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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:03 PM

From some TV listings of unknown origin:

Val's water breaks; Erica and Tyler are invited up to the Mothership; Chad makes a devastating discovery.

Chad Decker is a dirty rat. At least Hobbes didn’t know he was working for the Vs. But Chad took the message straight to Anna. A message from a priest. Chad trusts an alien more than he does a fellow American pious human. I hope he gets burned in a big way.

So Anna kills Val, one of my favorite characters. I realize this will give Ryan more motivation next season, but I still don’t like it. I loved that face she made right before she almost ate that rat. She was like, “what the fuck, I’m pregnant. I have cravings!” And I love that she dumped Ryan after she found out he was lying to her.

Didn’t Agent Erica have some paperwork to do after killing Joshua on the ship? She went straight to Mass afterwards. And I don’t believe that many parishioners would leave. There’s got to be more suspicion among the humans.

I realize that this was a short season, but now that it’s been renewed, they have got to start giving us more backstory next season. We don’t know what motivates anyone. And show us the damned baby!

Edited by hollyhox, May 18, 2010 @ 10:08 PM.


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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:06 PM

Indeed, show us the damned baby. My husband commented that ABC probably didn't have enough money. He might just be right--it's not like this show revels in subtlety as it is.

I disapprove of Val being dead, Ryan being blissed, and us still not knowing whether the old priest is a V or just a sucker. Joshua's resurrection and Lisa's insurrection, however, I'm down with. And those were some mighty rollicking red clouds.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:08 PM

For me this was a huge disappointment. No answers. Only the smallest glimpse of a tail on the baby. Still no good idea of what the V look like. What they are doing here. More questions - is Ryan hooked back into Bliss? Will he give the 5th Column over? Joshua knew they could bring the dead back, he did it with Erica's partner, it never dawned on him that they'd do it to him, or did it?

I'm not sure I'm going to bother to tune in next season to find out. I'm starting to suspect the writers have no answers to give.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:09 PM

The red sky ending was ridiculous. The Vs need the humans for something or else they would have slaughtered or enslaved them by now. Changing the sky is not going to foster any good will and will only complicate any plan the Vs have. Angry Anna is one stupid lizard.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:09 PM

So, does the resurrection of Joshua mean that Marcus is a super secret 5th Columner? Or does it mean that big, bad Marcus brought back Joshua just to skin him dead? Because Marcus did seem pretty gleeful to tell Anna that she's feeling human emotions.

ETA: Jacob is not Marcus and V is not Lost.

Edited by Kassofan, May 18, 2010 @ 10:12 PM.


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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:09 PM

Perhaps it's a result of my extremely low expectations, but I thought the episode was great.

I'm in for Season 2.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:10 PM

OMG they killed Joshua! I actually yelled that out loud. Then I yelled in glee when I saw Marcus had brought him back. Yaaaay!

I was kind of not surprised, though, because that scene he had with Lisa- guys, Lisa & Joshua could be the most awesome-nest new leader couple of the Vs.
Tyler just needs to somehow go away now.

I'm also glad Hobbes didn't die cause he's super hot. Yeah, I'm shallow.

They have a lot to work on for next season, but I'll def tune in to see what happens.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:11 PM

No! Joshua! Yay! Joshua! Um, uh oh, you're going to be horribly tortured and skinned now, Joshua? I'm so glad they brought him back, because I was heartbroken after they seemed to kill off both him and Val (oh, Val!) in the same episode, but I worry for him now that he's been brought back. By Marcus, no less!

Poor Ryan and most of all, poor Val. Val never got to have a chance ever since she met Ryan. If Ryan hadn't been so heartbroken, he should have checked her arm for a puncture wound where Anna injected her. I sure hope he was faking feeling the bliss, or wouldn't he have not had a reaction to his baby? I thought that was Anna's way of testing him to see that he had given in to her bliss. (And yes, show the damn baby! Even a rubber suit would do!)

