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[Morrigan8472]

This is the thread to talk about those two wacky kids who keep trying to kill each other.

I will say that Bonnie is the only person besides Katherine I could actually accept Damon getting romantically involved wit, as she calls him on his crap, something Elena hasn't done since Vicki.

[RetconB]

There's definitively sexual tension between them, I believe they are the only two characters on this show that could make staring look sexy.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 24, 2010 @ 4:36 PM.

[beetlesoda]

You know I'm not there with them just yet...but with each episode that passes and they share a scene with each other I raise an eyebrow. I don't think they'll ever be involved romantically, but they can have one of those "you two really wanna kiss but you have too much pride to do so" relationships. If anything I kinda want to see them be close together, like how Bonnie is with Stefan, if there was a girl best friend that I would want Damon to have it'll be Bonnie just cause it'll be really interesting.

And I like that she kinda had power over him, girl could've killed him had Elena not stopped her that's power to me.

[graceblue23]

Oh, I loved the snark between them so very much in Plan B. Not so sure about a romantic relationship, but I'm completely down with frenemies.

[RetconB]

You know I'm not there with them just yet...but with each episode that passes and they share a scene with each other I raise an eyebrow. I don't think they'll ever be involved romantically, but they can have one of those "you two really wanna kiss but you have too much pride to do so" relationships. If anything I kinda want to see them be close together, like how Bonnie is with Stefan, if there was a girl best friend that I would want Damon to have it'll be Bonnie just cause it'll be really interesting.

Friendship is the only thing I can't picture for Bonnie and Damon, their interactions are too passionate for it in my opinion.

Sometimes I think the only reason Damon han't pursue her - despite the obvious sexual tension - is because Bonnie's interactions with Stefan are so bland, Katherine damaged Damon in such way he only goes after Stefan's girlfriends in order to get even so I doubt he would go beyond eye contact with Bonnie no matter how much he wants it.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 24, 2010 @ 7:33 PM.

[Lunathick]

Their scenes are always fun to watch. Love the snark, appreciate the back and forth banter and surprised by their chemistry.
I'm not really shipping them yet, but I'd like to see them work more together like in Plan B in the future.

And maybe I wasn't paying attention, but did Damon ever mention the fact that Bonnie almost burned him alive? It seems like he doesn't even care. I find that bizarre, because you would think that he would be pissed about that or do something to put her in her place.

Edited by Lunathick, Oct 25, 2010 @ 1:58 AM.

[quazimodo]

And maybe I wasn't paying attention, but did Damon ever mention the fact that Bonnie almost burned him alive? It seems like he doesn't even care. I find that bizarre, because you would think that he would be pissed about that or do something to put her in her place.

Well he did almost rip her throat out last season so I guess he figures they are even.

[White Lies]

Well he did almost rip her throat out last season so I guess he figures they are even.

The problem is that Bonnie doesn't think they're even. She thinks it's completely okay to give him an aneurysm whenever she wants. I'd like to see her remember that she isn't invincible. Damon could still hurt her pretty badly before she could get in one of her mind tricks. I understand her being so "judgy" about him, but I'd like to see the writers acknowledge that vampires will only be screwed with so many times until they fight back, because I don't buy that Damon will let her mind screw him and set him on fire many more times without doing anything back.

I'm just not a big fan of their dynamic right now, I don't find it too believable. I get it, he is a really bad guy and does some really bad things, but her reactions to him aren't helping. I'm sure his sarcasm isn't really helping either, though, but I think that's something eternally stuck in his personality.

Edited by White Lies, Oct 25, 2010 @ 10:12 AM.

[RetconB]

And maybe I wasn't paying attention, but did Damon ever mention the fact that Bonnie almost burned him alive? ...

No, he did mention the "joojoo thing you do to me" but he meant when his head went into flames, not his body.

*ETA:

Sometimes I think the only reason Damon han't pursue her - despite the obvious sexual tension - is because Bonnie's interactions with Stefan are so bland, Katherine damaged Damon in such way he only goes after Stefan's girlfriends in order to get even so I doubt he would go beyond eye contact with Bonnie no matter how much he wants it.

