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#211

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Posted Jan 2, 2012 @ 8:25 AM

Less Pete. I still hate the little bastard.


I'd say more Pete for exactly the same reason. Yes, he's a horrible person but he's a wonderfully entertaining character to watch.

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Posted Jan 2, 2012 @ 9:53 AM

I'd say more Pete, because I love him and constantly root for him.

I'm sure there is a support group or a 12 step program somewhere for me.

But seriously, I think it's possibly because he wanted validation (and real love) so much that I wanted him to have it. And he was so clumsy and naive in the real world vice the world he grew up in. He was the man-child to Betty's woman-child in my opinion. I think S4 really made things different for him and he grew up a lot. Betty is still in her mean-girl high school phase w/ Sally as the object of her derision. Now I'd like to see the agency actually follow some of his innovative ideas in terms of clients/marketing/etc... I want SCDP to be soaring these days and less living month to month.

I fully don't expect to get this BTW. Pete will do something stupid or mean but I'll still want him on my screen.


Other items:
- I'll echo yes for the Band-Stand moment for Sally/Bobby.
- I want Betty's story to be something I can empathize with. I really struggle with her.
- Yes for later '60's dresses for the women. NO, a thousand times NO, for the main male characters picking up the late 60's fashion. Let minor male characters wear some of that but not Don/Pete/Roger. These men should always be dressed in sharp suits. Janie, you may change the tie and collar width -- that is all.
- Joan raising her baby and still working. It was done and it was harrowing. But women found a way. Joan is a woman of steel with soft curves on the outside. I'd like to see her handing this in the no-nonsense way she would do but I'd also like to see the private moments where we see the toll it's taking. To me she represents a lot of heroic women who had to pull this off.
- 1968. Maybe it's too much of a time jump but it was such a landmark year. MLK and Robert Kennedy's assassination. The Civil Rights Act. I want to see the ad agency deftly swim through those waters and help shape American opinion by the way they portray people in the ads. Perhaps too ideal but I want to see some direction for that. And I want a big fight between old guard and new guard about it.

Edited by SueB, Jan 2, 2012 @ 10:05 AM.


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Posted Jan 14, 2012 @ 8:43 AM

Pete grew on me last season. PLus he is an integral part of the show. Peggy and Pete are the "future" of the firm. Don is the present, Roger is more of the past. However Don I think will always be "in the present." That is part of his character. He knows how to reinvent himself to fit the situation, to change and adapt. ANd I don't mean just by changing his name from Dick to Don. We have seen him do it many times. If the situation changes, he changes and adjusts.

We know he has changed from :

1. Dick to a form of Don Draper pre-Sterling Cooper.
2. The episode last season where we saw him meet Roger shows he changed from pre-Sterling Cooper Don Draper to post Sterling Cooper Don Draper
3. Sterling Cooper was going to be bought, so he decided to change the whole company
4. They lose Lucky Strike, 70% or so of their business, so he decides to change the company from pro-smoking to anti-smoking


ANyway, the end of the season plot with the loss of Lucky Strike points to the firm turning more and more to Pete for accounts in the next season. Like him or not, and I think he has his good and bad points, he will be involved more and more in the firm and the show.

I want to see Sally grow up, but I fear how she is going to turn out with that icy mother.

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Posted Jan 23, 2012 @ 7:24 PM

I want at least one shot of Sally and Bobby dancing in front of the TV to Paul Revere and the Raiders in the show "Where the Action Is."

Like I did. :-)


And me! Plus, the Monkees debuted on TV in '66 ... lots and lots of Yardley commercials -- London was it!

For S5, I want to see more advertising, much more. And if anyone does anything to change a hair on Don's head, or mess with his look in any way (it's like '60s porn to us, no?), there'll be hell to pay :)

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Posted Feb 16, 2012 @ 10:11 AM

Maybe we can discern some of the showrunner's wish list from this old interview from between the first 2 seasons.

http://www.nytimes.c...?pagewanted=all

George Lois is a legend, and the process he is talking about is exactly what the show is about, but it hasn’t happened yet. You can’t look at 1960 and say, ‘Why aren’t you doing a show about 1965?’ Also, Sterling Cooper is not cutting-edge; it’s mired in the past. The story to me is about the onset of a subversive ethnic point of view that has not yet poked through to Sterling Cooper. They’re dinosaurs.


The process George Lois was talking about, was what he called the creative revolution. We had three women copywriters. We didn’t bed secretaries. I introduced Xerox. It was hard, hard work and no nonsense. ‘Mad Men’ is typical of ‘The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit,’ those phony S.O.B.’s. I was a Greek bigmouth, a Korean War veteran. I used my ethnicity to promote my talent. Before you knew it, most of the great creative talent was Italian, Greek and Jewish. We broke through the terrible WASP-ness of the business.

