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Posted Jun 22, 2010 @ 2:09 AM

Shows how much we all care for this season that I forgot all about starting the thread, and nobody bothered to either remind me or start it themselves.

There's a surprising amount to like in this season upon rewatch. Shame almost none of it is in the casting.

I've come to one conclusion during this rewatch: The more likely the chance a trip to the location being offered on an Australian game show is, the less enjoyable the season is. (See also: Vanuatu, Thailand, Samoa.)

Edit: Yep, I forgot the pithy title, the season is so bad. TWoP Pembleton, any chance it could get changed to 10-Year Rewatch: Fiji: Volcanic Cannibal Pirates?

Edited by raceguy120390, Jun 22, 2010 @ 2:15 AM.

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Posted Jun 22, 2010 @ 3:24 AM

The first five episodes of this season? Dull as dishwater. From the uneven advantages of Couch Camp (Moto) vs. the disadvantages of Ouch Camp (Ravu), the acts of Ravu voting people out based on one challenge rather than on alliances, Sylvia being screwed practically from the get-go, and all things relating to Rocky, these were just some horrible pre-merge episodes. About the only things interesting were Moto, despite winning an Immunity Challenge, actually getting the choice of losing a member to stay at Couch Camp vs. keeping their tribe intact by switching to Ouch Camp, and I can't forget Lisi's epic faceplant.

For me, though, it picked up when the tribal swap occurred. By then, my four favorite castaways in the game -- Earl, Yau-Man, Michelle, and Cassandra -- all wound up at Couch Camp, and all of the ones I hated ended up in Ouch Camp. After that, it was fun to see NuRavu get their asses spanked by NuMoto -- especially after they got so cocky over the chance to win since their new tribe consisted entirely of guys. Shame one of their boots had to be poor Anthony, though. But at least we lost Rocky and Lisi, too.

The merge had some of my favorite episodes, though. Though it started off horribly with the twist that screwed Michelle out of the game (though in hindsight, I really think she still could've survived yet had Dreamz stuck with his and Mookie's plan to vote Stacy out instead of being stupid by voting for Michelle just because she honestly said she hadn't gotten the chance to really get to know him yet), it picked up the following week. Cassandra's out-of-the-blue, but pleasantly-surprising Reward Challenge win set the groundwork for the formation of the Syndicate, which already included Earl, Cassandra, and Yau-Man and quickly recruited Boo and Stacy, and their group, at the suggestion of Stacy, of all people, blindsided the arrogant assholes that were the Four Horsemen by getting rid of Edgardo instead of Alex or Mookie! From there, it was enjoyable watching their group get Pagonged out of the game.

Toward the endgame, we had our first-ever idol-inflicted booting when Stacy talked a bit too much and alerted Yau-Man to play his idol and send her packing on the bounce-back. Boo followed when his immunity streak became too threatening. And Yau-Man followed after Dreamz backed out of the infamous deal with the truck. It left us with a pretty decent F3 of Earl, Cassandra, and Dreamz, as two out of three of them (the first two) had actually played good games. In the end, one of the most bitter juries in the history of the show (I remember hating Alex and Lisi's jury questioning performances the most) pretty much ensured that Dreamz and Cassandra wouldn't win, and Earl ran away with the victory by a 9-0-0 vote.

A season that started off very slowly, but picked up from the midpoint and on and gave us a feel-good winner. All in all, I'd give this season a B-minus, at least.

Edited by Hope Estheim, Jun 22, 2010 @ 11:12 AM.

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Posted Jun 22, 2010 @ 7:28 AM

I agree, the first few episodes were way bad. But it really did get the chance to redeem itself towards midseason, and overall gave me some of my favorite contestants ever with Yau-Man, Earl, and Michelle, as well as several of my least favorites ever (all of which got their comeuppance). Earl's win was obvious, and all the majestic sweeping shots of him standing atop a cliff were a bit of a clue.

As for the challenges, I'd say they were slightly above par. They introduced a dance competition that Earl helped win, along with many challenges that were balanced in general. They also reintroduced the "ranking your fellow castaways" that I'm surprised they don't do more often; that challenge is way more drama-inducing than, say, bowling. In general, I found the challenges pretty balanced. There were a few mental challenges, a few endurance ones, a few agility ones, and some standard Survivor ones like gross food or archery.

