Kaffyr: After being incredibly (and increasingly) disappointed with The Beast Below and sort of pallidly amused by Victory of the Daleks, I am back to being really happy with the show. Time of the Angels and Flesh and Stone are what I so enjoy about the show when it's good; frightening, mind-bending, awe-inspiring shows with characters I care about.
, you are a genius and I love every single thing you posted about this episode. I also agree with you completely on the Angels--I enjoyed Blink, but kind of as a novelty, and the Angels scared me in that, but they scared the pure wits out of me here. I was crouching on the couch watching this and I am a pretty tough scare. For me, these angels were much much scarier than before. And I didn't mind discrepancies because we were seeing them 'at war,' so to speak, both wounded and dying as well as desperate and empowered in a new way. I loved it.Coalhouse
, I feel the same way--for me, these two episodes beautifully brought Eleven into believable focus for me. I now absolutely love him--his oddness, the rudeness, the unexpected gentleness, the old/young thing Smith does so (spookily) well. Love him (thank goodness, I'm so relieved). And this brings up something that has been occurring to me with each ensuing episode thus far in 5: That this Doctor is positively haphazard about his companion's safety. He seems so blase about her safety in weird ways--it's a very new dynamic for me with the Doctor. He always seems to be leaving Amy alone, sending her off, etc.
Last Time Lord: Why does The Doctor hate Rory so much?
Because Rory is this season's Mickey? ;-)
I still adore River Song, and like her new grayscale quality (although it doesn't really worry me--either she doesn't really 'kill' the Doctor, or she does so at his express command and then loyally takes the fall when of course he's not really dead etc... but we'll see!). I loved her interactions with Amy as well, and oddly, I found Eleven very sexy with her, like in that last lean-in where he told her the Pandoricum was a fairy tale. I also really liked Father Octavian as a character, and thought his death scene was incredibly affecting and well-written. I bought that he couldn't move and there was little way to solve it -- he as all wrapped up in stone fingers and the situation was heartbreaking. His final words with the Doctor were among the most beautiful I've seen in these situations on the show. And to echo a poster far above, I also appreciated this episode's treatment of faith. I'm an atheist, myself, but I was honestly really surprised that it didn't all end with the Doctor raging at them about the damage faith (or faith ill-placed) can do.
And you guys are so brilliant because I totally
missed the jacket discrepancy in the Doctor's return to Amy, I was too lost in how absolutely sweet the scene was. But it was absolutely amazing to realize that yes, something else was absolutely going on there. Last but not least, I loved the image of Amy in her flowing red shirt (like a capelet), stumbling through the eerie forest from the weeping angels. I'm a sucker for fairytale motifs and this was beautiful.
McKinley: Angel Bob: "Because you haven't noticed yet, sir. The Doctor on the TARDIS hasn't noticed."
Then they see the crack. I remember thinking the first time I watched that scene, "What does he mean, 'The Doctor on the TARDIS'?" But I dismissed it, thinking I mis-heard the line.
BRILLIANT catch. Whether "in" or "on," to me it's definitely possible that he is referring to both now-Doctor (jacketless) and TARDIS-Doctor (with jacket).
Scribbly: I don't like it when people are made super-special-secret people (Rose, Donna)
This seems to be a common refrain, but I don't understand it. Isn't it far more likely, not that Rose or Donna or Amy turn out to be suddenly, magically, important... but that their exposure to the Doctor helped them to discover their own specialness for themselves, while also directly making them targets? Rose made herself special because she would not abandon the Doctor, so became the Bad Wolf. Donna was special because of her choices--she would never have been in her position if she had turned right. Same with many companions. Jack is special because of Rose's attempts to save him.
I don't know--I like the way it all falls together. It seems to be a side effect of exposure to the Doctor, to discover what you're truly capable of. So I don't mind their super specialness because it's one of the weird side effects of adventures in the TARDIS. The Ood sing of Donna not because she was a magical temp, but specifically because of her actions and choices with the Doctor.