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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 4:59 PM

Dreamdair, the spolier [s]about the ring coming back[/s] has actually been around for ages. As usual though Kristen is late to the party. I don't think Ed and Leighton promoting Harry Winston in China means CB engagement. It just means that the ring will make another appearance. Simple as that. To me CB were never going to properly have closure until that ring was brought back. It's like a dark void of dispair that's been held over CB since the end of season 3. So really there's only 2 reasons I could see them bringing it back now this late in the season given Safran and co said Blair will make her final choice by 5x24. One, CB engagement, or two, finally give CB proper closure.

Given all the signs to me are pointing against a CB engagement, I could see them bringing the ring back to finally put the end to CB romantically. There's no way Blair will propose to Chuck. It would be absolutely ridiculous given in 5x22 she was perfectly happy with Dan, in 5x21 she admitted that Chuck played a massive role in her losing herself, and we have spoilers that [s]DB are still together until at least mid 5x24[/s]. So I couldn't see Blair doing a complete 180 in 2 episodes given she's supposed to be "finding herself" again and to me finding herself doesn't suggest jumping to yet another guy. I also couldn't see Chuck proposing. I'd hoped that he's matured a little since season 3 and knows its not right to propose to someone that's dating someone else.

I could see Blair doing a "I choose me", which I'd like too.

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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 9:36 PM

Like your analysis Snapshots. I too think it would be ridiculous to do a 180 in two episodes and I suppose all these "spoilers" is to have everyone tune in and have more dialogues about it.

Snapshots and Noname42, you have helped me to believe in the DAIR storyline. After researching and reading others opinion, it does make sense for me. In the finale, Blair will be with Chuck in China for the grand opening of HW store or something and decided that they more better at friends. The ring has been a curse for them and will gamble it at the casino. When Blair returns back to NY and goes to see Dan, he has already left to Rome in thinking that Blair chooses Chuck over him. However, it doesn't explain the twist between Serena and Blair friendship. Is it because Serena confesses to Blair about being GG?

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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 5:26 PM

In the finale, Blair will be with Chuck in China for the grand opening of HW store or something and decided that they more better at friends.


Ed and Leighton never filmed any of that stuff as part of GG. It was a separate promotion they did for a store in China. There will be nothing about CB and the opening of a HW store in the finale.

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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 8:19 PM

I guess my suspicions earlier was accurate. The "Return of the Ring" is when Chuck will propose to Blair probably after reading Blair's diary from GG. Well fans, all good things must come to an end. Guess I will now switch over to Dan and Serena's forum. I still think Dan and Blair had the best and interesting Chemistry on the show. I suspect that Lily and Rufus will be over and just remain as friends so that Dan and Serena can be a couple. Serena will spend time with Dan in Rome for the summer.

S and B relationship will be for S6 but will make up towards the end of the series finale. Not even sure if this season finale is even worth watching since we all know what's the outcome going to be.

Fans, we were "fooled" but the DAIR storylines but at least it was a ride. However, wish I could have those times back.

Edited by dreamdair, May 7, 2012 @ 8:16 PM.


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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 9:14 PM

I was originally a C/B fan but I thought the Dair scenes in the later part of the season were well done. I also don't believe that C/B are back on. The producers tease it in every season finale for a ratings boost but really they haven't been "on" since the middle of season 3. I don't think the Dair story is over.

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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 9:19 PM

Thanks for joining quidditch424 but tonight's episode and next week finale confirms it for me. Next week, we see Dan and Serena making out which kinda ruin it for me. I too enjoyed the DAIR scens tonight but the revealing of Blair's diary clearly states that she's still in love with Chuck. I don't know. Guess I'm not as good as you folks on interpreting these things.

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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 2:31 AM

Only because the previews always try to throw you off that I keep hope alive. I really think the Dan Serena scene has to be a dream sequence, it makes no sense and it's in the same place where Serena boned Nate years ago in high school.
The only thing I hate more than a C/B reunion is Dan and Serena one. I hated the whole "Ross/Rachel" thing on Friends, I stopped watching because of it. If GG go backwards on the relationships again I will not be tuning in for the last season.

