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Posted Feb 14, 2012 @ 11:07 AM

I adored the meet-and-greet between the Degenerates and Their Horse.

Yeah, that was lovely. Special props in that scene go to Ritchie Coster who's been doing some superb work as Renzo. His reaction shot in the pilot when the Degenerates won the PickSix was the precise moment I decided to commit to this show come what may.

Edited by noisack, Feb 14, 2012 @ 4:02 PM.

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Posted Feb 14, 2012 @ 11:50 AM

From the recap: "Meanwhile, Ronnie falls off The Old Man's horse (Gettin' Up Morning), breaking his collarbone"
No, pay attention, that wasnt the Old Man's Horse which was set to run 2 days later. It was a "warm-up" mount for Ronnie who hadnt ridden in a while.


That's a good point. I knew Walter was a little too calm for that to be Gettin' Up Morning running around that track by himself.
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Posted Feb 15, 2012 @ 12:01 AM

Sorry if this is a dumb question but can someone tell me if Nick Nolte's character is down on his luck?
I thought he had it going on with everyone paying him so much respect and all. But then they have the scene where he is sounding out the conversation that he will be having with the Irish lass and they show him living in basically a trailer.
I thought he had $$.
Is this horse his last hurrah/shot for money?

Edited by junebug630, Feb 15, 2012 @ 12:02 AM.

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Posted Feb 15, 2012 @ 5:11 AM

I don't think Walter is broke. I may be wrong, but I don't think that horse is about money to Walter. Would I be wrong in guessing that the trailer is a temporary home because racing is a seasonal sport? His real home probably isn't near Santa Anita. Hopefully someone more into racing will weigh in.

I also wonder if Getting Up Morning would already be worth something at stud given who his daddy is. If Delphi was insured for 30 million dollars, it makes me wonder what GUM is already worth. Last episode people certainly stood up and took notice when they got a look at him, so I bet he only has to win a few times to be a cash cow at the stud farm.
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Posted Feb 15, 2012 @ 12:17 PM

Having just caught up with the first 3 episodes: I know it has been mentioned here, and man do I agree with those who say they can't understand half the characters: Esperante, Nick Nolte's character, and the Cajun jockey are the worst offenders. I may have to start watching live so I can put on the CC, since my DVR doesn't support it!

Overall, not a bad start, but I'd still like to see the storylines advance a little faster, e.g. I'm still quite confused about Hoffman's character and what he is trying to accomplish... I love the degenerates though as they bring the funny, and I'm looking forward to seeing what Joan Allen brings to the table. Also loved seeing the Deadwood alums Dan and Jewel.
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Posted Feb 16, 2012 @ 8:03 AM

Here is a Review of HBO’s Luck, Episode 4, Starring Dustin Hoffman

http://www.thedespla...ino.com/?p=1872

In Episode 4, the kaleidoscopic plot of HBO’s Luck weaves in and out focus like the mirrored lens of a kaleidoscope, as the characters pursue one set of goals on the surface, but underneath, have entirely different agendas.
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Posted Feb 16, 2012 @ 12:58 PM

Hmmmm, the only times I haven't been able to understand what anyone is saying is when Walter stops speaking to someone and continues mumbling to himself. When his mumbling is significant to the plot -- such as when he is having his dialog with himself about Rosie -- he does speak quite audibly and clearly.

Re: The status of his finances -- First of all, I agree that he loves the horses, and is not in it purely for the money. My take is that he was formerly a highly successful and respected trainer of a prominent racing stable (forget the name), which was run into the ground by new owners. He failed to prevent or intervene in the insurance killing of his GUM's sire. I think we will find that his deep remorse and guilt over that led him into leaving his profession and probably trying to drown his sorrows for some period of time. So I think he lives a very frugal, 'no frills' existence because of his feelings about 'blood money' and does not have a big mansion stashed away somewhere. But, he strikes me as someone who would not rashly throw away all of his fortune, and it certainly DOES cost big bucks to keep and run a race horse. So, I think he maintained a nest egg that he didn't touch until he somehow acquired GUM.
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Posted Feb 16, 2012 @ 2:30 PM

I still love the hell out of this show, but damn. Richard Kind was veering into Porky Pig territory in the last one.
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Posted Feb 17, 2012 @ 10:59 AM

Interesting little acting subtlety. When Gus and Escalante are watching Pint of Plain work out, notice how inept Gus is (since he knows nothing about horse racing) with his stop watch. It's a neat little bit of stage craft.

