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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 11:45 AM

Well - my opinion is always qualified by how I think this entire show is staged - but assuming this was an accurate depiction of something that actually happened...

Seth is totally going to run that business into the ground when and if Les ever leaves.

Ashley is no prize, and I sense part of Seth's resentment is that Ashley "gets away with" more because she's the daughter, and because Les is an ass who basically threatens Seth with handing the store to Ashley whenever he wants. But agreed, Forn. Seth was a fucking ass to the customer. It's not the customer's fault that Ashley made a bad deal (in theory) and the customer didn't call Seth a motherfucker so why is Seth trotting behind the guy insulting the man to his face? Oh right, because Ashley pissed him off so the *customer* has to pay for Seth feeling like his dick isn't big enough.

Now like I said, I think a LOT of this show is staged... but none of the Gold family are that good at acting. I think Ashley had an actual breakdown over Seth behaving like a raging ass. If the employeee Seth got pissed with was anyone other than his sister, Seth would be looking at a harassment lawsuit. My boss has every right to correct me, he doesn't have the right to cuss me out in public and when Seth does this, he just shows he's a tempermental little boy with his panties in a wad who has to work for daddy because no one else would EVER put up wth Seth screaming "you're a fucking idiot!" at female employees.

And I can tell Les has a lot invested in people thinking he's a guy who will call you motherfucker and kick your ass, but you know what I notice? The non family employees don't pull this kind of shit. I've never seen Rick tell Ashley she's a fucking piece of shit, and you know why? Because Rick can be fired.
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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 5:51 PM

I think Ashley's blow up behind closed doors was the most real thing that has happened on this show since it has been on the air.
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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 8:05 PM

I think Ashley's blow up behind closed doors was the most real thing that has happened on this show since it has been on the air.


Upon watching the rerun of this episode, I have to agree with you misterbfd. Ashley lost it in a very real sense.

And I don't like Ashley... but after watching Seth be all "Even though I thought he was being stupid, I had to back Rick's offer because he works here", watching that nasty piece of shit rip into Ashley *in front of the customer* and then rip into the customer.... I have thoughts.

a) Ashley really needs to consider whether being on Dad's dog and pony show is worth it to her

b) Les really needs to sit his bitch boy heir down and explain how acting like a heinous inconsistent shit on tv could have long term consequences. Granted... I'm not a Detroit resident but I'm utterly certain that if Seth was dying of thirst and spitting on him would save his life... I'd seriously have to think about it.
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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 11:34 AM

The non family employees don't pull this kind of shit. I've never seen Rick tell Ashley she's a fucking piece of shit, and you know why? Because Rick can be fired.

And only the family members get all puffed up once the security guards arrive and chase the customers out the door screaming curse words at them. The non-family employees don't do this because they have something the Golds don't - they have accountability. "No one messes with us here". I'd like to see an employee get dressed down for unprofessional behavior and watch them say "I'm just following your example".

And the dynamic between the family members is just as disgusting. Sometimes I wonder why I watch this show.

Les really needs to sit his bitch boy heir down and explain how acting like a heinous inconsistent shit on tv could have long term consequences.

Right. Why would anyone want to conduct business at this store after seeing Seth come out and belittle a customer who was behaving in a completely civil and pleasant manner? It certainly can't be because they're going to get top dollar for their item, we've seen enough to know that.
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Posted May 7, 2012 @ 1:43 PM

And only the family members get all puffed up once the security guards arrive and chase the customers out the door screaming curse words at them. The non-family employees don't do this because they have something the Golds don't - they have accountability. "No one messes with us here". I'd like to see an employee get dressed down for unprofessional behavior and watch them say "I'm just following your example".


The comparison is made worse when I recall that there's actual episodes of staff getting yelled at for being rude (I recall one skinny black kid getting his butt chewed for instigating a fight) Which ok, "don't be intentionally rude" is a great rule in a business... but everyone has to follow it.


Why would anyone want to conduct business at this store after seeing Seth come out and belittle a customer who was behaving in a completely civil and pleasant manner?


Exactly. Hell, even *Ashley* wasn't rude to the customer. He offered to sell something, she gave him 30 bucks. Seth decided to interject himself in the deal and tell the guy his item was a piece of shit that would never sell. Ashley actually apoligized to the customer.

And this is after Seth's "I'm the man and here are my balls thoughts on the topic" speech about how *Rick* made a completely stupid deal with a customer - the same exact thing he accused Ashley of - but because Rick was an employee he had to back it. No "Rick, why are you buying this piece of shit, Customer you're fucking lucky Rick's a fucking idiot" display....

