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[TWoP Mars]

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Nancy, attempting to score some big cash, returns to her hometown where she takes up residence with Warren an old acquaintance. Andy and Doug try to secure information on where to locate fake passports. Meanwhile, Silas and Shane curiously dig into Nancy's past.

[emziez]

I loved every minute of it.

[swampy]

I call bullshit if Silas is not Judah's son.

Other than that, what a great episode. Bit by bit, we are learning about Nancy. Can't wait for next week.

[lanter]

Very solid episode and I loved the twist ending.

Nancy sure has a knack for finding hot drug dealers to do business with.

[Dirk Diggler]

Episode was so-so. Hardly any Nancy-Andy banter, which I always find to be the most entertaining.

The timing does not seem to work for the high-school boyfriend being Silas' father. Isn't Silas supposed to be 18 years old? If Nancy was 18 years old as a senior in high-school, then Nancy would be 36. While MLP is beautiful and looks absolutely terrific for her age (46), playing a 36 year old may be a little bit of a stretch. Has the show ever indicated what Nancy's age is supposed to be? Also, the show has on at least two occasions said that Nancy was a dance major at Berkeley but she never finished her degree. This implies she was not pregnant during at least the first year or two of college.

So the Ellis guy from the cemetery is a PI/bounty hunter sent by Esteban? He is obviously not law enforcement or he would have immediately taken Nancy into custody, especially since she conveniently had the baby with her. So why is he stalking them? Perhaps to grab the baby when he has the opportunity and take him back to Esteban?

Edited by Dirk Diggler, Oct 26, 2010 @ 8:39 AM.

[CrashEdit]

Dirk, I see where you're going with the ages discrepancy, but it's not like you cease to go home once you go to college. Nancy could've hooked up with her old high school boyfriend during a college break, gotten preggers and then dropped out - maybe because of the pregnancy? Judah could've been the college boyfriend who was conveniently there to take responsibility!

I do call bullshit on this drink that Nance is selling. The bar owner is willing to sell this without knowing what the hell it is -- okay, a stretch, but possible -- but more confusing is he's willing to sell this thing and Andy and Nance didn't even bother trying to come up with a name for it. How is he going to promote it to his customers? "Hey, I got this drink and it'll get you high. Nope, don't know what it's called, don't know what's in it. Some girl gave it to me. $20 a shot."

Recreational drug users -- especially those who tend to "up" more than "down" -- usually aren't *that* gullible, mostly because they're used to asking questions about what stuff is cut with. I'm not saying they wouldn't take it, but I would think it would make it a lot harder to sell knowing next to nothing about it.

[braggtastic]

So very convenient that everyone still lives in the same house 30 (or 20 if we're subtracting years off MLP's age) years later. A former teacher who has a history of mental health issues and is now a postman seems like he would have moved once or twice.

[puck71]

Very solid episode and I loved the twist ending.

I would have been surprised if that guy wasn't someone other than who he said he was. The family cemetery plot is a pretty obvious place to stakeout if you're looking for someone on the run. And I would be incredibly surprised if Nancy didn't suspect it as well. Some "coincidence" that he just happens to not be pictured in the yearbook.

Isn't Silas supposed to be 18 years old?

I thought he was more like 20 at this point, but I don't know if that helps the math much.

[swa2003]

"I thought he was more like 20 at this point, but I don't know if that helps the math much."

If not 20 he should be pretty close to it because at the end of season 4? when Nancy reveals she's pregnant Silas has just turned 18 and the baby is at least 3 months old by now so Silas should be older than 18. I do wonder why throughout the seasons there has been this constant questioning of Silas' paternity. From the casual way it was mentioned by the grandfather to the now very overt subplot, is this actually going somewhere or is it just for comic relief? I've always thought the show was reproducing in Silas and Shane the dichotomy between Andy and Judah, and that's why they focused on the differences in Silas' physical appearance but I would be very shocked if Judah wasn't Silas' father. Although we are talking about Nancy so who knows.

As an aside to the commenter who called bullshit on the made up drink, I think Nancy is so anxious to make money she couldn't care less about naming the product (Andy might though) and she did tell the club owner they would bottle it and slap some labels on it which I'm guessing will involve naming it. Secondly, we are talking about some type of illegal substance and from what the bar owner said I don't think his customers are worried too much about whether something has a name or how much it costs as long as it gets them high enough to fuck like bunn... dogs, his words not mine.

[Dirk Diggler]

Okay, perhaps Silas is 20. Also, CrashEdit's theory is plausible that Nancy got pregnant while in college and perhaps that is why she did not finish. Recall, Esteban reciting Nancy's background at their first meeting in his office in Season 4? I believe he said that she did not finish her last semester at Berkeley. So she may have left school at 20-21 due to pregnancy. That would make Nancy 40-41, which seems more reasonable.

[dwmarch]

Doug finally got to do something useful, even if it was only a small thing. Being able to remember the address of Uncle Sam was a nice callback to his seemingly long-forgotten career as an accountant.

It never occurred to me that the nerdy high-school crush guy was anything other than a cop. I find it kind of funny that she unwittingly avoided danger because she has no use for nice guys. The guy should have told her what he was up to; she probably would have blown him right there in the cemetery.

