All on the Line
Posted Apr 13, 2011 @ 9:12 AM
Channel: Sundance Channel, new episodes Tuesdays at 10.
They've shown three episodes all ready -- one on Radenroro, one on Kara Janx (of Project Runway), and the latest on a lingerie line.
The show is fairly interesting but I had concerns about it getting boring with rote pacing -- Joe Zee comes in, analyzes what's not working, makes suggestions, designer reacts, some tension on whether the designer will do what Joe suggests, the designer does, the buyers love the line and buy stuff, the Elle.com guy decides to write an article.
But the latest episode with the lingerie designer was pretty special as the designer was completely delusional about the fate of her company. She had a boyfriend who went into big time debt for her (I don't think that working at an environmental non-profit is necessarily the way to major wealth so he's financially in big trouble). Although Joe's suggestion about making ready-to-wear clothes might be suspect, the designer still fought him on every point, down to the final styling decisions. Then she was rude to the buyers even. Have no idea how she thinks she's going to stay in business or why her boyfriend puts up with her bad business sense.
Posted Apr 13, 2011 @ 1:15 PM
So, size 8 is "plus" now?
Posted Apr 13, 2011 @ 10:36 PM
I am watching this one on the edge of my seat, so much better then all of the boring ass makeover shows now.
Posted Apr 14, 2011 @ 12:59 PM
I really think KJ's reluctance to cut an 8 was that she didn't have a pattern for it yet. She would have had the prototype that she made for whatever the sample size was, but then it would have had to go back to the pattern maker for the actual production pattern/grading the pattern into the different sizes (although why she didn't grab an 8 wrap dress from a previous collection is kind of beyond me, oh, sorry, "kimono").
That being said- I was rooting for her to fail and was disappointed when she didn't. I wasn't actively rooting for Radenroro to fail, but I didn't care whether they succeeded. Last night, I was happy when they didn't buy anything.
I absolutely love Joe Zee, but it's really easy to see why all of these people aren't succeeding. I don't know whether the producers have manipulated these people into being unlikable for the sake of drama, or for building up Joe Zee (or whether these were just the best that were willing to be on a reality show on a not well watched channel), but so far, none of these companies have felt like they deserved success, or would make it beyond one season without Joe's continued involvement.
If you have a connected mentor, that's fantastic- but really? These assholes are the people that are getting that opportunity?
Posted Apr 14, 2011 @ 6:34 PM
Interesting to see these models pop up now and again.
This show is so-so. I'm waiting for a real breakout designer to see what an opportunity it is and not whine and walk away from someone like Joe Zee. Who would do that?
Posted Apr 16, 2011 @ 10:39 AM
You're $200,000 thou in debt and you don't listen to Joe Zee who's trying to help you...you have to watch this train-wreck of self-destruction to believe it.
Edited by sheetmoss, Apr 16, 2011 @ 10:40 AM.
Posted Apr 17, 2011 @ 12:23 AM
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Posted May 4, 2011 @ 12:59 AM
I can't really understand how the two dresses of his the Scoop buyers liked were anything special.
Posted May 4, 2011 @ 9:50 AM
What a wasted opportunity. I was cringing for Joe Zee. Hopefully his mighty and powerful contact list is aware that this is for his little TV show side project and to take his recommendations with a grain of salt.
Posted May 4, 2011 @ 10:41 AM
I wondered what was going to happen since the timing for the episode was completely off -- and then Khan's basic failure to deliver happened.
Posted May 4, 2011 @ 5:27 PM
And these people who have everything Joe gives them at their disposal and then blows it off, 'cause, you know, they were doing SO WELL with what they were doing before ... I have not the words.
Posted May 4, 2011 @ 8:11 PM
So while they are in general right-on with their advice about growing their business, it seems unbelievable that a Manhattanite working in fashion cannot conceive of a woman wearing certain of Jedda's creations. Maybe he could have said, Why not market your designs to the Vegas Boutiques? Or show him how perhaps the Versace woman might be interested in his designs, and what he can tweak to streamline them to get that customer's eye? Not everyone dressing for the dance floor has "good taste" foremost in their mind. Is it my imagination or aren't there parts of NYC which are more flamboyant? Seems a Miami or Brazilian dance club would be filled with women might want gold lame' or a bare-belly number. It was actually kinda cute, if costumey. Though in the case of that dress, the cups were too small I think, proportionally.
Edited by repag, May 7, 2011 @ 6:49 PM.
Posted May 5, 2011 @ 6:41 AM
I completely agree that Joe's limited idea of what style is - or who is stylish - made him sort of the wrong fit for Jedda-Kahn. I was shocked that he didn't have a more diverse group of ladies as his focus group. And while the clothes were not well made and were haphazard, if done well, with those fabrics and those designs in an edited manner, he could've had something for a specific clientele who are NOT those upper-crusty women.
