Season One Discussion Thread
Posted Jan 29, 2012 @ 10:27 PM
I found the first season kinda slow at first *shrugs* I was hooked but to me the family stuff was kinda slow/boring for me. Maybe its because Im not a fan of Skyler but I was so sick of her by the end of the season. Once they started to focus more on the Walt becoming a Meth maker than his family woes I was hooked.
Something that Skye did that really annoyed me was when she went to Jesses house to confront him about selling her husband pot. Im sorry but Walt is a grown man and he can make his own choices. I would understand her more if it was Walt Jr. that was buying pot, but to go to this drug dealers house because of your grown adult husband was a little extreme. Not to mention she just barged right in on his property. I dont know that was just really ridiculous for me.
Hank was so ridiculous to me in the first season and not in a good way Lol.
I loved the whole Crazy8 story line. I loved Walt and Jesse being ridiculous in how to deal with the situation. Walt and Jesse are really not good criminals in the first season lol.
Tuco - jesus christ he was a scary dude. The actor really nailed the part of a psychotic drug lord.
My fav. character is Jesse Pinkman. Aaron Paul is just amazing to me.
Bryan Cranston - such a superb actor and so different from Hal from Malcolm in the Middle Lol. I had sympathy for him in the first season.
Posted Jun 14, 2012 @ 8:04 PM
Posted Jun 15, 2012 @ 8:01 PM
My initial reason for wanting a place to discuss the reruns was asked earlier in this thread by eegah, but not answered so far: How did Walt dispose of Krazy8's body? I wondered if that info was cut out in the reruns, because 2 scenes I remember from S1 weren't shown (the h.s. student taking a picture of Walt working at the car wash, which I think was what precipitated his quitting; and the hand job). I assume that AMC is cutting out snippets here and there to get a few more early a.m. commercials in. Boooo!
I started watching last year, catching the earlier seasons on DVDs from the library and watching S4 in real time. But now knowing what Walt has become capable of doing, it's rather poignant looking back at him in S1, when he was so conflicted about killing K8 that he was going to let him go, trusting him not to come back and hurt his family. The sense of morality and humanity that was ingrained in him then has been dissolved in the acid of his new life. He's become a monster, but also a tragic figure. Incredible storytelling!!
Something I didn't notice on first watch is in episode 4, Hank says Emilio (the puddle in the bathtub) was Hank's snitch. I'm trying to wrap my head around that. If Walt had trusted Emilio and Crazy 8 and agreed to cook for them, Hank would have found out about Walt in season one.
I thought Hank said that Krazy8 was the snitch. (I've erased that ep from the DVR, so can't check.) Wasn't he the one who tipped off the feds to Emilio? Tho that seems odd that a higher-level dealer would bust a lower-level guy.
If anyone reading this knows the name of the song and the singer of the final song of S1, please let me know. It was excellent.
Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 9:01 AM
Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 2:45 PM
I watched the first episode and was immediately hooked. I ended up watching 5 episodes in a row that first night. I finished off S1 the next night as well as the first two episodes of S2.
I could've sworn Hank said Emilio was the snitch. If anyone remembers the specific episode, I can go back and check since I have not deleted them from the DVR.
This is an excellent show with (for the most part) excellent casting. I always enjoyed Bryan Cranston from Malcolm in the Middle and am thrilled to see him in this role of Walter White. What an excellent portrayal of a character that is fabulously written. The storytelling is done so well and I'm really enjoying watching the episodes back to back to back. I plan to be all caught up by the time S5 begins airing in July. So glad AMC is re-airing things in order before S5 starts. I remember always wanting to check out this show but never did in the beginning (can't recall why) and then thought I was too far behind to ever understand it. Even though I'm really late, now I can join the party before everyone else leaves!
Edited by Blue Fedora, Jun 16, 2012 @ 2:47 PM.
Posted Jun 16, 2012 @ 7:57 PM
and I found the answer to my q re the last song on 1x7: "Who's Gonna Save My Soul" by Gnarls Barkley. Ther's a music blog on amctv.com that lists all the music played on each ep.
Edited by MBayGal, Jun 16, 2012 @ 8:04 PM.
Posted Jun 17, 2012 @ 1:48 PM
Season 1 episode 1... Krazy-8, Emilio and Jesse pull up to the RV meth-lab in the desert where Walt is cooking... Emilio is in the back seat holding a gun to Jesse's head (Jesse is in the passenger seat), Krazy-8 is driving and the car is the neon lime-green one. Later all four of them are in the RV (Emilio and Krazy-8 thought to be dead) with Walt driving like a bat out of hell. The neon lime-green car that Krazy-8 was driving remains in the desert. I guess we can assume the car belongs to Krazy-8 since he is driving.
Season 1 episode 6... Hank goes to see Walt in the classroom... Hank shows Walt the air mask and says they found it near an abandoned car owned by a snitch who's gone missing and is presumed dead.
From that, my assumption is Krazy-8 is the snitch... it's confirmed by this link here
Hope that helps!!
Edited by Blue Fedora, Jun 17, 2012 @ 1:49 PM.