Props to Morena for the breakdown at the end. It was nice to see Anna lose it for once, and I like that she's experiencing human emotion, against her will. And will the nuclear skies FINALLY make humanity wake up to something in their midst? One can only hope.

Who was the "her" that Marcus mentioned to Hobbes? Val? Hobbes's source (aka, Ellen from Supernatural)?

ETA: Nice moment when Joshua called Lisa, "My queen."

Edited by mononoke, May 18, 2010 @ 10:12 PM.


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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:11 PM

What is the 2 things we've all been dying to see?
1) Anna eating something small and furry.
2) A fraking lizard baby.

Is that really too much to ask?

I want to see the good Father defrocked. *snerk*

Anna put on the greatest technicolor light show of all time. If that whole Queen of the lizards job doesn't work out, I think she has a shot at Broadway.

So, are we supposed to believe that Marcus is 5th column now? I don't really care either way. He saved Joshua, that is all that matters to me.

ETA: Lisa's smirk at the end killed me.

Edited by Lady Snarkbite, May 18, 2010 @ 10:13 PM.


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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:14 PM

I'm not sure I'm going to bother to tune in next season to find out. I'm starting to suspect the writers have no answers to give.

I'm beginning to think that all the pointless lying on the show is there because the writers haven't figured out the "whys" yet. I hope that since they'll (presumably) have a longer second season, they'll make it all make sense. I won't hang around long if it's just going to be a mindless action/adventure thing.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:14 PM

Perhaps the biggest compliment I can give the episode is that it finally seemed to capture some of the spirit of the 80s show. The first 11 episodes were almost completely devoid of it.

The show has a loooooooong way to go, but I'm a lot more optimistic about its future than I was an hour ago.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:17 PM

Just realized we got to see the Visitors' laser weapons in action for the first time tonight. Was anyone else hoping they'd make that cool whooshing sound from the old TV show?

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:17 PM

I read the spoiler that Joshua was coming back but I thought they lied. This is me after Joshua says him kill.


Noooooooooooooooo. You killed Joshua. You bastards. Wait he isn't dead. Yay! He's shirtless. Double Yay! Oh crap he is in deep shit. Lisa save your brave soldier!


Ryan contiues to annoy. Leaving Val alone with them when he knew they would kill her. He sucks. I hope he is just faking and finds a way to save baby V. Why didn't they show it/her/him? I wanted to see what it looked like.


Chad helps Anna after seeing that they skin people alive? He should be skinned alive as his punishment. Getting eaten by Anna? He might like that.

How much does Lisa rock? Off the charts chemistry with Joshua and telling him he was soo brave. My shipper heart did flip flops. awwwwww. Two words have never sounded sexier. MY QUEEN. and her welcome to the club smirk after Anna's freakout.

I wonder who they have that Hobbes loves? I'm calling it now, his daughter. I doubt very much if he would freak out at anyone else.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:19 PM

Loved, loved, LOVED Lisa's smirk while watching her mother experience human emotions for the first time. If she had a thought bubble over her head, it would have read, "How do you like that, bitch?"

So glad Joshua is still alive. Perhaps Marcus is basically the V version of Hobbes, a double dealer willing to switch sides whenever it suits him best, because that final scene confused me a little. Does he want to torture Joshua? Or just use him for info against Anna, and then dispose of him?

Wished they didn't kill Val off. I liked her, especially since her "Mmm, delicious rat!" scene.

Kinda spooky how so many parishioners believe in the V's, and were willing to believe in them no matter what. Giant spaceships in the sky are never a good sign people!

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:19 PM

Perhaps the biggest compliment I can give the episode is that it finally seemed to capture some of the spirit of the 80s show.


Yes, I like that they finally used the "V is for Victory" message from the original show, and that there was actually a sense of tension when Erica was about to nuke all of the soldier eggs. I kept expecting Anna to pop up and catch her red- er, blue balls of energy-handed.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:26 PM

Wow - why couldn't the show have been this awesome from the start?