Believe me - Ashley is no prize for behavior but really, Seth really needs to check that attitude. Whether Ashley deserved the tirade or not, the *customer* didn't deserve the tirade, and really, Seth owes that customer, and all the staff who had to put up with the tirade, an apologyy for his incredibly unprofessional behavior.
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 4:23 AM

I absolutely can not stand Ashley, Less or Seth. That man would make a thousand percent profit on a dying person in need of an operation if he could. Ashley's personality is just immature and ugly. Seth, wow, what an immature bratty baby. Less cut that crap off the back of your neck you call hair. ewwwwww

Another thing is why do they constantly ask these people what they want the money for? In my mind, shopowner checks out what I have and makes an offer. It doesn't matter why. Ashley is so damn nosy. Have I said yet how much I detest this show?
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 8:24 AM

Another thing is why do they constantly ask these people what they want the money for?


God help me for defending the Golds, but I will, just a little, on this point. I think there's two reasons they ask about what the customer needs the money for.

1. To a point, I think its just for the cameras, so that there's a potential story there for the crew to pick up like "My husband was beating me so I had to run away and now I need to sell this camera to survive" or "I need this to go win back all my money at the casino!" At worst, it gives a little patter to the dull process of valuation, at best, the audience gets a fun story.

2. I think they ask to catch the dumbasses who actually say "I was looking to buy some drugs". The kindness of the Golds hearts aside, and "not being that kind of store" aside, I suspect there might be some legalities to being the place that routinely buys stuff from drug users. When your customer says something like "I need the money for drugs", thats a bit of a red flag that the item might be stolen.
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 10:13 AM

It was really cool that Les gave the homeless guy $50.00. I think they ask the customer what the money is need for so they loan more if it's really needed. Like if the money is needed for an operation Les may give more then if the money is needed/wanted just because they are cleaning out the closets
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 2:24 PM

When your customer says something like "I need the money for drugs", thats a bit of a red flag that the item might be stolen

Actually, that's a good point! I should have a "duh to me" smiley somewhere. :0)

Edited by kelslamu, May 8, 2012 @ 2:24 PM.

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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 5:17 PM

Exactly. Hell, even *Ashley* wasn't rude to the customer. He offered to sell something, she gave him 30 bucks. Seth decided to interject himself in the deal and tell the guy his item was a piece of shit that would never sell. Ashley actually apoligized to the customer.

Right. How bad does your behavior have to be for *Ashley* to step in and apologize for you?

Anyway, regarding the deal, Ashley was just playing "Pawn Stars" and was playing a game with the customer to see if he got $30 or $5. The customer happened to have won. I don't see what Seth was getting so upset over when it appeared to just be something to do to make it more interesting for TV.

As for why they ask why they need the money, I guess I'm more cynical than you. I agree part of it is to provide conversation for the TV show. But I think the main purpose is to decipher how desperate they are to sell.
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Posted May 9, 2012 @ 6:31 PM

As for why they ask why they need the money, I guess I'm more cynical than you. I agree part of it is to provide conversation for the TV show. But I think the main purpose is to decipher how desperate they are to sell.


Believe me, I doubt you're more cynical. ;) I am just trying to be as fair as possible, I suppose. I do think they ask that question to use the answer against the customer "You paid a 1000 for this? Really? 20 dollars is my final offer!" but sometimes I think they're just asking to fill the dead air.

Last night's episode was surprisingly subdued. Ashley pissed me off because really, walking in with "Hi, Hi, FUCK YOU SETH, Hey there" is completely unprofessional and pretty clearly was done entirely for the camera. Seth on the other hand, basically did show that she was entirely right in calling him a child. Staged or not, Seth's inability to handle a problem with Ashley without calling her a stupid fucking bitch is Seth acting like a child. And one of the few honest moments of filming was the reaction shots of the staff looking all "oh shit".

I'd hate to work there. Les clearly isn't going to step on either Seth or Ashley for acting like raging little babies. This will never happen, because Les is a doting father who coddles the kids, but here's what I would like to see happen. Les needs to hire a general manager that ISN'T one of the kids and make it very clear to the new manager that Seth and Ashley are to be held to the same standards of behavior as everyone else.

And then we'll see what happens.

Or hey, get Rick Harris to manage the place for a week. You know what? I love the fucking f word, and I sense the kids on Pawn Stars, including Rick and the Old Man use it liberally, but you know what? I never hear it near a customer or in front of a customer and I never hear Rick calling someone's item a piece of shit. It might do Seth some good to work under a boss who says "Call a female employee a fucking bitch again and you're done.". (Ashley pretty clearly doesn't need this job)
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 12:44 AM

Seth is the worst negotiator on the show. Les is usually the toughest.

