The apparition was light blue, right? I am guessing it is the same guy.
Ubi, it might be the same guy. He did look like he might be Persian/Iranian and he was convinced it was a ghost and he was not happy about it.
Fact or Faked: Paranormal Files
Posted May 26, 2012 @ 4:39 PM
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Posted May 26, 2012 @ 9:46 PM
I would love to know the details of how this show works. Like at the very beginning when they are supposedly presenting their various cases for the very first time. Invariably somebody will say something like, "Oh, did you notice how that tree is perfectly straight? That's classic CGI." End of story. Do they really notice right then and there, or is it all rehearsed?
Yes, clearly rehearsed. And this last episode was so boring, it was hard to even make fun of. I think most of us could have solved both cases without leaving the "command center".
Gas station ghost? Bug on the lens.
Lizard Man? Fake.
Posted May 27, 2012 @ 7:59 AM
Lol, that seems to be correct.
So let me get this straight: if you debunk the photographic evidence presented to you, but a couple of your pieces of equipment move -- on a ship! -- then it is definitely evidence of the paranormal.
Is that right?
So if someone else can reproduce a camera being moved on a battleship (or whatever it is), does that debunk their evidence?
Posted May 30, 2012 @ 4:32 PM
Then, back to my state of Kentucky again - after quickly giving up on Bigfoot a few weeks back - and now they are looking for ghost cat. Despite the stories of other strange activity, like the ghost man seen sitting in a particular chair, all they do is figure out that a flashlight caused the strange image and then they go home without doing their usual night investigation.
Posted May 31, 2012 @ 1:37 AM
The "jump" was especially unnatural. After the jump the creature moves straight down at a very fast and constant rate instead of falling at an increasing rate. This was a single animation just panned down the frame.
But who needs CGI? For the second week in a row a mystery was caught on tape that was caused by a simple flashlight. They've got to stop chasing shapeless blobs of light.
Posted May 31, 2012 @ 5:56 AM
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Posted May 31, 2012 @ 11:25 AM
The slightly dark Prosperity School blob was hardly visible but they didn't have the alleged other better footage. The Brazilian Spheres were just blobs of light in the sky that separate and recombine and apparently teleport. If not faked they were most likely bright birds that were lit by the sun and out of focus. Since they were only about the size of a pixel, they'll look sharp anyway. The cut right around the palm frond is the most difficult part to animate and was even worse than the still-frame animated gargoyle but it could also be a bird diving with the edge of its wings toward the camera. The thin profile combined with being out of focus will make it disappear until it turns its wings back towards the camera.
Fakes like the spheres and the gargoyle always have the mystery object passing behind a closer object. They hope this will fool people into thinking it's impossible to fake but it's just more work and many fakes have been exposed by doing this wrong. The California Drone was a good example of where someone worked very hard to carefully put their CGI creation behind a complicated power pole but made a single mistake that proved it had been faked.
Oh, damn another serious problem I just saw. As the camera is panning back to the creature early in the clip, in one frame the castle is completely motion blurred. It's nothing but a featureless gray rectangle. Even the background light below the castle has left a long horizontal trail. However the creature and its bright eyes are perfectly sharp. You can see the outline of its arm with no blurriness from the panning. Even its bright eyes are still pin points. They should be horizontal trails like the light below the castle.
In the next frame the camera pans up slightly, giving the real lights diagonal trails. The creature is still perfectly sharp, eyes still pin points.
The creature and the background don't match.
Posted Jun 3, 2012 @ 7:07 PM
I'm surprised they didn't try a guy with a gigantic penis for the tail.
One of my favorite things about this show is how, every single episode, THREE investigators just can't WAIT to investigate Clip "A" and THREE of the investigators are just licking their chops to investigate Clip "B". Never four for "A" and two for "B" or one for "A" and four for "B". It is always a threesome on this show.
I'd love to see...
BEN: "I'd love to look into the theater ghost clip".
AUSTIN: "I'm really interested in the phantom lights".
JAEL: "Yeah, I'd like to check out those lights, too".
LANISHA: "Count me in on the phantom lights clip".
DEVIN: "I think the theater ghost clip looks really interesting".
BILL: "I'd like to examine the source of those phantom lights as well".
AUSTIN: "Hey, fuck you, Bill. In rehearsal we told you to go with the theater ghost".
BILL: "Yeah, well, that fucking theater ghost is obviously CGI, so I'm taking the phantom lights".
AUSTIN: "The phantom lights are clearly reflected headlights from cars on the highway, so go to the theater!"
Posted Jun 4, 2012 @ 10:53 AM
JAEL: "The man who shot this footage speaks Spanish? I speak Spanish, but that won't influence my vote by giving me lots of camera time during the investigation."
