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[kavan30013]

if another network picked it up, it's unlikely it will go forward, because Joel Kinnamen's career appears to be taking off and I can't imagine he would want to stick around for another dreary season.

Joel Kinnamen clearly wants/wanted to do another series

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/joel-kinnaman-weighs-killing-season-3-reboot-itself-230617898.html

[Irlandesa]

I am so sick of part of nearly every cancelled show story mentioning that they are shopping it to a new network. There is not a chance in hell this show sees the light of day on another network.

It's unlikely but it's not unusual for for studios to try. It's cheaper than creating a new product to try and sell. But it has happened. Scrubs moved from NBC to ABC. JAG moved from NBC to CBS. Damages moved from F/X to DirectTV. (So did Friday Night Lights but I don't think NBC officially canceled the show but rather shared the cost with DirectTV.) And just this last season, Cougar Town got picked up by TBS after ABC canceled it.

if another network picked it up, it's unlikely it will go forward, because Joel Kinnamen's career appears to be taking off and I can't imagine he would want to stick around for another dreary season.

The studio likely has him contracted for a certain number of years. I believe the standard contract for a new show is five seasons. So if they sell the series, he will be along for the ride even if he wanted to do something else. The only way he wouldn't be is if they tried to renegotiate the terms of his contract (less pay) or he decided to just hold out.

[biakbiak]

It's unlikely but it's not unusual for for studios to try. It's cheaper than creating a new product to try and sell. But it has happened. Scrubs moved from NBC to ABC. JAG moved from NBC to CBS. Damages moved from F/X to DirectTV. (So did Friday Night Lights but I don't think NBC officially canceled the show but rather shared the cost with DirectTV.) And just this last season, Cougar Town got picked up by TBS after ABC canceled it.

I am very well aware that it has happened before. Though with the case of Scrubs and Cougar Town that was more because those shows were produced by Disney and ABC Studios, if no other network had picked up Cougar Town when they were shopping it (before ABC actually cancelled it), Bill Lawrence has stated that ABC probably would have picked them up again in hopes of letting them get to syndication numbers because it made sense for the company. DirectTv was brought in to help share the costs of both FNL, Damages when they were still on network, etc.

My point is that there were reasons that those shows got picked up but there is not a chance in hell that The Killing is going to get picked up. It lost half of it's audience from the first season, Veena Sud is no John Wells so it won't be picked up because the network wants to be in business with her as was the deal with Southland, and it has absolutely no buzz or outcry which is another reason Southland got picked up because there was so much press about how much it was shafted because of NBC's stupid Jay Leno 10 pm experiment. Fox produces the show but it's not a good fit for their channels. So yes, it sometimes happens but nowadays they literally put it before nearly every show that get cancelled, even when everyone involves no there isn't a chance in hell of it happening, and that was my point.

Edited by biakbiak, Jul 29, 2012 @ 3:18 PM.

[stillshimpy]

My point is that there were reasons that those shows got picked up but there is not a chance in hell that The Killing is going to get picked up.

I agree that it is pretty unlikely, but Damages numbers were much worse when Direct TV stepped in and they'd also been sliding like mad. That had to with the writer's strike taking the show from being a summer show and pitting it against the regular season lineups. However, there was a point where Damages was down to 600k viewers and Direct TV still renewed it, so it isn't impossible, just not very likely (after all, Damages continued to live partially because it had a great first season but mostly because it has Glenn Close).

The other thing that would be possible is Netflix. Apparently they considered picking up Terra Nova at one point, but took a pass because it was such an incredibly expensive show to shoot (and it was a ratings dog too).

Just saying that whereas it isn't likely, it is possible and whereas DirectTV is apparently no longer in the business of trying to save shows (that was something discussed when Terra Nova bit it, that DirectTV isn't interested in acquiring new shows at this point), Netflix wants to score some original content. The Killing should be relatively inexpensive to shoot. Almost no special effects, a cast that is respected, but doesn't have a headlining name. It's possible, just not likely.

Either way, the cast is talented and I hope if this doesn't work out, they all land steady gigs soon. Same thing for the crew. I do think there's a possibility that Netflix, which is desperately trying to save itself and has lost a lot of it's streaming content, is the place that is being eyeballed. For one thing, the first season is already on there, it might be a natural.

I don't mind one way or the other. I think The Killing had its shot and didn't quite make it, so it's no tragedy for me if it ends now. However, I do think that Netflix might be possible and it would help with one aspect of the show: AMC rather famously doesn't interfere with its shows. If Netflix launches a maiden voyage on original content with The Killing, they seem more likely to hold the reins tightly which might clear up some of the Sud problems just by adding another voice to the mix.

[Bunny LaJoya]

I'm actually really sad about this show being cancelled.

Edited by Bunny LaJoya, Jul 30, 2012 @ 11:46 AM.