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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 2:52 AM

The only thing I hate more than a C/B reunion is Dan and Serena one.

Agreed, the only thing I want to see less than a perverse retread is a boring retread.

I have no idea what to think about tonight's episode in terms of Dair. I was disconcerted by the episode and fully discouraged by the US aired promo. I didn't like Blair agreeing to go to Rome when she clearly was ambivalent and I didn't like Dan being insecure and lying this episode or last. The nice thing about Dair has, up to now been their honest communication, and it hasn't been all that long before the writers have seen fit to mess with that. In any cause, I'm wary but I'm not throwing in the towel just yet.

Besides, the Canadian promo posted in the promo thread seems less conclusive. Could still turn out as implied by the US promo, but maybe not.

Edited because apparently I was unable to spell "Rome" at 1 in the morning... uhg.

Edited by RachelKM, May 8, 2012 @ 5:11 PM.


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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 3:01 AM

The Canadian promos generally don't deceive, and they usually give everything away (i.e. "I told Chuck he doesn't have my heart anymore. I realized it belongs to someone else" from the end of 5x17).

So that one made it pretty clear that S somehow convinced Dan that he and Blair were over and they may or may not have slept together.

The US one is the one that's usually deceptive.

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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 4:12 PM

I too sorta agree with you all that it's even worse to throw S and D back as a couple. The Candadian promo is more promising than the US for DAIR but I really don't know after watching last night's episode and snippets from the finale.

Ichan, after reviewing the promo for next week, now I do think it's a possibility that the S and D scenes could be a dream sequence.

Determine to be optimistic, I believe the make out scene in the final between S and D will be a dream sequence. I'm thinking that Blair will loose Dan and think the worst which is that dream sequence. I just don't see how Dan and Serena could be making out in the finale when they haven't communicated for so long. I suppose the promos is playing with everyone's mind.

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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 7:55 PM

The Canadian promos play it straight unlike the CW ones. I haven't seen either, but I think most of us Dair fans have made peace with the fact that Dair will take a break. I do not think either Dan or Blair will go back to their exes, especially not Dan since he's been in love with Blair so long. If Serena is with Dan, it'll be similar to that scenario where Vanessa and Nate spent the summer travelling together after they broke up.

I continue to be optimistic about this ship since it is one of the best things about this show. Nothing is dead until this darn show is cancelled.

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 8:34 AM

Well, that episode was a depressing mess. It reminded me of the episodes coming up to the wedding where Blair's POV sort of disappeared to allow for any number of different possible outcomes and they are trying to do the same here with the season finale; but it just amounts to terrible writing whatever the payoff and really, if the writing and the episodes are this terrible you can't redeem it by having one tacked on scene at the end where Blair chooses Dan (if that's what happens)


Dan summed this whole thing up, way back in Season 3, even before he loved her, when he said to Blair;

Just to clarify: I do think you deserve to be with someone who makes you happy

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This begins and ENDS with Chuck


Except, it never ends. Somehow, the writers won't let any of the three characters move on. Even when Blair makes a definite choice, they let her fall into another enabling Chuck cycle. Blair is not doing anything to empower herself or further her own career; she's just sucked back to season 3 where she's dropping everything for Chuck again. I’m grieving for the Blair Waldorf that might have been, so I don’t blame Dan for being freaked out; he's fallen in love with her and he has to watch this nightmare play out again. Given past behaviour it’s easy to see why he’d fear that if Blair spent the summer alone with Chuck she’d get sucked back in; whatever you say about Dan he's basically a good man and a decent human being and he does actually want Blair to be happy. Chuck has never made her happy. So let’s not pretend Dan is the asshole in all this. In other circumstances he might be overreacting about Blair's reticence to come to Rome, but not when Blair is simply running around enabling Chuck again.


BREAK THE CYCLE

When the writers let Blair have that moment of self realisation that she had lost herself I hoped we might see Blair doing something for herself; the lyrics playing were ‘break the cycle’. As viewers we desperately need to see that for Blair's character.