I didn't care about Val. But Joshua? My future viewing enjoyment would have been greatly compromised had he stayed dead. "You are very brave" indeed - and very hot. Though I'm confused... did they say he's actually human? What? He didn't vanish when he died.

So, does the resurrection of Joshua mean that Marcus is a super secret 5th Columner?


That would rock, because he's growing on me. I loved his scene with Kyle - who also never fails to delight me. Great chemistry with Erica.

Father Hottie rules too. "V for Victory", finally! I take it Chad finally gets it now?

And show us the damned baby!


Seriously! That one bit was ridiculous. Did they blow all their money on the eggs and red clouds?

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:26 PM

I thought the season ended with a great cliff hanger. For one thing the return of Joshua was welcome. There are a number of things that could be going on. Marcus seemed to turn against Anna at the end. Apparently Anna's impetuous act has jeopardized the mission. Perhaps Marcus is ready to go to the other side. Or more likely he was brought back so they could torture him to get the truth about who his 5th column allies are. Either way you have to figure Lisa will find a way to rescue him. More importantly, Decker now seems to be on board with the 5th column having learned the truth (though nothing like when Mike Donovan watched Diana eat a rat on TOS) He will probably work directly with them next year as a double agent. It also looks like a new phase has begun and it will be no more Mr. nice visitors. That should let the fight be more open.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:26 PM

catch her red- er, blue balls of energy-handed.

Hee! V is the show that makes it possible for women to have blue balls!

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:27 PM

One thing we learned tonight, after Anna's meltdown, is that the Visitors' lack of emotions is culturally-imposed, and not biological.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:33 PM

Well, if they'd left Joshua dead I wouldn't have cared about a renewal or not.

I dunno, I like the show, but it's like watching a game of hot potato with the Idiot Ball. That plan of Erica's succeeded? Using Chad Decker to send messages? Joshua can't get into the breeding chamber but Erica does? Joshua thought bullets would put him down when he's already resurrected Vs that have been shot?

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:34 PM

Personally, I thought that was all kinds of awesome. The show has slowly improved over the past eleven episodes. Especially the final moments when Anna freaked right the frak out. Erica should have realized that Anna would have a negative reaction to all her eggs being destroyed. Not quite sure what the red sky was meant to indicate, but it reminded me of the ignited Van Allen Radiation Belt in Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. So, I guess Anna's plan is to melt all of the polar ice caps and flood the major coastal cities of earth.

Will there be a 13th episode next week, or was this the season finale?

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:35 PM

Lizard baby!

"V" is for Vengence.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:38 PM

Will there be a 13th episode next week, or was this the season finale?

Nope, this was it.

And ABC isn't bringing it back until midseason, so we've got at least 7-8 months before we see Anna and her pals again.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 10:52 PM

One thing we learned tonight, after Anna's meltdown, is that the Visitors' lack of emotions is culturally-imposed, and not biological.

Yea, it's like they are Vulcan's or something--trained to control their emotions, but if they let go of that control, all hell breaks loose.

I feel like I still don't know shit about the Vs, which is crazy given that this was the season finale.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 11:00 PM

I'm hoping Marcus is 5th Column because, quite frankly, I rather like Joshua's skin. Best part of tonight's great episode was his awakening.

Even if Marcus isn't, I have faith Lisa will save her sexy loyal lizard.

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 11:26 PM

One thing we learned tonight, after Anna's meltdown, is that the Visitors' lack of emotions is culturally-imposed, and not biological.

Yea, it's like they are Vulcan's or something--trained to control their emotions, but if they let go of that control, all hell breaks loose.

That's one way of looking at it, but it could also be that Anna is developing human emotions based on all her interactions with humans. She's met more of them than any other V. Joshua, in comparison, hasn't had much human contact, and he seems pretty emotionless, despite the fact that he's 5th Column. He has to act that way around Anna, but we've seen him alone or with other 5ths, and he still seems emotionless. I still love him, though. He'll learn!