The problem is that Bonnie doesn't think they're even. She thinks it's completely okay to give him an aneurysm whenever she wants. I'd like to see her remember that she isn't invincible. Damon could still hurt her pretty badly before she could get in one of her mind tricks. I understand her being so "judgy" about him, but I'd like to see the writers acknowledge that vampires will only be screwed with so many times until they fight back, because I don't buy that Damon will let her mind screw him and set him on fire many more times without doing anything back.

Actually, that's one of the reasons why I think Bonnie is special for Damon: any other person does that much to him and Damon would have broke his neck just like be broke Jeremy's. He has ripped the heart out of people for less and we know Mason Lockwood didn't live to tell the tale, however, with Bonnie there's all this intensity and all that tension and yet Damon seems to like it. He just beams with all those moments where she displays her powers even if those powers are displayed against him, which makes me understand exactly why Damon was attracted to Katherine in the first place.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 25, 2010 @ 11:05 AM.

[beetlesoda]

I believe too that if Damon wanted to do something about it he would, I mean the guy's been a vampire for how long I'm sure he knows how to kill/hurt a 17 year old teenage girls who just learned she's a witch. I also think it has to do with the fact that maybe Damon can't do much about it, didn't he say he has to protect Bonnie in season 1.

And I diagree Bonnie gives him anurisims whenever she wants, she only did like twice this season and both times she had her own reason. whether they were good reasons is for the viewers to give their opinion, but she still had her reasons.

[graceblue23]

I don't believe Damon feels obligated to protect the Bennetts because of his pact with Emily, which Emily herself broke. However, I think Elena's friendship with Bonnie, plus Bonnie's usefulness and ability to bring him pain, has kept him from retaliating. But, I agree, I think there's only so much crap I want to see Damon passively take from Bonnie, because if he can go up against Katherine who is much more of a threat to him, than he can take out the teenage witch.

I don't think Bonnie knows that Damon has watched out for her family, and in essence saved her ancestral line back in 1864. I would like her to learn that information, and am curious how she might respond to that in terms of the Damon/Bonnie relationship dynamic.

[swtrgrl]

I'm not on this "ship" but I would like a more stress free friendship. There is a ton of potential there since, while not on even terms, they aren't just human-vamp peeps. I like the banter ... but I'd like Bonnie to at least come half way down her high horse.

[White Lies]

Actually, that's one of the reasons why I think Bonnie is special for Damon: any other person does that much to him and Damon would have broke his neck just like be broke Jeremy's.

I think the only reason he hasn't done anything to her so far isn't because he think she's special, but because Elena and Stefan would be none too happy about it. He genuinely cares about what they think, and when he's not in breakdown mode, he generally tries to not do things to make them really mad.

[smices]

I'd like Bonnie to at least come half way down her high horse.

See, I want her to stay up there. As it is now, there's no one standing up to Damon. If he decides he wants to kill someone (Zach, Lexi, Bree, Alaric, Jeremy, Mason) he kills them. If they have a special ring, they come back to life, otherwise tough luck. And no one can say boo, because he's big, bad Damon. The only person with the ability to stand up and provide any sort of protection to the townspeople is Bonnie. That's one reason I was disappointed to see her aid and abet him in Mason's murder this past week. There's too much enabling of Damon already. Practically everyone on the show lies down and lets him do whatever he wants, and just looks the other way. I need a Buffy-type--someone who's willing to say "you kill, you die." For now, Bonnie is that character. And frankly, I think he respects her for not being a wuss/lackey like all the other characters.

Edited by smices, Oct 26, 2010 @ 4:47 PM.

[Eden Winchester]

Long time lurker...first time poster. I decided to come out of my lurkdom after seeing this thread. Damon/Bonnie is like my OTP right now, so I'm really glad they now have their own thread. :)

[Brandy77]

I think the only reason he hasn't done anything to her so far isn't because he think she's special, but because Elena and Stefan would be none too happy about it. He genuinely cares about what they think, and when he's not in breakdown mode, he generally tries to not do things to make them really mad.

