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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 4:11 PM

With all the wiping the girls do in the caravans I notice that there are never any personal effects anywhere,do they actually live in it? What would happen if they skipped a day of wiping?

We never,(or atleast I have never) seen anyone cooking, I would think that the girls would have to learn how to cook to be a,"good wife."

Was the Barbie dress a trademark infringement, (other than an infringement on good taste)?

Those hoochie mama outfits on the young girls...oy vey.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 6:31 PM

I re-watched the episode today and found this gem I missed on first viewing: the two 8-year old communion trampettes saying they had to leave the church service because it was "boring." Have these children no parents? I mean, it's not like I don't agree with them, but when I was 8 years old, I would have NEVER dared to leave the church because it was boring. Because you know what's worse than boring? Getting your ass beat by your parents for leaving church before the service was over.

I was also fond of Communion Mary's 15-year-old cousin who cleaned her trailer wearing a tank top with her boobs brimming over the top who got all worried that if she didn't clean properly, others in the community would call her a "dirty clot." I never heard that phrase before, but I surely will be working it into some conversation somewhere.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 7:07 PM

I re-watched the episode today and found this gem I missed on first viewing: the two 8-year old communion trampettes saying they had to leave the church service because it was "boring." Have these children no parents? I mean, it's not like I don't agree with them, but when I was 8 years old, I would have NEVER dared to leave the church because it was boring. Because you know what's worse than boring? Getting your ass beat by your parents for leaving church before the service was over.


I felt slightly jealous of those carefree girls and males of all ages -- it seems to be a pretty nice life, not having to worry about schoolwork, going to church, getting into college, etc. Just play all day and for the boys, no need for qualifications, as long as they can operate heavy equipment, they've got their professional lives mapped out for them. (I wonder if their medicine bottles come with the warning: "do not operate heavy machinery"?)

As for the hygiene rules that must be followed, I can't really mock them because while they don't make sense in a modern world -- as opposed to Wagon Times -- at 62 and fairly well-educated I still separate my dishes and flatware into "meat" and "dairy" according to the laws of kashruth. I know I won't be struck dead if I don't adhere to them, but keeping to the religious and cultural rules you were taught as a child is a hard habit to break.

And "what will the neighbors think?" is still a major motivator when faced with a house to clean before company comes.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 8:12 PM

There's also a breakdown of the different travellers here and a PDF leaflet from the same website about some of their general customs here, including the cleaning stuff. I've read some stuff online comparing the mochadi customs to keeping kosher, which makes sense if you take into account that the mochadi customs stem from Hindu laws of cleanliness. I'm all for being clean, I really am, but it saddens me to see these girls yanked out of elementary or middle school so they can spend all day wiping down trailers with bleach.


Thanks for the links, Electric Boogaloo. The domestic violence information was heavy, especially the parts about how Traveller women are taught to expect violence from men, and that they are more worried about being ostracized than getting help. Hearing that traveller women worry about their exes coming to find them just echoes the same domestic violence issues we have here in America. Except, I halfway believe the ex would probably come with the woman's father, with the father trying to save face.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 8:44 PM

Well the only thing that came off worse than the Travelers/Gypsies was the British Public School system. Silly rules can be frustrating but the whole weeping and wailing and then getting their way over the limo just underscored what the talking heads with the headmaster established -- these people clearly use a mixture of thuggish entitlement and false victimhood to get their way and never mind what rules everyone else has to follow. Rules that are pretty clear from the start that these people willfully ignore. I get the pinch the teachers were put in what with cameras present and a weeping girl whose night was "ruined". But I would have stood up and cheered had they told her to get in her limo and her Bratz Circus tent of a dress and go the fuck home.

One of the complaints I've heard about US travelers is that they give their kids incredible freedoms beyond their age all in the whole "Work ethic" attitude but then don't back it up when the kids prove to just be kids and don't have the skills to manage crises or just things going pear shaped. The kid playing over sized Tonka toy was a glaring example of that. I do think much of his "working" was an attempt to justify their lifestyle since most of it was moving dirt from one pile to another just feet away from each other. But this kid also has a false notion that he can use machinery at the same level as any adult. And considering the lack of education -- something that not only teaches facts but also just conditions us to problem solve and analyze situations and reach resolutions in every day life -- this kid can move as many piles as he wants until he is fifty and he still lacks true skills to be a good worker if he doesn't lose the reckless attitude most kids his age have. But most kids don't have that level of entitlement enforced to such ridiculous levels.

