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[TWoP Roxy]

No episode description given.

[caitlin claire]

Damn.

I went from not caring one way or another about Tamara to loving her, all in one episode. She is fierce.

Every time I hear the Adama theme from BSG on this show it makes me tear up. That scene was very moving. And can we have more shirtless Sam, please?

Zoe ripping off her own arm was kind of hilarious. I was wondering if they would cut back to human Zoe afterwards, and can't decide if I'm disappointed or relieved that they didn't.

[jcin617]

Just for the record; description was

Tamara befriends gamers while haunting the virtual world; Joseph and Will go on an emotionally revealing fishing trip; Daniel feels compelled to fight for his professional life.

I love this show.
Oh, Daniel... "They'll have no rights, they'll do what we say.... Tear off your arm!" So it begins.

[shapeshifter]

No episode description given.

From Syfy.com:

The avatar of Tamara Adama wanders V-World, scared, lost, and unaware that she died nearly a month ago in the MagLev bombing. Falling in with a group of gamers, Tamara discovers a new side to V-World -- New Cap City, a place where people live random lives of violence and crime in search of the game's elusive meaning. Forced into aiding a digital crime spree, Tamara befriends a young gamer, until she discovers a devastating secret that threatens everything she knows.

Joseph, realizing he hasn't been emotionally present for Willie's grief, tries an impromptu fishing trip to bond with his son. The trip reveals new layers of torment for Willie and lead[s] Joseph to the conclusion that, for both their sakes, he may need his Tauron roots [more] than he realized.

Daniel, after his public promise to forgo future holoband profits, finds himself fighting for his professional life.

Anyway. Awesome as usual. Tamara rocks in V-World as much as Sam does in Caprica. Go Taurons!

Edited by shapeshifter, Feb 26, 2010 @ 10:14 PM.

[Edgeoforever]

Tamara's story is more intriguing, mostly because unlike Zoe's, you don't know where it leads. I had forgotten that all the planets wee named by the signs of the zodiac - that cool vault reminded me. I love each episode more than the preceding one.
Daniel Graystone lied through his teeth to the board as he is unable to replicate his Cylon.

[shapeshifter]

Zoe ripping off her own arm was kind of hilarious.

"Hilarious?" Really? I thought she went from being Daddy's little girl who was proud to save his company to his abused slave.

[dalek sec]

"They'll have no rights!"

And so we begin on that front, atleast we know what might set off the Cylons when the time comes.

"This is our future."

You have no idea how big a part of the colonies future that creation will be.

Tamara at the end walking down the street reminds me of something like a Necron: strong, self healing and will not die. I have a feeling she's going to be the head boss of "New Cap" soon enough.

Edited by dalek sec, Feb 27, 2010 @ 2:58 AM.

[jcin617]

unlike Zoe's, you don't know where it leads

I'm really intrigued by Tamara's story. For Zoe's... during that whole scene with U-87 in the boardroom, all I kept thinking was the Final Five are just 18 light-years away, trying to warn the Colonies against the very thing he's proposing.

[billyez]

This was not my favorite episode. I don't know...the Tauron stuff seems a little forced at times.

I wanted to note that I really liked the theme of "waking up" that was in this episode. I felt the whole "Adama needs to wake up and be a father" was a little predictable, but that's not what interested me. It was that kid that Tamara met in the V-World. When she told him to just take off the holoband and "wake up" to the real world...I don't know, I just felt that whole story arc was well done. It was a far more interesting transformation than Adama's.

[TVspectator]

The speech where he goes "no rights, no sick days, no retirement, no complaints, etc..". I guess its a preview on how the Cylons are going to be treated in the Twelve Colonies.

Zoe ripping off her own arm was kind of hilarious. I was wondering if they would cut back to human Zoe afterwards, and can't decide if I'm disappointed or relieved that they didn't.

Could Zoe refused to ripped her arm off, or is she/the robot body program to do anything Daniel says without questions?

Edited by TVspectator, Feb 26, 2010 @ 10:32 PM.

[sordidheart88]

Could Zoe refused to ripped her arm off, or is she/the robot body program to do anything Daniel says without questions?

I think she didn't want to risk blowing her cover. Remember when she said, "The only power I have is that no one knows I'm in here."

[caitlin claire]

Could Zoe refused to ripped her arm off, or is she/the robot body program to do anything Daniel says without questions?

It seems to me she has total control, but I'm not sure we've gotten a definitive answer one way or another. I've been reading it as she doesn't have to do anything she doesn't want, but for her purposes at the moment it's better that no one knows she's in there or how independent she is, which is why she does it anyway.

Thanks to the magic of DVR I rewatched the robot scene again and..."hilarious" was probably too strong a word, but I'm still amused by it. I don't think Zoe really feels, at this point, super attached to the robot body. She was thrilled when she found a way to get back to V world and away from it. So I don't think having to rip it up really bothered her, since it's not really 'her' body. I feel like it was just another instance where she had to weigh whether it was worth it to just go with the flow or reveal just how sentient she is, and decided ripping the robot's arm off was better than proving she didn't have to.

[No Touching]

I don't know why, but I kept waiting for a Tom Zarek-style massacre when Zoe-Cylon walked into that boardroom.

[MTBradley]

Lovingly rendered Dark City homage or shameless Dark City rip-off? