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[TWoP Howard]

From ZAP2it:

When Samcro pays a visit to another charter, not everyone's happy to see the mother chapter.

Well, there’s a surprise.

Note the longer episode time.

Edited by TWoP Howard, Oct 25, 2010 @ 9:27 PM.

[LazyBum1115]

SAMCRO went to Ireland and all I got was this lousy episode.

[lottiedottie]

All I can say is "ugh". That opening scene where they get away from the police (thank god Gemma came, right?) was utterly ridiculous. Par for the course this season!

Someone help me with a math problem.
Trinity was born in 1988. It's 2008 in SAMCRO world. How is she 22?

And the Lila pregnancy? Ugh, come on! Who's gonna get knocked up next? The hospital admin? At least Lila was being practical and honest with herself.

I don't know what to make of this show any more.

[peridot16]

Ugh, I hate that they introduced a possible Trinity/Jax hookup. Maureen or Gemma needs to come clean already.

The prospect was a coward, but who could blame him. I wonder what happens to prospects who abandon the club?

It was good to see Darby turn down the chance to be a lapdog. I hope Lumpy is alright.

I can't help but laugh at Tig's callousness about Unser's cancer.

I know we're supposed to be sad about Abel's kidnapping, but it feels like they're just throwing up the worst shit they can to stretch out the reunion. I'm losing interest in that storyline.

Edited by peridot16, Oct 26, 2010 @ 10:40 PM.

[Empress1]

I'll say it: how'd Lyla know the baby was Opie's? I'm not judging her sex work but she has sex for a living; if she was using birth control and it failed (as mentioned in last episode's thread, condoms often aren't used in straight porn - and Lyla's "been here before" so she's clearly had a few slip-ups with contraception), the father could be anyone she's been with, and I'm sure that list is long.

I also wondered how Tara had the money for Tig's bail; she doesn't make much as a resident and she already put up her late father's house when Jax went in on those gun charges. (Are those still pending?)

I was glad to hear Lyla mention Donna. She hasn't been dead that long (more on this in a sec) and it does bug me how quickly he's moved on to loving someone else.

So it's apparently 2010 (Trinity was born in 1988 according to that picture and she said she was 22) but Abel was born in 2008 and is clearly not two (I'd say he's 8 months). Gemma has also aged 2 years (was 51 in season 1, told her dad she was 53 this season), so I guess everyone but Abel is older? Whatever. Trinity, stop flirting with your half-brother. I know they don't know, but bleargh. I was cringing at all their interactions just waiting for things to get gross(er). Someone needs to put a stop to that quickly.

I chuckled when the prospect was like "Man, fuck this, I'm out." And of COURSE the beef between Tig and Kozic was over a woman.

lottiedottie, I had the same timeline question.

Edited by Empress1, Oct 26, 2010 @ 10:43 PM.

[sekhet7]

SAMCRO went to Ireland and all I got was this lousy episode.

Agreed. That Belfast stuff just seemed to drag on through the whole episode. But then they have to stretch it out for three more, don't they? With the exception of anything Chibs related (I had to go awww a little when he re-united with his daughter), I found the stuff in Charming to be a hell of a lot more interesting. I still don't trust Fiona and I couldn't care less about the rest. I hope Kerrianne goes with Chibs to America though. It would make a great story arc for him to have him actually be a dad for season four and beyond. Also, his nephew is cute.

That stuff with Tig and Kozik was borderline sexy and the best part of the episode. Also, Kenny Johnson has great arms. Of course it's about a woman...but maybe not in the way we think it is. Never thought I'd say that I was a little proud of Darby but I kind of was. Lyla is truly with SAMCRO now-she has something to hide from someone else. You can't be a part of SAMCRO unless you do. At least I can admire her for being honest about not being ready for another kid. Let's just hope for her sake Opie is as understanding (if it is his). He may understand why she did it but not why she kept it from him. Does no one use birth control in that clubhouse? Let's see if Tara can actually go through with getting another abortion. I am one of those who hopes she doesn't have the kid. As for the prospect, if they can't find him they can't do anything. It's a process of thinning the herd, after all. Maybe they won't care (let's hope so for his sake). I also like that Unser is starting to get tired of SAMCRO's bs. I would at this point too.