There really is an unfortunate look to most of the women. Even two young sisters who were the focus of the communion storyline this past show. At first I thought it was perhaps a condition of being a close knit group genetically (and there is an amazing tendency for these girls to look alike no matter what locale -- there is a thin lipped, flat faced trait that is really apparent when you see them really young or without makeup). But after watching the storyline with the one girl still staying in school and I realized that at least in part, one defining trait these girls have a is a vapid blankness that shines through. It's not just a lack of charisma but a sort of intellectual void where charm and wit normally reside and it truly does come through in terms of their looks.

And for all the girls and their charm-challenged plain unfortunate looks existence, the real genetic culprits seem to be the men. I mean when you slather enough makeup and jam their generous curves (though the flabby flopping bits detract from any true Ruben-esque charms) into what often looks like an ace bandage and a thong, you can see why the men are attracted to the women. But what the hell do the women see in these men? Surely even in the limited genetic fishing pool that is the Irish Traveler community where the rush to marriage pretty much excludes a real courtship, there are a few prettier male fish in the shallows? It seems the prettier the girl when fully tarted out, the uglier the guy. Its like the community automatically handicaps the guys with the bigger pot bellies, fewer teeth and squinter eyes so they get first crack at the hot thirteen-year olds.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 10:09 PM

Well the only thing that came off worse than the Travelers/Gypsies was the British Public School system. Silly rules can be frustrating but the whole weeping and wailing and then getting their way over the limo just underscored what the talking heads with the headmaster established -- these people clearly use a mixture of thuggish entitlement and false victimhood to get their way and never mind what rules everyone else has to follow. Rules that are pretty clear from the start that these people willfully ignore. I get the pinch the teachers were put in what with cameras present and a weeping girl whose night was "ruined". But I would have stood up and cheered had they told her to get in her limo and her Bratz Circus tent of a dress and go the fuck home.


Yeah, but I also see where the school was coming from, too. There are girls who have gone to prom in America in dresses that were considered too revealing and suddenly there were cameras and negative press directed at the school for being too restrictive. With cameras already there, the headmaster probably just said the hell with it. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not unheard of.

I will say this: though the scale of the hoopskirts was ridiculous, and her spray tan was orange, she looked a lot better than some of her female classmates, who were all wearing the usual prom dresses, with ratty hair. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I miss some of those hoop dresses. Just not such wide hoops!
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 1:10 AM

Did anyone else catch the announcement at the end that Prom girl actually passed her A levels exams. Meaning she did better than Noreen. My question is, was she faking the whole "too cool for school" routine, so as not to look to bookish for potential suitors who might be watching the show?
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 9:26 AM

Surely even in the limited genetic fishing pool that is the Irish Traveler community where the rush to marriage pretty much excludes a real courtship, there are a few prettier male fish in the shallows?


Maybe some of them are the ones with blurs on their faces. I never really thought about it, but considering the ones willing to have their faces shown, there hasn't been one looker in the bunch has there?
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 9:58 AM

Ha, they're too good looking to be shown on tv!

The younger boy who has his tips frosted for his sister's communion seemed to think he was hot stuff. Most of the other male travelers seem to have pretty high self esteem too.
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 10:02 AM

Cassa looked like a rotisserie chicken after her spray tan.

Her hair and skin were the same color. I've only ever seen that in animals.

And GOOD GOD with the outfits [Cassa] and her sister wore to the horse fair. It was like a time machine back into a DJ Jazzy Jeff video.

Did her sister's shorts say "Boom Boom" on the ass?

I mean when you slather enough makeup and jam their generous curves (though the flabby flopping bits detract from any true Ruben-esque charms) into what often looks like an ace bandage and a thong, you can see why the men are attracted to the women.

I am truly surprised that any heterosexual male over the age of 11 can walk straight in the company of these girls. I don't believe that there is any such thing as "Come rape me" clothes, but these girls certainly do command attention.

The Amish go to school through the 8th grade. That gives them basic skills in math and reading (since things like newspapers are written at an 8th grade level).

I seem to remember from the first season one of the girls saying that none of her friends could sign the waiver at the paintball arena because they couldn't read. They were all about 16 years old. That...is sad.

They're allegedly Catholic, but only set foot in the church for first communion and weddings.

If you're (actually) Catholic, don't you have to take classes before communion, or read a book or something? And is there counseling before marriage? You would think some of those lessons would sink in. But this group seems to have a problem with abstraction.