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 11:31 PM

I was underwhelmed by significant portions of this episode. Perhaps they were just more striking to me because other portions of it made me giddy fan-boy.

Count me among those who would've had a SERIOUS problem watching the show without Joshua wandering around. Also count me among those who really, really kinda got an (inappropriate?) thrill when Joshua referred to Lisa as "my queen." In that ... (inappropriate?) voice. TROUBLE FOR TYLER (thank god). I wish.

Almost instantly I'm finding Marcus a much more interesting character. I'd rather he was playing some kind of two-sides (or even three-sides?) game. Part of me was thinking "good grief, the Vs had great success converting a whole bunch of people to loyal followers to begin with, but they've damned well approached EVERYONE in the 5th Column to be their inside man ... without realizing they're already in the 5th Column." It's like they were going down a list of People In Power or People of Skill and don't GET that these particular humans have already turned against them. Someone referred to it as passing the Idiot Ball, and yeah ... there was some Idiot Ball getting tossed around. Not just Blue Energy Grenades.

I do believe Lisa and Erica proved this episode that blondes DO have more fun. With high explosives. And pathos. Oh, and did anyone else break out into giggles when it seemed like the show producers were doing an advertisement for Erica's shoes when she was running away from the explosion? Or maybe trying to show that Erica is totally a Badass Agent for even being able to run away in those shoes?

"Facing a high stakes family function AND the covert destruction of an alien army? Wear new Work Ethix, by Reebok."

I have a theory as to the rather sudden (but also rather awesome) emotional freak-out by Anna. And this is just my fan-wank. What if "human emotion" isn't a cultural taboo, but a side-effect of the human skins? What if Anna happened to be one of the last of the V to switch over to a human shell? That would explain how she seems to be the last V to run into a brick wall of RAGE! I mean, seriously. It could also explain how she just totally went over the top with it, too. She's the Queen Bee's Knees, but if the weird "you say you have no emotion, but you've been inexpertly smirking your satisfaction after every evil plot this season" smirks were a sign of ... integration to the skin? ... instead of just "you're a lying bitch!" ... well, as you can see, I'm sort of taken with my own theory.

Both Lisa and Marcus have definitely developed their own smirks to compensate for Anna's loss of composure.

I'll miss the show for the season break, but if they can use this time to tighten up some loose joints and speed up some plot points, I'll be thrilled to see it back.

(And Joshua, of course. Maybe mostly Joshua. Okay. Mostly Joshua.)

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Posted May 18, 2010 @ 11:43 PM

I dunno, I like the show, but it's like watching a game of hot potato with the Idiot Ball. That plan of Erica's succeeded? Using Chad Decker to send messages? Joshua can't get into the breeding chamber but Erica does? Joshua thought bullets would put him down when he's already resurrected Vs that have been shot?

Yeah, Anna has two goals: keep the Vs from feeling emotions, and keep humanity from thinking too hard - and apparently the second part includes the viewers! Still, I have to admit this series has done a decent job of eventually training me to stifle the troublesome common sense questions and just wait to see the next shiny scene. In fact, I'm going to lose any sense of self-respect I might have tonight and do some fan-wanking: both Joshua and Lisa could have figured out a way to destroy the soldier eggs, but part of being 5th Column is being sensitive about such wanton destruction, so they would both rather have Erica do the job, who wouldn't have to wrestle with any qualms about doing it. When Lisa even turned Joshua down the first time, she specifically said she felt unable to do that to her own kind.

So, are we supposed to believe that Marcus is 5th column now? I don't really care either way. He saved Joshua, that is all that matters to me.

I think Marcus is kind of a Hobbes for the Vs (kudos to the poster above who said similar), with self-interest coming before allegiance to either side, so it's fitting that those two keep getting together. He's starting to lose faith in Anna, especially after her meltdown and prematurely launching the next stage of the plan, and probably has visions of taking power in his own right; I doubt he has any good plans for Joshua in store or has experienced any 5th Column conversion like Lisa (who I think will still remain conflicted, despite helping Joshua), and if he isn't just out for information/torture, he will probably try to convince Joshua to join forces to topple Anna, even though he has his own reasons for doing so.