Customer: I need to get $400 for this.
Les: The best I can offer you is 40 bucks.

Customer: How about $250?
Les: 40 bucks is all I can go.

Customer: Ok, look... $150 is my bottom line.
Les: 40 bucks.

Customer: 40, huh? Can you go $50?
Les: 40 bucks.

Customer: Ok, $40.
Les: Go over there and she'll write you up.
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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 1:26 PM

Why would anyone want to conduct business at this store


Especially this mentally challenged example:

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Posted May 12, 2012 @ 8:47 AM

misterbfd, nice Les impersonation.

I do think they ask that question to use the answer against the customer "You paid a 1000 for this? Really? 20 dollars is my final offer!"

Right, that's another tactic they use. Make the customer feel like he overpaid for the item, like he was cheated. That further devalues the item so they can lowball them even more.

Les needs to hire a general manager that ISN'T one of the kids and make it very clear to the new manager that Seth and Ashley are to be held to the same standards of behavior as everyone else

My guess is that they'd both be gone by the end of the week.

It has become pretty clear why neither Seth nor Ashley were chosen to run the second store that they bought. In Ashley's case, I don't even think she's really interested in running a store. She's just there to be on TV. I think Seth does want to run the store, but he doesn't have the maturity.
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Posted May 12, 2012 @ 10:59 AM

Make the customer feel like he overpaid for the item, like he was cheated. That further devalues the item so they can lowball them even more.


See you're less cynical than me! I assumed this tactic was their way of signallung to the customer that they thought the customer was lying about the origanal cost.

My guess is that they'd both be gone by the end of the week.


Agreed. Thats actually why I felt bad for Rick when he was telling Les how invested in the business he was and Les was all "This is my family and my family business so understand I'll never sacrifice the kids for an employee." I mean, I have family too so I understand that sentiment but in a larger business where you have more than just your family working... you're not inspiring much loyalty with letting the kids act like asses.

It has become pretty clear why neither Seth nor Ashley were chosen to run the second store that they bought. In Ashley's case, I don't even think she's really interested in running a store. She's just there to be on TV. I think Seth does want to run the store, but he doesn't have the maturity.


My qualification on reality shows and the truth is this. I don't think Seth or Ashley had a chance in hell of running the new store and they both knew it on some level because they both were under contract to film Hardcore Pawn.

Agree on Ashley. She doesn't need the job - which I think is why some of the employees including Seth resent her, and she clearly is daddy's girl and knows her dad will eventually bend to her will. I think the idea of running the second store appeals to her solely because it would chap Seth's ass and then she'd get bored.

Seth in contrast does indeed very badly want to run the store. He's just... a total mess of immaturity. Honestly his ball-less performance on the topic of "we shouldn't buy crap" just pissed me off. He won't say "Rick you're a fucking idiot, this is a piece of shit, why do you always buy fucking pieces of shit Rick, why don't you go in the back with all your worthless shit?" because he *has to back employees* but really, I think its mostly because Seth would get his ass kicked. By Les, if not Rick, because if you want to keep good employees you don't act like a raving shit bag. Seth knows he can get away with it with *Ashley*.

And honestly, if Ashley wasn't there, Seth would have an employee that he would make his Ashley. Because Seth always needs a goat.
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Posted May 13, 2012 @ 9:35 AM

See you're less cynical than me!

Ah, that comment really stuck in your craw, didn't it? :)

It never struck me that they were basically accusing the customer of lying, interesting take.
Well, actually in cases where I did think the customer was lying I thought that.
But otherwise I thought they were just trying to make the customer feel stupid for getting ripped off (so they would think their item wasn't worth that much).

My qualification on reality shows and the truth is this. I don't think Seth or Ashley had a chance in hell of running the new store and they both knew it on some level because they both were under contract to film Hardcore Pawn.

My expectation was that if Ashley took over the second store, we would start seeing footage from both stores. Kind of like American Chopper now, but without the huge divide.

And honestly, if Ashley wasn't there, Seth would have an employee that he would make his Ashley. Because Seth always needs a goat.

Unfortunately, that is quite probably true.
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Posted May 13, 2012 @ 11:40 AM

Because Seth always needs a goat.

All he has to do is look in a mirror.

