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Posted Mar 27, 2011 @ 10:09 PM

The old forum has been PH'd, but you can continue to discuss the show here.

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Posted Mar 28, 2011 @ 7:42 AM

I can't believe the show was PH'd! Seriously? And what happened to Nikita?
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Posted Mar 28, 2011 @ 10:44 AM

Oh, I totally saw the PH coming.

The show has been uneven in it's writing since the beginning. However, some of the current storylines are actually fairly interesting (I wouldn't go so far as to say "Compelling", though.)

The relationship between Naomi and her new, nerdy boyfriend is quite enjoyable. And I'm amazed at the depth the show has given the "Teddy is gay" story. (Even though he's had [sadly] WAY less screen time this season than last, they've still developed him WAY more than ever before.)

Thyye just need to find reasons for the cast to get together, and not go off in 27 different directions. That was definitely part of the charm of the original.

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Shenae Grimes just needs to get off my screen, though. Seriously. And never come back. (And she can take HeyDude with her.)

Edited by ShadowDenizen, Mar 28, 2011 @ 10:47 AM.

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Posted Mar 28, 2011 @ 1:34 PM

Saw the PH coming too. The forum was rarely visited. Moving it to this section will probably be good for it.

It's back next week isn't it?

The relationship between Naomi and her new, nerdy boyfriend is quite enjoyable. And I'm amazed at the depth the show has given the "Teddy is gay" story. (Even though he's had [sadly] WAY less screen time this season than last, they've still developed him WAY more than ever before.)


Definetly the two highlights of the season have been Naomi and Teddy. I've also enjoyed Ivy this season and think she's the only other interesting female character. Although Adrianna and Silver were the better characters of S1, I can barely tell them apart now in their unlikeability factor. Put them together with Annie and there's nothing defining about any of them.

Liam as well has been stripped of all story potential and literally become just Annie's love interest.
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Posted Mar 28, 2011 @ 3:56 PM

It's back next week isn't it?

I don't think the show comes back until mid-April.

Definetly the two highlights of the season have been Naomi and Teddy. I've also enjoyed Ivy this season and think she's the only other interesting female character.

Teddy still doesn't do it for me but I agree about Naomi and Ivy. They're the reasons I still tune in.
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Posted Mar 29, 2011 @ 6:51 AM

Liam as well has been stripped of all story potential and literally become just Annie's love interest.


Yes, I agree. And sadly, I think Matt Lanter actually deserves better than this crapfest of a show.

It's funny how the "supporting" cast (IE Naomi, Teddy, etc.) are more interesting than the "core" cast (IE Annie & Dixon.) I really don't care about either of their lame storylines. (Though at least they dropped the "Annies' Eggs" storyline like a bad habit! YECH!)

And even though I still don't care for Silver, I think her newfound support of Teddy is well-done and touching.

One thing the original show did was, no matter how contrived, to integrate all the cast together extremely well, and that's something this show is lacking.

Edited by ShadowDenizen, Mar 29, 2011 @ 6:52 AM.

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Posted Mar 30, 2011 @ 3:17 PM

And even though I still don't care for Silver, I think her newfound support of Teddy is well-done and touching.


I agree, it brought her back from the brink of pure unlikeability for me although I still think her and Adrianna are on an unlikeability par alongside an equally annoying Navid. I think I hate him the most in this entire mess.
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Posted Mar 30, 2011 @ 3:25 PM

The characters that I used to hate at the beginning of their arrivals (Naomi, Teddy, Ivy) have become my official favourite characters. And the characters that I used to love (mainly Liam, a little bit of Ade, Navid and Silver) are slowly decreasing to my 'least favourite' or at least 'meh' lists. I think the writers really have been doing a good job with Naomi, Teddy and even Ivy. They made their characters grow and flourish naturally, unlike Annie, whom I still dislike. I mean, I may not totally love Ivy yet, her storylines are getting interesting, now that they aren't centered around the main male cast...or her mother. And Teddy's gay storyline has progressed nicely, though I still want Ian back. Screw Marco, Ian was better for Teddy!

