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[TWoP Mars]

From Sho.com:

In the season 6 finale, Nancy must free herself from the grip of Esteban in order to escape the country along with her family. At the airport, Andy attempts to calm the nerves of Shane and Warren. Meanwhile, Silas must decide whether to stay with Lars or leave with the Botwins.

[Nightmare Logic]

Is that the season finale or series finale because that episode worked as both. Dude!!!!!! Mama finally did the right thing....more or less.

That last few moments....Plan C.

Poor Mr. Schiff , nice of him not to rat out the family though....and he really did love Nancy. Not sure how I feel about that, but still....awwww.

So assuming there's another season, where to now?

If this is the end, there are worse ways to end it.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Nov 15, 2010 @ 10:35 PM.

[swampy]

Wow.

I would be happy if that was the end. I'm glad it's not, though. I have no idea where we go from here.

If MLP and Hunter are not nominated for Emmys this year, then clearly no one in the Academy has been watching Weeds at all. The whole thing was incredible. My favorite finale used to be "Go", but I think this one takes the cake now.

[NecrOphelia]

That was perfection. Seriously, my heart was in my throat the entire time. Can't believe I have to wait a freaking year to see this resolved.

If MLP and Hunter are not nominated for Emmys this year, then clearly no one in the Academy has been watching Weeds at all.

Co-signed. Hunter in particular had me near tears, especially his face at the end when the plane was taking off. He looked so tortured. Everyone was on their game tonight. Poor Shane just had a feeling she wasn't coming. Loved Andy's "You ruined my life." He meant it, but he said it with such affection.

I do feel bad for Schiff. Off his nut, but he was a good guy, at least to the Botwins.

So, Plan C. Now what?

[Dirk Diggler]

Still processing. Definitely kept me on the edge of my seat. Seems like there were other ways Nancy could have ditched Esteban and Guillermo in a crowded security-paranoid airport without having to resort to Plan C. It also seemed unusually dumb for Nancy to threaten Esteban in the car by saying she was going to rat out all his activities to law enforcement. She was certainly not giving him many reasons to keep her alive. Those bits detracted a little from the finale for me.

Many of my predictions have not played out, but I did post in Viking Pride that the writers may have been setting up Nancy for some sort of "redemption arc" where she goes to confront the Pilar situation to save her family. And that seems to be what we got.

FYI - the airline they were flying on was "Air Caelum." As I recall from high school Latin, that translates as "Air Heaven." So the theme of martyr Nancy sacrificing herself so her beloved can find peace (i.e., heaven) is pretty overt.

[cjuniverse]

Can I ask what plan C is? Was it to keep Nancy alive? That's why she gave herself up as the killer?

Beautiful episode. Silas has been awesome this season. That is all.

Edited by cjuniverse, Nov 15, 2010 @ 11:48 PM.

[braggtastic]

Plan C was for Andy to call the FBI and give up Nancy's location. Why they didn't go into the airport instead of waiting outside, I don't know. I also don't know why there were so many empty seats on a flight that was supposedly fully booked. But it was a good finale.

[sophiec]

I think they were in the airport. I kept noticing more and more guys in suits walking behind Nancy and crew as they walked toward the doors.

[LyriaO]

I also don't know why there were so many empty seats on a flight that was supposedly fully booked.

I figured the three seats in their rows were for Nancy, Silas and the baby, maybe? That was so intense and I'm still geeking out over it. Probably their best finale.

[emziez]

If MLP and Hunter are not nominated for Emmys this year, then clearly no one in the Academy has been watching Weeds at all

I need to add the love of my life Justin Kirk to this. Because every year he's amazing and every year no one gives a fuck.

Sometimes MLP bothers me so much and I cannot figure out whether or not its her acting choices or the fact Nancy is painfully difficult. But other times like tonight she hits it out of the park.

And in terms of acting, I forgot that Alexander Gould was mad talented until tonight. Lately Shane has been all psychotic one liners and shock value. Tonight he was more of a terrified boy.

I wish Mr. Schiff could have stayed. I absolutely thought the po' were coming for Shane.

I know I'm biased as I established with my first comment, but Andy is the bees knees and his "you ruined my life" killed me a little bit. Yes, he might have ruined it himself in some form. But he's very much one step back two steps forward. The moral center of this show has shifted a lot and obviously its on Silas now, but Andy has always had somewhat of a conscience and his decency was on full blast tonight. I don't mean with the First Base liplock. That was just Andy.

I didn't realize Weeds had the capacity to choke me up a little bit. What the hell.

Edited by emziez, Nov 16, 2010 @ 1:03 AM.

[Miss Perception]

I am also confused as to whether that was the season finale or the series finale. But I also agree that it works, either way.

Finally, FINALLY, after 6 seasons, Nancy not only thinks of her family first, but actually faces some consequences to her actions.

Yay.

Edited by Miss Perception, Nov 16, 2010 @ 1:43 AM.

