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Posted Mar 1, 2012 @ 4:26 AM

lisadoll Why does Mel blame Joan for Edgar's death?

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Posted Mar 1, 2012 @ 4:35 PM

I think it's mostly reaction to his suicide and Mel's age at the time.

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Posted Mar 1, 2012 @ 5:24 PM

lisadoll~~I agree with everything you said. I would love to have a Mom who showed so much love to me and my children. I just watched the vacation episode and LOVED when Joan went camping with Cooper and made "smurfs"...lol!!

Edited by ButterQueen, Mar 1, 2012 @ 5:28 PM.


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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 3:14 AM

Cooper and Joan's good relationship must be real since we saw her holding his hand as they walked to their faux beach clean-up assignment. I've never seen him flinch away from Joan in public, so I take that as an indication that they have a wonderful grandmother/grandson relationship. Joan's comedy is very much like that of Don Rickles - a sort of scorch the earth type with no holds barred when making unflattering statements about people during their acts. There weren't that many women comedians when Joan began, so she probably had to have a "hook", and being blunt and ruthless in her observations became hers. I wouldn't want to be the object of her laser focus, but then again, celebrities know that they have to take the good with the bad. Show business people used to say that as long as people were talking about you, as long as your name was spelled right, then it was ok press. It was when no one cared any longer to even talk about you that you knew you were no longer relevant.

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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 8:14 AM

Joan's humor was largely trained on herself. She is no Don Rickles or Kathy whatshername slinging insults at others. She joked about being ugly and unwanted -- stuff like that. Lotta jokes about marital sex.

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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 10:10 AM

Like Phyllis Diller.

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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 11:36 AM

Joan pussyfoots around Melissa because she knew Melissa blamed her for Edgar's
suicide

I don't follow Joan Rivers, but I do remember the People Magazine article that came out shortly after Edgar's suicide (yes, the actual newsstand version... I'm old). It was just such a haunting story that I still recall details from it, and one of them was that he left two notes, one addressed to 'Joan Rosenberg' and the other to 'Melissa Rosenberg'. Isn't she calling herself Melissa Rivers now? I can't help wondering how her father would feel about that.

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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 12:45 PM

Kust to set the insult-comedian record straight, Joan Rivers really made fun of Elizabeth Taylor when she was heavy. There were a lot of barbs, some very hurtful.

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Posted Mar 2, 2012 @ 2:02 PM

The line I remember is that Taylor is so fat, she's the only person who stands in front of a microwave and yells "Hurry!!!".

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Posted Mar 3, 2012 @ 8:37 AM

I've been an ardent fan of Joan Rivers since the Ed Sullivan Show days.
There is NO ONE who is quicker or wittier, and it takes lots of smarts to be
that way. She earned all her success, and has battled back from many a
downfall (one being her husband's ego).
Melissa can't shine Joan's jewelry, and is about as insufferable as an entitled
Hollywood brat can be (my eyes roll out of my head whenever she alludes to
having to go back to "work.") And, as someone upthread noted wisely, she proves that money cannot buy beauty, and apparently not a great plastic surgeon either.
I think we have 2 things at play here:
Joan pussyfoots around Melissa because she knew Melissa blamed her for Edgar's
suicide, because she's her only child, and because she's crazy about Cooper (who
had the mighty good fortune of totally escaping the female part of his gene pool--phew!).
Melissa leeches off Joan because she feels she's responsible for her father's suicide and is going to make her pay dearly, she has no discernable talent of her own, and -- who wouldn't?
I'd kill to have Joan around all the time -- she shows a mother's love (no matter what the reason) like an animal, and I envy Melissa for that. And what a pisser
to hang out with, no matter what the barbs (millions in the bank and a house in Malibu go pretty far in my eyes to erasing any so-called hurt from a known Hollywood icon).
I hope Joan is around forever -- knowing her, she'll figure out a way to be stuffed and outfitted with a loop of her routines.
She has outlasted every other comic of her generation, for good reason.
One favor though: please cut down on the staged hijinks on the show; they're beneath you.


Holy crap. I was just about to post every thing you stated. Thanks for saving me the typing. Almost word for word.

The staged hijinx need to stop. They are obvious and the least entertaining part of the show. Just let Mel and Joan be themselves. They don't need the producer's interjections. The scene of Joan and Cooper picking up garbage from the beach added nothing other than an opportunity for Joan to spout some poorly scripted "jokes" from her so-called "comedy" writers. Please get back to the organics of the show: Joan loves Mel: Mel loves Joan; They both love Coop. That's all you need. Joan in naturally funny (Mel is not), let the situations happen based on this. The rest will fall into place and entertain the audience. And please just let Cooper be Cooper. Note to producers: You have one of the greatest comedic talents of our lifetime; just let her be her. Trust me, it will work. Don't force it.