And, of course, little miss Naomi Clarke, who started out as so one dimensional and so predictable and has quickly escalated into a full three dimensional character who has matured but yet still keeps her quirks. That is why they are all my favourites, because the writers made them all grow instead of going the opposite way, like Annie, Liam, Silver, Navid and Adrianna. Oh yeah, and Dixon. Can't forget about the guy that used to be my favourite male in season one. Now he's my least favourite. Though just a tiny bit better than Navid.
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Posted Mar 30, 2011 @ 3:49 PM

I think the problem with Silver, Adrianna and Navid is that they're all coming across as really unlikeable in a very boring storyline. Silver has dated/been in love with nearly all the male cast and there seems to be nothing more to her then her ~dating storylines anymore. It's a shame because when I think about how Stroup rocked the Jackie dying storyline, it's such a waste of a capable actress.

Annie is just a pain. There's nothing memorable about her and I think the writers thought that by having Liam (the hot ~bad guy) fall for her and by making them angsty , this would make people more receptive... but instead it's just made them both incredibly dull and robbed Liam of any storylines period.

Poor Dixon, they just stopped caring with him.
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Posted Mar 30, 2011 @ 6:16 PM

I have to admit I did feel sorry for Annie during the recent stalker-ish cousin storyline. Just because Naomi, Silver, and Adrianna automatically believed Annie was trashing them, just like they automatically believed she slept with Liam way back in the S1 finale and didn't talk to her for almost a year.

I agree that Naomi has turned into one of the most interesting characters, even though I hated her at the beginning.
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Posted Mar 31, 2011 @ 11:36 AM

Just because Naomi, Silver, and Adrianna automatically believed Annie was trashing them, just like they automatically believed she slept with Liam way back in the S1 finale and didn't talk to her for almost a year.


I liked the PREMISE of the stalker story better than the execution. And Annie’s reaction was completely ridiculous. Overall, the “Stalker-Cousin” storyline was completely a bust. I think it might have had potential, but it truly failed to illuminate anything new [or even redeeming] about the main character (in this case, Annie.)

And I agree with those who said that the LIKABLE characters (and I actually don’t lump Ivy into that category!!) are the ones who have been allowed to progress naturally, while everyone else has been shoehorned into trite plots. (Or non-plots.)

And they officially don’t know WHAT to do with Dixon anymore.

WRT to the Teddy storyline; I’m willing to see how this plays out. I do hope they bring Ian back, but I’ll give them some leeway since it’s one of the more cohesive and engaging plots on the show. And, aside from being SUPER hot, kudos to Trevor Donovan! I think he has been pretty spot-on with his portrayal, and has definitely portrayed the “Conflicted Teen” role pretty-well, and also brought some nuances to the role that were missing last season. (I actually feel a little bad for 90201 that “Glee” is simultaneously running the Klaine plot, since I think this story actually deserves a lot more press and attention than it’s getting.)

Moving it to this section will probably be good for it.


I agree; looks like we've already spawned some intersting discussion topics in this thread!

Edited by ShadowDenizen, Mar 31, 2011 @ 11:39 AM.

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Posted Mar 31, 2011 @ 3:17 PM

I have to admit I did feel sorry for Annie during the recent stalker-ish cousin storyline. Just because Naomi, Silver, and Adrianna automatically believed Annie was trashing them, just like they automatically believed she slept with Liam way back in the S1 finale and didn't talk to her for almost a year.


She walked right into it though. She ran screaming and kicking into every trap Emily set and I think had the situation been reversed and one of the other girls been targeted and reacted that way, Annie would be against them too. Even Liam and her mother were doubting her. I honestly think the girls got too much flack for not believing her.

