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[TWoP Gadget]

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[buenos1234]

Well I guess the big spoiler is the buzz about how the Blaine Character is going to question his orientation, ie is he gay or bi in an upcoming episode, obviously something which is still not confirmed..

I guess my problem would be that in trying to reboot the character, they could be making a 180 turn in changing him..as it stands it's a fine line to making him so clueless and dense..(he had NO idea that Kurt was attracted to him and had NO idea that he was flirting with Kurt) to then changing the one thing about him that was defined..(ie a confident out character who was run out of his old school). The potential bi angle doesn't bother me so much perse, but coming after the episode where Blaine is shown to be romantically retarded..("I am clueless") it just seems like gratuitous piling on on the character..

Plus what would be the appeal for Kurt in the endgame if the Blaine character's is portrayed so negatively. Ryan Murphy would have a sick sense of humor if Kurt's crush didn't even know there was chemistry there at all, but could fall "in love" with some random guy he had coffee with, and then would kiss a girl (even under the influence of alcohol) before he got around to aknowledging any genuine attraction to Kurt. If the spoiler is right, it's like it's become par for the course for Kurt to be humiliated in any romantic crush...just saying..

They might just be better off adding some random character for an episode or two who actually is attracted to Kurt with no apologies, if they are serious in turning the Blaine character into such a bumbling, clueless, dense idiot.

[glitter5579]

I don't think Blaine exploring his sexuality would kill his character. Sure he initially only came into existence to be a mentor to Kurt, but his role has expanded and he no longer exists solely to be Kurt's Teenage Dream.

Now, onto The Comeback... I'm seeing Sue trying to sabotage Glee from the inside by pitting Rachel and Mercedes against one another before having a new found respect for the "arts" leading to a lumberjack rendition of "Sing." I really want to know where the lumberjack theme comes from though.

Edited by TWoP Gadget, Feb 14, 2011 @ 1:17 PM.
Yes, that does count as a spoiler.

[Jane007]

"Blaine will openly question whether bisexuality is real. I think that some people will love that discussion and some will not love it," Murphy told the magazine, going on to explain that if Kurt and Blaine do get together on the show, he wants to treat it like he treats any other relationship on the show, with its up and downs.

Source

Edited by TWoP Gadget, Feb 14, 2011 @ 1:15 PM.
Don't um your posts, please.

[Hermoine]

What the fuck does that even mean Ryan Murphy? God, I hate that man.

[Atony]

At least now it is confirmed, I'm not surprised, as I said in the last thread AfterElton is a trustworthy source.

Now there really isn't much to do except wait and see how they handle it. The way Ryan Murphy describes it this is going to play out fairly seriously and not be done for laughs. Discuss whether bisexuality is real is interesting, if they keep Blaine gay is that him deciding that bisexuality isn't real? This is going to be a fine line to walk if they are going to seriously approach the issue.

And treat it like other relationships on Glee is a terrible foreboding since they can't handle them well at all.

[Glorfindel]

And treat it like other relationships on Glee is a terrible foreboding since they can't handle them well at all.

Indeed. Quick straw poll of anyone who thinks this is going to be handled sensitively and thoughtfully? Nah, thought not...

[bth5281]

What the fuck does that even mean Ryan Murphy? God, I hate that man.

I think RM is talking about how Blaine will question if Bisexuality is real and is he one which I highly doubt since they are going to have Santana come out or hint she is in 2x15. Are they going to have two bisexual character come out in back to back episodes?

Discuss whether bisexuality is real is interesting, if they keep Blaine gay is that him deciding that bisexuality isn't real? This is going to be a fine line to walk if they are going to seriously approach the issue.

That is why they going to deal with Santana's bisexuality in the next episode.

Edited by bth5281, Feb 14, 2011 @ 11:12 AM.

[Jane007]

I hope it means they are addressing bi-phobia. Except for the fact that I don't trust the writers that much.

[CoyoteBlue]

if Kurt and Blaine do get together on the show, he wants to treat it like he treats any other relationship on the show, with its up and downs.

You mean they'll actually get an "up" some day? Well, that's a brief glimmer of hope...

