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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 3:57 PM

Re the "will Alex go dark" discussion from upthread. I don't think they'll well and truly go there, but there was something about "Game Change" (which I rewatched yesterday) that really stood out to me. When Alex goes in alone to retrieve the black box, she calls Nikita and pretends to be in tears/a complete mess, even saying she got high again, to lure Nikita out of the motel room. I have to say, it was pretty chilling to see that Alex can be that cold and manipulative, cynically using her mentor's concern for her to play Nikita. I can't even see Nikita doing that kind of thing. (Okay, in a way Nikita DID do the same thing to Amanda in the latest episode, thereby getting Amanda to back out of killing her in the vault, but I found Alex doing it way more disturbing.)

If Alex has the capacity for this kind of darkness, it makes sense that she was afraid of what she'll become if she was ever in control of Zetrov.

I know, every time I recommend this show I always give a disclaimer that the first batch of episodes may not grab their attention, but to stick with it until at least midseason. I thought the early eps were fine and fun, but it didn't become a must see HOLY CRAP SO GOOD show until the midseason finale for me.


Agree with you and everyone else on this. In its early episodes, the show just about met my (modest) expectations: it was a fun, entertaining action show and not much more (although in hindsight, I guess we can see early signs of the show's depth even in those episodes). I think the first time I felt like there was potential for a lot more was "One Way"; the Nikita/Michael stuff in this episode was incredibly emotional, and it was the first time I felt real chemistry between them. Two episodes later, in "All The Way", I was completely blown away by the all-around awesome epicness. It was one of the best hours of TV I'd ever seen. I guess it was around then that I realized this show is really something special, and a cut above most shows of its genre.
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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 4:28 PM

One of the things that really hurt in the early part of season one, I think, was the Alex/Thom/Jaden stuff in Division. It played out like Assassin High School. They had a love triangle practically set up, and there were the cafeteria scenes, and the scenes where they were learning how to fight or assemble a gun or whatever were like classroom scenes. It was all pretty silly, and boy was it a good thing that they got away from that. But then, the Nikita writers have demonstrated the ability to toss what doesn't work and develop the show with what works -- not just stick what works into a formula.
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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 4:33 PM

I'd love to see Alex go dark. Lyndsy is a versatile actress and she'll perform extremely well with this :) Plus, when will the Sean/Alex thing move forward? Am I the only one who's digging for this couple? I know nikita/michael have to get most of our attention but Sean/Alex have a lot of potentials and it's a shame that they rarely have scenes :( Just let him join Nikita team and have them all work together against Percy. Then, at the end of the season split them up with Nikita/Michael on the one side and Sean/Alex on the other :D (...love dreaming, yea)
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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 8:17 PM

CW released a revised version of the episode 20 description. At first I thought they just fixed that opening tagline, which was from ep 19, but the whole thing is slightly different. Mostly the same, but I do wonder about the Michael/Sean vs Michael/Alex going after Birkhoff's money thing.

BIRKOFF IS ARRESTED BY THE FBI — Nikita (Maggie Q) convinces a reluctant Birkhoff (Aaron Stanford) to use 20 million dollars of his own money in a plan to bankrupt Percy (Xander Berkeley) and Division, but when Percy ends up stealing Birkhoff’s entire life savings, Birkhoff and Nikita clash. Team Nikita has one last chance to hit Percy again, but Birkhoff is arrested trying to regain his millions and Nikita realizes she must break him out of jail before Division gets to him. Michael (Shane West) and Alex (Lyndsy Fonseca) go after Birkhoff’s stolen money while Nikita goes to save Birkhoff. Nick Copus directed the episode which was written by Kristen Reidel (#220).


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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 10:21 PM

The second press release makes me more excited for the episode. Here's hoping we finally get some Alex/Michael scenes (I don't ship them but I love or loved their relationship in the first season), and all the better if Sean's not there.
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Posted Apr 6, 2012 @ 1:48 AM

Talking about the Nikita DVD/Blu-ray cover, I concur with you guys. I was afraid, and still am to show it to my family or friends. Seriously, I might have to choose another photo to cover over that damn cover. Nothing against you our dear MQ, we know you're gorgeous, got a killer body and all. We fans here are just getting pissed at the marketing personnel. They have no clue how to present the image of the show to the general public's eyes. That photo should have been inside the pamphlet of the DVD instead and should never used on the gigantic billboard. It was such a huge mistake to misguide the perception of the viewers in the first place and sway them away from giving the show a chance.