Anyone else expecting some kind of interesting race showdown at the end of Season I between Gettin' Up Morning and Pint of Plain?

Edited by CyberSybar, Feb 17, 2012 @ 11:10 AM.

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Posted Feb 17, 2012 @ 4:39 PM

Maureen Ryan's pitch for people to say with Luck. No spoilers but she does speak in vague terms about the brilliance of future episodes.

http://www.huffingto..._b_1285246.html

Anyone else expecting some kind of interesting race showdown at the end of Season I between Gettin' Up Morning and Pint of Plain?


Not until you said it, but it would make sense.

I wonder how much time is passing between these episodes. Has it been weeks or months since Ace got out of prison?

Edited by Egeria, Feb 17, 2012 @ 4:40 PM.

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Posted Feb 17, 2012 @ 5:56 PM

Anyone else expecting some kind of interesting race showdown at the end of Season I between Gettin' Up Morning and Pint of Plain?

Since this show has three jockey characters and three horses, I'm expecting the finale to have a race that features all of them. With the gamblers now owning their own horse, they have everything in place for a climactic race that involves all the main characters in some way.
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Posted Feb 17, 2012 @ 6:59 PM

That makes sense too, but are all of these horses in the same (not sure of the right word) class? I get the feeling GUM is quite young, while I don't get that sense from MG. I get the impression that while Escalante greatly exaggerated the problem with his legs, they really are in jeopardy perhaps? Maybe I'm completely off base, I'm not sure.

One thing I liked was Escalante spelling out exactly what MG needed and letting the degenerates know that he wouldn't let them skimp on so much as a bag of carrots.
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Posted Feb 18, 2012 @ 2:42 PM

I can forgive a bit of confusion in a show, as long as I care about some of the characters, and a few of Luck's characters got to me quickly.

Renzo is my favourite, he got me when he told Goose he wanted to buy the horse for his friends. There's something very childlike and innocent about him, I just feel like I want to protect him somehow. Ritchie Coster is doing an amazing job, the character looks nothing like the actor and it's not just the hair and mustache- his entire posture and facial expression is different.

I also like Gerry, although that's partly Jason Gedrick love left over from Boomtown. Rosie seems like an obvious fan favourite. Leon's cute, and I don't mean only his looks. Getting Up Morning is a character in his own right, as someone already pointed out, more so than any of the other horses. I'm intrigued by the relationship between Ace and Gus, although I haven't decided yet whether I like them.

Kudos to the makeup people, until today I thought Nolte was Michael Gambon (who, to be fair, I'd never seen without his Dumbledore beard until I IMDB'd him).
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Posted Feb 19, 2012 @ 4:05 AM

That makes sense too, but are all of these horses in the same (not sure of the right word) class? I get the feeling GUM is quite young, while I don't get that sense from MG.


In Episode #3, Walter entered his horse in a maiden race for 3-year-olds, which means his horse has never won a race. From the storyline, it seems he has, in fact, never started in a race.

On the other hand, the Pick 6 Posse's new claiming horse, Mon Gateau, is considerably older, at least 4 years old and perhaps even 5 or up. It is mentioned by the vet and by the cowboy trainer (and I think by the degenerates in the pilot?) that he had been off for a couple years from injury, and he could only have started racing at 2. So, doing the math, he must be at least 4 now.

Not sure how old Ace's imported Irish horse is, but if he is 3, he is indeed a potential rival for Walter's horse at this time.

In American horse racing, it is very uncommon for 3YOs to compete against their elders until fall of their 3YO year, when they are bigger, more mature and more experienced. I believe we're to assume from "Luck" that the current story is taking place sometime in the spring, as Walter's horse gears up for his possible run on the Triple Crown trail. The West Coast's major 3YO prep race for the Kentucky Derby is the Santa Anita Derby, which is always held at Santa Anita Park in early April. I wouldn't be surprised to see Gettin' Up Mornin' in a fictional version of that race, and Ace's horse too if he also meets the 3YO age restriction for it.
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Posted Feb 19, 2012 @ 4:11 PM

Very helpful post, Oh Big Woo.

I think we are meeting Mike tonight. It's going to be interesting to see his first post prison encounter with Ace.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 12:10 AM

It's interesting to hear Dumbledore cuss like a sailor. Mike is an interesting rival for Ace, and Ace is making it sound like Dumbledore (sorry I can't call him Mike while Mike from Suits is on the show as well) is going to be the one to kill Israel.