[NMdum1]

Cancellation huh? I'm sorry to say, but that sooo doesn't bother me at all. I'm at the bloody-mindedly forcing myself to watch to get to the end of the year in the vague hope that they tell me WHO THE HELL KILLED ROSIE!!! To my mind, they brought it on themselves for their bizarre refusal to wrap up the Larsen case within a sensible length of time without alienating the audience who tuned with initially with such hope wasting the talents of all involved so disgracefully. Not to mention wasting a cameo by the magnificence that is Sofie Gråbøl.

Veena Sud - you are a HACK with bells on!

Edited by NMdum1, Jul 31, 2012 @ 2:16 PM.

[Inquisitionist]

in the vague hope that they tell me WHO THE HELL KILLED ROSIE!!!

I don't think it's a spoiler to say that they will tell you, but you're unlikely to find "the answer" satisfying.

[glorygirl84]

I am very sad the show was cancelled. I knew it was comming and was ready for it but it still made me sad. I have not invested in a show so much since early SPN. I know the show had alot of problems and lost alot of vewiers after the season 1 finale which I did not like and I still think not ending Rosie Larson in S1 and moving to a new case in S2 and the Holder twist, cost the show it vewiers and to have AMC pull it and that is unforatante. I loved the Linden/Holder dynamic so much and could have followed those 2 characters and their relationship to another couple seasons.

Mostly I am sad, becuase I am just really going to miss Holder. JK did something so special with that character and made him so insanly awesome and likeable. Their is just not another character like him for me and he was always the best thing about the show. I will miss Holder/JK(on my tv weekly) alot.

Edited by glorygirl84, Aug 2, 2012 @ 9:38 AM.

[caseylane]

To my mind, they brought it on themselves for their bizarre refusal to wrap up the Larsen case within a sensible length of time without alienating the audience who tuned with initially with such hope wasting the talents of all involved so disgracefully.

Yep, this. I left after the ending of Season 1 because I was so upset. I would keep coming here to see if they'd finally solved the mystery and what they were working on now, but nothing changed. Can't say I'm not feeling a little vindicated by it's cancellation.

[shapeshifter]

Mostly I am sad, becuase I am just really going to miss Holder. JK did something so special with that character and made him so insanly awesome and likeable. Their is just not another character like him for me and he was always the best thing about the show. I will miss Holder/JK(on my tv weekly) alot.

See, for me, that's the best thing about the cancelation. This actor with so much potential will go on to do much more than another season of TK. I saw him on Jimmy Kimmel Live last night, and he was amazing just telling funny stories. His movie is opening now too.

[BBDi]

I think part of the problem with the way they chose to extend the original case over 2 seasons is that it didn't really make a good case for how the show might successfully proceed if it extended to additional seasons.

I mean, Veronica Mars had to come up with a new template after the first season when the initial mystery of who killed Lily was resolved, and they definitely played with whether they needed to have smaller sub-arcs in addition to a larger one in subsequent seasons. They never did really find a formula that worked as well as the original season, and these were much more skilled storywriters and scriptwriters compared with those involved with The Killing (in my opinion).

But props to all the talented actors on The Killing who did so much with what they were given.

[rookie]

Even though I'm sad this show is over, I'm really happy for the opportunities it will give Mireille Enos and Joel Kinnaman and I'm satisfied in knowing I will see these two again.

I'm also satisfied in the show's ending and feel like I got enough closure. Not every show needs to last more than a few seasons, in fact a lot of shows could benefit from ending after 2 or 3. While there was definitely still life left in the Killing, I enjoyed the experience of watching it and discussing it with all of you!

[indeed]

Various articles about The Killing possibly not being quite dead yet...

The Killing: Season Three Being Shopped

‘The Killing’ Eyes Potential New Homes

Us "Killing" Lives? Danish "Killing" Returns

'The Killing' to return on Netflix or DirecTV?

'The Killing' May Return From the Dead for a Third Season at Netflix or DirecTV

Exclusive: The Killing Lives? Netflix and DirecTV Each Eye Revival of Axed AMC Drama

[Omnomnomicon]

Various articles about The Killing possibly not being quite dead yet...

I notice a lot of the articles quote Joel Kinnaman from prior to the cancellation:

“We’ve invested a lot in these characters and want to see how they continue their journey… I feel like Linden and Holder [are] just [getting] started.”

...which gives the false impression that he's still on board. (Although to be fair, some of the articles do note that it's not a current quote.)

Also one article says:

According to TVLine, meetings are still ongoing and people close to the show “feel hopeful” that something can be worked out. Other prospective buyers, including Amazon, have yet to have their discussions with Fox. The article notes that having Mireille Enos and Joel Kinnaman on-board is a big asset since both actors have become much better known since they signed on for the pilot.

Bolding is mine. This is also odd because the linked TVLine article in that graph (presumably "The article" referred to) doesn't say ANYTHING about either actor.

Anyone know if either of them are actually on board?

[dubbel zout]

Anyone know if either of them are actually on board?

It probably depends on how their contracts are worded. There has to be a time limit for shopping around the series; the actors can't be held hostage forever.

[biakbiak]

It wouldn't surprise me if there holding deals were up in September/October about when they would have started shooting a new season, so this last bit of "rumors" with no one going on record is one last attempt to see if there is any last bit of interest before they lose the only valuable comidty of the show, Joel Kinnaman and Mireille Enos under contract.