If you want redeem Chair than you need to fix Chuck not break Blair again. Have Chuck take ownership of the mistakes he's made and offer a meaningful apology to Blair which shows genuine insight; if you want him to be the romantic lead he was never intended to be, fine, but it can't be accomplished by pretending none of that stuff ever happened and having Blair running back enabling him again. Blair needs to break the cycle for once and for all.


If Blair doesn’t want to go to Rome because she is choosing Blair I’d be happy enough; If Blair had done something for herself; been afforded a career opportunity of her own; or was choosing not to go because she felt it was too soon; honestly I wouldn’t have any issue. I don't have a problem with Blair not being in the same place as Dan because he's had a lot longer to work out how he feels and if they sat down and had an adult conversation she could explain this; but if she’s hesitating because of Chuck; if she is saying yes to Dan when she only means maybe; if she is sabotaging this relationship with Dan because of Chuck then honestly, I’m just about done because I don’t think I can keep watching this.



At this point I honestly don't know if Dan would be better off without her. All of that build up should have lead to them giving the relationship a decent shot yet the writers seem determined to condemn Blair to the fate of dropping everything to be a prop in Chuck's. If this writing is all for the sake of some 'who will she pick triangle’ then enough already; it's like Groundhog Day- only Bill Murray learnt something in that film and Blair appears to be learning nothing.



You cannot sustain this show on the basis of a never ending Chuck/Blair/Dan triangle and I am tired of seeing badly written episodes like a lot of what we've been given in season 5, simply to sustain plot contrivances. Maybe I should just pretend this finished in S05E17!!

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 9:29 AM

Longtime lurker here but I am a huge fan of Dan & Blair. I kinda gave up watching GG around the 3rd season but when I caught glimpses of Dan & Blair's relationship in season 4, I was reeled back in. For me, their storyline is different compared to the other characters' storylines. To go from enemies, to frenemies, to friends, to best friends, then lovers. They made my heart melt hehe.

But I am really hoping the writers don't actually have Dan & Serena hook up in the season finale and it's just Serena's drunk imagination. I'm in love with Dair but their relationship will definitely be tainted if a DS hookup takes place. I think Dair fans love the couple because of their honesty, support of one another, connection, pure&simple love. However, we are not masochists so how could we still support the couple if cheating takes place? Chair & Dair have many fans but I think the Dair fandom would just be demolished. I'm sure the writers want to continue the triangle into the last season and what's the point if Dair fans think they're better off separated.

In the promo, the hookup angles seem strange. I mean we see Dan definitely kissing which I hope is just her fantasizing when she really is with another man. The 'whole body' angles are of the back of his head or Serena covering him from the front which seems like an odd way to film that scene, don't you think? Here's to hoping because I just don't understand how the writers can produce something so beautiful (holding hands, Blair falling asleep on his shoulder, their 'When Harry Met Sally' scene, etc) to have it end in a hookup- especially one that is extremely similar to the NS hookup in S1. Blair has had extremely bad luck with Nate sleeping with Serena and Chuck sleeping with Jenny. I want Dan to be the one who would never do that to someone he loves.

Edited by LovesLove, May 9, 2012 @ 10:00 AM.


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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 11:58 AM

I want Dan to be the one who would never do that to someone he loves.


But Dan has done that- he did it with Georgina while he was dating, or immediately after he broke up with Serena in Season 1 (I honestly can't remember if they were officially broken up or not), and he did it with Serena while he was dating Vanessa in Season 3.

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 12:31 PM

Great analysis No Second Troy. Like many of you, I was tuned in for DAIR storylines. I think the promo is suppose to mislead us and it's doing a heck of a job. If we think what's going to happen, most of the time, it's the opposite which is good for us fans. So, I'm hoping there's a story in the D and S make out scenes and it might be Blair's imagination going wild. Also, it's interesting that the reveal of Blair's diary has some words cross out before and after the quote.

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 12:34 PM

Sorry Miashay But Dan didn't sleep with Georgina in Season 1 at all and he had broken up with Serena before he kissed Georgina; they broke up after he thought she had slept with someone else.

And he didn't sleep with Serena while he was with Vanessa though they did have a drunken kiss and woke up together.