Posted Jun 18, 2012 @ 12:34 AM
This is a guy who was always a badass at heart, but who for whatever reason needed a cancer diagnosis to get him to break out of his shell. I think this is actually why Walt was angry at finding out his cancer had gone into remission. Having terminal cancer gave him an easy reason not to care about his life. After that remission, though, he actually had to face mortality for more complex reasons.
In many respects, WW is a difficult character to understand. If he has any self-esteem at all, and he generally seems to hate himself, it is because of his chemical genius. However, his greatest nemesis in the series so far has been Gus Fring, also a person whose prime strength was intellect. However, WW is without discipline. The main reason Gus felt WW was a threat was his lack of discipline and volatility.
WW is, in a literal and a figurative sense, an explosive personality. His first killing was with red phosphorus. His first appearance as his Heisenberg alter-ego was with fulminate of mercury. His most brutal murder, of Gus Fring, was with explosives. He followed that with an even more dramatic explosion of the superlab.
WW has had a number of characters in this series who he has partnered with, talked with, sympathized with. He has never had a true friend except for Jesse, who would probably kill him if he knew what Walt has done to him.
Who is the character most like Walt? It's certainly not Gus, who always maintained discipline and hated Walt largely because he was a loose cannon who could not be trusted to behave predictably.
It's Tuco. Walt blows up his HQ and Tuco is actually impressed and crazy enough to view the whole thing as fun. This is also how Walt views his increasingly crazed and psychotic behavior. At the end of S4, he commits a crazed multiple homicide and then blows up a building, and poisoning a small child is just a minor part of this deviant scheme, and what's his summation? "I won." To Walt, all this is a game.
This hasn't been a character development. This has been a person coming into his fullest form.
WW has always been this bastard that he is now. He is just a lot better at it now. I'm amazed Cranston plays this vile character so well that I am still rooting for him, at least until he dies. My prediction and hope? Jesse kills him.
Posted Jun 21, 2012 @ 8:17 AM
(1) All viewers should be warned that the Netflix streaming version of the pilot is missing ten minutes. These are essential plot points that are referred to in many of the reviews of the pilot. If you have the free streaming Netflix plan and don't want to wait for the disks, spend the $2 and watch the pilot on Amazon where you can see the whole thing.
(2) Did anyone notice the woman in the green dress that Walt sees before he faints. We only see her and her car from behind, but isn't it Gretchen? Basically, he's seeing the life he didn't get.
Posted Jun 21, 2012 @ 11:06 AM
Posted Jun 21, 2012 @ 11:53 AM
Posted Jun 22, 2012 @ 3:36 PM
Posted Jun 27, 2012 @ 5:09 PM
In the very first episode, right after Tuco kills No-Doze, Walt and Jesse are about to leave the scene and Tuco challenges their hasty departure, Walt says something like "I thought we we're done."
Tuco pauses dramatically, before telling them, "You're done."
The upcoming scene sounds like Walt reenacting this very scene. Saul wants out, Walt isn't going to let him go.
Posted Jun 28, 2012 @ 7:14 PM
Posted Jun 28, 2012 @ 7:37 PM
When the last ep of S4 originally was broadcast, VG said in the podcast that the scene where Walt calls his neighbor and asks her to check the stove in his house would be on the DVDs, but not on AMC's repeats, because of length. However, I think I saw that scene in the broadcast this week.
Edited by thatguy01, Jun 28, 2012 @ 7:38 PM.
Posted Jul 1, 2012 @ 2:59 PM
I can't say for sure whether they cut anything, but I'm that person who usually does notice those cuts, and I didn't notice anything missing.
Edited by coaster, Jul 1, 2012 @ 3:02 PM.
Posted Jul 3, 2012 @ 1:30 AM
I love, love, love the cinematography and attention to so many details. The glorious sky and starkness of the windswept high desert add so much to the story.
It's sort of odd that Jesse doesn't have a nickname that he consistently uses like Badger, Skinny Pete, etc. except for the few times so far that he has called himself Diesel.
It's also a bit puzzling why, in the early episodes, Jesse takes so much verbal abuse from Walt but continues to do the most dangerous acts of selling and trying to collect payment and make contacts. He's been beaten up so many times that I've lost count. He really is the one putting himself most in harm's way, and Walt never acknowledges that Jesse is an equally key player in their operation. Walt is very arrogant and acts like Jesse is intellectually inferior (which is true from a completely academic standpoint), but Jesse has the street smarts that Walt definitely doesn't.
And time and time again, Jesse's deep down goodness and sense of right and wrong, prove to be his undoing. Case in point - tonight's showing of the episode Peekaboo where his concern for the welfare of the child distracted him from the threat of harm from the child's totally whacked out parents. Walt could have cared less about the explanation about what happened to Jesse and then freaked out when he thought Jesse killed the guy who robbed Skinny Pete when that's exactly what he implied that he wanted Jesse to do.
It certainly would be poetic justice if Jesse would be the one who ends up killing Walt, but I don't see how he could bring himself to do it.