[Abella]

That is why they going to deal with Santana's bisexuality in the next episode.

I think there could be a really interesting juxtaposition of Blaine & Santana's story lines if (BIG IF) its handled sensitively. I'll have to wait & see. In the meantime hot damn, those photos of Darren.

[Florinaldo]

Here is the complete article from Out Magazine where Ryan Murphy confirms Blaine will be the questioning character. Obviously, he was bored with them.

Edited by Florinaldo, Feb 14, 2011 @ 12:23 PM.

[hamble]

After a lot of thought and reflection, I've come around to thinking that if this is an experience that ultimately leads to Blaine making positive realisations about his gay sexual identity and his feelings for Kurt or his relationship with Kurt, and the discussion between the two boys is honest and open, if they both grow from sharing this experience, I will be fine with it.

What I would not be fine with is a stunt that leaves Kurt's feelings badly hurt or his self-esteem any more damaged.

Edited by hamble, Feb 14, 2011 @ 11:27 AM.

[Atony]

That is why they going to deal with Santana's bisexuality in the next episode.

But that is kind of a terrible message. Society believes in female bisexuality but it is males who are basically told they can't be bisexual. If Blaine goes "maybe I am bisexual, just kidding!" and then Santana embraces her bisexuality it does add to the male biphobia.

Which is not to say I am rooting for Blaine to be bisexual but ugh, I just don't trust them to handle this storyline well at all.

[Breadstix]

They can definitely juxtapose Blaine as someone who can "blame it on the alcohol" whereas Santana can't ignore it even when she's sober. She may feel hope hearing him say that alcohol got the better of him and that she can just brush it off, only to realize she still can't ignore the attraction free of excuses.

They're getting controversial here but they could pull it off.

[herkylover]

After a lot of thought and reflection, I've come around to thinking that if this is an experience that ultimately leads to Blaine making positive realisations about his gay sexual identity and his feelings for Kurt or his relationship with Kurt, and the discussion between the two boys is honest and open, if they both grow from sharing this experience, I will be fine with it.

Yeah, I think I'll be perfectly fine with it if it plays out like this. I'm not even willing to rule out that this will be the accelerator that will get them together.

I'm not going to freak over this, remember all the freaking over what was going to happen in Silly Love Songs and how it all eventually lead to the boys getting closer together?

[CoyoteBlue]

if they both grow from sharing this experience, I will be fine with it.

At this rate, it'll be season three before they even try getting Kurt a date. I'm a little tired of Kurt having noble, chaste, neutered "growth experiences". Gay kids apparently get "growth experiences" and straight kids get constant dating and sex. Nice double standard, RM.

At this point, I want Kurt getting at least a little casual dating in while we're waiting for RM's whatever-the-fuck drama to be over with.

Edited by CoyoteBlue, Feb 14, 2011 @ 11:39 AM.

[Glorfindel]

I was just thinking that too - I wonder if it's a network requested thing, to have the gay romance as something very tame? Particularly becuase we were told that Kurt WOULD have a boyfriend this season.

[hamble]

A scenario that didn't irreparably damage the relationship between Kurt and Blaine, while allowing Kurt to get to be a kid in his reaction and kick Blaine's ass if he upsets him, would be just dandy :-)

Seconded, CoyoteBlue. I still want to see Kurt meet at least one guy who is actually wholeheartedly into him. You know, a guy with eyes in his head.

[bth5281]

The Blind item saying this gay character (Blaine) will question himself and come to some decision at the end of the episode. Can they have Blaine who they portray as out and proud gay teen over the course of one episode come out as bi. Even Santana/Brittany thing going to be cover over the course of several episodes.

The series will start to explore Santana (Naya Rivera) and Brittany's relationship on a deeper level. "A lot of my stuff is getting generally serious in a way," Heather Morris says. "We just got a new script. ... Santana and Brittany don't want to talk about it because they're in high school, but Brittany wants to talk about it because she has a boyfriend. Ryan Murphy really wanted to do that for the fans because all of the fans were like, 'Why did you have them make out and not do anything else?'" But don't expect more lip-locking anytime soon, Morris says.