The stupid gargoyle still bugs me. They step through the Brazil lights frame by frame and exclude it because of one frame. There were at least two frames in the gargoyle clip that strongly suggest it had been animated and at least two more frames that clearly prove the image of the gargoyle was not captured at the same time the image of the castle was. When a camera pans and the background leaves a motion blur trail yet the bigfoot/UFO/Mothman is still sharp, it's 100% fake. Animating motion blur to match the background is easy to do but the kids who work on fakes don't want to see their animation smeared.
I haven't found any discussion of the gargoyle anywhere. That suggests that FoF were the only people fooled by it.
Posted Jun 4, 2012 @ 5:01 PM
That suggests that FoF were the only people fooled by it.
I don't think they were fooled, I just think they needed something to investigate that ISN'T a ghostly apparition in a theater, a ghostly apparition in a hotel, a ghostly apparition in ship, a ghostly apparition in a hospital, a or ghostly apparition in a hallway.
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Posted Jun 6, 2012 @ 12:00 PM
Give it some time. These things go in cycles. The summer is when the hoaxes and fakes hit the Internet hard. Kids are out of school and at home playing with new CGI software. People are outside where they can videotape balloons with LEDs on them that hoaxers have released. Once one good fake hits the Internet, there will be people who will try to top it or at least pull off something similar.
Like I said earlier, they've run out of good footage to investigate.
The flying object (little more than a dot on the IR screen) was almost certainly a bird. It had the characteristics of a bird taking off, building speed, then gracefully flying into the trees.
What did you guys think about the UFO case tonight? It was... interesting to say the least. I'm not sure what it was that they were seeing, but it was certainly the most interesting thing I've ever seen them catch
The rest of the stuff... who knows? It bugs me is that they do everything they can to replicate and debunk existing footage but when their own night time investigations create new and more startling results they just shrug their shoulders and declare it unexplainable instead of investigating it like the original footage. The lights and flashes last night begged for more study and may have had simple explanations, but I guess they didn't have time for it.
Things like the whistling ghost a couple of weeks ago make them look like they were the victims of a practical joke. Far too many of their night time investigations catch spooky things. Most investigators not on television shows will study a place or an area for a week or longer and not get any results.
Posted Jun 7, 2012 @ 12:05 PM
The playground gargoyle was so dark and muddied that I could barely make it out, save for the eyes. My initial thought was "CGI" and when they observed how it jumped down in an "unnatural motion", I figured they'd conclude what I had suspect, but noooo... they had to rig up an overly-complicated pulley system to yank it to the ground. And then they wandered into the nearby woods for a couple hours to investigate, which was just silly.
The ghost cat was interesting; at least I didn't immediately realize it was a flashlight beam and I thought the stunt cat looked pretty close, if only its path had been a little lower so the legs weren't in frame...
Posted Jun 7, 2012 @ 12:27 PM
Posted Jun 7, 2012 @ 12:37 PM
They also never explained how they animated gargoyle could have disappeared right after it jumped. The playground castle was open (you could see the trees through it) so we should have seen the shadowy figure fall to the ground behind the castle. Instead it vanished right after it jumped. I'm dumbfounded that they stepped through one clip and dismissed it due to a single questionable frame, yet chose to investigate a clip that had several frames that were probably or certainly faked.
The playground gargoyle was so dark and muddied that I could barely make it out, save for the eyes. My initial thought was "CGI" and when they observed how it jumped down in an "unnatural motion", I figured they'd conclude what I had suspect, but noooo... they had to rig up an overly-complicated pulley system to yank it to the ground.
My cat is also fooled by flashlights! :)
Posted Jun 7, 2012 @ 11:53 PM
Their statements about the house in Colorado were also misleading/illogical. First, the family has lived there for 30 years, so things couldn't have been that bad. Second, there really was no time element involved. Even if the family moved out, the house was still going to be there and could be investigated. The slant the show puts on most of the investigations bugs the hell out of me. (Note to self: Why am I still watching this show? I can't figure out what they expect to prove in most of these cases.)
Posted Jun 8, 2012 @ 12:46 AM
There are so many statements made on this show that make me weep for the future of the country, such as "Well, this area is known to be a UFO corridor"
You know, I bristled at that statement initially as well, but after a little thought...
"UFO" most certainly refers to objects that are not identified, not necessarily alien craft. If there was a corridor in that particular area where there were numerous UFO reports, even if they were later identified, I would say that Bill's statement would be a fair one. I think any stretch of populated area where there are numerous UFO reports could be considered a "UFO corridor".
After thinking about it I didn't take this particular statement in the same manner as "Finding Bigfoot" where they declare that a particular area is definitely home to the mythical creature.