And the Old Man watching his horse race. Wow! Nolte really brought the awesome in that scene.

Jerry is a great character at the track, but he's tough to watch at the Casino. Just painful. And then the trip to a cash game at Chan's? I couldn't watch it. Had to be saved by the degenerates, the worst two of the bunch lol.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 12:32 AM

This last episode (#4) was kind of meh for me. Not much seemed to happen that has not already been covered save for Ace meeting Mike and possibly falling for the Prison Horse Lady.
I did like the juxtaposition of Nick Nolte and GUM's flaring nostrils. Some good acting there from both ;)
Nolte really sold it though how much he loves that horse.
I guess I am surprised that Bug is dating/fucking the Irish Lass. Did I miss their attraction from earlier episodes?
Has Richard Kind's other jockey Ronnie -loped off to skid row already? I thought the scene with him with the liquor, cigarette, and unshaven sitting next to the homeless beach guys was a bit over the top. For a second I was thinking one of those guys was going to be his dad or some other older jockey who lost a mount and then fell into squaller.
I read on another board that some people think he fell on purpose just to score some free pain meds, but I would assume that he could have gotten said from some of the people who hang around the track on a regular basis.
Jerry going to Chan's place to gamble has to be the ultimate stupid move. Although I guess we all knew it was going to happen sometime. Even if he won, which seeing how awful a player he is would be unlikely, that place looks like they would not let him out of there with their money.
Marcus is still hitting them out of the park with his one liners. I like that his character is getting to show some human side with their horse.
Is Escalante trying to trick info from the trainer he is fucking or is she as crooked as he seems to be?
5 more episodes to go - something's got to happen. Sometimes this show reminds me of Lost except they had 22 episodes to lead you along.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 12:46 AM

I read on another board that some people think he fell on purpose just to score some free pain meds, but I would assume that he could have gotten said from some of the people who hang around the track on a regular basis.

I read an interview with Gary Stevens and he did not fall on purpose. It was another jockey's mistake. He gives the play by play of what happened, but it was a little too complicated for me to understand, especially since I don't know some of the terms he was using.

I continue to feel for Walter. He's got too much riding on GUM emotionally. Does anyone understand why he was bleeding? I didn't catch the diagnosis.

I feel bad for Leon too. He looks pretty thin to me. I hope he doesn't end up having to resort to some of Ronnie's methods to make weight.

Rosie has a target on her back now, I hope she's ready for it.

Is Escalante trying to trick info from the trainer he is fucking or is she as crooked as he seems to be?

I don't think she is crooked, because she didn't tell him what he wanted to know. I think he was hoping she would slip and tell him, which I imagine is a breach of ethics.

Edited by Egeria, Feb 20, 2012 @ 12:50 AM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 1:28 AM

I think he was mostly teasing when he asked her about GUM.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 10:28 AM

Someone mentioned upthread that Dumbledore would kill Israel - not sure where that is coming from.

Not sure why Jerry would go gamble at the Chinese place instead of the casino, other than maybe to avoid paying the rake to the casino. Interesting that the casino dealer was there too - wonder if there is some sort of connection with the dealer.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:15 AM

Not sure why Jerry would go gamble at the Chinese place instead of the casino, other than maybe to avoid paying the rake to the casino. Interesting that the casino dealer was there too - wonder if there is some sort of connection with the dealer.


That's what I was wondering too. There seemed to be some silent communication between the dealer and Chan.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 11:31 AM

Does anyone understand why he was bleeding? I didn't catch the diagnosis.

It can be an exercise induced bleed from the lungs. That's why the vet said she would put him on Lasix. Its a diuretic, but for some reason it stops this type of bleeding in horses. Its banned many places in the world but very common in the US.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 1:59 PM

That's what I was wondering too. There seemed to be some silent communication between the dealer and Chan.

Interesting. I wonder if they are in cahoots?
Is that possible in a casino? I mean is it possible for a dealer to give favorable cards to one player or maybe she helps Chan find suckers for later?
Either way, that is definitely not kosher.
And before I forget, Ace's threat to Mike was well done by Dustin Hoffman.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 2:00 PM

Gary Stevens spill at Arlington

This is what a real riding spill looks like on the track. Gary Stevens is one of the toughest dudes walking. (And he has the bluest eyes...)

On a happier note, here is Gary visiting a few old friends in Kentucky. He really loved Point Given - he can never talk about him without getting a bit emotional.