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Posted Mar 3, 2012 @ 12:00 PM

There is NO ONE who is quicker or wittier, and it takes lots of smarts to be
that way. She earned all her success, and has battled back from many a
downfall (one being her husband's ego).

Word! Her husband's suicide, the Tonight Show thing, when Johnny Carson stopped having her on, it goes on. AND, she managed to overcome a lot without resorting to substance abuse. I don't care how many bong hits she takes, let her do her thing without a lot of crapped up interference.
Melissa, well, she clearly didn't inherit the funny gene, but I have to give her credit, she seems like she is trying to live a relatively normal life. Her son is charming and well-adjusted, and that is at least partially Melissa's doing.

Edited by blubld43, Mar 3, 2012 @ 12:01 PM.


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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 2:25 PM

And get rid of those damn bangs!

I cannot stand to watch Melissa talk with those bangs hanging down in her eyes. How does she see?

She's hiding behind the bangs she wants to neither see reality nor be seen as she truly is.

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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 4:31 PM

I like Mel's bangs ... it could be because I have a similar hairstyle and just don't want to admit to a fashion faux pas though :p

Cooper and Joan are so cute together, I would love to see more of the sweet homey sort of moments with the two of them than the fakey stuff like the joke writers bickering and that sort of stuff

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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 5:01 PM

ITA with all the comments about the show getting rid of the scripted stuff and letting Joan be herself. She can make the funniest off-hand comments in the moment, and few people can be so spontaneously entertaining. I remember such moments when she was on Celebrity Apprentice, and she's the same when she's doing product presentations on QVC. I admire her tenacity under circumstances that would have crushed most people. She built her business empire from sheer determination and hard work, and I love her relationship with Cooper!

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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 6:19 PM

The line I remember is that Taylor is so fat, she's the only person who stands in front of a microwave and yells "Hurry!!!".


...and when she got her ears pierced, gravy shot out!

She also has more chins than a Chinese phonebook.

Edited by sheetmoss, Mar 4, 2012 @ 6:19 PM.


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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 7:24 PM

Cheers, lisadoll, to your whole post just a bit upthread ! Beautifully put, and a nice homage to Queen Joan.

Now to this:

"One more face lift and she'll have a goatee." -- Patsy Stone, Absolutely Fabulous


Beg to respectfully differ: I strongly recall Joan herself, saying this years and years ago about noneother than - Gloria Vanderbilt.

Edited by Bossa Nova, Mar 4, 2012 @ 7:24 PM.


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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 7:33 PM

n/m

Edited by Patsy Stoned, Mar 4, 2012 @ 7:35 PM.


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Posted Mar 4, 2012 @ 9:21 PM

LOL....two days later and I'm just getting that joke! Sounds like something Joan would say!

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Posted Mar 5, 2012 @ 8:59 AM

...and when she got her ears pierced, gravy shot out!

She also has more chins than a Chinese phonebook.


She wore a yellow raincoat....two women tried to hail her on Madison Avenue.

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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 10:29 PM

I can't believe Sweaty Puffy is still included in the opening. They should at least add a red X over his face.

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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 11:16 PM

Joan loves Cooper soooooooo much and he adores Joan. I could watch a whole episode of just them two. I think Joan will live to be 100 because she could not stand to not be around for Cooper growing up. Seeing how she was jumping up and down (at 80!!) when he reached the top of the climbing wall made me tear up.

He is truly the apple of her eye. I can't say enough how much I enjoy them.

Edited by ferrisave, Mar 6, 2012 @ 11:17 PM.


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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 9:55 AM

Even though it was just for the cameras, Joan's attempt at rock climbing was hilarious. Her hands never left the rope & the poor guy was working so hard just trying to keep her horizontal, forget about upright.

An interesting tidbit revealed is that Joan made Melissa dress up so much during her childhood that Melissa prefers wearing casual clothing all the time now.

I loved Cooper wanting to sleep beneath the sky.

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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 10:08 AM

I dislike the weekly blowout between Joan and Melissa. It's really tiresome.

I think I would prefer just Joan going on adventures. These are the most entertaining parts of the show. If some of the adventures include the family once in a while, I can deal with that. I don't care to watch anymore fake drama.

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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 11:26 AM

Joan loves Cooper soooooooo much and he adores Joan. I could watch a whole episode of just them two. I think Joan will live to be 100 because she could not stand to not be around for Cooper growing up. Seeing how she was jumping up and down (at 80!!) when he reached the top of the climbing wall made me tear up.

He is truly the apple of her eye. I can't say enough how much I enjoy them.