Edited by biakbiak, Aug 28, 2012 @ 2:39 PM.

[Inquisitionist]

Billy Campbell has finished filming Killing Lincoln, in which he plays the title role (Lincoln, not the Killing). It's supposed to air on the National Geographic Channel (which I didn't even know existed) next year.

[SamX]

National Geographic Channel (which I didn't even know existed)

It is one of the oddest channels on TV IMO. We got it randomly for awhile as a space filler when they were first starting the digital conversion and moving HD stations around the dial before it became mandatory.

[CurefortheItch]

Would love to see this come back, if only for the Holder/Linden dynamic. They could be the new Mulder and Scully!

[rookie]

Just finished reading the book Easy Money and watched the film starring Joel Kinnaman. It really made me appreciate his role on The Killing and how he literally transformed himself to play Holder. Even just the way Holder moves and reacts to things, the way he displays his emotions, totally different than Joel's role in this movie- this guy has a big future ahead of him. Book/movie both highly recommend.

[glorygirl84]

I so hope their is a way to keep the show going but only with JK and ME onboard. I would not watch The Killing without Holder/Linden. I so miss them and the show. I reliezed how much I loved and invested in this show when it was over and miss it terribly esp Holder/JK.

Anyone know when S2 is comming out on DVD?

[prop joe]

In the meantime, original [and about 300 times better] series, Forbrydelsen, comes back on September 30th with 3rd season. Can't wait!

[kieyra]

Several articles today that S3 might be in the works?

'The Killing' near deal for surprise third season

But it’s looking like the crime drama might get back on the air thanks to a new agreement between producers Fox Television Studios, AMC and Netflix.
The second season solved the show’s central mystery of who killed Rosie Larson. According to Deadline, showrunner Veena Sud is still attached and pitched a third season premise that was well received. Stars Mireille Enos and Joel Kinnaman are still on board too. If a deal is struck, The Killing would first window on AMC and then move over to the streaming service. AMC declined comment.

AMC And Netflix Near Deal To Resurrect ‘The Killing’

EXCLUSIVE: It looks like The Killing will be coming back for a third season after all. Two and a half months after AMC opted not to renew the mystery drama for a third season, I hear the cable network is close to a deal to bring the show back, this time in tandem with streaming giant Netflix. I hear AMC would get first window.

[biakbiak]

Meille Enos and Joel Kinnamen need better agents if they are still contractually obligated because of their original deal because that is a ridiculously long time for an actor to still be tied to a show that has been cut loose.

Edited by biakbiak, Nov 8, 2012 @ 8:29 PM.

[Omnomnomicon]

I thought Joel Kinnamon was already busy having an actual career?

[dubbel zout]

I'm already hate-watching Covert Affairs; I don't think I have the energy to add another show to the list.

[stillshimpy]

Hey well, good for them! Netflix desperately needs something to help with their non-stop parade of setbacks from their library being diminished to Reed Hastings complete inability to not be an arrogant ass when it counted most.

So who knows, maybe it would work out. Plus, Linden and Holder were the best things about the show so maybe there is a way to make it work without the problem of freaking Rosie Larsen, her overly complicated family and trying to spin out the narrative over two full seasons.

I bet the Walking Dead being the top rated drama on TV helped Netflix to renew their interest. After all, it gives any AMC project a little bit more credibility and Netflix is going to know for sure how much play The Killing gets on their streaming service.

Might be a marriage made in heaven, because Netflix really screwed up over the last couple of years and Veena Sud certainly got covered in some TV critics disdain too. Here's hoping they got to keep their casting director, that the tedious political story is dead and that either the network or Netflix decides to stick an oar in with Sud (or that she has a better executive producer assigned to work with her).

I have no idea if I'd watch, but hey, I'm sure it's good news to the cast and crew. Maybe the third time is the charm.

[glorygirl84]

I am so excited about this, I cannot even say. I have really missed this show. Plus I think if they could bring it back and air it with The Walking Dead as a lead, it could help the show.

I think S2 was truely an excellent season and I loved the dynamic between Holder/Linden and just miss JK/Holder on my screen every week. I think a fresh direction and getting rid of the poltical/Rosie Larson stuff and moving Holder and Linden on to a new case and exploring their characters and focasing on them and their relationship would benifit the show.

I am thrilled. I loved this show faults and all and will watch it in whatever way they bring it back as long as ME and JK both return I am in.

I cannot wait for S2 on dvd and am still trying to find a relese date on it.

[djsunyc]

Big credit to AMC. They have a bunch of very good actors and they decided to give it a bit more time. Too many shows get cancelled before they can really get cooking...this one still has a bunch of potential. And I'm a big fan of a season-long drawn out single case.

[rookie]

This is EXCELLENT NEWS!!!!

Thank you netflix! I hate you and just canceled my membership but for this you are forgiven!

I sure am hoping this isn't one rumor that spread throughout the web, but for now I will just be happy this show is coming back.