PS-Jax and Trinity....yeah, let's not get anywhere near there. If Gemma can see trace of John in her, why can't Jax tell that's his own half sister? Did he leave his brains in Charming too?

Edited by sekhet7, Oct 26, 2010 @ 11:01 PM.

[Empress1]

Let's see if Tara can actually go through with getting another abortion.

I think if she doesn't, it'll be because Salazar does something to her and she loses the baby before she has time to have the abortion. But I don't think this baby will be born.

[Leroyiscrazy]

I also wondered how Tara had the money for Tig's bail; she doesn't make much as a resident and she already put up her late father's house when Jax went in on those gun charges. (Are those still pending?)

Tara never put her house up for Jax's bail. It was Oswald that got them all out.

[lottiedottie]

So it's apparently 2010 (Trinity was born in 1988 according to that picture and she said she was 22) but Abel was born in 2008 and is clearly not two (I'd say he's 8 months). Gemma has also aged 2 years (was 51 in season 1, told her dad she was 53 this season), so I guess everyone but Abel is older? Whatever.

Seriously! WTFF? (and, after all these ridiculous episodes and super hero capers I'm going to be pissed about the age thing. Priorities, I tell you!) I'm with you on the creep factor of Jax and his half sister. Let's just hope that Gemma or Maureen pipe up before they bang. That could be awkward!

Questioning whether it's Opies baby or not is legitimate. I didn't even think about that part of it. Maybe she's an Earth Mother type and is very in tune with her cycles and knows Opie was the only one during that special fertile time? LOL

[Nerva]

Jacob Hale is an idiot for sending a man with a swastika to convince a Holocaust survivor to sell. After the things Lumpy must have endured, I can't imagine a wanna be like Darby could intimidate him, and Darby knew it too. Lumpy for Mayor! I hope that prospect at least called 911 for him.

That episode dragged. The slightest hint of Jax/Trinity sparks is so gross and soap opera I could barely watch. Next week John Teller returns from the dead as woman!

[IdesOfSmarch]

Aside from the Chibs/Fiona/Kerrianne reunion, the scenes at Teller-Morrow, and Tara/Lyla's abortion playdate, this episode was a waste for me.

I just don't care about anyone in Ireland (except Fiona/Kerrianne).
They didn't make any progress on finding Abel yet again (who's about to be adopted?!)
The Jax and Trinity scenes skeeved me out because she looks like she wants to bang him. Sutter better not go there with them.
And what a dumb fucking prospect, so incompetent and useless.
Lyla being knocked up = so predictable.
Also, I can't stand Jacob Hale. I can't even appreciate him in a love to hate way like Zobelle.
Salazar needs to die already too. I'm at least hoping the Samcro left in Charming will give Alvarez/Mayans the benefit of the doubt about the gym. Poor Lumpy, hope he's not dead. :(

There are way too many convoluted and predictable plotlines this season and it's feeling way too soap-operaish.

Edited by IdesOfSmarch, Oct 26, 2010 @ 10:55 PM.

[Art123Guy]

I know we're supposed to be sad about Abel's kidnapping, but it feels like they're just throwing up the worst shit they can to stretch out the reunion. I'm losing interest in that storyline.

You lasted longer than me. I groaned when it started at the end of last season and was bored with it after the first episode this season. This show is soooo much better when it focuses on problems that affect the club. The rape, Jax/Clay differences and Zobelle last season affected the whole club. The kidnapping seems directed at Jax and Gemma.

Ugh, I hate that they introduced a possible Trinity/Jax hookup. Maureen or Gemma needs to come clean already.

When Gemma was talking to Bobby at the end, I was expecting her to ask when Jax was. He'd reply 'Getting it on with Trinity'. To which Gemma would storm the bedroom screaming 'Stop! She's your half sister!'