And show us the damned baby!

Seriously! That one bit was ridiculous. Did they blow all their money on the eggs and red clouds?

This was the big disappointment for sure. All we got was the prehensile tail, and we've already known about the tail all along. The green puppet baby of the original was pretty lame, especially if you go back and see it now, but it was very, very effective. (I do like that the breathing we heard was reminiscent of how that one also wheezed.) They didn't need to do a full reveal, but a half-glimpse of features or flesh would have been fine. I guess they probably haven't figured out how hybrid they want to get - in fact the tail might just be the forked tongue equivalent of the "Starchilde" of the 80s, the only indication that he/she is not fully human. As far as the rest of that not-happy nuclear family goes, I wasn't thrilled to see Val get killed off, even though I bought the reasoning for it; it seemed the character had finally come into her own, and you could see her joining the 5th column to find out more answers and maybe live out some maternal loyalty to try to protect her child. Since we still know almost 0% about what the Vs want from humanity (we still have to go back to the very first episode, where the pretext given was to replenish some water for the fleet and seek out a rare mineral or something), I'm not sure if a hybrid is such a threat and might actually be what they need to repopulate the non-soldiers of their race or something. Anna might want to keep Ryan alive as a stud horse for the human ladies or something now that he's shown he can knock them up. Ha!

As for the red skies, I'm not sure what they're about beyond looking cool. It's going to be impossible to keep humanity from panicking about the Vs and their true intentions after THAT. But then, to paraphrase Spaceballs, maybe the Vs will always triumph because humanity is dumb. I'm probably going to actually stay tuned when the next season rolls around, which I didn't think I would be saying even a few episodes ago (although partly because I didn't think it would get renewed!). But they better start off answering some questions right away, even if those only raise new ones. The priest also better quit jerking around, after setting off the chain of events that nearly killed off Joshua. In fact, with Ryan (temporarily?) back on board with Anna, Erica is basically the only resistance member who is committed to fighting the Vs without all these random questions of motivation, loyalty or conscience troubling her. I'm not convinced Decker will stop being annoying either, but having him finally see the light in the finale was a nice touch. Speaking of Decker, not crazy about he and Erica running all over that damned ship without supervision, but anyway.

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Posted May 19, 2010 @ 12:11 AM

Perhaps the biggest compliment I can give the episode is that it finally seemed to capture some of the spirit of the 80s show. The first 11 episodes were almost completely devoid of it.

Yes! We need V to stand for Victory or even Vengeance. Since the show returned I've wanted more fighting, less talking. I get tired of hearing them walk around making plans. Take, action, blow up a ship, kill some lizard eggs! They are fighting for their lives, I got tired of meetings and then they go back to ordinary lives. I like the idea of Hobbes being coerced because it leaves room for his ultimate redemption. I like the idea of Marcus being super secret 5th column because it means the mother ship is more infiltrated than Anna would like to admit. Speaking of Vulcan I wonder if Anna's personal blissing of Ryan had a sort of mind meld effect on her. Maybe she absorbed some of the emotions Ryan developed from living as a human so long. The cgi on this show is awful, so I'd rather just get a hint of a lizard baby than see it. It's just enough to let us know the baby doesn't appear 100% human.

Out of 1000's of eggs, 12 survived and it's iffy if they will all be able to hatch. Does that mean we'll have slightly crazy V soilders running around? I also wonder if the older priest is a sleeper V.

Lastly I loved the costuming on this episode. Notice how every one on the ship wears varying shades of gray and black, but the 2 mothers had on teal. Also it seems that the lower you are on the totem pole, the lighter your uniform is.

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Posted May 19, 2010 @ 12:22 AM

Why so much shipping of Joshua and Lisa? Isn't he gay?