If Damon really cared what Elena & Stefan thought then he wouldn't have snapped Jeremy's neck, breakdown mode or not. So I don't think their opinions have much to do with him not seeking revenge on Bonnie for setting his ass on fire. Katerina mentioned during an interview at Comic Con that perhaps Damon is still beholden to the pact he made with Emily, but I thought the deal was null & void once Emily destroyed the crystal; hopefully, the writers will fill the audience in on why Damon's been so lenient towards Bonnie.

I like that Bonnie doesn't whitewash Damon's transgressions or cower in his presence--I think it would be a shame if she became an enabler & simply pacified him.

The antagonistic vibe they have currently works, but I look forward to seeing if Damon seriously tries to get into Bonnie's good graces & earn her respect.

[AuntieLizard]

I look forward to seeing if Damon seriously tries to get into Bonnie's good graces & earn her respect.

I'm guessing one is going to save the other's life at least once if not multiple times this season, so I can see a begrudging alliance forming, if not an uneasy friendship.

I like where they're at right now. While I think, if done well, a romance between the two would be fun, it'd be terrible terrible terrible if done wrong.

[RetconB]

Actually, that's one of the reasons why I think Bonnie is special for Damon: any other person does that much to him and Damon would have broke his neck just like be broke Jeremy's. He has ripped the heart out of people for less and we know Mason Lockwood didn't live to tell the tale, however, with Bonnie there's all this intensity and all that tension and yet Damon seems to like it. He just beams with all those moments where she displays her powers even if those powers are displayed against him, which makes me understand exactly why Damon was attracted to Katherine in the first place.

I think the only reason he hasn't done anything to her so far isn't because he think she's special, but because Elena and Stefan would be none too happy about it. He genuinely cares about what they think, and when he's not in breakdown mode, he generally tries to not do things to make them really mad.

Damon didn't care about them in order to "play nice" when Stefan asked him to and he sure didn't care about Elena when he attacked "Emily" inside Bonnie's body so they are not what's stopping him.

I also doubt it's the pact with Emily, not only because he tried to kill her all over again but because Katherine herself was never inside that tomb to begin with, so he was played for fool by both Katherine Pierce and her handmaiden and if there's one thing Damon Salvatore hates is being played for a fool yet he hasn't attempted to hurt Bonnie since Emily possessed her, almost as if he would want Bonnie around for his own personal reasons.

*ETA:

Sometimes I think the only reason Damon han't pursue her - despite the obvious sexual tension - is because Bonnie's interactions with Stefan are so bland, Katherine damaged Damon in such way he only goes after Stefan's girlfriends in order to get even so I doubt he would go beyond eye contact with Bonnie no matter how much he wants it.

I like where they're at right now. While I think, if done well, a romance between the two would be fun, it'd be terrible terrible terrible if done wrong.

Sometimes I also believe that what Damon had with Katherine is exactly what a romance with Bonnie would be like if things go wrong, if done right this might end up being what Damon had been looking for all along ...if he doesn't miss out on it.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 25, 2010 @ 9:50 PM.

[nanillac]

beetlesoda - And I diagree Bonnie gives him anurisims whenever she wants, she only did like twice this season and both times she had her own reason.

That's true, but she did it twice in the two times she saw him... so, 100% of the time. This episode is the first time they've interacted when she hasn't done it...right?

I desperately want Bonnie to find out about Damon's pact with Emily. Not so she'll forgive him, but because it ties perfectly into her witchy, judge-y storyline whilst being a fresh angle to explore in her characterisation...

...and because I want her to forgive him. (damn... I'm shallow)

[RetconB]

That's true, but she did it twice in the two times she saw him... so, 100% of the time. This episode is the first time they've interacted when she hasn't done it...right?

Then again, by that logic Damon leans his head towards Bonnie when he opens the car door for her 100% of the time because of "History Repeating" and, while a lovely detail, that's not entirely true. Bonnie herself didn't try to give him an aneurysm when Caroline killed Carter (she set him on fire) and there must be several instances where Damon hasn't leaned his head towards Bonnie even if none of them involve a car door.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 26, 2010 @ 10:37 AM.