What a sad, hopeless world we've been given a window to. I've read that crime is bad in Albuquerque and that gangs are prevalent. Wonder if there are any Albuquerque residents who post on here who can confirm or deny.
Can't wait until tomorrow to watch the three episodes being taped tonight!
Posted Jul 3, 2012 @ 2:42 PM
I have to say, I am really disappointed so far. It might be the expectations that were set too high, I don't know. But so far [I actually finished 1st season and watched 4 episodes of Season 2] I can't say I like much about the show. Acting is fantastic, but the characters really annoy me. I only like Jesse. I'm not saying characters are badly written or anything, but I don't know, there's just nothing about most of them that would make me cheer for them. Walter was an asshole to Jesse most of the time, and I think he's very selfish and doesn't really care about his family as much as he'd like us to believe. More importantly, and I apologize to all the fans because this might make ME an asshole, but I find him boring.
Villains [Tuco and Krazy-8] were, I thought, over the top, especially Tuco. Hank is like a caricature, but he's fun at times, so I put him with Jesse as one of the characters I don't mind.
I don't know, I had such a high hopes for BB, but so far I am disappointed. It seems like a very ambitious show, but so far I had the feeling they were more interested in trying to shock the audience than anything else.
Posted Jul 3, 2012 @ 4:16 PM
I've read that crime is bad in Albuquerque and that gangs are prevalent. Wonder if there are any Albuquerque residents who post on here who can confirm or deny.
I live 72 miles south of ABQ, my Dad lives there so I go up all the time. Yeah...crime is bad, but not more so than any other medium sized city. Gangs are a bit of a problem, but again, not unlike any other city. There are a lot of burglaries though.
Posted Jul 3, 2012 @ 8:20 PM
Posted Jul 28, 2012 @ 12:11 PM
The rest isn't bad. I love the cat-and-mouse with Hank, the tension of not knowing what to expect, the use of laguage BITCH, the surprise bits of humor (Tuco: "What, was the mall closed?" and Jesse's slow burn look at Walt) the de-Walter-Mittying of Walt. I am suspecting the main theme of the show is "Walt White destroys Jesse", but will have to watch the rest to find out.
Posted Jul 28, 2012 @ 11:17 PM
Somewhere around mid-season, there's a sequence where Jesse is looking out the window in highly paranoid fashion, and his POV does several quick "cuts", like reality is a faulty film reel with little pieces missing. Yup. That was bang-on. And while I never quite hallucinated outright like that - that evangelists were actually evil bikers - I can certainly identify with the deep, dark paranoid fantasies.
And Jesse! Oh, Jesse, he is SO sympathetic. Very smart, possibly ADD, very creative, an oldest child with loving, if anything over-attentive parents; never quite fitting in, never quite willing to let that potential out, always desperately compelled to somehow hold back that frighteningly-vast potential; feeling guilty for squandering that charmed upbringing, dodging depression and boredom and apathy and lack of focus, drawn by the idea of being 'harder' and more 'street' and just once knowing what it's like to be 'cool', to look around a room and feel like you're all equals, you can all understand eachother... and so eventually, all roads lead to meth.
Okay, I may have been talking about myself there... well, Jesse resonates perfectly, is what I'm saying. The scenes in his parents' house were heartbreakingly real. I was torn, because part of me really wanted to see him get clean, and begin the long, slow, terrifying journey into living honestly and actually embracing life... so he could reap the immense joy and reward that I have managed to claw out, am still clawing out, bit by bit. But I knew that couldn't happen, not then, if the plot was to continue...
So, no, this show definitely does not make me want to smoke meth again. In fact, I think this show is just right for where I am right now. Good tragedy helps us to examine ourselves, and to recognize what's important, and to remember that we all suffer sometimes; and sometimes as a result of all that, it can actually help us to be more joyful and grateful about our own lives. And Breaking Bad may just be the ultimate example.
....plus, it's well-acted/written/directed/edited etc., and frikkin hilarious!!! Such a wonderful balance of light and dark. Brilliant!
Edited by spiritfox, Jul 28, 2012 @ 11:24 PM.
Posted Jul 29, 2012 @ 8:52 AM
Posted Jul 30, 2012 @ 11:12 AM
the characters always apply way too much flame, so all I can think is "nasty, that's going to be all burnt and gross"
Maybe I'm giving the show too much credit, and they just did that because it looks pretty. But I kind of assumed they deliberately messed the meth-cooking up. In terms of dialogue, the science is accurate, but "do not try this at home".
Posted Jul 31, 2012 @ 2:01 AM
Posted Jul 31, 2012 @ 9:31 AM
Posted Jul 31, 2012 @ 9:56 AM
I'm sure they've taken license with the chemistry to some extent. They've admitted the only reason it's blue is to make it visually obvious.
The interesting thing that has shown up is that Walt uses thorium oxide as a catalyst. This would also make his meth radioactive.
Edit: actually, imagine Saul gets out of this series alive. Imagine that commercial: "Have you purchased radioactive blue meth? Do you have cancer, or are you afraid you might GET cancer? Better Call Saul!"
Edited by JOnanGoopta, Jul 31, 2012 @ 9:58 AM.