[legs]

Great finale. I was surprised considering I haven't loved the past few episodes.

Can anyone ID the song playing during the credits?

[breazy]

Weeds was renewed for a 7th season back in September, so this was just a season finale, not a series finale.

[dwmarch]

The song sounded very Amy Winehouse-ish. I liked it as well and I hope someone can source it...

Good finale, considering how much of it took place in the airport. I was a little put off by the idea that you could take someone hostage in an airport until the very end when all of a sudden more and more guys in suits are following them.

I wonder if the next season will show the Botwins in Europe at all. Nancy's fate will certainly make the papers so they might end up just turning around and flying right back. At least they've got Schiff's fat bag of cash.

Guillermo is awesome and it's a shame he doesn't like Nancy.

Note to self: never bitch at Andy about not getting to first base with him. Because he will kiss you... on the mouth. Even if you are male... and related to him. Wow.

[machinerageson]

Can anyone ID the song playing during the credits?

Hey Ho by Gin

[trippyhop]

Can anyone ID the song playing during the credits?

"Hey Ho" by Gin Wigmore. Yeah, I totally agree that it was Amy Winehouse-lite. Similar to "You Know I'm No Good" in the way the verses were structured.

Definitely the best finale since "Go." The last two finales had great moments (the car/butter cookies scene in IYWFAL, the shocking final moments in "All About My Mom"), but I haven't been this riveted by an entire finale episode. It was definitely intense, which was interesting given the airport setting. You always seem to think of romantic interludes or something at airports, thanks to rom-coms. Or sad goodbyes. Wait. Yeah, we got those.

Speaking of, I LOVE the fact that none of the goodbyes were goodbyes in the "I'll miss you!" big epic speech. They were much more powerful with all of the things that were left unsaid but implied. I particularly loved Nancy and Silas's goodbye. With their relationship the way it's become, it was appropriate, and man, did MLP and HP knock it out of the park. Who knew that Silas would become one of my favorite characters. And who knew that Nancy's insane maternal instinct kicked in right at the moment they did. Arguably several years too late, but she damn sure made it count.

I also thought it was interesting that the last minutes, with Nancy being escorted through the airport reminded me a LOT of the series finale of "The Sopranos," with the shady looks that were being given by shady people while our lead was having a conversation with other people. The difference here being that we got follow-up and a satisfying conclusion to those moments and looks. I was curious why Nancy was... blase isn't the word, but nonchalant, I guess?... about having just said goodbye to her family, possibly forever, and wasn't a big wreck. Obviously, she had another thing in mind, something that would save her family, maybe destroy her nemeses, and end her. An amazing sequence.

Maybe more after the rewatch. I have something in my eye. A lot of something.

And I'm shocked that no one's mentioned that Jenji pulled a Hitchcock and inserted herself into the episode. The episode itself was pretty Hitchcockian with the constant suspense throughout.

ETA: machinerageson, you beat me to it!

Edited by trippyhop, Nov 16, 2010 @ 3:16 AM.

[Monty Fresh]

That was a great finale to a largely brilliant season. I cannot think of a show which has pulled itself out of the mud as well as Weeds has managed this year.

[CrashEdit]

I enjoyed it as well -- was that Jenji I saw crossing in front of them at the airport?

Edited to add: Jinx!

Edited by CrashEdit, Nov 16, 2010 @ 11:11 AM.

[Kringas Jones]

Even if you are male... and related to him. Wow.

Well, technically, they AREN'T related. :)

I agree that the episode was great.

[ocean1blue]

Nancy's good bye to Silas really got to me. They both said so much without saying a word. Silas is so Nancy's son isn't he? Wanting to do his own thing but drawn back to the family, realizing that his actions placed them all in danger, coming back when he needed to, right when he needed to. No matter how they all try to deny it, the love is there, and they are a family no matter who is the sperm daddy.

[gingerella 000]

I kept wishing Nancy would just give Stevie to Esteban and then run onto the plane and leave with the family. Is that shallow of me?

ETA: I love how Nancy, a housewife from a planned community, can outsmart a gangland killer and a drug cartel kingpin. It was soooo satisfying when those airport doors opened and that SWAT team was waiting for them. The looks on Esteban and Guillermo's faces was priceless.

Edited by gingerella 000, Nov 16, 2010 @ 12:19 PM.

[The Solution]

FYI - the airline they were flying on was "Air Caelum." As I recall from high school Latin, that translates as "Air Heaven." So the theme of martyr Nancy sacrificing herself so her beloved can find peace (i.e., heaven) is pretty overt.

Caelum means "chisel".

THAT ought to generate a few pages of speculation as to what the writers were trying to say with that.

[Dirk Diggler]

Caelum means "chisel".