I'm most grateful to MQ for her effort to toning down the wardrobe department from the early episodes on. I don't watch the show for purely hotness. I don't mind a few moments like in "Covenants", which I gladly view for the most beautifully sizzling smooching ever grace on my screen. It's an amazing performance that's why.

I have to say, it was pretty chilling to see that Alex can be that cold and manipulative, cynically using her mentor's concern for her to play Nikita. I can't even see Nikita doing that kind of thing. (Okay, in a way Nikita DID do the same thing to Amanda in the latest episode, thereby getting Amanda to back out of killing her in the vault, but I found Alex doing it way more disturbing.)

In the critical situation as such, it was called for Nikita to trick Amanda otherwise she could have been dead without oxygen. On the other hand, Alex knows how much Nikita loves and cares for her already, so she uses that for her advantage just to get to the black box. Perhaps Alex didn't think straight at the time, but she's cold nevertheless. Alex chose the emotionless object over her mentor's heart.

BIRKOFF IS ARRESTED BY THE FBI — Nikita (Maggie Q) convinces a reluctant Birkhoff (Aaron Stanford) to use 20 million dollars of his own money in a plan to bankrupt Percy (Xander Berkeley) and Division, but when Percy ends up stealing Birkhoff’s entire life savings, Birkhoff and Nikita clash. Team Nikita has one last chance to hit Percy again, but Birkhoff is arrested trying to regain his millions and Nikita realizes she must break him out of jail before Division gets to him. Michael (Shane West) and Alex (Lyndsy Fonseca) go after Birkhoff’s stolen money while Nikita goes to save Birkhoff. Nick Copus directed the episode which was written by Kristen Reidel (#220).

Poor Birkhoff, his only two centric episodes so far and both times he ends up captured. At least this time his hand won't be smashed. That's a good thing but then he lost all the $$$. Blame it on Niki, Nerd.
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Posted Apr 6, 2012 @ 7:59 AM

One of the things that really hurt in the early part of season one, I think, was the Alex/Thom/Jaden stuff in Division. It played out like Assassin High School. They had a love triangle practically set up, and there were the cafeteria scenes, and the scenes where they were learning how to fight or assemble a gun or whatever were like classroom scenes

That's what struck me as lame at the time as well (not to mention Alex being able to contact Nikita undetected inside Division which just seemed so unlikely). The one time it really clicked for me was when Amanda manipulated a guy to be a cleaner, now that was a powerful and chilling storyline. But so much of the fighting between Alex and Jaden just came off as lame when the recruits were supposed to be former criminals who had been taken from places like death row, yet they came off more like rebellious kids in-fighting at a boarding school or something. And Thom made no sense to me how he even ended up there because he did did come across as hardened or ruthless at all, even though the premise of the show would suggest that they were supposed to have already been killers before they joined Division and that's why they were picked?

And I agree about the tacky promotion, I remember a lot of people feeling cynical about the trailers that heavily pushed Maggie Q in a bikini, it made Nikita seem like it would be just as shallow and cheesy as the CW's other shows and most likely put off many of the people that were looking for something slightly darker and more serious. And many of those that turned in based in the promotion probably didn't end up keeping up with it anyway if it wasn't the show they had expected based of the trailers
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Posted Apr 6, 2012 @ 6:55 PM

A new tidbit about the next new ep, from EW.

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 3:46 AM

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Edited by elliec17, Apr 7, 2012 @ 3:51 AM.

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 7:36 AM

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 8:55 AM

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 10:52 AM

I'm surprised MQ even agreed to do that photo.


That's because you don't know her in real life. There's not much that she won't do!
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 1:35 PM

tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/04/03/cw-at-least-two-of-ringer-nikita-hart-of-dixie-will-be-canceled-but-which-ones-poll/127207/

another article stating nikita will more probably be cancelled :(

Edited by elliec17, Apr 7, 2012 @ 1:37 PM.