[nanillac]

Bonnie herself didn't try to give him an aneurysm when Caroline killed Carter (she set him on fire) and there must be several instances where Damon hasn't leaned his head towards Bonnie even if none of them involve a car door.

Didn't she incapacitate him with the aneurysm before dousing him with water and setting him on fire?

I think my original comment came across as too flippant, because I genuinely think it's worth noting that's she's mind-whammied him every time they've interacted this season. I don't think they have had any gentler unaired scenes (otherwise I don't think she and Elena would have needed the heart-to-heart they had this episode)... I think she's just been that angry at him.

I mean, I'm not necessarily saying she's wrong - he's a self-serving psychopath - but she's definitely been on a mission to show him who's boss.

The head-tilt, and I agree it's a lovely detail, isn't quite the same thing. I'm inclined to think it's more a pleasing bit of blocking on Somerhalder's part than an important character trait -- but I could be wrong.

Edited by nanillac, Oct 25, 2010 @ 11:38 PM.

[confuzzled21]

I, too, like the tension and snark between Damon and Bonnie. They definitely have something between them and I guess only time will tell what will become of it. Not sure yet about a romantic pairing but that's only because Bonnie really hasn't seen any redeemable qualities in Damon. I do wonder if knowing about how Damon protected the Bennett witches may make a difference but I guess a major life-saving action has to be done before she can get past his 'vampire' persona much like she did with Stefan.

[quazimodo]

I like Bonnie but aside from the entertainment value I don't really like Damon most of the time which makes it hard to ship them even though I do enjoy the sparkage. It would take a lot for me see him as a romantic prospect for anyone on the show really since I feel he needs to grow up a bit.

[MsTaken]

I think many tend to be way, way too forgiving of Damon, so in theory I love that there's a character who takes a much-needed stand of "yeah, you know, being a sociopathic killer IS kinda bad." Unfortunately, while I do theoretically understand and agree with where Bonnie's coming from, I find the character and actress painfully flat, unconvincing and just plain unpleasant to watch. On paper, I would love the dynamic between these two; in reality, it just doesn't work for me at all.

[RetconB]

Then again, by that logic Damon leans his head towards Bonnie when he opens the car door for her 100% of the time because of "History Repeating" and, while a lovely detail, that's not entirely true. Bonnie herself didn't try to give him an aneurysm when Caroline killed Carter (she set him on fire) and there must be several instances where Damon hasn't leaned his head towards Bonnie even if none of them involve a car door.

Didn't she incapacitate him with the aneurysm before dousing him with water and setting him on fire?

I think my original comment came across as too flippant, because I genuinely think it's worth noting that's she's mind-whammied him every time they've interacted this season. I don't think they have had any gentler unaired scenes (otherwise I don't think she and Elena would have needed the heart-to-heart they had this episode)... I think she's just been that angry at him.

I mean, I'm not necessarily saying she's wrong - he's a self-serving psychopath - but she's definitely been on a mission to show him who's boss.

The head-tilt, and I agree it's a lovely detail, isn't quite the same thing. I'm inclined to think it's more a pleasing bit of blocking on Somerhalder's part than an important character trait -- but I could be wrong.

I think it's a neat detail Damon only has with Bonnie because he has never done that with any other character (including Katherine). Damon often leans his whole body towards Bonnie when he wants to grab her attention and Bonnie tends to met his gaze and fit her body within this new restricted personal space he offers for her accordingly, but the head tilt is a detail that only comes up when Damon opens a door for her, just like the mind-whammy thing is a detail that only comes up whenever Bonnie shuts the front door on Damon.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 26, 2010 @ 10:38 AM.

[Xenite]

*Stop!* ... I think there is a thread to discuss the books up top. I could be wrong because I have been avoiding anything that is spoiler/book related because I don't want to have an inkling; I like speculation but that's it. If you're going to make reference to Bonnie/Damon via the books you should put them in the spoiler icon thing-y so that they're blacked out and those who don't mind a spoiler can read them.