This season also introduced the slip-n-slide, where Sylvia spectacularly failed. Lisi fell (during a mental challenge!), and Michelle fell off a platform despite not even being blindfolded. Stacy got whacked by a giant slab of meat, and Boo repeatedly injured himself only for the hammock he was in to later collapse. As far as physical comedy goes, this season was the best.
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Posted Jun 22, 2010 @ 9:08 AM

If Survivor ever has a 20 person "All-Star Season" entitled Survivor: A-holes vs. MoFos, up to a quarter of the contestants, if not more, could come from Fiji alone. That's saying something.
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Posted Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:40 AM

I think one of the reasons I hated this season so much was because of the predictable booting of 5 female ladies in a row. Aside from not knowing jack about Liliana & her diabolical Mexican mind, I liked every single one of them. But ultimately, they never stood a chance with fucking Rocky & Mookie on their tribe.

But oh boy, the Edgardo boot episode was one of the best this show has had.

ETA the infamous Lisi quote.

Edited by FlippinChipmunk, Jun 23, 2010 @ 12:41 AM.

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Posted Jun 26, 2010 @ 11:28 AM

I have to say it: Yau Man kinda deserved to lose, making a deal with somebody as flaky as Dreamz. He didn't know what he'd be doing five minutes from now, let alone two days. He wasn't evil; I kinda hope he took a sledgehammer to Lisi. But for all of Yauda's moves, the immunity deal was the costiest one.

The season wasn't so bad. At least we got two bonafide all-stars in Yau-Man and Earl.
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Posted Jun 26, 2010 @ 5:54 PM

That's the thing. I never understood the need for Yau to make the deal. Like my first instinct [therefore colour me evil and heinous] would be if I have to keep my word and take Yau at four, I'm damn-sure going to make it so I get Yau out at five. Like, that's elementary Survivor math right there. I think it gets "insidious" because the truck is attached to the deal as well as Dreamz going on and on, he wants to be a great role model for his kid.

I also wanted to know what Burnett and crew were thinking by giving a tribe everything and the other one nothing and expecting something other than what happened [which was pretty much an utter Pagonging].

However whatever crap we had to deal with, was all made up by the utter brilliance of the Edguardo bootoff.
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Posted Jun 26, 2010 @ 6:04 PM

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That's the thing. I never understood the need for Yau to make the deal. Like my first instinct [therefore colour me evil and heinous] would be if I have to keep my word and take Yau at four, I'm damn-sure going to make it so I get Yau out at five.

In the midst of all his stupidity, that was one of the few smart things Dreamz realized himself. Why worry about honoring the deal at F4 when he could take him out sooner? It actually did almost work, but Stacy couldn't shut her yap at the F6 Tribal Council. Hell, even before it.
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Posted Jun 27, 2010 @ 8:35 AM

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In the midst of all his stupidity, that was one of the few smart things Dreamz realized himself. Why worry about honoring the deal at F4 when he could take him out sooner? It actually did almost work, but Stacy couldn't shut her yap at the F6 Tribal Council. Hell, even before it.


Exactly. [Stupid Stacey]. I think the reason then becomes why production and Jeff make it out to be "the most controversial decision ever" is because Dreamz kept the truck and didn't honour the "deal" and "screwed Poor Yau." [I never remembered if Jeff actually asked Yau what the hell he was thinking].

It really likens back to Guatemala when Cindy had to choose between a car for her or a car for Lydia, Rafe, Danni, and Stephannie, and Cindy chose for herself, and Rafe and Steph were like what? Who does that? If she given us the car she would have been safe. And I'm thinking what.ever. If Cindy had given you all the car, and had lost immunity, you would have dumped her out on her zookeeping behind.

I, however miss Car-shenanigans and wish that Survivor could find some way to get a sponsership back and make it work. [As this was the last season to feature a Car, and keep the Car Jinx alive and immortal. Win a car, lose Survivor].
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Posted Jun 27, 2010 @ 5:20 PM

It really likens back to Guatemala when Cindy had to choose between a car for her or a car for Lydia, Rafe, Danni, and Stephannie, and Cindy chose for herself, and Rafe and Steph were like what? Who does that? If she given us the car she would have been safe. And I'm thinking what.ever. If Cindy had given you all the car, and had lost immunity, you would have dumped her out on her zookeeping behind.


It was actually more Rafe & Danni. But I get your point.