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 3:01 PM

Someone speculated that Percy murders Madeline in "Wrath" to torture Sean/drive him off the rails, since the promo shows a car exploding near Sean (whose face is smudged with dirt). This would also fit in with the synopsis, which stated that Percy plays sadistic games with Michael, Alex and Sean. Do we know if Alberta Watson is in this episode?

But so much of the fighting between Alex and Jaden just came off as lame when the recruits were supposed to be former criminals who had been taken from places like death row, yet they came off more like rebellious kids in-fighting at a boarding school or something. And Thom made no sense to me how he even ended up there because he did did come across as hardened or ruthless at all, even though the premise of the show would suggest that they were supposed to have already been killers before they joined Division and that's why they were picked?


I agree. You'd have expected the Division setting to be much darker, considering that those kids were criminals and (maybe not all, but at least most) even killers. I hated the Alex/Jaden stuff in those early episodes, and while I liked Thom and him/Alex, I too felt like he was way too soft and sensitive to be a Division recruit. It was especially ridiculous that he'd supposedly been there for a YEAR already, because if that's how succesful Division is at molding people into cold-blooded assassins... epic fail.

I also felt like it was a missed opportunity to only show the physical training the recruits underwent, and not the mental/psychological process. I'd imagine that to create efficient, ruthless assassins, you have to teach them to be emotionally detached and essentially become killing machines, with no moral compass. A lot of people felt Division was lame and unscary in the early episodes - this could have prevented that somewhat.

That's because you don't know [MQ] in real life. There's not much that she won't do!


Heh. I know she's not shy about her body, since she did PETA ads in the nude, but the point to me isn't simply that she wore a revealing outfit in the Nikita promos. It's that *using* such gratituous images to promote the show in the first place is a very poor strategy, making an incredibly intelligent, exciting action/suspense drama look like cheesy soft porn with guns. I know actors don't have that much control over things like promo photoshoots, but isn't MQ a producer? She brought in her own stunt coordinator and stuff like that. Since I believe she'd want the show to be marketed as the mature, high quality entertainment that it is, I'm surprised she went along with this line of promotion.


tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2012/04/03/cw-at-least-two-of-ringer-nikita-hart-of- dixie-will-be-canceled-but-which-ones-poll/127207/

another article stating nikita will more probably be cancelled :(


What annoys me is that the title of article says at least 2 of the 3 shows will be cancelled, thus making it seem like all three have equal chances. In truth, Ringer is essentially dead; it was getting worse ratings than Nikita ON A WEEKDAY, and most tellingly - the CW decided to burn off all episodes before May sweeps. So it's more accurate to say that Ringer is already a goner (unless a true miracle happens), and at least one of Nikita and HoD will likely be cancelled as well. 90210, GG and TSC aren't 100% safe, but their odds are considerably better.

The only two shows guaranteed renewal are SPN and TVD. Although, I'd love it if SPN's PTB clued in to the worthless piece of crap their show has become during the past two years, and end it now rather than continue to ruin all the good things they built in the first 4 seasons... that would leave another open spot on the CW's schedule. But I know the odds are slim.

Edited by Slingblade, Apr 7, 2012 @ 3:26 PM.

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 4:33 PM

I know actors don't have that much control over things like promo photoshoots, but isn't MQ a producer?

No, she's not one of the producers of Nikita. It's really up to the marketing how they went the way with promotion. I do wonder if all the producers are acknowledged of it or they just leave it to the decision of the marketing.

Do we know if Alberta Watson is in this episode?

I believe she's in "Wrath." Albert said so. Gosh…it's really a pain to wait for the 20th! I heard it's going to be a real amazing episode as well. Out of this world!

Edited by nikitaspy, Apr 7, 2012 @ 4:43 PM.

