Boardwalk Empire vs. History: Al Capone Didnít Look Like That!
Posted Sep 15, 2010 @ 11:48 PM
Posted Sep 19, 2010 @ 9:29 PM
Was Luciano really tied in with Rothstein this early (1st months of 1920)? I always thought that Rothstein hooked up with Luciano and Meyer Lansky in 1921 or so, and that Legs Diamond was Rothstein's muscle and right-hand man early on.
Posted Sep 19, 2010 @ 9:50 PM
Another quirky attraction was the ďInfant Incubator ExhibitĒ across from the Million Dollar Pier. In the early 20th century, incubators for premature babies were a technological noveltyĖbut hospitals needed funds to purchase them, and that required public support for the idea. To raise interest, incubators were displayed to the public with the tiny preemies still inside. ďBaby HatcheriesĒ were found at state fairs,amusement parks like Coney Island, and of course Atlantic City. Admission was charged to view the tiny human babies in incubators as they were cared for by nurses.
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Posted Sep 20, 2010 @ 9:45 AM
I wonder if we'll get to see Bugsy Seigel and Meyer Lansky as well as Lucky.
Since I didn't want to go off topic in the episode thread...I doubt we'll see Bugsy or Lansky, as they're more part of Lucky's story, and from what I gather, this show, although about Prohibition, is also Nucky's story/journey.
Though it would be cool to see Lucky meet with Messaria and have him whacked, Bugsy being one of those that took him out.
Posted Sep 20, 2010 @ 10:31 AM
This episode had Colisimo's stance toward bootlegging oversimplified. He wasn't against it -- in fact, he and Torrio were involved with blackmarket booze even before Prohibition -- he just didn't buy into Torrio's plans to form a syndicate of Chicago gangs that were to set the price of booze (so as to not undercut each other's prices), and to cooperate in setting up beer and whiskey distribution territories, with each gang getting a monopoly in their home territory.
Edited by clack, Sep 20, 2010 @ 10:32 AM.
Posted Sep 20, 2010 @ 5:53 PM
Here's a link: Amazon.com's page
Posted Sep 20, 2010 @ 8:21 PM
Posted Sep 20, 2010 @ 8:53 PM
Having just read Okrent's "Last Call", it seems that they're taking some liberty with the Prohibition Agents, in that they were not at all that organized at the beginning of prohibition, and were underfunded and in large part inept/corrupt throughout...still I appreciate that they need antagonists for Nucky...
I read Last Call this summer and was really curious to see how the semi-fictitious version of Prohibition would play out in BE. They did deal a little with the incompetence issue with the guy on the phone getting the names all wrong, but my first reaction to all those G-Men taking their oaths was "and they were corrupted too".
Posted Sep 24, 2010 @ 12:11 AM
Posted Sep 25, 2010 @ 5:42 PM
Now there are giant sand dunes between the beach and the Boardwalk, and I never considered they might be a recent addition to the shore until watching the show.
ETA: did some research - looks like the dunes really are a recent project done by the US Army Corps of Engineers. Details are here Absecon Island Shore Protection Project if you're curious.
Edited by Jacob's Hair Dye, Sep 25, 2010 @ 8:33 PM.
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Posted Oct 2, 2010 @ 5:31 AM
I finally had time to watch all of HBO OD "Creating an Empire" where all this is available - very highly recommend the Sin City: AC, Speakeasy Tour, & Color Barrier segments.
ETA- Just one of dozens of fun factoids from these Boardwalk ODs: In ep 2 Capone was most likely tending bar at the Four Deuces, located @ 2222 South Wabash Avenue, a very lucrative joy house Johnny Torrio ran for Big Jim Colosimo. No wonder shots there were so pricey, considering what (who?) else you were paying for...
Edited by Boisvert 8, Oct 2, 2010 @ 12:07 PM.
Posted Oct 3, 2010 @ 9:37 PM
I'm not sure that it's exactly anachronistic. The KKK weren't only concentrated in the south, especially since The Birth of Nation came out before 1920. Also, Chalkie White is a black gangster on the black side of town. They did exist (and weren't only relegated to number running. Larry Fishburne played numbers runner and bootlegger Bumpy Johnson in Hoodlum, so it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me that Chalkie would try to find a way to get in on the action when it's being offered). And seeing as how Nucky is about money first, I can't see him turning his back on business just because a potential associate is black.