Frankly, I didn't feel bad for Yau Man, though I wasn't ever a big fan of him anyway. He should have know that was a possibility & the way production paints him as this big victim is pretty ridiculous.
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Posted Jun 27, 2010 @ 9:11 PM

That's the thing. I never understood the need for Yau to make the deal. Like my first instinct [therefore colour me evil and heinous] would be if I have to keep my word and take Yau at four, I'm damn-sure going to make it so I get Yau out at five. Like, that's elementary Survivor math right there. I think it gets "insidious" because the truck is attached to the deal as well as Dreamz going on and on, he wants to be a great role model for his kid.

The way I saw it, Yau-Man happened to win a truck. He also didn't need a truck whatsoever, and knew that "Dreamz" talked about wanting a truck badly. The biggest consequence of the deal was that it made Yau a bigger target at F6 and F5, which he evaded booting by using his HII and then winning Immunity.

If Yau-Man didn't make the deal and kept the truck, he would be just as screwed if he managed to make it to F4 and didn't win Immunity. He made a huge gamble but even the slightest possibility of "Dreamz" keeping his word would have paid off handsomely. He would have made it to F3 against Earl and Cassandra and had a great shot at winning. He reached the point where he had a slim chance of "Dreamz" honoring the deal being better than nothing. He still gave it his all during that final challenge and would have lost anyways, so I thought it was a reasonable long-term gamble that didn't pay off.
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Posted Jul 12, 2010 @ 11:06 AM

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I think one of the reasons I hated this season so much was because of the predictable booting of 5 ladies in a row. Aside from not knowing jack about Liliana & her diabolical Mexican mind, I liked every single one of them. But ultimately, they never stood a chance with fucking Rocky & Mookie on their tribe.

Yeah, Fiji, like Gabon and, to a lesser extent, Exile Island, was a bad season to be a woman in, largely due to Rocky and Mookie, and also due to Alex and Edgardo later on. They were just seen as too convenient targets to have a chance. You know it was bad for them when only four of them made it to the tribal swap, three of them made it to the merge, and only one of them made it to the F5.
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Posted Jul 12, 2010 @ 2:51 PM

This was a very uncomfortable season to watch, full of meanness. I think the Have/HaveNot setup really set the stage for defensiveness and cruelty among the contestants. It seemed a little better after the merge, except for Stacy, who was always nasty if she was in a position of power. But then at FTC, the meanness returned, and weirdly. People were upset for no reason, particularly that waste of space, Lisi. None of those people had done anything to her, and if they had she would have deserved it.

I liked Earl and thought he was a worthy winner, and Dreamz was fascinating to watch (you don't often see someone completely flying by the seat of his pants on this show), and of course Yao Man rocked. The rest of them, with the possible exception of Anthony, can just go away. And thankfully, they have.
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Posted Jul 12, 2010 @ 7:03 PM

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I liked Earl and thought he was a worthy winner, and Dreamz was fascinating to watch (you don't often see someone completely flying by the seat of his pants on this show), and of course Yao Man rocked. The rest of them, with the possible exception of Anthony, can just go away. And thankfully, they have.

I thought Michelle and Cassandra were also very nice, so I wouldn't mind seeing them again. And Sylvia was nice for a pre-swap/pre-merge boot.
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Posted Jul 12, 2010 @ 9:28 PM

It seemed a little better after the merge, except for Stacy, who was always nasty if she was in a position of power. But then at FTC, the meanness returned, and weirdly.

I always felt Stacy behaved better after the "Coconut Chop" Reward Challenge where she got slammed hard. She took it well during the challenge, but afterwards had a small breakdown. She eventually gravitated towards Yau-Man/Earl because they were nicer people, and away from Alex/Edgardo, who were acting coldly and selfishly. She eventually patched things up with Cassandra, as they toasted being the final two women. She took her exit gracefully (mostly because she put her foot into her mouth and tipped off Yau-Man) and was really nice during FTC, where she asked Earl whether or not she should give her vote based on need.

Alex and Lisi were predictably horrible at FTC, while Mookie and Rocky were predictably obnoxious. Edgardo was clearly seething but his question was mercifully brief. Michelle and Yau-Man were predictably nice. Boo surprisingly lashed out at "Dreamz" because of Christian values, since swearing to God was something "Dreamz" did a lot of during the game.

Also, Rocky was the first guy to be booted instead of a potential girl, and he made the jury, so that definitely was not a good season for women, and it really had little to do with the challenges.
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Posted Jul 12, 2010 @ 10:07 PM

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so that definitely was not a good season for women, and it really had little to do with the challenges.

Definitely not.