I wasn't too happy with the Andy plotline. He seems to go from cunning off-the-grid expert to clueless idiot and this episode was a prime example. His effort to find passports right in the middle of a prayer service was silly. Compare this to how smooth he was when trying to score weed while they were at the hotel in Seattle.

Since the teacher's medication is part of the new drink they're making I wonder if the teacher is going to go nuts without it. Cue awkwardness.

I don't think Silas' other dad is his actual father. They do look alike but Silas isn't a car guy and would never settle for a fat chick. I wonder if this is Shane getting a little revenge for the dumpster diving escapade last week.

[Prettybird]

When the teacher was talking about Nancy's dance outfit I was waiting for him say she wore a glittery silver top hat with it to tie back to the nude photos of her from back a couple of seasons.
I find it pretty interesting that the boys have figured out that their mom is not really the best parent, but now are learning about what she was like in her younger days. They are seeing (with more mature minds) how she has been pretty wild all along.

[CrashEdit]

As an aside to the commenter who called bullshit on the made up drink, I think Nancy is so anxious to make money she couldn't care less about naming the product (Andy might though) and she did tell the club owner they would bottle it and slap some labels on it which I'm guessing will involve naming it.

Nancy said she'd put it in a branded bourbon bottle as a decoy, not that she'd bottle it with a label.

[freespeech]

I don't think Silas' other dad is his actual father. They do look alike but Silas isn't a car guy and would never settle for a fat chick. I wonder if this is Shane getting a little revenge for the dumpster diving escapade last week.

I think the new character will turn out to be Silas's real dad, because we've seen hints on the show. This show doesn't usually have subtle clues. And, the new character is written to act like Silas. Also, he dresses like Silas, and has a very similar build.

I don't think you can guess parentage by Silas not shown to be a 'car guy' who would also 'never settle for a fat chick.' People acquire new interests, and people change their tastes.

[Anastasia169]

I forgot about the grandfather suggesting that Silas wan't Judah's son. Good memory and that makes the sub-plot easier to swallow. I wonder if Judah ever suspected, though when two dark-haired, dark-eyed people have a blonde blue-eyed child it usually raises some eyebrows.

I'm so tired of Nancy being so bone-headed stupid. I don't care that she is a criminal. I don't care that she is a terrible mother, but the stupidity just irks me. Why oh why would you return to your hometown when you are a fugitive from law enforcement and the criminal underworld? The given explanation, that fake passports will be easier to obtain in the hometown is ridiculous. Yes, people do stupid things when under stress and when under threat of losing touch entirely with their former life, but if your literal life and freedom is one the line? It seems to me that visits to family graves and pervy high school teachers could be skipped. After all, Nancy has shown zero interest in her family and her past up until this point, with the exception of the one visit to her sister, but now, when everything is at stake she needs to visit family graves? Come to think of it this doesn't ring true and speaks not of Nancy's stupidity but of the writers being caught with their contrivances down.

I guess we now know why those interviews didn't seem like normal law enforcement practice. Are we certain that Esteban sent the bounty hunter? It could still be somebody connected with Pilar.

[artdogs505]

I like chiseled-face guy as Silas' bio dad. I actually always hated the "TV casting" of Hunter as the child of MLP and JDM. (Kind of like all those Cosby kids, who looked absolutely nothing alike!!) Gould is believable as their child -- but not Hunter. Just a pet peeve of mine, when TV families have absolutely no physical resemblance.


They'll have to explain the math a little bit to make it totally plausible -- or reveal that Judah even knew, but adopted Silas as his son. But given how crazy Nancy is turning out to be, nothing would be surprising at this point.

[fiedler]

I wasn't too happy with the Andy plotline. He seems to go from cunning off-the-grid expert to clueless idiot and this episode was a prime example. His effort to find passports right in the middle of a prayer service was silly.

It's the same technique he used to score fake drivers licenses in... ?seattle? However, obtaining fake passports is a whole different league - I think Andy is out of his depth on this one! Copenhagen is a beautiful (pipe)dream.

Loved the whole Silas surfer dad thing. Hope he gets to know his dad - Shane will be jealous!

I'm guessing the introduction of the 'a-rabs' is gunna figure into the plot in a big way. Do you get the feeling they will regret doing business with the infamous Miss Botwin?

[beauxpeepshow]

I wonder if Judah ever suspected, though when two dark-haired, dark-eyed people have a blonde blue-eyed child it usually raises some eyebrows.

Family members don't always look alike. My parents and I all have dark hair and hazel eyes, but my sister is blonde and blue-eyed. It's only odd until you look at my mom's sisters, who all have light colored eyes and hair.

Which is part of why I don't buy that Silas's dad isn't Judah. In every season, Silas has shown resentment towards being a part of that family and continually getting sucked into predicament after predicament. It would probably be a huge relief to find out that he has biological relatives who may be saner, and possibly more able to give him a stable life. I suspect Shane has picked up on that sentiment and is using it to mess with Silas, especially after that dumpster diving escapade.

[avaleigh]

Nancy is a fool for going to that cemetary.

I don't think Judah was the biological father of Silas. It's so funny to see how pleased Shane is about this news. I never really realized how resentful he was of Silas until this season.

The only scene I disliked was the dumb one where Andy did the loud whispering inside of the mosque.

Nancy shouldn't be carrying around Stevie in public IMO if she has the amber alert out on her. Isn't it better for them to not be seen too much in each other's company? (And why the hell doesn't she wear a disguise anymore?)