And the Lila pregnancy? Ugh, come on! Who's gonna get knocked up next?

Maybe the original plan was to have a spinoff. The Babies of the Sons of Anarchy. Or maybe The Baby Mommas of the Sons of Anarchy.

I'll keep watching, but this is such a step below season 2 that it's almost sad.

Edited by Art123Guy, Oct 26, 2010 @ 10:57 PM.

[elvisgrace]

Ok, let me see if I've got this straight...Clay calls McGee, tells him he's concerned that Jimmy has been lying to Clay, and O'Neill has been backing those lies, ergo, O'Neill is lying to Clay. McGee then vouches for O'Neill's honesty and lack of involvement with Jimmy, which Clay accepts, b/c you can trust a brother. Clay accepts him at his word. Clay then informs McGee of their itinerary, emphasizing that it is very very hush hush, and it is critical Jimmy not know that they are coming.
So of course there is immediately a highly suspicious checkpoint, with anvillicous references to Interpol to let us know that there was no way in hell that the police could have known that the guys had skipped town, unless the police had been tipped off, (dun dun DUN!!!) which they have been!
And McGee and O'Neill are there during this whole frooferaw, AND THEN!!! It is never mentioned again! No, "McGee, you were the only person over here who knew when and how were were getting here, so the only way Jimmy could have gotten that info was if it came either directly through you, or if you told O'Neill to give him a heads up, or if you were just a fucking moron with your loose lips sinking ships!" I mean, damn, Clay hasn't always been the most strategic thinker, but he's been doing better. And you would think Gemma would have been all over that.

Also, I was convinced Jimmy was gonna kill the cop for fucking it up, and then giving his name up to the MC.

And after Gemma told Clay the only thing she wanted to watch was his big dick, I yelled out "Before you do that, you need to go let Jax and Trinity know what's going on before you're first husband's secret baby ends up watching her half-brother's dick."

I was very surprised Jax had the patience to sit there and here Ashby out. I was just waiting for him to go all psycho killer qu'est que c'est on his ass. Telling Jax that we was keeping Abel safe and protected was the carrot. I think next week we're going to see the stick: If SAMCRO doesn't kill Jimmy, the family Abel goes home with will be the one we saw tonight.

ETA: I forgot about Prospect Chickenshit! That polo shirt he's wearing at Lumpy's - WORST BIKER PROSPECT SHIRT EVER. How the hell did he even get considered to begin with?

Edited by elvisgrace, Oct 26, 2010 @ 11:10 PM.

[ttfr1]

The ep was too long and drawn out. But, it was nice to see the gang semi-happy for a split second.

Don't like Lyla getting the abortion without at least telling Op. Imo, the father has rights, too. I'm kinda uncomfortable with possibly two abortion storys...Lyla and Tara. Personally, I'm against abortion....but, I'm totally for birth control. Does no one associated with SoA use it?

Anyway...not trying to start a debate on abortion....I just wish they'd quit bringing it up so much. They could have avoided the whole thing and just not have Tara preggers in the first place. Now she and Lyla will be all BFF bonding over their abortion experience. ugh.

I do think Op will find out...and, I do think he will be pissed.

Loved all the Chibs moments. Heart warming :) But, remind me again...what's supposed to be so darn scary about Fiona. Didn't Gemma say she was one of the scariest women she knew....or some such? Fiona seems kinda wimpy to me.

If this show has Jax messin' with his lil' sister...I'll barf. Please....show, DO NOT go there.

And, what was up near the end with Able....are the nuns fixin' to adopt him out to another family? Geeze...will that be season 4's arc....hunting down Able's new and clueless adoptive parents? At this point in time, I think Able might actually fare better with brand new parents.

Oh, and Opie was HOT....Jax looked pretty yums, too. LOL

It was an okay ep....nothing special, though.

Edited by ttfr1, Oct 26, 2010 @ 11:15 PM.

[CtLady]

. Next week John Teller returns from the dead as woman!