As others have said sleeping with Serena after he tells Blair he loves her is completely different, particularly as he has repeatedly turned Serena down even before he began a relationship with Blair.

Edited by No Second Troy, May 9, 2012 @ 12:39 PM.


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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 1:34 PM

Thank you, No Second Troy. And miashay, I should correct myself and say I hope Dan would be the one to never do that to Blair- especially seeing how he currently loves her so much.

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 6:23 PM

The latest promo from the finale looks promising. Seems like Blair really cares what Dan thinks about the diary. The clip makes me believe she cares and probably love him. She wasn't sure in the last episode since she went through two bad relationships and didn't want that for her and Dan. If this is going to work out, I think Dan should allow Blair to "resolve" her inner issues and allow her to explore and do her own thing for the summer. It would be romantic to have them spend summer in Rome together but Blair can always visit. As you can tell, I'm trying to convince myself :-).

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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 12:35 PM

I'm totally convinced that spoiled part of Blair's diary revels that she actually is in love with Dan, but she was/is ashamed (or whatnot) to say it out loud and to confess her feelings to man himself.

Also, I choose to believe that she and Chuck will leave this season with agreement that they are better of as friends. And that will be the end of Chair (or so I pray)!!!

Of course, being that TPTB need drama for next season, they will make some kind of misunderstanding between Dan and Blair which will lead to a lonesome summer for both of them.

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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 1:09 PM

December13, I never thought about the reveal of Blair could be the fact she's really in love with Dan. They did say that Blair's decision would be clear in the finale. However, I'm interested in knowing why Serena says to Blair to "admit that she's still in love with Chuck" and Chuck says to Blair that he's "tired of playing games and need to move on with his life.." in the promo. Also, why does Dan question Blair if she wants to be in the relationship or not.

I think part of S6 will be between S an B friendship and making up.

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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 1:39 PM

I'm interested in knowing why Serena says to Blair to "admit that she's still in love with Chuck" and Chuck says to Blair that he's "tired of playing games and need to move on with his life.." in the promo. Also, why does Dan question Blair if she wants to be in the relationship or not.

Hmmm... Well, maybe, and I do hope I'm right, it's a part of Blair's diary written at the early beginning of her relationship with Dan or even before they became an item. GG is known for stirring the UES with bits and pieces, not telling the whole truth, so I wouldn't be surprised if she published something from way back when, and passing it of as news.

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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 7:48 PM

I think Dair is over and the putrid cadaver of Chair will be revived. Time for me to pack my stuff and bid adieu to GG.

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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 9:29 AM

The question now is where does the casino scene between B and C take place and at what point. My guess is that it could be towards the end where B might choose C and they have a great time for the summer overseas. So sad but a possibility.

Based on the latest spoilers (NO DISCUSSION) forum, Derena are not happening. There could be hope for us yet.

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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 3:35 PM

I watched Smallville for eight miserable seasons, and while Gossip Girl is not quite at that show's level of nonsense, I don't understand how Dan and Blair could be so quickly and easily unraveled after all the care that went into developing their relationship. Just last month, the show was closing episodes on healthy affirmations of Dan and Blair.

I hope that since the U.S. promo clearly showed Dan and Serena hooking up, there's definitely more than meets the eye. I'm okay with the D/C/B love triangle being resurrected once more if the final resolution that Safran promised is Chuck and Blair coming to some sort of closure about their romantic relationship. I was obsessed with them as much as any Chair stan during their heyday, but once I saw Dan and Blair watching movies simultaneously on their laptops, falling asleep on the couch together, bickering animatedly about pretentious art, eating pizza in Brooklyn, affirming one another's self-worth and careers, there's really no other pairing for me.

I'm also okay with Dan and Blair not spending the summer together, geographically OR relationship-wise, since as viewers we never get to see summer stuff anyway (I always hated that Logan and Veronica were always a couple during the summer hiatus, and would break up when the show actually resumed). Dan and Blair both have personal development to do, but all the evidence the show has given me about how right they are for one another can't be denied. They're the two that I can actually see have a fulfilling life together, long after they're both past their twenties.