Posted May 7, 2011 @ 6:54 PM
Posted May 7, 2011 @ 7:23 PM
It is amazing to me that the only designer who grabbed hold of the opportunity and drank in the advice from Zee was Gemma Kahn - the only person who had significant success before fashion reality TV. As Gemma is a few years older than Joe I thought she might have some issues with having a younger mentor, or feel that her old instincts, which served her well in the early-mid 90s, would serve her better than Joe's perspective. I thought her Kirna Zabete collection was amazing, and Kirna Zabete is top of the line - the owners really do select only the best of the primo collections.
I really like the show. I'm entertained by it and appreciate what feels like a less forced kind of drama - I think Joe was genuinely shocked by Layla of Between the Sheets. God knows I was. If and when she grows up, she's going to hate herself for wasting that opportunity.
Posted May 25, 2011 @ 8:02 PM
I NEED that green fitted dress. Fortunately, I sew and can try to copy it. *crosses fingers*
Edited by repag, May 25, 2011 @ 8:06 PM.
Posted May 26, 2011 @ 1:10 PM
Drat! I just saw the Wrap Up Episode and was curious about the Between the Sheets couple. Now Camo's comment I need know how I can see this episode.
Repeated on Saturday and lots of times later in June.
Posted May 28, 2011 @ 1:05 AM
It's strange that Project Runway is so popular, but this has such a slim audience. I LOVE that the focus is on the actual creative part and not the interpersonal drama, or the constant rehashing of the competition prizes, or what just happened. I wish they'd not try to stage so much, because no one on these shows can really pull off the acting part" "Why, what is going on here? Did I just walk in on some drama?" when Gemma and her [hot, I thought] French ass-istant were arguing. Oh brother.
Part of the problem is that the designers sucked. They weren't necessarily bad designers, but the only one I didn't want Joe Zee to bitchslap repeatedly was Gemma, and maybe the one that did the animal prints. I shouldn't think "Why is he wasting his time with these people?" about every. single. designer.
I did find it interesting that he ran into Gemma and talked her into doing the show, rather than having her come from the producers, and that it was the only time I was rooting for the lines to get picked up. I don't think that was a coincidence.
The much bigger problem is that it's on Sundance, not available online, and not heavily promoted from what I can tell (although I haven't watched Bravo in ages and gave up PR after the first or second Lifetime season, so it's completely possible I've missed it).
Posted Nov 6, 2011 @ 10:59 AM
For those still interested. Season 2 promo clip is up. They are featuring a plus size designer this year so I'm even more excited. I adore Joe Zee and love his show.
Thanks for the update. All on the Line was a great show, I especially liked his dealings with that AWFUL Layla from Between the Sheets. Hope more people watch this time.
Posted Nov 6, 2011 @ 3:45 PM
Posted Nov 14, 2011 @ 9:33 PM
I love it, I think Joe Zee is great. I still can't believe Layla Lebody (?) and the guy who met Georgina Chapman and blew her off dismiss such opportunities for them to show stuff to buyers, crazy. You're a struggling designer, and you have help, and your ego is more important??
Posted Nov 26, 2011 @ 6:23 PM
What a depressing and sad way to start the season.
Posted Nov 26, 2011 @ 7:04 PM
I think the problem is a taste issue, he can't reign in his ideas for a ready-to-wear line, everything HAS to be couture and details with him, which didn't pay up.
What a depressing and sad way to start the season.
Agreed. Angelo would do well with a mentor AND a business manager who makes all business decisions. Some of his stuff was beautiful- the wedding dress was GORGEOUS! This is such a good show, hope more viewers tune in.
Posted Nov 27, 2011 @ 6:32 PM
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Posted Dec 4, 2011 @ 7:11 PM
I did like a couple of her last designs--but LB is not strong on dresses --usually they do more separates so the 2 best looks--the red dress and the color block dresses would be different.
I wish she had spent more time listening to the focus group women instead of pitching to them. I am a plus size and a lot of what they were saying is what I think about the clothing that I can find.
Posted Dec 6, 2011 @ 4:25 PM
And as a long-time home sewer, I remain befuddled that buyers can appear bowled over by minor tweaking to basic shapes which look to me less than groundbreaking.
Posted Dec 11, 2011 @ 4:53 PM
If the line was not good without Joe styling it to death--and he knew it--and the buyers recognized it---why did they buy it? And what did it say about Joe--bringing them in if he didn't feel confident of it on it's own?
The ending said they were "in negotiations" with Scoop--so I wonder if they will really buy it in the end.