Or....appears in the shower. Or....Gemma wakes up next to clay and realizes S3 has been a bad dream

After 90 minutes I got:

-SAMBEL betraying
-Jax fighting
- Clay is one heck of a poker player
-Tara and Lyla BFFing
-Darby finding a conscience
-Jax and Trinny doing their best Luke and Leia impression
-One doofus prospect down, two to go
-Bobby is one mean tea maker
-Happy's "oh yes I will" gave me the shivers.... in a good way!

Ep was all kinds of suckification, save for Father Kellens speech at the end. Even Tig and Kozik's marital spat bored me

Be prepared for massive whinage from KS when critics tear this ep to shreds

Oh....I don't think the baby's Op's either

[lottiedottie]

Or....appears in the shower. Or....Gemma wakes up next to clay and realizes S3 has been a bad dream

Funny you mention that, as that was EXACTLY what my husband said--both things! LOL

You know that KS is going to post a big, wordy, wounded artist blog post. At the very least I hope he explains the whole age discrepancy/Benjamin Buttoning of Abel.

So how old is Maureen supposed to be? 40, then? I didn't quite catch what she said to Gemma about how old she was when she had Trinity.

But, remind me again...what's supposed to be so darn scary about Fiona. Didn't Gemma say she was one of the scariest women she knew....or some such?

I wondered that exact thing. I wish we knew more about why Gemma was so scared of her. Maybe we'll find out in season 7? *rolls eyes* I have to say, I didn't find myself caring much about Chibs and his family reunion.

[peridot16]

I don't get what Salazar is doing. He has to know everything he's doing will lead to his death, maybe his old lady's too. I can't wait to see Tig beat the shit out of him.

Also, does Kerrianne know her father at all? It seemed like she has never met him before.

[IdesOfSmarch]

So how old is Maureen supposed to be? 40, then? I didn't quite catch what she said to Gemma about how old she was when she had Trinity.

I think she said she was 15 or 16...I'm not sure with that accent.

[LazyBum1115]

So how old is Maureen supposed to be? 40, then? I didn't quite catch what she said to Gemma about how old she was when she had Trinity.

I think she said she was 15 or 16...I'm not sure with that accent.

I thought she said she was 18 when Trinity was born, so that would make Maureen about 40 (or 38 depending on the messed up aging/timeline). Although I only understand about 10% of what any of the Irish are saying, so I could be wrong.

Edited by LazyBum1115, Oct 26, 2010 @ 11:30 PM.

[Magiidog]

De-lurking to join in the collective wail about this episode. I've been a very loyal and and enthusiastic SOA fan since it started and I'm just about at the end of my rope...how much more uncreative, unsubtle, and pedantic can it get? I can feel myself un-investing by the second.

I'm just so disappointed. I agree with all earlier posters: the silly storylines, the fishy timetables, the unbelievable character arcs, the general soap opera-ness of it all. The disparate elements are SO distanced by now that it barely holds together as a coherent universe.

This is the 2nd episode without an appearance by Stahl, despite the big! reveal! regarding Jax and Stahl cooperating. And silence on the Gemma escape? Instead we get more Irish mumblings, outlandish events (that opening? you jest) and incompatibly sluggish plot developments. Wasn't the whole point of the Ireland trip to GO GET ABEL? Wasn't that Jax, screaming with pain and then drowning in the shower with grief when Abel was first taken? And now, what, he's happy to grab a beer, creep on his half-sister and measure dicks with his Irish counterparts? And, I'm sorry, while I'm as big a fan of Gemma as anyone, she's getting way too much screen time this season--this must be Kurt showing his husbandly hand. Get back to the club, get back to Charming, and show me something, SOA. Or at least don't leave so many hanging chads for viewers to navigate...you're not David Simon, Sutter, you can't pull that off.

Why did they even bother making this episode 90 minutes long?

I can't tell if the writers this season are over-indulged or off their ADD meds. I had (and still secretly have) high, high hopes for this show, but I'm worried we have have seen it peak. SOA could have been another Breaking Bad, but unfortunately Sutter seems incapable of showing any of the intellectual depth, structural creativity or, hell, even visual acuity that Vince Gilligan consistently delivers. It's a damn shame, because the first two seasons were tight, sexy and dynamic on every level. Don't give me that Sutterink BS about "diving into the mythology of the club," either, because that's clearly as underdeveloped as the rest of it. What happened with this season???