Jessica got booted on politics and her supposed allies, Rocky and Erica, failing to pull other people in to save her over Rita. Erica herself followed because she panicked at a challenge. (A big WTF?! for me.) Sylvia got screwed from the get-go by being the head of the pick 'em in the premiere and not getting time to bond with people at the challenge. Liliana, like Jessica, got booted by politics (and got screwed by Lisi). And Rita gets sent packing because . . . she talks a lot? When there's not much else to do around camp? Gah. Screw Rocky and Mookie.
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Posted Jul 13, 2010 @ 11:20 AM

I thought Michelle and Cassandra were also very nice, so I wouldn't mind seeing them again. And Sylvia was nice for a pre-swap/pre-merge boot.


I forgot about Michelle! She was adorable and get booted due to the twist of going to TC with none of her allies and no time to talk. And Alex having the opportunity (through Probst's questions) to tell everyone exactly whom he was voting for.
She deserves another chance at this show.

Also, Rocky was the first guy to be booted instead of a potential girl, and he made the jury


Actually, Anthony was the first guy to be booted, because Rocky informed everyone on the new testosterone-laden NuRavu that he wouldn't fit in. Mookie agreed, and the others didn't give Anthony much of a chance. I think the bullying of Anthony by Rocky, Mookie and Probst was one of the meanest things to happen on Survivor, made worse by Probst's participation.
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Posted Jul 13, 2010 @ 8:41 PM

Also, Rocky was the first guy to be booted instead of a potential girl, and he made the jury.

Actually, Anthony was the first guy to be booted, because Rocky informed everyone on the new testosterone-laden NuRavu that he wouldn't fit in. Mookie agreed, and the others didn't give Anthony much of a chance. I think the bullying of Anthony by Rocky, Mookie and Probst was one of the meanest things to happen on Survivor, made worse by Probst's participation.

I meant that Rocky was the first guy to be booted instead of a girl (Lisi). When Anthony was voted off, it was an all-male tribe at the time. I really hated that Tribal Council when Anthony got booted though, just as he was starting to come around and realize how stupid the whole thing was.
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Posted Aug 12, 2010 @ 7:27 PM

As for the challenges, I'd say they were slightly above par. They introduced a dance competition that Earl helped win, along with many challenges that were balanced in general. They also reintroduced the "ranking your fellow castaways" that I'm surprised they don't do more often; that challenge is way more drama-inducing than, say, bowling. In general, I found the challenges pretty balanced. There were a few mental challenges, a few endurance ones, a few agility ones, and some standard Survivor ones like gross food or archery.



I really loved the "ranking" challenge and that one should be a staple, it always causes a ton of drama. The dancing one was a nice change too and the one that I found intriguing was the one where they had to pick coordinates that would blow up people's names. It was interesting in the sense that in the earliest rounds, you had no way to know who you were attacking. The memory game was also fun. I liked having some of the more up-in-the-air challenges where absolutely anyone could win and the challenge monsters could be foiled.

This season also introduced the slip-n-slide, where Sylvia spectacularly failed. Lisi fell (during a mental challenge!), and Michelle fell off a platform despite not even being blindfolded. Stacy got whacked by a giant slab of meat, and Boo repeatedly injured himself only for the hammock he was in to later collapse. As far as physical comedy goes, this season was the best.


Lisi taking a dive during the memory challenge was a highlight to me since she was such an irritating dingbat, man*.

*Could she have overused the word "man" a little bit more???

The way I saw it, Yau-Man happened to win a truck. He also didn't need a truck whatsoever, and knew that "Dreamz" talked about wanting a truck badly. The biggest consequence of the deal was that it made Yau a bigger target at F6 and F5, which he evaded booting by using his HII and then winning Immunity.

If Yau-Man didn't make the deal and kept the truck, he would be just as screwed if he managed to make it to F4 and didn't win Immunity. He made a huge gamble but even the slightest possibility of "Dreamz" keeping his word would have paid off handsomely. He would have made it to F3 against Earl and Cassandra and had a great shot at winning. He reached the point where he had a slim chance of "Dreamz" honoring the deal being better than nothing. He still gave it his all during that final challenge and would have lost anyways, so I thought it was a reasonable long-term gamble that didn't pay off.


I agree. He took a shot and it didn't work, but his revenge is that he made Dreamz look like someone who shouldn't get any votes. From the way Cassandra, Earl and Dreamz had been talking, I never got the impression that Yau-Man figured into their final 3 plans.

Speaking of that, I watched the whole season at once and I may have missed some stuff so I'm curious about when Earl switched from it being him and Yau Man to it being Earl/Cassandra/Dreamz?