Now, technically Don is a WASP, but from Dogpatch, so not really. He does absorb the creative energy of the times, and wants to make his name as a cutting edge creative director. Wonder if his and Peggy's willingness to take risks and innovate will be enough to ride the wave, or will they need an infusion of new talent this season?

Edited by Tom Bomb, Feb 16, 2012 @ 10:12 AM.


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Posted Feb 16, 2012 @ 9:53 PM

I'd really like to see them work in flashbacks of how the fur salesman pushing his foot in the door at Sterling Cooper became the revered Don Draper

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Posted Feb 17, 2012 @ 9:31 AM

My S5 wish list earlier was: more Don/Peggy/Pete. I'm still on that kick although my hopes are fading.

Given MW is constantly re-inventing, let me offer up a perspective:
S1 - Mystery of Don's secret, the double life thing.
S2 - Don tries but can't fit into the "normal" box
S3 - Don tries to have it all and loses Betty
S4 - Don falls apart

So, in Don-centric fashion, I'm going to work backward to the middle. If this is a 7 year total arc and S4 had Don fall apart then:
By the end of S7 I want him to have some level of personal peace but I could see S7 be a testing of whatever "peace" he's found and proof he's not going to flit away again.
S6 - I could see him finally stabilize.

which leaves us with:
S5 - I guess I'd like to see him be capable of being a creative genius WITHOUT alcohol or infidelity. Perhaps maybe appreciate what he has in terms of those who work with him (bringing back in the Peggy and Pete mentoring).


In the Paley Center interview after S1 Jon Hamm said he told BOTH Peggy and Pete how to get along in the office. Peggy listened and succeeded, Pete did not and failed. I think in S2/S3 Pete focused on getting accounts and doing his job (i.e. he listened). So he succeeded.

NOW what is their relationship? He needs to stop beating up both. He beats up Peggy but then has a private thank you moment with her in the Suitcase. He yells at Pete over Glo-Coat and then says Pete would never have lost the Lucky Strike account.

I'd really like to see more of the Don/Peggy and Don/Pete relationship. Where do they head now? Again, I have dim expectations. I imagine it'll be more infidelity, more drinking, etc...

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Posted Feb 18, 2012 @ 6:54 PM

And me! Plus, the Monkees debuted on TV in '66 ... lots and lots of Yardley commercials -- London was it!


Then there was the Four Seasons' Beachnut Gum commercial which with minor tinkering became a top ten hit that still gets airplay on oldies stations. They could do that.....

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Posted Feb 19, 2012 @ 12:52 PM

Then there was the Four Seasons' Beachnut Gum commercial which with minor tinkering became a top ten hit that still gets airplay on oldies stations. They could do that.....


I had NO idea what you were talking about so....YouTube-To-The-Rescue!

That was awesome. I've always been a fan of Franky Valli & The Four Seasons.

And you're right, we could definitely see more TV exploration.

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Posted Feb 27, 2012 @ 4:08 PM

I hope Megan does get a Jr. Copywriter job and works under Peggy. Peggy, resentful over how Megan got the job, treats her coldly. I'd hope Megan can earn some of Peggy's respect as the season goes along.

Or kill her off in the first five minutes. Do anything to her besides make her a Jane 2.0.

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Posted Mar 11, 2012 @ 8:27 PM

I would like for:
-Don and Megan's wedding to happen onscreen, where something major can happen and some sort of shit hits the fan. The wedding goes through, but the marriage lasts 8 days.
-More Joan and Peggy scenes. Is it too immature to want them to have a sleepover where they dish and bitch about everyone in the office in their pijamas?
-I actually loved the dynamic Peggy had with pigly Stan. Would love to see that develop.Maybe Peg can try to teach him how to be a gentleman and he can fail miserably. More sexually tense filled late nighters and prank wars for those 2, please!
-Betty and Don share a scorching one night stand one very hot night, but they decide to leave it at that. For now, anyway.
-Would love for the Barretts, especially Bobbie, to make an appearance or two. Absolutely loved her in S2.
-More Trudy and Pete. I love that couple. Both individual characters grew on me more than I ever thought they would, as the couple did. Pete and Peggy were sweet, but they don't really stand a chance, do they?
-Greg to be shot dead in the Vietnamese jungle.
-Paul Kinsey to return. Loved his relationship with Joan. He could be there for Joan after Greg kicks it, and until Roger realizes the kid is his.
-Sal to return happily (yet discreetly) out of the closet (as long as Stan remains, though)

Edited by Bawoman, Mar 11, 2012 @ 10:19 PM.


#222

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Posted Mar 12, 2012 @ 3:14 AM

I want to see the red door of the Draper house getting painted black.
And I want to hear a certain Rolling Stones song in the background at that moment.
That's all I want.