What an anachronistic mess this show is turning out to be. African Americans running booze? The KKK operating in NJ in 1920? Oy.
Edited by fashionista79, Oct 3, 2010 @ 9:38 PM.
Posted Oct 3, 2010 @ 10:10 PM
Of course they were African American racketeers, and historical Nucky did do business with them (as did Capone) but they were confined to operating in their own neighborhoods. They were no more welcome in the criminal big leagues than they were in the baseball big leagues.
Posted Oct 4, 2010 @ 7:02 AM
Well, the Klan did operate in NJ, though I don't know whether they did in Atlantic City. But they didn't arrive until 1921, and they were non-violent (unlike the Indiana chapter, say).
Well, South Jersey is below the Mason-Dixon line and there were plenty of Confederate sympathizers during the Civil War. According to Daniel Okrent's "Last Call" the KKK was part of the Dry coalition but their reasons for supporting Prohibition had more to do with anti-Catholicism and anti-Semitism (anti immigrants in general). Racial animus existed even if the KKK wasn't violent nor solely targeting blacks at that point. I have a feeling that the KKK will be fingered for trying to interfere with the liquor deal Nucky set up with Chaulky but it wouldn't surprise me if it was Doyle's men who killed Chaulky's man and tried to make it look like the KKK.
Edited by mshepnj, Oct 4, 2010 @ 7:03 AM.
Posted Oct 4, 2010 @ 9:16 AM
Trouble is, it gives the show a cartoon-y tone. It's as if, 90 years from now, a TV show about the Atlantic City of 2010 would include Tea Party rallies and al-Qaeda terrorist cells.
Posted Oct 4, 2010 @ 11:24 AM
Winning quote on the KKK in Rhode Island: ''Outside of New England, you didn't see many Klans celebrating at clambakes,'' says Smith.
That same news article on the clan's presence in RI goes on to say as the 20s went on clan announcements became common enough that they were in the newspaper without much comment. Something along the lines of: "Bring your sheet, we're having a clambake and bitching about Papists."
Posted Oct 4, 2010 @ 4:34 PM
Boisvert 8, I watched that 20-minute AC documentary last week (fascinating stuff, how AC was "Vegas before Vegas", how Nucky courted the black vote, and how he wasn't really a Republican or Democrat, he just liked that the GOP gave him $$, etc), but I didn't notice any big spoilers. Can you please post? (with spoiler tags if you like)
(BIG SPOILER WARNING ON SIN CITY: AC SEGMENT CLIPS)
Posted Oct 4, 2010 @ 5:14 PM
(Growing up, the kindly owner of my local candy store was head of the local KKK, I found out years later.)
Posted Oct 4, 2010 @ 8:26 PM
Trying to stick to the letter of the Do & Dont's & use an abundance of caution here on the TWoP BE boards- I was referring to all the snippets from future episodes (for example that one of The Commodore on what looks to perhaps be his deathbed) that the HBO OD segment contains.
Posted Oct 5, 2010 @ 12:59 PM
The footnote for that, however, says:
The first appearance of the KKK in New Jersey was in 1921, where it had crossed over from New York and Pennsylvania.
"First spread" and "first appearance" may mean the same thing, but not necessarily all of the time. I have not looked through all of the other sources, and I am definitely not an expert on the Klan, but is it possible that there had been a few recruiters scattered throughout New Jersey the year before the big push into the state?
The KKK first spread to New Jersey from the states of New York and Pennsylvania early in 1921 and has had a history of being a peaceful Klan.
As for violence or non-violence, there has been no evidence of either so far in the show. The man being lynched probably had a racial component to it, but I noticed nothing indicating the involvement of the Klan in terms of either the scene itself or the characters.
Posted Oct 5, 2010 @ 2:21 PM
But- I felt that after they showed us the conversation in the bar with 'Doyle' - who obviously KNEW Chalky's men had taken over his watering-down business and was extremely angry about it- that it was Doyle and his comrades who had lynched Chalky's driver. They had a specific motive to get back at Chalky- and making it a lynching just would have added extra emphasis and brutality- not to mention costing Nucky more money and possibly sparking a race war as a nice little extra, courtesy of Doyle.
Posted Oct 5, 2010 @ 2:46 PM
To me, the real question is how common lynching of Black people was in post-WWI New Jersey.