Not quite. It most commonly means "heaven" (or sky), from which we get the English word "celestial."

http://latindictiona...com/noun:caelum

http://www.eudict.co...amp;lang=lateng

http://www.perseus.t.....Aentry=caelum

http://books.google....Y...p;q&f=false

While caelum does have a secondary meaning of "chisel," this meaning is far less common. Indeed, as shown by first three links above, this definition is not even included in many Latin dictionaries.

Quick example: Matthew 24:35 from the Latin Vulgate reads "caelum et terra transibunt verba vero mea non praeteribunt." This translates as: "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will not pass away."

If the writers are going to use Latin words for symbolism I would expect them to use them in accordance with their commonly known meanings and not obscure meanings.

Edited by Dirk Diggler, Nov 16, 2010 @ 10:49 PM.

[Aja]

I just have to chime in with the love. This whole season was downright phenomenal. I don't think I have EVER seen a turnaround like this...even the "dud" episodes (the trailer park, the carnival) were thoroughly entertaining. And this...I thought it was for sure the series finale when it freeze-framed on Nancy's face at the end, and then I came here and learned that there will be another. I can't even begin to imagine what they'd do to top this season (...courtroom scenes? Shane, Silas and Andy doing stuff in Copenhagen? I seriously have no idea), but I'll definitely be tuning in to find out! Weeds has just earned back my steadfast loyalty through whatever is to come, even if it sucks eggs.

As much as Nancy's choices and vanity and selfishness have made her extremely unsympathetic at times, I just can't stop myself from rooting for her. My soul let out an involuntary cheer when she outsmarted Esteban. AGAIN.

[Belmont]

What a great ending to a great season. Sure Nancy could have ditched Esteban and Guillermo, but then she would have have been back on the run again with just her and the baby and no money. And giving herself up to law enforcement takes the heat off Shane. So for once she actually did something totally selfless and that makes sense. Can't wait for next season. Maybe the theme will be Nancy in the Big House. And Andy and the boys in Denmark with a lot of money and no supervision, lots of fun to come.

Edited by Belmont, Nov 16, 2010 @ 2:35 PM.

[Anastasia169]

What a great episode and finale! Thye only question I have is why not let Shane face the consequences of Pilar's murder? He is a juvenile and I believe the crime took place in California. He might serve a couple of years in juvenile detention, but more likely a mental health facility and be done with it. Of course, this becomes harder when your mother is the wife of a cartel kingpin, so I think I just answered my own question. Not to mention that Shane is still a boy from Agrestic at heart and his psycho-killer schtick might not play as well with real hoodlums.

I loved Nancy's redemption and loved that she and Andy had contingency planning that we never saw. I wonder what it cost Andy to make the necessary phonecalls to ensure Nancy's capture. Let's hope that she can tell a story that puts Esteban and Guillermo in adjoining cells. Let's hope that Nancy can strike a deal that keeps her out of jail while putting the entire cartel in jail. I'm sure she has a plan - let's hope its a good one. I will be watching to find out.

Esteban is such an idiot if he didn't think that Nancy had an ace up her sleeve somehow, but then it is the nature of men like Esteban to underestimate women like Nancy. Though the really creepy thing about Esteban this season and episode is how clear it was that Stevie is just an extension to Esteban. Esteban wanted his son, not because he was Stevie, but because of what a son represents in terms of continuity - Stevie could be anyone as long as he was male and Esteban's son; the actual person didn't matter.

Can't wait to see what happens next season and can't believe I have to wait almost a year. I hope we get to see the boys in Denmark for at least an episode before they come riding to Nancy's rescue.

[ElectricWings]

What a fantastic season finale! It was funny, suspenseful, heartbreaking, and sweet all at the same time. Way to rise like phoenix out of the ashes, Show. Bravo.

Loved Andy telling Shane to “talk like Bjork!”

I liked how Shane called Silas his half-brother but immediately told Lars to “shut the fuck up” when he said Andy wasn’t Silas’ uncle. Despite all the drama, this is a family that loves one another.

So glad this wasn’t the series finale because I can’t wait to see what Jenji has in store for season 7.

[vagabond]

I hope we get to see the boys in Denmark for at least an episode before they come riding to Nancy's rescue.

Oh, I hope we get more than one episode in Copenhagen. Andy deserves a vacation, dammit. And maybe Doug will show up there, too. That'd be fun. But I have a feeling he's going to be hauled in for questioning by the Feds once Nancy starts talking....

[machinerageson]

So for once she actually did something totally selfless and that makes sense.

I had a different take on the ending, and didn't really see giving herself up as totally selfless. More like Nancy being Nancy, and looking out for number one. The Nancy way of outsmarting Esteban, and assuring that she comes out on the other side relatively unscathed (alive). Yes, I think she was selfless in the fact that she made sure her children got on the plane, and were safely getting out of the country, but in the end it's all about Nancy saving her own skin.

Edited by machinerageson, Nov 16, 2010 @ 3:59 PM.

[artsygal]

They announced the renewal in September, I think, so Jenji may have planned a "Satisfying" ending for the season with the expectation that there may not be a Season 7.