Edited by JCVinEden, Apr 9, 2012 @ 10:03 AM.

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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 12:02 PM

If you're (actually) Catholic, don't you have to take classes before communion, or read a book or something? And is there counseling before marriage? You would think some of those lessons would sink in. But this group seems to have a problem with abstraction.


Yes there is training before first communion. And yes, counseling before a priest will agree to marry a couple. What I find interesting is we never see a conformation (which also requires classes).
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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 3:16 PM

I just have to say, there are many disturbing aspects of the culture shown on this program...but I don't really get why the boy operating a little loader was that bad. I grew up on a farm, and it was very common for young kids to drive and operate machinery. I myself learned to drive at 11 so I could drive myself to work in the summers, where I would operate tractors, backhoes, etc. Most boys learned these skills even younger. Kids are plenty capable of driving and operating machinery if they are taught how. It's not as if they're on the highway dodging through traffic.
At least the kid can put "can operate heavy machinery" on his job application if he ever decides to apply for a legit job. :P

I also was puzzled about the communion thing. I remember when I did communion, there were months of classes beforehand, and we had to demonstrate that we knew the basics of what the ceremony meant. We also had to have several prayers memorized. And yes, it is usually the rule in Catholic churches do to classes before marriage too. I don't see any of that happening on the program. Maybe they just don't show it. Coming from a Catholic background, I also found it weird that the kids just bugged out in the middle of the service. That sort of thing just is not done in any church I've been to. My mom probably would have beat my butt on the church steps if I had tried it! LOL
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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 5:25 PM

I read something about how the church will cave to traditions of certain groups. It's more important to the church that they keep the travelers as catholics than to stand up for their standards for weddings/communions ect. . .
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Posted Apr 13, 2012 @ 8:10 PM

I swear, the more I watch this show, the more these Gypsy girls remind me of the Duggar girls. Case in point:

1. The families in both shows look down on education. Sure, it's okay to learn some basic reading and writing skills, but it's more important to learn practical skills according to gender. That means homemaking and child-rearing skills for the girls and working skills for the boys.

2. The older girls' first priorities are cleaning and taking care of their younger siblings.

3. Although the girls have VASTLY different styles of dress, they all have that same vapid looks in their eyes like they know what their lives are going to be like regardless of what they would want.

Just to make it clear, I absolutely do not look down on any woman who makes the choice to be a stay-at-home mom. However, I object to groups where girls are not given a choice as to what they want to do with their lives, especially when their paths are laid out for them simply because of their gender. What if a girl doesn't want a litter of kids and maybe wants to be a nurse and travel for a while? The same thing goes for boys; maybe there are Duggar or Gypsy boys who don't want to work to support 12 kids, but would rather share the load with their wives and only have 2 or 3 kids. Feel free to disagree with me. :-)
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 5:39 AM

It's just as bad, if not worse, in the Traveler village in South Carolina, and the authorities look the other way.


Well, if the American show shows anything like the British show does, they won't be able to look the other way for long. The jig will be up. Damn, I wish the Oprah show was still around. And I never thought I'd write those words. If the American version shows any sign of child abuse I will notify the authorities. And I will hold the producers and TLC accountable. I will be on the horn with CPS until their ears bleed. But, my guess is they will all hide behind "home schooling" for the educational part, but it will be hard to hide behind child labor laws.

Yes there is training before first communion. And yes, counseling before a priest will agree to marry a couple. What I find interesting is we never see a conformation (which also requires classes).


True. But in my experience as long as you said, "Yes, Father" you were passed along. And need I get into the whole pedophiliac world of Catholic priests?

but I don't really get why the boy operating a little loader was that bad. I grew up on a farm, and it was very common for young kids to drive and operate machinery. I myself learned to drive at 11


11 is a world away from 7. And I wouldn't be surprised if you were well supervised/trained.

Back to tonight's show:

I wanted to give Tony some credit for marrying a non-gypsy and changing his way of life. But nooooo. He just wanted to marry a stripper who can support him and his lifestyle. (Gypsies can't be strippers; it's beneath them.) Too bad she got knocked-up. But at least she can earn a few extra quid posing as topless and preggars. Thank heavens they spared us the real money-maker: preggar porn.

Honey, don't worry your pretty little preggar self over grandpa not seeing the baby. As long as you keep bringing in the bob Grandpa Gypsy will be there for you. That's what Gorgers are for!