Edited by Soleil, May 11, 2012 @ 3:37 PM.


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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 5:29 PM

I totally agree with you Soleil. I think all DAIR fans feel the same way. I don't watch Smallville that much but when I heard it was going off the air, I had to peak at the last two episodes. The scenes and dialogue between Lois and Clark were very touching. You can see how much they care and love for each other. I was hoping that for DAIR. Like yourself, I too was hook on the buildup between Dan and Blair.

Don't give up just yet, the promos are always misleading and DAIR can still happen (crossing my fingers). Just for sake, if Blair chooses Dan, I do think that Dan will return for S6 with a new and suave look, like the picture you see on Penn Badgley wikipedia. That is, if his new movie "Greetings from Tim Buckley" wraps up before S6 begins.

I just posed in the "Gossip Girl in the Media" forum. I'm not that optimistic about DAIR now based on that source article.

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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 7:16 PM

I don't understand how Dan and Blair could be so quickly and easily unraveled after all the care that went into developing their relationship. Just last month, the show was closing episodes on healthy affirmations of Dan and Blair.


I think this is my problem as well. There was no gradual decline in their relationship like I saw with CB in season 3. Their final scene in 5x21 showed how good and healthy they were for one another and how happy they were...but in the next episode they immediately jumped to Blair running after Chuck to fix all of his problems again and Dan having trust issues. There was no warning at all. One moment they were perfect, and the next they're imploding due to Chuck. I get that the writers want to ramp up the drama and angst for the finale to keep viewers wondering who Blair will choose, but jumping from perfectly happy to virtually breaking up in one episode makes utterly no sense from a story telling perspective.

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Posted May 14, 2012 @ 8:08 PM

Agh! I was about to post something about Dair shipper hearts breaking en masse tonight, but I just can't. I don't even feel sad, I just feel pissed off by the GG writers. I don't feel like tonight's finale made any narrative sense. It doesn't make sense for Blair to end things with Dan and take up with Chuck based on what has happened in the most recent episodes. So I guess this means Dan/Blair are over forever? I won't be tuning in for season 6. I am 110% NOT interested in seeing the Chuck/Blair show, round 100.

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Posted May 14, 2012 @ 8:10 PM

Well, that was Smallville levels of relationship development (sorry, dreamdair. You and I agree on Dan/Blair but I hate Smallville's version of Lois and Clark with the fire of ten thousand red suns). Looks like the writers decided to go with a Twilight romance rather than a realistic yet still romantic one.

Bye, Gossip Girl! It was fun catching up again for a season and a half.

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Posted May 14, 2012 @ 8:25 PM

All I have to say about tonight's episode for DAIR is pathetic. Pathetic...pathetic. I agree with funnybottoms that it absoutely makes no sense. Basically, tonight's episodes was about going back to GG roots. I originally thought the show was about maturity and growth. Obviously not. The only person I respect in this episode was Nate and Lola. Unfortunately, Lola will not be returning for S6 since she's got something better. I can tell you that you will not see me blogging when S6 starts. I cannot say enought about how disappointed I am on GG. Tonight episodes have ruin everything that was good since the middle of S4-S5. I still cannot believe how they screwed up Blair. I no longer have any respect for her and the choices she made. Tonight episode also help confirm everything he hates about UES.

Damn, can't believe I've wasted so much time and investement in GG. Oh well, have a great summer DAIR fans. Sorry to say but you will not see me blog much next season.

Still can't believe it.

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Posted May 14, 2012 @ 8:28 PM

Wow, I did not expect that! I anticipated some sadness but they really ruined Dan & Blair's relationship! I couldn't even feel bad that Dan slept with Serena because Blair didn't choose him and wasn't going to tell him she was going to Chuck to tell him she loved him anyway. And then they never speak to each other again? Where did the storyline of this episode come from? What was the point of Dan & Blair getting together and having a beautiful relationship? Was it all just a prop to get Blair&Chuck back together and have Dan be the villain of the UES?

What a frustrating episode. I've liked many tv couples and I've never seen a relationship get destroyed as much as Dan & Blair's.