Edited by bth5281, Feb 14, 2011 @ 11:44 AM.

[Colonel Green]

Particularly becuase we were told that Kurt WOULD have a boyfriend this season.

Admittedly, we've been told a lot of things.

[herkylover]

The Blind item saying this gay character (Blaine) will question himself and come to some decision at the end of the episode. Can they have Blaine who they portray as out and proud gay teen over the course of one episode come out as bi.

I think that Blaine will not come out as bisexual, but remains gay.

[Glorfindel]

Admittedly, we've been told a lot of things

That is very, very true. I'm not even sure why i'm surprised at this latest display of bonkers-ness. This starting to remind me of the latter seasons of 'Heroes'...

Edited by Glorfindel, Feb 14, 2011 @ 11:54 AM.

[hamble]

I will be bitterly disappointed if there isn't an opportunity for Kurt to discuss his brief attempt at a relationship with Brittany, and the deep, sincere and abiding love for his father that led him to try to effect that change in himself.

[bth5281]

I guess we are wrong

Over the weekend, speculation over a blind item ended up taking up momentum and it became widespread "knowledge" that Glee's newbie character Blaine, played by Darren Criss, would actually end up being bi instead of gay.

Ryan Murphy, co-creator of the show, got wind of this rumor and decided to share with us exclusively the truth of the matter. In an email he just shot over to us, Ryan explained:

"Blaine is NOT bi. He is gay, and will always be gay. I think it's very important to young kids that they know this character is one of them."
Agreed! Blaine's character has already been established and to veer off from that would just seem like a ratings ploy to us.

Besides, we know a lot of kids are really rooting for Klaine (that's Kurt and Blaine, aka Chris Colfer and Darren, for those of you who don't speak Gleek) to get together before season's end. Best not to screw with the hopes and dreams of Gleeks!








http://perezhilton.c...ay-not-bisexual

[Atony]

edited as I was beaten to the punch

I guess we are wrong

I think most people expected that Blaine would still finish the episode identifying as gay, though it is nice to have it confirmed. Like I said before I just really hope male bisexuality is treated with respect even though Blaine will realize he is not.

Edited by Atony, Feb 14, 2011 @ 12:12 PM.

[herkylover]

I guess Ryan must have been a little worried about all the negative hoopla surrounding the Blaine may be bi storyline, that he actually went out of his way to e-mail Perez Hilton to clear it up.

[mocoo]

I guess the irony of this whole storyline is that originally Kurt was the one that was needing support and guidance when in actuality Kurt is the one that has his shit together.

Edited by mocoo, Feb 14, 2011 @ 12:26 PM.

[Florinaldo]

How does one reconcile that e-mail to PerezHilton and RM's statement in the Out article?

"It’s my job as showrunner to keep them apart as long as possible," says Ryan Murphy. "Blaine will openly question whether bisexuality is real. I think that some people will love that discussion and some will not love it."

And note also how RM phrases it: "whether bisexuality is real", not "whether he is bisexual". Deliberate distinction or just the result of having to give an off-the-cuff answer?

It does not mean the questioning will not happen, just that the resolution is, as most people semed to expect, pre-ordained. And in the Out article, DC keeps describing the character as "gay"

If Blaine goes "maybe I am bisexual, just kidding!" and then Santana embraces her bisexuality it does add to the male biphobia.

A male bisexual storyline could be relevant and go beyond the biphobia you fear Atony, but using for it the character they introduced as the confident and secure gay teen would be a dangerous way to go considering RIB's propensity for unsubtlety.

Edited by Florinaldo, Feb 14, 2011 @ 12:37 PM.

[Elphie]

"Blaine will openly question whether bisexuality is real.

That's the quote. I think everyone jumped the gun and went crazy a bit. It doesn't say that he's questioning his sexuality. Maybe he's talking to Santana and is questioning whether someone can be bisexual. Maybe he believes you're either gay or not. Maybe they're taking the opportunity to challenge something he believes in and explain it to him and therefore get to explain it to the audience. It's starting a discussion, as RM says, not taking the character of Blaine and completely changing it.