Also, Retcon, while I like that Damon does things that are specific to Bonnie--head tilt, leaning toward her--I wonder if it isn't intimidating. When he first did the head tilt, it was because he scared the wholly heck out of her when he wanted the amulet. Then he opened her car door and she was afraid to move. He motioned for her to get into her car because he was "giving her permission" to move. The second time he motions for her to get in is to participate in torture. It's like he has to tell her that she will be safe; he won't hurt her because this time it's Mason. Granted this time she's stronger and less intimidated, but still I think psychologically speaking, he's abusive and simply letting her know she's safe for now.

Even when he leans in to her I see it more as an act of intimidation. I commend her because she doesn't get intimidated anymore, but I still see Damon as wanting to intimidate her.

[White Lies]

Even when he leans in to her I see it more as an act of intimidation. I commend her because she doesn't get intimidated anymore, but I still see Damon as wanting to intimidate her.

I think a lot of the movements Damon makes are purposely intimidating. He likes to appear stronger than people. He wants those around him to feel that he could take them down in an instant if he decided he wanted to. He knows that Bonnie has the power to witchy juju his mind, so I think he likes to seriously invade her space so he can hover over her, forcing her to have to look up at him, just so he can feel intimidating. Because, as a short person, when I have to stare up at someone, it gives me an incredible reality check as to just how tiny I am, and that's not always a comfortable feeling. I don't think Damon likes people to feel comfortable around him.

[RetconB]

I think it's a neat detail Damon only has with Bonnie because he has never done that with any other character (including Katherine). Damon often leans his whole body towards Bonnie when he wants to grab her attention and Bonnie tends to met his gaze and fit her body within this new restricted personal space he offers for her accordingly, but the head tilt is a detail that only comes up when Damon opens a door for her, just like the mind-whammy thing is a detail that only comes up whenever Bonnie shuts the front door on Damon.

Also, Retcon, while I like that Damon does things that are specific to Bonnie--head tilt, leaning toward her--I wonder if it isn't intimidating. When he first did the head tilt, it was because he scared the wholly heck out of her when he wanted the amulet. Then he opened her car door and she was afraid to move. He motioned for her to get into her car because he was "giving her permission" to move. The second time he motions for her to get in is to participate in torture. It's like he has to tell her that she will be safe; he won't hurt her because this time it's Mason. Granted this time she's stronger and less intimidated, but still I think psychologically speaking, he's abusive and simply letting her know she's safe for now.

Even when he leans in to her I see it more as an act of intimidation. I commend her because she doesn't get intimidated anymore, but I still see Damon as wanting to intimidate her.

I think of it as a defense mechanism on Damon's part, because he does feel too comfortable around Bonnie for his own taste: he's drawn to her as if to a magnet, her spells have the effect of a lullaby, she awakens that part of himself that used to be a gentleman and he can't bring himself to harm her no matter what she does to him. Damon has to intimidate her not to feel ...like he did with Katherine. He motions for Bonnie to realize he's still in control, which doesn't make sense unless he isn't. He's more afraid of it than he's afraid of her but the fear does exist, it's there growing, independent from Stefan, Elena or Katherine, independent from Damon himself: Damon has to intimidate Bonnie because he feels intimidated by her.

Edited by RetconB, Oct 28, 2010 @ 10:34 AM.

[Lunathick]

*Stop!* ... I think there is a thread to discuss the books up top. I could be wrong because I have been avoiding anything that is spoiler/book related because I don't want to have an inkling; I like speculation but that's it. If you're going to make reference to Bonnie/Damon via the books you should put them in the spoiler icon thing-y so that they're blacked out and those who don't mind a spoiler can read them.

Oops. I'm sorry. Discussing about the books didn't even occur to me that it was a spoiler. It's funny though, because of your post I'm now not that interested in finding out what happens in the books either. Heh.


After Plan B, I wonder how they'll now interact. Did Bonnie figure that Damon would kill Mason when she left? Will she care or just let it go. I assume she knew that Damon wouldn't just torture him and let him go afterwards when she basically ended Mason over to him.

[White Lies]

Bonnie knew exactly what Damon's plans were for Mason when she helped Damon and Stefan capture him. There was no way she didn't know that Damon was going to kill him.