Posted Jun 8, 2012 @ 4:39 AM
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Posted Jun 8, 2012 @ 11:54 AM
They are correct that there are "many" of them but fortunately they're a small fraction of the people who post on forums that cover paranormal topics. They are completely immune to any form of logic and are just desperate to believe in anything. Weep only for them because they must live difficult lives.
There are so many statements made on this show that make me weep for the future of the country, such as "Well, this area is known to be a UFO corridor", "Many people believe this (obviously CGIed floating sphere) to be evidence of alien technology", and my favorite, "Many people believe this (optical illusion) to be the planet Miraboo, whose appearance foreshadows the destruction of the Earth in 2012."
I think FoF is far better than other shows. There's some Ancient Aliens show that is rehashing the old "ancient astronauts" crap that lots of folks in the 70's fell for until it was completely debunked. I've never seen it but apparently they went through all of Von Däniken debunked books and are rehashing the same silly conclusions that he got rich off of. Every bit of "evidence" the show presents is straight from the old books and is easily explained by those who went through the ancient astronaut craze. Nevertheless the show has created a new generation of true believers who are certain aliens built every crude ancient structure on Earth.
The format now is first to prove that the existing footage has been faked... then create their own footage which they do no real investigation of to make sure the viewers are left with some exciting mystery to hold onto. I suspect that if every episode simply debunked everything, very few people would continue to watch it.
(Note to self: Why am I still watching this show? I can't figure out what they expect to prove in most of these cases.)
While some of the investigations are clumsy and irritate me, it's good to be able to analyze the investigations and find the flaws. They generally do a good job of showing common hoaxing techniques and often get spectacular results. For me that makes it worth watching. I had no idea you can buy a silver balloon that's the shape of a classic flying saucer.
Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 12:52 PM
The night time investigation was silly. Austin was walking the basement and something fell from the unfinished ceiling. The thing to do was look at what fell and see what it might have fallen off of. Remember that Lanisha is right above him with a lot of equipment. It's likely that this deteriorating abandoned place hasn't had this many people walking around in it for a while so loose stuff is likely to fall from the ducts and conduit hanging from the basement ceiling. I didn't see the second thing that was supposedly thrown at him. I also didn't hear the footsteps or crash they claimed to have heard. The "Get out of here!" voice they supposedly recorded could have been anything, like someone's jacket sleeve rubbing on something.
The NASA graveyard thing was excellent. They matched the originals perfectly. They immediately looked like long-shutter light drawings to me. The best shot appeared to be a lucky lightening strike in the background. Best of all, they didn't spend a night in a graveyard jumping at every noise. For a location that reportedly had screaming and disembodied voices, it's odd that they passed on doing a night time investigation of it.
Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 9:29 AM
Did they actually explain the height difference other than the 2% incline? What about the horses not entering that zone? Really cool stuff.
Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 11:19 AM
If I remember right, we measured something closer to a 10% incline where we stood. I think their level was messed up or maybe they've changed the area. Also where the "shorter" person stood, the ground was so uneven so you felt very uncomfortable standing straight up with your feet together. You naturally want to hunch a little. Viola... you're now shorter.
Back when I was there, they had a pendulum set up that worked differently than what we saw on the show. It would start swinging in one direction and eventually start swinging in a direction 90 degrees from where it started, then it would go back. The vertical string to the pendulum was hanging from another string loosely tied horizontally in the direction of where the pendulum starts. Eventually the energy from the vertical string would transfer to the horizontal string which would cause it to swing perpendicularly from the vertical string. You can duplicate this effect anywhere. Pendulums with single strings swung normally.
I guess people wised up to what was happening with that two-string set up so they came up with a new parlor trick for the pendulum. I like the buried magnets idea but I guess all their equipment to detect magnetic fields was with the ghost hunters in England and they didn't know how to use their compasses.
The house is pure optical illusion. It was very easy (and also disappointing) to prove that they were simple magic tricks.
As for the horses, they should have covered their eyes to see if they were being spooked by something they saw or something else. Horses are sensitive creatures and most will not go places they don't feel safe.
The ghost in England (another overseas trip?) was a bug on the camera. You didn't have to invert the video to see it was a bug. Didn't they do this once already? Nice of them to figure that out after their trip.
Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 12:15 PM
They sure pack up and go to England a lot. I still laugh about the stuff they just happen to take with them.
I live near a farm in the Bluegrass of Kentucky that many locals won't go near because of all the paranormal activity. Most won't drive down the road, which is about a mile from me. I need to try to get some activity on video so they will come here!
Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 9:41 PM
When I was a kid, here in Florida, there was a theme park called "Six Gun Territory" which is long, long gone. I went there. It was a western-themed attraction, and they BUILT a mystery house inside the theme park and it had ALL the same illusions. Water ran uphill, billiard ball rolling uphill, height change illusion, etc...