Gary Stevens and the horses

Edited by merlinmerry, Feb 20, 2012 @ 2:07 PM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 3:34 PM

When Chan was taunting Jerry at the casino about his own backroom game, IIRC part of his pitch was to bring in the casino dealer.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 3:47 PM

It can be an exercise induced bleed from the lungs. That's why the vet said she would put him on Lasix. Its a diuretic, but for some reason it stops this type of bleeding in horses. Its banned many places in the world but very common in the US.

Thank you. I looked it up and it seems that after a horse bleeds from the nostrils three times they are disqualified from racing. I wonder if that is still the case and will it be an issue for GUM, if it is?

I wonder if GUM bleeding is Rosie's fault? He wouldn't have had to run so fast, if she hadn't messed up out of the gate. Also, I wonder if it was a mistake for her to let him win by so much? Would it have been better to hold him back a bit once it was very clear they were going to win?

This is what a real riding spill looks like on the track. Gary Stevens is one of the toughest dudes walking. (And he has the bluest eyes...)


How awful. Having two horses run over him in addition to falling. I can't imagine racing again after that. I think Gary Steven's eyes help him in the acting department. They are very expressive. I'm impressed that he is able to tear up on demand as well. The scene where Walter was telling him what happened to Delphi was well done.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 4:53 PM

Sorry for the typical 'male pig' remark, but an episode back or two, when Rosie taunts another jockey by slapping her ass and saying "get used to the view, Darlin'", well, I decided right then and there that I can easily get used to seeing that view for a few more seasons (like her first real race on GUM). Just sayin'! Oh, and then there's the accent. And, okay, her eyes. LOL.

Loved the fourth episode and can't wait for the fifth. I see some serious drama between Ace and Escalante ahead, if that preview clip isn't a red herring. It does seem that Escalante is a trainer who is also a gambler (hence the bandages on MG on a race he dropped the horse down to a lower Claim, then cashed in on some serious winning tickets). So, Ace may have serious concerns, depending on his plans for the horse.

Is initially listing the Bug to run Pint of Plain, then maybe scratching POP in the ep. 5 ride, a double head fake? Ace seems, in that clip, to be serious about developing POP, at least for the time being.

Okay, here's my hope. I hope that Ace's plans to screw Mike do not include harming POP.

Uhh, Nick Nolte is amazing!!
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 5:05 PM

Okay, here's my hope. I hope that Ace's plans to screw Mike do not include harming POP.

I can't imagine it. There are few things on TV that make a character more hated than purposely harming an animal. The logic of that can be debated, but I think Milch is smart enough to know that if he wants people rooting for Ace (and I believe he does) hurting POP for revenge is not an option. I don't think we are supposed to believe that Ace is some sort of sociopath that will pet an animal and then try to kill it. I think Ace is playing a much larger game and POP wouldn't amount to a drop of water in the bucket.
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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 6:40 PM

I don't know what was up with Lady Dealer (seemed like she might work Chan's cash games regularly), but she and Jerry are sooooo getting it on before the season is over. Sure, it might orchestrated by Chan, but still. It's gonna happen.

Ace seems to have quite a bit of respect for the horses, so I can't see him harming POP or any other horse as a way to get back at Mike. Plus, I don't think Mike would give 2 shits about horse related violence either.

I think Ace is playing a much larger game and POP wouldn't amount to a drop of water in the bucket.

Cosign. I think Ace is probably trying for something more along the lines of total financial ruin and complete public humiliation.

I guess I am surprised that Bug is dating/fucking the Irish Lass. Did I miss their attraction from earlier episodes?

I figured they were at least friendly during the pilot when Rosie wished him luck and he smiled back before his first race.

Uhh, Nick Nolte is amazing!!

I know. I watched Warrior about a month ago and I forgot what an amazing actor he is. I love the relationship between Walter, Rosie and GUM. Like, I want to hug it to bits.

ETA: I was looking at some Oscar-related stuff and Kerry Condon (Rosie) is in something called The Shore (it's one of the nominated Live-Action short films) and she stars alongside her Rome co-star Ciaran Hinds. Varys from Game of Thrones is in it too. Heh.

Edited by hardy har, Feb 20, 2012 @ 7:15 PM.

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Posted Feb 20, 2012 @ 6:49 PM

I don't think the horse has anything to do with Ace's revenge plan. The revenge is business; the horse is pleasure.

Based on how desperate Joey's looking and his bar monologue, I wouldn't be at all shocked if he tries to arrange for Rosie to get hurt.
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