/lament.

[sekhet7]

But, remind me again...what's supposed to be so darn scary about Fiona. Didn't Gemma say she was one of the scariest women she knew....or some such?

I wondered that exact thing. I wish we knew more about why Gemma was so scared of her. Maybe we'll find out in season 7? *rolls eyes*

Or the next three episodes. It seems the way they keep dropping anvils about harm coming Fiona or Kerrianne's way, something has to give. If they don't tell us why Gemma is worried/suspicious/scared of Fiona by the time they get back to Charming, I'll be a little disappointed. Something has to happen to one of them (preferably Fiona) to make Chibs go after Jimmy's head because that's another storyline I want satisfied as well. It could be Fiona is still working for Jimmy and is just playing everyone. Goodness knows that would make some sense...except for that van attack unless it was planned and she knew no one would get hurt. I also secretly want Kerrianne to get to know her dad better in America with the irony that he has to be one who take care of her now since her mother is gone or dead. Just wishful thinking on my part.

Also, does Kerrianne know her father at all? It seemed like she has never met him before.

She may not remember much or anything of him at all. She was quite young when he was forced to leave Ireland.

Any way it's put, this Belfast stuff needs to end and quickly. It's dragging the show down.

Edited by sekhet7, Oct 26, 2010 @ 11:31 PM.

[Raachel2008]

From Sekhet7 six episodes ago:

Father Ashby is the kind of priest that Machiavelli warned you about when the latter stated that the corrupt use religion to make themselves look honest. He's going to be one to watch out for.

So. True. The man is evil and completely Machiavellian in the physcologycal sense of the word.

Too, too much Gemma. It's hard to believe that she sees the way Trinity looks at Jax and Jax looks at Trinity, how she wraps his hands - thast was she was doing, right? - and it doesn't cross her mind that these two kids might have very wrong ideas that are not their fault.

Aww, Chibs. Awww. I would love to see his family coming to Charming.

I don't see why Lyla would have to lie about who was the baby's father, since Tara knows what Lyla does for a living. It was a great insight into her character that she doesn't want to have a baby with Opie now because she knows Donna's still there and Opie doesn't completely let her in. This is character development for a secondary character at its best and the one I would like to see for Happy, Unser, Tig, well everybody else in the club.

And did I hear it right, Lyla was scheduled as Sarah Palin? Hehe.

I agree that Tara will loose the baby before she gets the abortion.

The Abel plot is a royal mess, but the idea that this baby will never be rescued and come back to this family freaks me out.

SAMCRO is ambushed twice in the same day and Clay still sits with his back to the window?

Best part of the episode - Tig and Lem. Sorry, he'll always be Lem. Those two are made of win.

[sekhet7]

Best part of the episode - Tig and Lem. Sorry, he'll always be Lem. Those two are made of win.

He'll always be Lem to me as well. Also agree about them being the best part of the episode. They should go on the road together, create a show and sell tickets.

And thanks for the shout out with my quote from earlier, Raachel.

[Allie J]

Jax and Trinity? Please, no, I beg of you. I thought this was based on Shakespeare, not Sophocles.

Loved the scene with Bobby and Gemma over the tea. It's such a shame he's so underused. More Bobby, please!

Was anyone else feeling cheated that we didn't actually get to see Tig and Kozik slug it out?

One doofus prospect down, two to go

These guys are an insult to Half Sack's memory.

So how old is Maureen supposed to be? 40, then? I didn't quite catch what she said to Gemma about how old she was when she had Trinity.

Yes, she's 40. She said she was 18 when she had Trinity, which made her a boatload of years younger than JT at the time. What a cradle robber.

He'll always be Lem to me as well. Also agree about them being the best part of the episode. They should go on the road together, create a show and sell tickets.