And it was so cute to see Tony agree to change nappies and help clean the caravan. What a guy. Except that he was shaking his head no in the background the whole time. Where can I find a guy like that? He's just so adorable.

Mama Sam has no bath, but she's got 30 new pairs of jeans for her newborn? I bet she's loving the Gypsy life. Next to an industrial plant.

George was such a prince. I can't imagine why his Gorger wife left him. He seems to have such respect for women.

Tony is pissed off because Danielle had the audacity of having her water break three weeks early. She wakes him for a curry. When he goes to the curry shop we learn that not only can he not read, but he has three other children with another woman. No wonder that Gorger fell for him. What a catch!

As repulsive as George is, at least he won't dress his son in jogging suits. I'll give him credit for that. But then, two seconds later he loses his points for putting down gay parents. Quelle dommage. Well, at least he didn't say fags and dykes.

And then, just as I'm getting ready to hate on all them they flip the switch.

A nice couple gets "gypped" by their wedding planner.

George turns out to be a great father. It's the Gorger wife who's a nasty wench.

And Tony turns around and plays proud papa.

WTF?

But then Tony fucks up and leaves his wife and baby.

And then Tracey's wedding goes off without a major hitch. And pretty tastefully done. Plus Tracey's mum looked pretty fab in her fascinator.

Plus Tony came back for Rudy's christening.

Overall, a pretty innocuous episode. Nary a person to hate. What a letdown.

Tony may be a narcissistic, misogynistic asshole, but he's hot.

Edited by Xingu, Apr 14, 2012 @ 5:45 AM.

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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 6:59 AM

I wanted to give Tony some credit for marrying a non-gypsy and changing his way of life. But nooooo. He just wanted to marry a stripper who can support him and his lifestyle. (Gypsies can't be strippers; it's beneath them.)

I missed the beginning of the show so I missed that she worked as a stripper. And it's quite rich how gypsies believe that stripping is beneath them when they have no problem whatsoever sending out their 6-year olds in stripper clothes to a communion ceremony. I guess it's OK to dress like one but not be one?

Tony may be a narcissistic, misogynistic asshole, but he's hot.


Oh, why, HELLO he sure was!
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 8:01 AM

They said something about her being a topless glamor model. . . .

The show was interesting. The people in the background of the wedding were great. One saying she herself wouldn't have married a gypsy because she doesn't like to be slapped around.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 2:29 PM

They said Tony's girlfriend was a topless model. I thought Tony was a jerk, and I'll bet he is not paying child support for any of his four children either.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 4:41 PM

It hasn't been directly addressed, but I can only imagine the incest/underage sex that occurs.

I can definitely see incest happening, without any interference from others. Pre-marital sex, I think not, but getting married at 15/16, etc. does that count as underage sex?

I thought Tony was a jerk, and I'll bet he is not paying child support for any of his four children either.

Two of his other kids were at the christening of Rudy. What a cutie. Too bad he's brought into this crazy community. He isn't all that different from a lot of men who still think that way and aren't travelers.

I think it would be harder for a non-traveler woman to marry a traveler man because he'd expect you to do things like clean up after him and you could see Tracey getting annoyed with Tony's antics, although he really seemed touched at doing things like changing Rudy's diapers and such since he didn't do that for his other kids. They seemed to be OK.

Being "Catholic" and all, I wonder how much divorce there really is in the Traveler world? Obviously, they use that to excuse much of their behavior. There have been several people who have divorced, but I wonder what their status is in the community afterward.

I re-watched the episode today and found this gem I missed on first viewing: the two 8-year old communion trampettes saying they had to leave the church service because it was "boring." Have these children no parents? I mean, it's not like I don't agree with them, but when I was 8 years old, I would have NEVER dared to leave the church because it was boring. Because you know what's worse than boring? Getting your ass beat by your parents for leaving church before the service was over.

They were also late to church, coming in about half way and then being very disruptive and basically being there to just receive their communion and then go. Also why were there only girls there? And 15 years old is more confirmation age rather than first communion.

The younger boy who has his tips frosted for his sister's communion seemed to think he was hot stuff. Most of the other male travelers seem to have pretty high self esteem too.

I guess because the girls don't have any option but to marry them no matter what they do.

George turns out to be a great father. It's the Gorger wife who's a nasty wench.