I completely agree with all of this. Seeing her pride for him made me tear up as well. I LOVE seeing them together, it is so, so sweet.

I was literally laughing out loud at her trying to "rock climb" if that's what you want to call it. When she kept telling him she was on her way I just cracked up.

Edited by coffeeplease, Mar 7, 2012 @ 11:28 AM.


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Posted Mar 8, 2012 @ 2:28 AM

Ditto, ditto, ditto about how sweet Joan and Cooper are together. His expressions always look genuine to me. He looked sincerely confused and perplexed when he came out of the audition (even if it might have been fake) to witness the loud bickering between Joan and the other women in the waiting room. I also love Joan's admonitions to him about manners and how to interact with people. It's fun for me to see her wanting to share the specialness of NYC with him and to teach him about dressing up, attending plays, etc. All those things do matter, and I'm glad that Cooper seems receptive and respectful.

I don't care for her NYC apartment at all. I find it to be hideously garish, but I loved how Cooper wanted to sleep in the room with the ceiling that looked like the inspiration for the Venetian. When they were dragging out the air mattress, I looked at my husband and said, "An apartment that big and that expensive doesn't have at least three bedrooms!"

I hope Cooper grows up to be a well-adjusted, happy man. But, with his mother dating a porn industry executive, it could be quite dicey. Why in the world would she want to have anything to do with someone in that industry - ESPECIALLY after what her greasy, greasy boyfriend did? It makes less than zero sense to me.

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Posted Mar 8, 2012 @ 3:28 AM

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I have been thinking the same thing! Why? What for? A spin off? No. If not that, to prove she wasn't a stiff in bed? Whatever the reasons, I'm thinking about Cooper. Well, let's see how this unfolds.....

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Posted Mar 8, 2012 @ 4:33 AM

LabLover27,

I didn't even consider the possibility that the story line of Melissa's new relationship could prove to be a spin-off. Count me out because I have no interest in seeing this. How did she explain what this guy does for a living to Cooper? Such a person seems like a ridiculously inappropriate choice considering why she threw Jason out but even more egregious since she is the mother of such a young boy. I think this is one profession where the claim just cannot be made that it is just a job. I realize that this guy is not a participant in the "films" - at least I don't think so, but to be the CEO might even be worse.

I think I read somewhere that Joan is ok with Melissa dating him, and she said something to the effect - "It's just his job, not who he is". There's no way that parsing of the facts holds up. I'm disappointed that Joan has no problem with Melissa dating this guy, mostly because of the potential influence on Cooper.

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Posted Mar 8, 2012 @ 8:27 AM

I just had to say how much I loved Joan's NY apartment. It was gorgeous.

Watching Joan and Cooper walk through NY with Joan telling him about the city, while both were eating hotdogs....was just great. I love their relationship.

I have my doubts that Joan approves of Melissa's new boyfriend. I wonder if he will make an appearance on the show.

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Posted Mar 8, 2012 @ 6:09 PM

I find it interesting how people in Joan's orbit act around her, and treat her. I can't think of the assistant's name (Lynn?), but I do not think she, or the others, are healthy for Joan. Lynn's constantly asking if Joan is going to pay for their meal, and Joan does. More seriously, Joan offered to pay for everyone's plastic surgery during the intervention, thereby stopping the intervention cold. And even more seriously, IMO, is the fact that Lynn encouraged Joan to take marijuana. When I saw Joan awkwardly getting into the hottub while high, I couldn't stop but think about Whitney Houston and how she died. (I am watching the show on E!) and we're just on the 2nd show of the season, so I think we're a bit behind. But, anyway, I don't mean to say Joan's situation is as serious as Whitney's, obviously, but I think there are some uncomfortable parallels. Joan seems to have some mercenary people around her. Melissa was sincerely concerned about her mother's health, and invited her friends to step in and try to give Joan some advice. But as soon as they benefitted, they sided with Joan. I guess they go where the money goes. And if money is their priority, rather than Joan herself, I think Joan is in the midst of a dangerous dynamic.

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Posted Mar 8, 2012 @ 8:08 PM

find it interesting how people in Joan's orbit act around her, and treat her. I can't think of the assistant's name (Lynn?), but I do not think she, or the others, are healthy for Joan. Lynn's constantly asking if Joan is going to pay for their meal, and Joan does. More seriously, Joan offered to pay for everyone's plastic surgery during the intervention, thereby stopping the intervention cold. And even more seriously, IMO, is the fact that Lynn encouraged Joan to take marijuana. When I saw Joan awkwardly getting into the hottub while high, I couldn't stop but think about Whitney Houston and how she died.

This show is not to be taken that seriously for me. It's fun, most of the stories are clearly for the cameras.