Hell, I'd buy one.

[TeamSpungo]

Wasn't the whole point of the Ireland trip to GO GET ABEL? Wasn't that Jax, screaming with pain and then drowning in the shower with grief when Abel was first taken? And now, what, he's happy to grab a beer, creep on his half-sister and measure dicks with his Irish counterparts?

So much word. When I say "I don't know where Jax is coming from" I don't mean I no longer empathize with him, I mean I can't even tell what he's supposed to be about. I no longer feel like I have a basic comprehension of the character, never mind the empathy/connection I felt to Jax in Seasons 1 and 2. So, he has been in horrible pain and feeling guilt and misplaced rage? That I get. Accordingly, he did something calculated and nasty to push the love of his life away? That I get. But his behavior in Ireland is just...what??? I can't tell if he's still being self-destructive or he just forgot how tortured he supposedly was about everything.

[Sharon]

I'll say it: how'd Lyla know the baby was Opie's? I'm not judging her sex work but she has sex for a living; if she was using birth control and it failed (as mentioned in last episode's thread, condoms often aren't used in straight porn - and Lyla's "been here before" so she's clearly had a few slip-ups with contraception), the father could be anyone she's been with, and I'm sure that list is long.

I don't want to get too graphic, but it's been mentioned more than once that Lila's "specialty" within the industry is an act that definitely wouldn't result in pregnancy (plus she hasn't worked at all since Caracara burned down except for the Asian gangster party that was busted up fairly early). Unless she cheated on Opie w. someone else, he's the only daddy candidate.

[sekhet7]

Was anyone else feeling cheated that we didn't actually get to see Tig and Kozik slug it out?

Me. I would rather have seen that a lot more than most of the Belfast stuff.

Hell, I'd buy one.

I'll join you in line.

[Mia Nina]

Darn. Is everyone pregnant?

A whole lot of pageantry and no meat. I agree with everyone about the 'rescue Abel' mission; there was no urgency to get down to business, aka, find Abel (the human McGuffin).

Gemma told Tara that secret babies are a bad idea; she should remember her words even though Jax and Trinity are not babies anymore. Watching those two making eyes at each other was downright creepy. Unless Jax really is Clay's, Gemma must speak up.

Good for Chibs that he got to see his "girls." The rest was useless and boring. At least Juice got a few lines.

When Gemma was talking to Bobby at the end, I was expecting her to ask when Jax was. He'd reply 'Getting it on with Trinity'. To which Gemma would storm the bedroom screaming 'Stop! She's your half sister!'

Haha. I had the exact same impression. Nothing of the sort would surprise me. I'm waiting for Jax's evil twin to show up.

Also, does Kerrianne know her father at all? It seemed like she has never met him before.

I wondered the same thing.

One thing I did like: the Irishing up of the opening credits music. That was cool.

Agreed. That was really cute. It reminded me of Fringe's red opening credits for their alternate universe.

Edited by Mia Nina, Oct 27, 2010 @ 1:03 AM.

[Allie J]

One thing I did like: the Irishing up of the opening credits music. That was cool.

[BakerX2]

Semi-decent episode. At least we have FINALLY come to the point where everything is coming together. The priest wants Jimmy dead because he wants to put money ahead of the IRA's cause. The priest also has managed to get his hands on Jax's baby and is now laid down a not so subtle ultimatum that Jax must murder Jimmy if he wants to see his child again.

The stuff with Kozik/Tig also got semi-explained, with the root of their rivalry being over a woman. Which is kind of a letdown, but one that allows for Tig to still be sympathetic. That said, for those of us who find Kenny Johnson attractive, I have to wonder if Sutter's purposely going to have him look more and more battered up and bloody/bruised as far as each time he and Tig fight, Tig beats him up and renders Kozik's face bloody and bruised as a running joke.

As for Fionna, either they'll ignore Gemma's previous description of her or just handwave it as being "Fionna scares Gemma because she can't be bullied or intimidated by Gemma".

Edited by BakerX2, Oct 27, 2010 @ 1:17 AM.