I think the Have/HaveNot setup really set the stage for defensiveness and cruelty among the contestants. It seemed a little better after the merge, except for Stacy, who was always nasty if she was in a position of power.


One of the yuckier moments of this season was the french press incident with Dreamz and Stacy/Lisi. They were so snotty and dismissive of Dreamz for not knowing how to operate the french press. I know that Dreamz was a little lippy, but the scene of him sitting there with a cup full of grounds while Stacy and Lisi looked down their noses and snotted out the instructions had a really gross, classist feel to it.

It really likens back to Guatemala when Cindy had to choose between a car for her or a car for Lydia, Rafe, Danni, and Stephannie, and Cindy chose for herself, and Rafe and Steph were like what? Who does that? If she given us the car she would have been safe. And I'm thinking what.ever. If Cindy had given you all the car, and had lost immunity, you would have dumped her out on her zookeeping behind.


Or Micronesia when the group promised Jason immunity if he gave them the pizza reward (where most of them had their fingers crossed behind their backs.) They fully intended to boot his ass if not for the last minute decision to blindside Ozzy, the gift he gave them meant nothing. But in Yau Man's case, I think he was just shooting for the moon, it wasn't going to be the determining factor.

Alex and Lisi were predictably horrible at FTC, while Mookie and Rocky were predictably obnoxious. Edgardo was clearly seething but his question was mercifully brief. Michelle and Yau-Man were predictably nice. Boo surprisingly lashed out at "Dreamz" because of Christian values, since swearing to God was something "Dreamz" did a lot of during the game.


I actuallly thought Rocky was okay in his question, I was expecting more obnoxiousness from him.

Alex (who I'd actually liked in earlier episodes, prior to the Horsemen thing) was such an asshole at FTC. I don't blame Cassandra for not "shutting her mouth" on his demand. I can't stand jurors who think being on the jury means they can literally order people around. I'm sure some of Cassandra and Dreamz's answers cost them but I kind of respect them for standing up for themselves.

Lisi's question to Dreamz was really patronizing and obnoxious. She seems like an idiot and for her to try to call someone else out as stupid was ridiculous.

On the whole, Yau Man made the season for me. He was entertaining, funny and very straightforward and that was refreshing. I liked his attitude and his mature response to Dreamz at the end of the game.

Did this season not do a "fan favorite" vote at the reunion? That's too bad, I bet Yau was a lock.
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Posted Aug 12, 2010 @ 7:31 PM

Speaking of that, I watched the whole season at once and I may have missed some stuff so I'm curious about when Earl switched from it being him and Yau Man to it being Earl/Cassandra/Dreamz?


Earl/Yau Man/Cassandra or Dreamz - Yau Man wins

Early/Cassandra/Dreamz - Earl won

Honestly, I was mad at Earl for slamming the dagger into Yau Man's back, but he had no other option. For all he (and we) could've known, he would've been the next to go.

BTW, I saw an episode of Reality Obsessed (a Canadian reality-based show) where past stars took lie-detector tests. Yau Man passed his about whether he was holding a grudge against Dreamz. Surprisingly, he wasn't.

Edited by Lantern7, Aug 12, 2010 @ 7:33 PM.

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Posted Aug 12, 2010 @ 7:45 PM

Earl/Yau Man/Cassandra or Dreamz - Yau Man wins

Earl/Cassandra/Dreamz - Earl won

Honestly, I was mad at Earl for slamming the dagger into Yau Man's back, but he had no other option. For all he (and we) could've known, he would've been the next to go.


See, I get where Earl was coming from because I don't think Yau really crossed anyone, but I didn't see Earl's shift happen on the show. It seemed like it was all Yau plus Earl and then suddenly, Yau seemed to know he was on the outs. But I fully admit that I was watching these shows rapidly and I may have missed some stuff due to just walking out of the room or something.

Earl stabbed Yau in the back at the final 4 vote, but the E/C/D alliance seemed to be clearly in place several votes prior to that.

BTW, I saw an episode of Reality Obsessed (a Canadian reality-based show) where past stars took lie-detector tests. Yau Man passed his about whether he was holding a grudge against Dreamz. Surprisingly, he wasn't.