Really? He treats his kids to eating rabbit and buying them fur coats at the fair? Because she expects them to be on time when his visitation is over? I would imagine it would be pretty easy for them to leave and travel with them. He didn't seem evil, but I don't get that his ex was a wench just because he said so. He couldn't even clean his own trailer because it was beneath him and then berating the girl for not doing it right.

So many people are afraid of "their ways" dying out, but what of "their ways" are worth saving?
- The extreme cleaning? Fumes, bleach hands
- The marrying young in dresses that leave lasting marks and scars on their bodies
- Worrying that their husbands are going to hit them
- They can't go out without their parents' or husband's permission
- The locals hate them (pretty much all of them)

I guess it's fine if you're a man, but as a woman, no thanks.

I missed the beginning of the show so I missed that she worked as a stripper. And it's quite rich how gypsies believe that stripping is beneath them when they have no problem whatsoever sending out their 6-year olds in stripper clothes to a communion ceremony. I guess it's OK to dress like one but not be one?

So much hypocrisy.

RE: the "beauty pageant" was pretty lame, but I guess he watches TLC and sees Toddlers and Tiara in the US so it much not be all that bad.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 4:52 PM

I'm surprised he didn't get more girls for that pageant. It seems like something those girls would be really into.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 4:53 PM

Tony's 3 kids were from a previous relationship with a traveler woman? Where did he find a traveler woman to have 3 kids with him without the big poofy wedding?

I would bet George is the type of ex that if she gave him leave to be 15 minutes late for return, next time it'd be 20, then 30 until he was keeping them forever. Because you know, kids hate things like school and routine so why not just let them run wild.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 8:11 PM

Can you imagine what problem it'll be for her when she gets older. She'll send them dressed normally and he'll take them out for hooker clothes and tell them that they shouldn't worry about that school stuff (it's full of drugs and sex).

There have been more romany gypsy's this season. I'd love if they explained some of the differences. Were all the people in the past episodes that have been truly nomadic (moving from one place to another depending on the week) and cooking in the backyard romany or is it just variations of both.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 8:30 PM

I wanted to give Tony some credit for marrying a non-gypsy and changing his way of life. But nooooo. He just wanted to marry a stripper who can support him and his lifestyle.


I thought the narrator referred to her as his "partner" (i.e., not married, but shacked up)? Odd, because Travellers MUST be married to have children (eye roll).

(Gypsies can't be strippers; it's beneath them.)


Apparently, they haven't figured out that there's money to be made in it. They're already halfway there!


If I suspected that the producers of this show were trying to "out" the wicked ways of Travellers, this episode kind of reinforced the suspicion. The daughters can only marry Travellers, but the guys can knock up their Traveller girlfriends? Oh, wait, that means they don't always marry! /sarcasm And if they do marry a non-Traveller, they're shunned. But wait, there were two events with both sides of the family present! Inconsistent, much?

I also thought it was a panic that Danielle was worried about the Traveller in-laws accepting Rudy, considering she dresses like a whore. She's a beautiful girl, and looked stunning at Rudy's christening. But she needs to realize what she's gotten herself into. The separation because she's expected to cook and clean, and stay home, probably was a shock because he liked her as a "glamour model", and probably didn't press it. But the minute she realized he was a Traveller, she should have run screaming.

Oh, well, the Shameful Traveller Bride is next week. Can't wait to see what her big sin was. Was she caught reading? Filing taxes, perhaps?
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 10:55 PM

From what I've surmised, Irish Travellers were born in Ireland although now they have gotten themselves a separate ethnic designation, as opposed to the Ireland-born Irish. Romany gypsies originated in eastern Europe (some say from as far as India, although I've heard Romania, as well) and emigrated to the British Isles. The term gypsies seems to have come from a mistaken belief they came from Egypt; in any case, the Irish travelers are not really gypsies.
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Posted Apr 14, 2012 @ 11:43 PM

the Irish travelers are not really gypsies.


Still got the same rep as shifty thieves and free loaders.
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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 1:17 PM

Was George's hair on purpose? Was Uncle Dave's suit made of...Hefty bags? Why was it so shiny?

Mama Sam has no bath, but she's got 30 new pairs of jeans for her newborn? I bet she's loving the Gypsy life. Next to an industrial plant.


That girl's life is my worst nightmare. 17. Pregnant. Living in a 10x6 trailer next to an industrial park. No bathroom. Wearing cheetah-print. Having no friends. Married to a man with a mullet.