I liked the PREMISE of the stalker story better than the execution. And Annie’s reaction was completely ridiculous. Overall, the “Stalker-Cousin” storyline was completely a bust. I think it might have had potential, but it truly failed to illuminate anything new [or even redeeming] about the main character (in this case, Annie.)


I think it would have worked had it not been Annie who was being targeted. The moment I knew it was Annie, I knew off the bat that rather then develop the story it would be just ~everyone is mean to Annie who feels victimised but then she makes them all believe her and they have to eat crow and apoligise storyline. Also, Annie brought it on herself. Emily went cray cray on her because she arrived in LA, excited to see her cousin and explore (basically S1 Annie) but Annie complained about her from the get go to anybody who would listen and made her feel like shit. I just didn't pity her at all during any of it.
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Posted Mar 31, 2011 @ 8:05 PM

She walked right into it though. She ran screaming and kicking into every trap Emily set and I think had the situation been reversed and one of the other girls been targeted and reacted that way, Annie would be against them too.


That's true. And the dumb part of the storyline was that Emily was only "after" Annie because she heard Annie was complaining about her. But that is just lazy writing.
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Posted Mar 31, 2011 @ 8:29 PM

Since Pretty Little Liars is on hiatus, I watched Monday night episode out of boredom. When and why did the turn Adrianna into an unlikeable vapid twat? I see they finally mentioned Navid's father porn occupation. How did that storyline play out? Thanks in advance.
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Posted Mar 31, 2011 @ 8:47 PM

I may very well be wrong but I think I read somewhere that this crapfest has new writers or a new show runner? Or maybe it did at the start of this season. If the former, it could improve, if the latter, we are doomed. ITA with everybody - when the former writers had Annie run over that guy and subsequently not give a rat's ass they destroyed her. Why on earth would they do something to a core character that they could never bring her back from? Even this season when her friends challenged her a couple of times she was defensive and insulted. Once that horrible mistake (on the part of the writers) was made they needed to have Annie have been so drunk she was in blackout mode and later went insane with guilt or something but nope, they had her be huffy and pissed because she had to stay in her house for a week. You know, like if your parents catch you out after curfew.

The others who are being obnoxious can atone - horrible self-involved Adrianna, cheating Silver, boring Dixon but no amount of having stalkers and egg-seekers abuse Annie changes what she did and the fact she only cares at all because of the repercussions it had on her, i.e. college admissions, and her friends being mad. Boo-fucking-hoo.

Plus I'm still pissed about Navid turning in his father on a rumor (even tho it turned out to be true) and the fact that even though said father fled the country his money situation seems to have not changed a bit. Everything just gets dropped. Why has no legal action been taken against Adrianna? Why does Ivy go get a prescription for medical pot from a quack when she had no trouble buying it?
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Posted Mar 31, 2011 @ 9:44 PM

When and why did the turn Adrianna into an unlikeable vapid twat?


It started in this year's season premiere and has gone downhill since then. I have no idea WHY they did this, especially since her storyline has been isolating her from the rest of the characters.

I see they finally mentioned Navid's father porn occupation. How did that storyline play out? Thanks in advance.


Navid recognized a class mate as someone who was in his fathers porn movies, and realized his father had been hiring underage girls. He mentions this to his adviser, who calls the cops. His dad fled the country to avoid going to jail. I can't remember if the rest of Navid's family knows the whole story.
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Posted Apr 1, 2011 @ 4:10 PM

Why on earth would they do something to a core character that they could never bring her back from? Even this season when her friends challenged her a couple of times she was defensive and insulted. Once that horrible mistake (on the part of the writers) was made they needed to have Annie have been so drunk she was in blackout mode and later went insane with guilt or something but nope, they had her be huffy and pissed because she had to stay in her house for a week. You know, like if your parents catch you out after curfew.