That actually doesn't surprise me, Yau really didn't seem like he was holding on to that at all. IOW, I believed him, whereas I haven't believed some others, like Colby when he insists that he doesn't regret taking Tina to F2 instead of Keith. If he truly doesn't, good for him, but I always found that story hard to swallow.
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Posted Aug 12, 2010 @ 9:07 PM

See, I get where Earl was coming from because I don't think Yau really crossed anyone, but I didn't see Earl's shift happen on the show. It seemed like it was all Yau plus Earl and then suddenly, Yau seemed to know he was on the outs. But I fully admit that I was watching these shows rapidly and I may have missed some stuff due to just walking out of the room or something.

Earl stabbed Yau in the back at the final 4 vote, but the E/C/D alliance seemed to be clearly in place several votes prior to that.

It's really hard to say. When the F6 tried to blindside Yau-Man, Earl was kept out of the loop (he later tells Cassandra he would have flipped, but that might just be damage control). In F5, Earl was hesitant to give his HII to Yau-Man, either for fear of his own safety or maybe he didn't want Yau-Man to have it, but that didn't matter because Yau-Man won Immunity. When it came down to F4, the best Earl could do was force a tie against "Dreamz", but he recognized that with the deal being broken, he had an even better shot of winning against "Dreamz." Earl's interviews do say that he had also expected "Dreamz" to honor the truck deal, and was prepared to state his case against Yau in FTC by emphasizing how he had much better social connections. It was kind of a backstab on Earl's part, but it was also one of the most sensible choices in the game.
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Posted Aug 15, 2010 @ 11:15 PM

ARGH, I loved looking at Michelle! Easily the hottie of this season and an excellent player in her own rights!

Like I said, if they had consulted me for S16, the fact is even though Parvati went farther then Michelle, I would have still taken Michelle over Parvati for S16.
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Posted Sep 14, 2010 @ 12:20 PM

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Earl/Yau Man/Cassandra or Dreamz - Yau Man wins

Early/Cassandra/Dreamz - Earl won

Earl, Dreamz, and Cassandra actually had their F3 agreement since before the tribes were picked. He only worked with Yau-Man because he was away from them when he was on Ravu and they were on Moto. After they all got back together, their deal was back on. Yau-Man was their extra vote (despite the editing telling us Dreamz was). That's actually why Yau-Man got tossed out, though him being well-liked was also a factor.
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Posted Sep 14, 2010 @ 10:06 PM

Has it ever been confirmed at what point was it made clear that this would be a final 3 TC? Obviously, with S13 airing as S14 was being filmed, they should have had no way of knowing that there was going to be a final 3 TC.

Dreamz was doing the right things, if he was under the belief it was a final 2 TC. He wanted himself, Cassandra, and Stacey all in his alliance, as he knew two of them were less liked then he was. Fact is, Dreamz was doing it right if he thought it was a final 2 TC.

If he knew it was a final 3 (don't know how, unless Probst flat out announced it), he needed to take out Yau-Man/Earl as soon as possible.
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Posted Sep 15, 2010 @ 4:17 AM

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Has it ever been confirmed at what point was it made clear that this would be a final 3 TC?

Probst told them at the F4 Immunity Challenge.
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Posted Sep 15, 2010 @ 3:53 PM

I have always wondered how differently this season would have been had Mellisa McNulty not quit. How the tribes would have been divided, if the women still would have been completely screwed from the get-go, & so-on.
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Posted Sep 15, 2010 @ 11:05 PM

one thing I think they got wrong in S13 and S14, in S13 not only was it the switching up of tribes after just 2 episodes, but it was also the 2/3 format as far as sexes went. It should have been 3 men/3 women per tribe; with the two losing tribes going to TC together, with a member from each tribe getting voted out initially.
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Posted Sep 18, 2010 @ 3:06 PM

I agree with you about the F3 part, only I think Dreamz was more hated than Cassandra. He was hated by the horsemen because he betrayed them, by Lisi because she was a racist, by Yau-Man because of the truck deal and by anyone who liked Yau-Man. I would have liked to see everyone's head explode in the Cassandra/Dreamz finale though. It would have been epic.
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Posted Sep 18, 2010 @ 4:09 PM

Like I said, if Dreamz was operating on a final 2 assumption up till the final 4, then he was playing a good game. Heck, at day 36, if he was planning on getting himself/Cassandra/Stacey into the end (Stacey was not well liked either from what I hear), then Dreamz did indeed play a more solid game then he is given credit for.

When it is clearly a final 3 season (when seasons 13/14 were filmed there was no way they could see it coming) you have to get rid of people that are too high up on the jury like list as soon as possible. Having one person that is unwinnable is not good enough, as that just gives the jury more options on who to vote for.
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