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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 2:50 PM

I am guessing shameful Irish Traveller bride is preggers. For all their slutty dress and even sluttier dancing, they are expected to marry as virgins. No wonder they manage to tie the knot at 16 and pop out the first kiddo at 17. I admit being fascinated by the lifestyle, the amount of money spent on newborns, clothing for children that are promptly outgrown, outrageous first communions, and then weddings that rate their own show. I can't seem to figure out how they make so much money, because all that excess is not cheap. The Irish group work with horses, but I can't remember the English group's specialty. I just always think of the late show by my favorite human, Eddie Izzard, The Riches. Great show, about American Travellers.
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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 5:32 PM

MorganleFae - I, too, am fascinated (yet still horrified) by the lifestyle, but I've begun to notice just how sad the weddings are. For all of the glitz, glitter, money, limos, etc, they are joyless affairs, sparsely attended, and no one really seems to be happy for the bride. You rarely see hugging or any kind of heartfelt emotion from the wedding party or the guests. I suppose that's what happens in a culture where EVERYONE is saying "Look at ME !" - the result is that no one looks ay ANYONE, including the bride. They're all too busy posing or looking at themselves.

Oh, and I LOVED The Riches ! Great show to use for comparison with My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding, especially when it comes to the accents and vernacular but without the need for those annoyingly-small subtitles. And Eddie Izzard is also my favorite human being. Ever.
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Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 9:49 PM

So after last week wondering if there is such a thing as a good looking traveler/gypsy man, this week delivers and I laughed and laughed and laughed at the irony that looks (as they were) and muscles and what I suspect is a nice living goes off the caravan park to find something "better"! And someone that on the surface is not good enough in so many ways to his culture's standards.

Did I hear correctly though that he is the father of four children now? Zip it up bubb. Those tough man purses only happen in a small window of opportunity and someone is just panting at the bit to be the next Tony in the ring. And I do hope the mother of his most recent child knows damn well that in ten years he will probably walk down the aisle with some sixteen year old he met at the pony fair jiggling her own score cards in a bandana and heels.

An odd thought I know, but I also got the sense that the producers wanted Tony to come off as the good guy and not the norm of his gender within his culture/set. Still the guy compared to the average father to be is far from even just plain "okay". Talk about a man child in so many disturbing ways despite his efforts to do what he basically signed up for by getting the woman pregnant.

But the show practically gave him a tongue bath by putting him up against the douche-tastic divorced (?) father didn't it? At first I wanted to have a he said she said approach since I was tired from the first segment with him whining and pouncing about his ex. But by the second it was clear that perhaps the producers worried the ex was just as nasty and self-entitled and figured it was better to let the dumbass hang himself with his own words. I was left wondering if he married outside of the culture because even among his own he was known to be a sniveling spoiled dick.
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Ladi Izz

Ladi Izz

    Channel Surfer

Posted Apr 15, 2012 @ 9:59 PM

That girl's life is my worst nightmare. 17. Pregnant. Living in a 10x6 trailer next to an industrial park. No bathroom. Wearing cheetah-print. Having no friends. Married to a man with a mullet.

I was trying to add to it, but I just can't. That scenario sounds like a completely hellish existence to me. *Shudders*

Tony's 3 kids were from a previous relationship with a traveler woman? Where did he find a traveler woman to have 3 kids with him without the big poofy wedding?.

I wonder if the gypsies shunned his first Traveler girlfriend he had the previous kids with for not only giving birth out of wedlock, but more than once.

I would bet George is the type of ex that if she gave him leave to be 15 minutes late for return, next time it'd be 20, then 30 until he was keeping them forever. Because you know, kids hate things like school and routine so why not just let them run wild.

Ugh, he annoyed me to no end with all his moaning. A thought did strike me that his kids might like to run around and all that with their dad, but I'd bet the first time he told his daughter to start wiping down the trailer for 10 hours a day, her visits would become less frequent. And once again someone on this show is lamenting about being suffocated inside a house. Also, shaving outside looking at your reflection in a car window is bizarre; I saw a girl on "My Super Sweet Sixteen" shave her legs in the kitchen and that was gross and trashy, so outside is lower on the ladder for me. Oh yeah, and George had my radar just a-pinging.

The word "gorger" stood out to me in this episode, has it been used before, because I remember Paddy in the first season used the term "country" to describe non-travelers. I guess that could be one of the differences between Irish and Romany travelers.

I'll add my Eddie Izzard love, as well. He was the inspiration for my name (because he's too wonderful for words) and I do find myself comparing some things on here to what I saw on The Riches, too.
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