Edited by Acrylamid, Mar 12, 2012 @ 1:07 PM.


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Posted Mar 17, 2012 @ 8:32 PM

Let's see, what do I want?

I want to see more Pete and Trudy, and I want Peggy to rock the house at SCDP. I want Don to cheat on Megan, and I want him to suffer the consequences, whatever they may be. I've grown tired of watching him have affairs and never get caught.

I would like to see more Layne and Harry and have Paul and Sal come back, if only for Midge-sized cameos. I'm curious to see how those two are doing. I want Joan to be a good mother, and I want Roger to realize what a dipshit he was for knocking her up. I would like Jane to find out about the pregnancy, and get knocked off her high horse. Jane is a fun character, but she rubs me the wrong way, and let's face it- after being the other woman herself, she deserves to find out about Roger's transgression, especially since it was with Joan. Oh, that would be fun to watch.

I want to see Sally rebel and I want Bobby to grow a personality. I would like to see Betty flesh out as a character, and not be so one dimensional, but it would still be great if Henry leaves her ass. Then she and Don can learn the same lesson: you can't marry someone you hardly know and hope for happiness. You have to WORK for it.

Not an original wishlist, I know, but oh well.

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Posted Mar 18, 2012 @ 9:42 AM

Let's see, what do I want?

I want to see more Pete and Trudy, and I want Peggy to rock the house at SCDP. I want Don to cheat on Megan, and I want him to suffer the consequences, whatever they may be. I've grown tired of watching him have affairs and never get caught.

I would like to see more Layne and Harry and have Paul and Sal come back, if only for Midge-sized cameos. I'm curious to see how those two are doing. I want Joan to be a good mother, and I want Roger to realize what a dipshit he was for knocking her up. I would like Jane to find out about the pregnancy, and get knocked off her high horse. Jane is a fun character, but she rubs me the wrong way, and let's face it- after being the other woman herself, she deserves to find out about Roger's transgression, especially since it was with Joan. Oh, that would be fun to watch.

I want to see Sally rebel and I want Bobby to grow a personality. I would like to see Betty flesh out as a character, and not be so one dimensional, but it would still be great if Henry leaves her ass. Then she and Don can learn the same lesson: you can't marry someone you hardly know and hope for happiness. You have to WORK for it.

Not an original wishlist, I know, but oh well.


Sounds reasonable to me, Rdnzi!

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Posted Mar 20, 2012 @ 11:44 AM

Since we've already seen Don get "caught" and we've seen him have to deal with the consequences of cheating and sleeping around, I don't really want to see too much of that this season. He's had to deal with the consequences of his relationships with Bobbie, Suzanne, Allison, Faye, Rachel, and even that nameless woman from Random House. He got tripped up during his lost weekend with those anonymous women and he ended up disappointing his kids and making Betty furious with him. Don's even been held accountable for affairs that he's never had. Peggy's mom thinks that he got Peggy pregnant and Betty has gone off on him for supposedly having an affair with his nurse neighbor, implying that he's corrupted Sally with his example.

I don't mind if Don cheats on Megan I just hope we have good reasons for whatever choices he ends up making. I also hope that whoever he cheats with (if he does indeed cheat) is someone we already know or someone whose personality is more complex than say a character like Joy or Bethany.

Betty and Don share a scorching one night stand one very hot night, but they decide to leave it at that. For now, anyway.


I'd like to see this happen. I want to be able to like Betty again and I want to see something beyond her being this unpleasant woman who makes life difficult for the people around her. Maybe an affair would be just the thing to breathe some new life into her.

I'd like to see Roger bring in a new account. I can't see him working hard to chase one but I can see him maybe lucking into something and that could be interesting if they show that there's still life in the old silver fox. I'd love to get another excerpt from his memoirs too. Maybe it could come via Burt and he says something like 'I can't believe you were indiscreet enough to mention Ida Blankenship--everyone who's read it knows it's her! or I can't believe you wrote _______'. I thought all of the memoir stuff was gold (pun only marginally intended lol) so I'd enjoy getting another line from that if possible.

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Posted Mar 20, 2012 @ 3:41 PM

If Don must be married to Megan then I'd like to see one of two things.

1. We see her true personality emerge and find out she was scheming the marriage to Don (and his money) from the very beginning and we realize her every move was a carefully calculated piece of the overall strategy.

Or

2. We find out Megan only likes the beginnings of things and soon becomes disillusioned with Don and his old-fashioned (over 30) ways. She winds up firmly entrenched in the counter culture, thanks to Peggy and jumps whole hog into the free love atmosphere.

Edited by rogaine2233, Mar 20, 2012 @ 3:42 PM.


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Posted Mar 21, 2012 @ 5:08 PM

I have one more wish: I would like to see Roger and Jane divorce. There is no way they can stay married for long.