I call fakety-fake-fake on the whole shebang. The only thing more repulsive than the customers are the Golds.
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Posted May 13, 2012 @ 12:28 PM

Oh I think a great deal of the interactions are fakety fake, but I do think Seth likes having someone to treat like trash. And you'll notice he hasn't got the balls to go after Rick in the same tone of voice and anger that he does Ashley.

I also notice that Ashley seems to be the only female seller/item expert. The other females seem to be strictly cashiers. And no one on senior staff, Rick, the couple of older men who seem to have been there a while, ever really join in on Seth's campaign to bitch about Ashley. Some of the younger ones do.


I've said it before, Ashley is no rose - her unpleasant tendency to whine to daddy is childish, but she has a point about Seth. He's immature and he can't stop himself from reacting like a little boy when it comes to Ashley. Whether she should have turned down the roulette wheel or not (the store sells on ebay and I looked and this sort of vintage toy does sell between 40-60 bucks so it wasn't like she bought a homemade stripper pole) Seth knows to not disrespect the employee by overriding them publically. We know he knows by the show's previous scene with Seth saying he had to back Rick. Seth knows that Les will smack his bitch ass down if *Rick* came to him with "I made a deal and Seth told the customer the item was a piece of shit, and that I was a piece of shit and then chased the customer to the sales desk running me down the entire time". But its Ashley so Seth gets away with it.

I'm geniunely curious how Ashley and Seth's mother feels about the kids and how they react to each other.

Forn - Yeah, I think the Golds assume automatically that people are lying about what they paid because frankly, it is somewhat natural instint to exaggerate when you're selling something.

I just couldnt see trutv springing for two camera crews.
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Posted May 20, 2012 @ 1:20 PM

To be honest, none of the family interaction is interesting to me at all, since they're all completely unlikeable and I have no one at all to root for.

I've just seen a few episodes, and this is my take too. I can only take the Golds in small doses, and find Ashley the worst of them.
It seems to me too, that she's not very smart. When the doctor brought in that medical quackery box, she just looked as though she had no idea of what it was.
And when she broke in on Rick and his customer, who didn't have any money to pay, she just didn't get it.
No redeeming social value here, and the customers aren't much better.
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Posted May 24, 2012 @ 7:32 AM

That guy with the X carved in his head was probably the creepiest guy I've seen on this show.
It's a good thing Les was standing there with Seth, and found the whole thing slightly humorous.
I have a feeling Seth would have long since hit the security buzzer, he looked very freaked out.
The ironic thing is he was actually one of the better behaved customers.

I noticed the episode description on my DVR called this season five, episode 22. My immediate response was "This is the fifth season already?!". A trip to wikipedia confirmed the show has only been on for a few years. According to that page, no season has been longer than 13 episodes, and season five ended in February. I guess they consider this the second half of season five (according to my DVR).

That guy with the X carved in his head was probably the creepiest guy I've seen on this show.
It's a good thing Les was standing there with Seth, and found the whole thing slightly humorous.
I have a feeling Seth would have long since hit the security buzzer, he looked very freaked out.
The ironic thing is he was actually one of the better behaved customers.

I noticed the episode description on my DVR called this season five, episode 22. My immediate response was "This is the fifth season already?!". A trip to wikipedia confirmed the show has only been on for a few years. According to that page, no season has been longer than 13 episodes, and season five ended in February. I guess they consider this the second half of season five (according to my DVR).
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Posted May 30, 2012 @ 1:20 AM

"We found Lindsay Lohan. She's here messing up our trees. Can somebody please give her a damn acting job? Please?"

You, Usually Silent Bouncer Guy, rock.

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Posted May 30, 2012 @ 8:47 AM

I agree about having no one to root for. Seth is a slimeball with no people skills and looks like a lizard with his creepy grin, Ashley is a bloated troll who needs to go find a bridge to creep somewhere, and Les tries to be a good person but he just stoops to his ignorant customers levels far too often. I think I like Rich or the bouncers "best"
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Posted Jun 9, 2012 @ 2:58 PM

So I finally caught the episode where Seth's internet sales guy fucks up. Here's what drives me wild about Les. The employee fucked up... but the manager in charge of the employee - Seth - isn't accountable in the slightest. Seth didn't catch the error in pricing and didn't want to follow Les's orders in firing the employee... but also didn't want to take a genuine stand against his dad so he whined and waffled. I know exactly why that employee quit - and no, Les, I don't think it was because he didn't give a shit about the job. He realized that Seth was a douche who was going to blame him for the sale and eventually Les was going to tire of Seth wishywashing and fire him. He knew Les wanted him fired, so he probably went job hunting. Les is expecting way too much loyalty from employees when he makes it clear he wants someone fired and then gets mad when they quit.