It wasn't even that they never came back from it. It was moreso that we were meant to pity her and think that she was the victim in the entire mess when truthfully, she was loaded off her face, drove over someone, left the scene and then got her car fixed up without ever telling anybody the truth. Not only is it awful, it's borderline sociopathic and watching her piss herself everytime she nearly got caught in S2 was eye rolling. She never even got called out on her horrendous actions, she finally admitted the truth and got a hug from Liam. I swear she (and sometimes Silver) are in a league of their own when it comes to never getting called out on their actions.

Anyway, given the dismissal of the story and the few things that Shenae and the cast have mentioned of it, I get the impression they all share the same thoughts that the storyline was an awful one.
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Posted Apr 2, 2011 @ 9:05 PM

Plus I'm still pissed about Navid turning in his father on a rumor (even tho it turned out to be true) and the fact that even though said father fled the country his money situation seems to have not changed a bit.


I have to say the show's treatment of fathers really bugs me to the extent that I actually find it borderline offensive. Naomi, Teddy and Ivy have fathers who are horrible jerks, Liam and Navid have fathers who are outright criminals (with a bonus evil stepfather in Liam's case), Silver and Adrianna have absentee fathers and even Annie and Dixon have a father who was portrayed as less sympathetic in the divorce - Harry very quickly getting a new girlfriend for instance.

It's pretty depressing when the best representation for being a Dad is Matthews.
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Posted Apr 2, 2011 @ 9:44 PM

It wasn't even that they never came back from it. It was moreso that we were meant to pity her and think that she was the victim in the entire mess when truthfully, she was loaded off her face, drove over someone, left the scene and then got her car fixed up without ever telling anybody the truth. Not only is it awful, it's borderline sociopathic and watching her piss herself everytime she nearly got caught in S2 was eye rolling.

Yeah, that's a storyline that was one of the most asinine things I've ever seen on TV. I thought it was pretty obvious that they were going to have it turn out that Annie wasn't at fault. They'd showed that Teddy was there based on his car with some bumper sticker on it. I figured that it would turn out to be Teddy but then they just never did anything with that. It's like halfway through, they realized that they didn't know how they wanted to resolve it so they just... stopped. And ta da, Annie became like Rebecca Gayheart.
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Posted Apr 3, 2011 @ 9:59 AM

I feel like having a shirtless Liam on every episode would go a long way towards redeeming the show. Lord knows I am not watching for the story lines involving Adrianna (so much hate for her), Dixon, or Hey Dude (although I do like her friendship with Naomi). I actually enjoyed Annie's stalker plot, because it felt very "old school 90210" (Kelly and her SWF girl Tara, anyone?), although normally anything Annie annoys me. I am impressed with how the Teddy storyline is playing out - take that, Glee! The Teddy plot is much more realistic to me and I don't feel like they are shoving it in my face (like they do with Kurt).
Note - I love having gay high school students on TV. I think it is awesome and a step in the right direction. However, I hate the shows that shove a gay character at me week after week and make everything about them (like Finn and Kurt's parents' wedding on Glee). Give me Emily from Pretty Little Liars or Teddy's struggle on 90210 any day.

Also, I have fallen in love with Naomi. At first, I despised her. She was like a wannabe Kelly Taylor but just came across as a bitch with no deeper side. I love how she is with her nephew, her very real pain with the Cannon situation, her desire for more (with the yoga cult story), and her fighting her feelings for the "dorky" guy. I also love that Naomi seems to be the most real friend on this show - she has been there for every character, including Ivy.
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Posted Apr 3, 2011 @ 12:42 PM

An article containing some spoilers on the episode on April 18th when the show comes back. It doesn't give too much away but just in case I'll post the link only.

http://entertainment...281474979183939

Also, did you guys hear that the kid who played Javier on the show got cast as the male lead in Rock of All Ages alongside Tom Cruise? If the movie does good it might bring some attention to 90210.
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Posted Apr 3, 2011 @ 12:50 PM

And ta da, Annie became like Rebecca Gayheart.