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 4:42 PM

Alberta Watson is in 2.19 for sure :)

To be honest, except for Nikita and TVD I wouldn't mind it if they'd cancel all the other shows lol. CW has to raise its standards and start promoting some serious shows for once. Btw, is anyone else NOT excited about the fact that Noah Bean will be promoted to a serious regular next season? (assuming that they'll be another season) The are moments when I love his character like I love Owen for example but I really don't think he can fit in every episode :/
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 4:50 PM

I'm fairly indifferent to it. I like Ryan, and I trust these writers more than most, but I do wonder why we need him that often. Also, Nikita used to have a gender equal cast (same number of male and female regulars) and they don't anymore and if Ryan is a regular, unless they add more women, it's going to be getting very male heavy. That makes me sad. I love men, and I love most of our male characters, it's just...I really don't want Nikita and Alex to become our only women and sometimes it feels like it could be heading that way. I hope I'm wrong.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 5:07 PM

yea, I want more female characters in the show and Ryan being promoted doesn't help at all to this. Unless, Sean will die (really not hoping it) why have another male in nikita's team? cause well, Sean is joining the team soon :)
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 5:36 PM

You want to know the whole truth? I honestly don't care for any show on earth right now but Nikita. I can live with that.

I don't know if Ryan would appear as often if he becomes a regular. Look how much screen time Sean or even Birkhoff has. There's only so much they can do for each character besides the main ones - Nikita, Alex and Michael. And most of the time Michael is not in the picture if he's not with Nikita. It's the girl's power baby!

Edited by nikitaspy, Apr 7, 2012 @ 5:39 PM.

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 10:40 PM

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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 11:12 PM

Here's my hang up about Ryan, I don't care how smart he is or how he sees patterns, Nikita and Michael should be able to take on Division. They know Division and how the agents work, so theoretically, I don't see the need for someone to help them by being the smart guy. I get Birkoff, they've made it clear that Birkoff is irreplaceable when it comes to computers. Owen was necessary, a good addition when he still had his Guardian meds- but even still he's valuable for what he knows about Percy. I honestly don't see a reason for Ryan's character. At this point, we/Team Nikita know about how Divison was partially under government control and funding, but they killed those people with the exception of Madeline. And even if she gets new partners to try to control Division, that's not something we need Ryan for. Birkoff could run computer scans for people that fit the criteria to be part of Mads team. I don't think there is anything/anyone new that could pop up that Division/Birkoff and the rest of Team Nikita couldn't handle on their own. I've always been against the addition of the Ryan character, so yeah, I'm not thrilled to learn he's being made into a regular.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 10:21 AM

I also felt like it was a missed opportunity to only show the physical training the recruits underwent, and not the mental/psychological process. I'd imagine that to create efficient, ruthless assassins, you have to teach them to be emotionally detached and essentially become killing machines, with no moral compass. A lot of people felt Division was lame and unscary in the early episodes - this could have prevented that somewhat.


Exactly, I would have been a lot more interested in their training if they had taken it as dark as they could have, and it would also have reinforced Nikita's point on Division being this terrible and scary organisation that needs to be stopped, and got more of the audience really rooting for her (Division and Percy definitely came off so ineffective in the early episodes that it was hard to take them all that seriously at the time).

It could have been really interesting to see the characters being trained to do stuff like kill and detach themselves emotionally from it, but instead it felt like they were attempting to pander to the CW's traditional demo by making it so much about Jaden being the "mean girl" to Alex and developing a love triangle between Thom, Alex, and Jaden
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 5:58 PM

I'm just glad that Ryan's not stuck in a Division cell anymore. I wonder where he is now? Reconnecting with friends and family members who thought he was dead? Would he be able to get back his job at the CIA or have to take up some other kind of work?

I think if Sonya is developed more, so could be a strong female character. Or they could bring back that other woman that Birkhoff had a crush on before. The one who was a sleeper agent meant to assassinate somebody.

I don't know how long Madeleine is going to keep helping Team Nikita, because I thought she was supposed to be an evil person. Getting nearly killed might make her wary of Division for a while, but would it change her totally? Wouldn't she try to start a new black ops program?
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 7:22 PM

Nikita and Michael should be able to take on Division.

I disagree here, because one of the things I like most about the show is the gradual expansion of Nikita's team. Pre S1 Nikita was on her own trying to do it all. Then she got Alex. Then Michael and Birkhoff. Now Ryan. Division should be more than one or two people can handle. And if they give Ryan analysis/strategery to do, with Sonya following the smart nerd trajectory and getting the hell out of dodge... well then we have Team Nerd! With Nikita and Michael for the field work. That expansion to me feels much more like a true war, winning hearts and minds (or getting whoever runs Division this week to lose them) and tipping the balance.