And Seth needs to grow a set.
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Posted Jun 13, 2012 @ 6:06 PM

First am I being anti-Semitic, to think this show is anti-Semitic? I just keep seeing stereotypes...

And so there is an entire industry that is preying on people buying and pawning jewelery that we know can not be afforded, and then pawning it over and over ... what is that.

So, Les took a guys word for it that they sold him a ring for 1000, when in reality it was only sold for 500. So Les either can't tell that the difference between a $500 and a $1000 ring, or he can and actually believed his store sold a ring worth 500 for 1000, which in itself seems like a rip-off.

And that stupid painting that they didn't change the price from 300 to 4000 and they wanted somebody fired over it, Really they don't know how to use E-Bay.

Pawn Stars may be boring, say it one more time "What can you tell me about it?" But this show is filled with the worst of society. From Owner, family, clients they all need to go.

But I will tell you, people showing up with old printers and monitors demanding $30, and saying they ain't leaving without $30 is pretty funny.
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Posted Jun 13, 2012 @ 7:58 PM

So, Les took a guys word for it that they sold him a ring for 1000, when in reality it was only sold for 500. So Les either can't tell that the difference between a $500 and a $1000 ring, or he can and actually believed his store sold a ring worth 500 for 1000, which in itself seems like a rip-off.


Well, here's the thing. I'm pretty sure that the item's actual value never gets in the way of selling it for more than it's worth. I can totally see an item going out the door for an inflated amount.

And that stupid painting that they didn't change the price from 300 to 4000 and they wanted somebody fired over it, Really they don't know how to use E-Bay.


Made worse that Seth never followed up with his employee after catching the error to see if there was a problem, but the ONLY person Les held responsible was John the employee, and Seth openly dissrespected his boss's orders to fire the employee, to where the employee quit because they knew Les was going to get his way and Les certainly wasn't going to consider the possibility that Seth might have fucked up.

And speaking of fuck up, last night's new episode completely clarified why Les is a shit manager. He fucks up with the ring, and Ashley calls him out and its all no biggie despite his losing 500 dollars. He fucks up on the stupid car die and Rick points it out and Rick is hauled to the office and gets his ass handed to him complete with a threat to fire.
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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 5:23 AM

He fucks up on the stupid car die and Rick points it out and Rick is hauled to the office and gets his ass handed to him complete with a threat to fire.

Right, that irked me. Les pays too much for half of a die and somehow it's Rick's fault? And then yells about him and badmouths him on TV? What a crock.

Another thing that disturbed me was the guy who had bought the glasses that were $500. Seth admits they were priced that way because they were damaged and complains because it didn't say "as is" on the receipt. Why are they selling bent frames that keep popping the screw out? Yet they are upset because they didn't get to stick the customer with them. Again, what a crock.

Then there was that part where some random customer says something like "Come to American Jewelry and Loan for the best deals". I'm thinking where are these all these great deals for the customer, because we're sure not seeing them on TV. Great deals for the Golds is all I'm seeing.
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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 8:28 AM

Right, that irked me. Les pays too much for half of a die and somehow it's Rick's fault? And then yells about him and badmouths him on TV? What a crock.


Exactly. What pissed me off was that yeah, Rick was being a douche but the standard rule that everyone seems to follow is that is person x makes customer y an offer, everyone has to back that play, so how is Rick supposed to know this is an occasion where he isn't supposed to be quiet? And while Seth and Ashley can say "You *fucked up* Dad! FUCKED UP! You lost money!" and not get "Kids, trot your bitch mouths out to the employment line". But when its one of the hired hands that his wife didn't birth, Les somehow finds his balls and gives an ass chewing.

Let me explain what Rick and every other employee there learned from that. Don't tell Les he's making a mistake, if you do, he'll fire you.
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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 10:44 AM

I don't agree. I think When Rick saw Les talking to the guy about the 'half car cast' he should have pulled Les aside and told him that it was only half a cast and that he offered the same guy $40 the week before. Rick There was no reason for Rick to not interject in that case.
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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 11:04 AM

Livinggreen in a perfect world I agree, and Rick could have made more of an effort to stop Les. But at the same time, all Les is teaching Rick to do here is shut his mouth when Les makes mistakes because Les might appreciate it, or Les might fire him. Now Rick has a very good reason to *never* interject in Les's sales, during or after.
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Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 10:13 PM

And Les seems to buy a lot of shit just because it tickles his fancy, so how is Rick to know that Les isn't buying it as a paperweight for his desk or something? Why didn't Les bother checking for info online like they seem to do all the time?
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