I'm feeling ignorant here - I only know her as Toni on BH original. ???

Agreed that the gay teen SL's on this show and PLL have been very well done. I liked the way it was handled on PLL even more because unlike on this show the kids actually have real live parents to contend with as well as their peers. So the writers here have the sensitivity to do a story like that well but leave murder hanging out in the air and expect us to forget about it and feel bad when Annie stubs her toe or whatever. pfft. I also agree about Kurt. He is almost a cartoon or something and he makes me feel like I'm being taught a lesson at all times. I do, however, appreciate that Glee represented him being bullied and harrassed which is, sadly, a part of the picture in many cases.
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Posted Apr 3, 2011 @ 1:01 PM

I just think that, although the character of Kurt is sorta cartoonish and not the best representation, Chris Colfer pulls it off very well and he's a pretty talented actor. But writing wise, I think the best is definately Teddy. The writers are developing him slowly but not annoyingly to the point where we just want him to move on *coughAnnieseason2cough*. I mean, the acting from Trevor Donovan may not be spectacular or anything, but he's making his character believable, which makes him a solid actor. Again, not spectacular, but solid and believable. Way better than last season where he was a tool and I hated his relationships with Ade and Silver.
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Posted Apr 3, 2011 @ 1:09 PM

I'm feeling ignorant here - I only know her as Toni on BH original. ???

It's not a reference to Gayheart's past 90210 role, it's to her incidence of vehicular manslaughter.
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Posted Apr 3, 2011 @ 3:57 PM

It's not the same as Gayheart though because she showed remorse, didn't leave him to die etc. Annie has never given any indication about being sorry. She was too busy lashing out at everyone and feeling sorry for herself to ever actually take in what she did. Even her confession to Liam felt more of a pity party then anything else. I still can't believe that the writers added that she was drunk, it was like wtf? Another nail in the coffin. I wouldn't mind them doing any of this if I thought that she might ever be called on it but she never is. Adrianna and Naomi have been called on lesser shit and got bigger punishments. Sometimes I wonder if the writers realise how much viewers hate Annie and are just trying to rub it in and punish us for not loving her in S1 like we were all clearly supposed to.

Also not really news anymore but Ryan Eggold got cast in a pilot with Vampire Diaries Lauren Cohen.

Lauren Cohan and Ryan Eggold have landed roles in The CW’s pilot Heavenly.

The project focuses on a young attorney called Lily who teams up with former angel Dashiel, played by Ben Aldridge.

TV Line reports that Cohan has now signed up for the role of Lily.

Cohan was recently seen playing Rose on The Vampire Diaries. She also starred in Supernatural and has had guest roles in shows including Chuck and Modern Family.

Meanwhile, Eggold will play a pastor who offers counsel to Dashiel.

Eggold has been playing Ryan on 90210 but will leave at the end of the season. He has also appeared in series including Dirt and Entourage.

Heavenly is in contention for The CW’s 2011/2012 season.

Source: digitalspy

http://90210-media.org/


Edited by Chas411, Apr 3, 2011 @ 3:58 PM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 10:45 AM

It wasn't even that they never came back from it. It was moreso that we were meant to pity her and think that she was the victim in the entire mess when truthfully, she was loaded off her face, drove over someone, left the scene and then got her car fixed up without ever telling anybody the truth. Not only is it awful, it's borderline sociopathic and watching her piss herself everytime she nearly got caught in S2 was eye rolling.


Not to mention during the beginning of Season 3 they had Annie give some huge spiel about getting over the past to Hallie Lowenthal, complete with Shenae Grimes' over the top cutesiness and retarded tics. Over. a fucking dead man. Completely inappropriate and disgusting. I truly am still trying to fathom why they would character assassinate the protagonist like that. My theory is that this was a reaction to all the other teen shows who never go through with plots like this (with good reason), like Serena in Gossip Girl, who turned she didn't really kill a man as she supposedly claimed. They did this to try and be edgy, and hip, and revolutionary, but it just ended up backfiring horribly.

