Stark I doubt he even thinks about her.
I'm sorry, are you saying Sansa's presence would make it easier for the North to accept the rule of the outsiders who murdered her father? Her son would be the Stark in Winterfell. Tyrion would be hated there in any circumstances, but with Sansa, a daughter of Ned Stark and a Lannister in name only, at his side they can have someone else to rally around after they kill him A grandchild of Ned Stark raised as a Lannister is much less of a risk for rebellion. If Sansa were actually loyal to the Lannisters what value would she have as a Stark in Winterfell? She'd be a traitor to Ned and Robb. The northern lords would have to believe she was still a Stark for Sansa to mean anything to them, and therein lies the danger.
It's not about how much Tywin thinks of Sansa, it's whether he thinks about her hypothetical children. His personal motto is "legacy, legacy, legacy" so I think that's an indication he does plan ahead for his descendents. I imagine maesters and septas and whatnot had more to do with the day to day raising of Tywin's children after their mother died but, however busy Tywin was running the realm, I sure don't think he'd trust his children to the care of someone who wasn't Team Lannister.
Posted Aug 24, 2013 @ 5:23 AM
For all Tywin's blustering about his precious legacy, we have not actually seen him take any interest whatsoever in any of Cersei's children. He had little contact to any of them before Robert died. Now he's taking an interest in Joffrey and he despises him. But Myrcella and Tommen barely even register on his radar. He did nothing when Tyrion sent fairly young and still impressionable Myrcella off to Dorne (who are known to hate the Lannisters) and hasn't tried getting her back from there or shown any indication that he's even more than tangentially aware of her existence.
Tywin is all about his legacy and neglects to think about the individual players in that legacy, which I think is his one weakness. We can assume that Cersei brought up her kids in conformity with the Lannister values (...whatever those are), but Myrcella and Tommen seem like mostly sweet kids and Joffrey has actually been shown to be influenced by his "father". If Tywin were that interested in his descendants, he would have tried to influence their education himself. I think he wants the NAME Lannister to be valued and regarded as the most powerful of all, but cares little about the actual bearers of that name. So I can see him sending Tyrion and Sansa and their hypthetical offspring off to Winterfell where he'd never ever visit again. What he wants is Joffrey and the king's line because that means power. The north needs to be controlled so they don't have the power to stage another war or rebellion but they're pretty decimated right now and without a leader, so I think Tywin just honestly doesn't care what will happen up there as long as they leave him alone.
ETA: Whoops, this got somewhat away from me. Good idea of taking the discussion to the Tywin thread!
Edited by KatWay, Aug 25, 2013 @ 8:33 PM.
Posted Aug 25, 2013 @ 6:40 PM
I'm taking this to Tywin's thread since we've gotten somewhat offtrack from Sansa.
Posted Feb 3, 2014 @ 1:21 PM
Well with the new season on the horizon, I did a GoT rewatch and I have to say I am super curious about what's next for Sansa Stark. I know the subject is one of debate but I'm on the side that feels Sansa has done a decent job of navigating her way through very hostile waters. Considering she was raised by Ned and Catelyn Stark, that she has still managed to survive Kings Landing speaks well of her potential.
I thought she did a good job getting along with House Tyrell, whereas I think the rest of her family would have refused Lady Olenna's invitation to lunch as House Tyrell is allied with the Lannisters. She had a discrete plan in place to escape with LF but rightly chose escape VIA Marriage into a prominent Great House, which is better protection if you can get it. She was smart enough to keep LF uninformed of her plot with the Tyrells, she kept the Tyrells uninformed of her plot with LF. And she was hiding things from Shae as well.
The Lannisters than marrying her off was a shocking move against House Stark and House Tyrell. When this whole saga began I never would have imagined Sansa being married to Tyrion of all people.
I'm anxious to see how things proceed for her, with Tyrion, with House Tyrell (whom she seemed to be on friendly terms with after her wedding) as well as the rest of the Lannisters.
Sansa may not be a force of nature character but I am still VERY interested in where she goes from here.