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Posted Mar 21, 2012 @ 9:30 PM

I wish for Pete and Peggy to be buddies. Bonding over office politics and able to talk about their personal lives in a supportive manner. I'm not going to get this. I just want it.

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Posted Mar 29, 2012 @ 9:09 AM

I wish for Pete and Peggy to be buddies. Bonding over office politics and able to talk about their personal lives in a supportive manner. I'm not going to get this. I just want it.


I'd like to see them form an alliance at work. Distracted Don and Roger being Roger isn't working for either Peggy or Pete. However, their combined ambition, work ethic and modernity could make them a formidable team.

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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 4:01 PM

I want to see Don and Megan in one of the matching his-n-hers outfits shown in the first few pages of the 1966 Sears Christmas Catalog. Heck, the couple in the blue blazers on page 2 could almost pass for the Drapers...

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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 4:25 PM

Squee! Inquisitionist, that catalog scan is gold! I want Bobby to get the Green Beret outfit and Sally to get the Tressy doll with the mod outfits for Christmas.

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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 4:34 PM

Decormaven, I used to spend hours on end drooling over the "Wish Book." :-) I found the one for 1968 online as well. Even then, Sears rarely showed a hemline higher than knee-level for adult women. My mom never wore anything that could be remotely regarded as a mini-skirt, and I don't think any of our neighbors did either (unless they wanted to be gossiped about).

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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 5:16 PM

Echoing the Wish Book memories here. We used to point out things for Mom (who did all the shopping).

I think Megan is too mod for the matching outfits but Betty would go there. And Trudy? Oh yeah, she and Tammy will have matching outfits -- I'd bet money.


My current wish: I'm ready for the "winter of our discontent" to be over. I'd like a little happy now please.

#234

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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 12:06 PM

That catalogue is amazing!

I would like Roger to look a little less silly. And I could seriously do with advertising pitch gold from Mr. Draper. Those two are both in the doldrums as far as work is concerned right now.

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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 7:01 AM

Tom Bomb presciently called my wish in February:

"The process George Lois was talking about, was what he called the creative revolution. We had three women copywriters. We didn’t bed secretaries. I introduced Xerox. It was hard, hard work and no nonsense. ‘Mad Men’ is typical of ‘The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit,’ those phony S.O.B.’s. I was a Greek bigmouth, a Korean War veteran. I used my ethnicity to promote my talent. Before you knew it, most of the great creative talent was Italian, Greek and Jewish. We broke through the terrible WASP-ness of the business".

Now, technically Don is a WASP, but from Dogpatch, so not really. He does absorb the creative energy of the times, and wants to make his name as a cutting edge creative director. Wonder if his and Peggy's willingness to take risks and innovate will be enough to ride the wave, or will they need an infusion of new talent this season?


I hope they let us watch Michael Ginsberg reenact everything legends like Bill Bernbach or Stan Freberg ever taught us about great Creative (while exploring the too-sweet-and-earnest-for-this-world quality they've already hinted at for him).

Edited by repag, Apr 8, 2012 @ 7:17 AM.


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Posted Apr 12, 2012 @ 5:38 PM

Oooh, if we're talking NYC in November 1966, I hope sombody from the MM crowd gets an invite to this shindig. Betty, break out the Relax-I-Cizor so you can wear a fetching frock!

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Posted Apr 19, 2012 @ 10:59 PM

I'd love to see more Peggy and Joan moments. I would love for Joan to be the one who learns about Peggy's pregnancy due to Pete and for Peggy to learn that Kevin is really Rogers's baby, but that seems more intimate a situation than what Weiner would have these two characters find themselves in. Nonetheless, more Peggy and Joan scenes please- like the one we saw in "Tomorrowland!"

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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 5:56 AM

Despite her glee at Pete's comeuppance, I'd like to see Pete turn to Peggy for input on clients. These guys could really accomplish a lot if they work together. Her pact with Kenny is a pact with someone who has one foot out the door and it isn't to another advertising agency.

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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 5:59 AM

Now that season 5 has started, I am amending my wish list.

The return of Edgy!Don and no more GoldenRetriever!Don.

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Posted Apr 20, 2012 @ 12:59 PM

More Peggy.

Actually have a Joan and Roger scene. I know it's because we're not supposed to know how things stand between them babywise but avoiding scenes is cheap.

Enough of male mid-life crisis theatre and the deathless drahma of it all.

I don't need to know Megan's secrets, if any (acting, no babies she's a he/she, whatever) because just move on already.

Social issues aside, I just feel that there have to be more fun things going on in nyc in the advertising business than visiting Belle Watling's establishment and reminding us that Don Draper still has it.

Edited by WaltzinSpringTm, Apr 20, 2012 @ 1:05 PM.