My main reason watching this show now is for Naomi and Max's relationship, tbh.

And not gonna lie, while I hate the regression of Adriana's character and her relationship with Naomi (ugh-I miss their friendship so badly!), I actually find the whole Silver-Navid-Adrianna triangle interesting. Horrible writing and just a lot of vapidness all around, but entertaining as hell. *Cowers and Hides*

Edited by wheatbread, Apr 6, 2011 @ 10:46 AM.

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Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 3:59 PM

They did this to try and be edgy, and hip, and revolutionary, but it just ended up backfiring horribly.


Yes, and there was no need to. It led to the stalker Jasper story line but they passed up a perfectly good stalker with the half brother earlier. As Annie was supposed to be sympathetic, I kept waiting for a reveal that she honestly didn't know she had hit anyone. However, the sneaking off the car and paying $$$$$????? to get it repaired on the sly sealed the deal. Serena's only crime was waiting until she was out of the building to call the paramedics. She had nothing whatever to do with that dude's overdose, he already had the drugs and took them with no urging on her part. And they had already made Annie a bad guy with everyone being pissed at her over calling the cops about Naomi's party. Granted, she was wrongly accused of something but she hurt everybody, not just Naomi with that little revenge plot. They could have handled the whole thing so differently, i.e. she was drunk, did what she did, and was torn to pieces about it afterwards.

I'll go hide with you. Horrid as Adriana is I was amused by her "rise to stardom" and treatment of her friends. Good soap stuff. And unlike Annie, her crime was less and she's been severely called to task on it, humiliated, lost her boyfriend, etc.
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Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 4:58 PM

And unlike Annie, her crime was less and she's been severely called to task on it, humiliated, lost her boyfriend, etc.


Isn't that one of the main problems with Annie though, that she's never called out on anything. Anytime the girls are mad at her it's because she's been ~wrongfully accused and is the victim. She's never really been called out on murdering someone, just like she was never really called out on sneaking around with Ethan or basically emotionally cheating with Liam. She's always the victim and if anybody dare say otherwise, they'll be shot for it (or run over).
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Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 5:31 PM

Isn't that one of the main problems with Annie though, that she's never called out on anything. Anytime the girls are mad at her it's because she's been ~wrongfully accused and is the victim.


Ugh. I hate Annie. She is probably my most hated character in maybe all the television I've watched. And you're right she is NEVER wrong. Which I don't know how that can possibly be when you run over a man, and your main concern is how it effects YOU. Seriously Annie? Then on top of that to come back from summer break and have the gall to complain about being on house arrest for killing said man? I can't count the ways how selfish and disgusting I find this character, and the worst part is that it isn't just contained to that one incidence. This is just how Annie rolls. No pun intended.

I'll go hide with you. Horrid as Adriana is I was amused by her "rise to stardom" and treatment of her friends. Good soap stuff. And unlike Annie, her crime was less and she's been severely called to task on it, humiliated, lost her boyfriend, etc.


Me three. I hated Adriana's SL this year so far, but I think the actress has found a way to make her entertaining despite the horrible writing she's dealt with. Actually I will completely attribute it to the actress. She wrong I know it, she knows it, but Jessica Lowndes IMO gives her as many layers as I feel she possibly can. I loved the recent scene where she showed her cards to Silver giving her chances to confess, than calmly backstabbing her with the "sext". I also think the sext was used much better here then in Annie's SL last(? ) season.
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Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 5:39 PM

Not to mention during the beginning of Season 3 they had Annie give some huge spiel about getting over the past to Hallie Lowenthal, complete with Shenae Grimes' over the top cutesiness and retarded tics.


And not only did Hallie Lowenthal give Annie a job, she wanted to use Annie's eggs to conceive her child. That was a big WTF for me.
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