The other thing I like is their willingness to progress the characters and story. S2 everyone started in a very different spot from S1, and the end of the season opener did not reset everyone to start. Percy spent most of the season in a box. Nikita and Michael decided "Well we're two adults who are attracted to each other and no longer on opposing sides; guess we'll try to be in a relationship despite all the shit we're going through." (I am still painfully watching Castle, for comparison.) Alex became a more independent agent, and now ally again in a much less mentee role. It's refreshing to feel we're going somewhere.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 8:13 PM

Would he be able to get back his job at the CIA or have to take up some other kind of work?


I doubt Ryan would be able to get his CIA job back. Dying doesn't change the fact he committed the crime for which he was sent to prison (assault? treason?) or that he has yet to serve out his full sentence. If Ryan were to come back from the dead, he's going straight back to jail. At best, Ryan can tell his mother he's alive but right now Ryan is going to have to live off the grid.

I wouldn't be surprised to find the dynamics of this show completely changed by the season finale. I've always expected Nikita and Michael to find themselves back in Division or an equivalent and facing off against a rival agency. I thought it was going to be Gogol but maybe it's Percy.
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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 10:27 PM

Does anyone know the titles/writers for the rest of the episodes?
2x21 ???
2x22 "Crossbow" – We get to see the President in this episode
2x23 is written by Carlos Coto but I don't know its title

I think I start falling in love with Carlos Coto. He just wrote the mighty "Power" we've seen last week, and now he's in command for the finale.

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Posted Apr 8, 2012 @ 10:58 PM

Does anyone know the titles/writers for the rest of the episodes?
2x21 ???
2x22 "Crossbow" – We get to see the President in this episode
2x23 is written by Carlos Coto but I don't know its title

I think Kalinda Vazquez wrote 2x21. Her and the cast talked about her being on set for that episode on Twitter.

Edited by Makenna, Apr 8, 2012 @ 10:58 PM.

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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 1:42 AM

I am positive that Nikita will be renewed it is CW's show that has the best buzz from critics

Look at this article :

http://www.examiner....s-nikita-review

That gives CW positive buzz to finally have an intelligent show on their schedule.

Also Nikita air on fridays with more viewers then many CW shows plus has a massive international following. I definitely think Nikita is going to be renewed look how badly All their new shows perform.

Then we have this spy puzzle game and such why make them if they want to cancel it also the comic con panel in chicago so close daee to the CW upfronts.
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 10:42 AM

I am positive that Nikita will be renewed it is CW's show that has the best buzz from critics

Look at this article :

http://www.examiner....s-nikita-review

That gives CW positive buzz to finally have an intelligent show on their schedule.

That Examiner site doesn't really mean anything, unfortunately, as it's a user-generated news site. Anybody can write articles about anything. I could go to that site right now and register to be a writer.

It could have been really interesting to see the characters being trained to do stuff like kill and detach themselves emotionally from it, but instead it felt like they were attempting to pander to the CW's traditional demo by making it so much about Jaden being the "mean girl" to Alex and developing a love triangle between Thom, Alex, and Jaden

Ugh, so true. That's why I didn't really get into Nikita until Alex finally was set free from the confines of Division. So glad the show moved away from that.
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 1:12 PM

When Alex goes in alone to retrieve the black box, she calls Nikita and pretends to be in tears/a complete mess, even saying she got high again, to lure Nikita out of the motel room. I have to say, it was pretty chilling to see that Alex can be that cold and manipulative, cynically using her mentor's concern for her to play Nikita. I can't even see Nikita doing that kind of thing. (Okay, in a way Nikita DID do the same thing to Amanda in the latest episode, thereby getting Amanda to back out of killing her in the vault, but I found Alex doing it way more disturbing.)


That scene broke my heart because it really cut into the Nikita/Alex relationship, that after Alex shot her and left her, Nikita's first instinct was still to immediate come to her aid and Alex using that care as a weapon. But at the same time even though it was cold, I thought Lyndsy played that scene very well. I could see the conflicted emotion on her face as she was making the call, as if it was paining her herself to be doing this to Nikita. Alex was so set on revenge in the first half of the season that she was pretty much going to do anything to geet it.

If renewal is between Ringer, Hart of Dixie, and Nikita I put my bets on Nikita. Isn't Hard of Dixie doing even worse ratings than Nikita, on a Monday none the less?
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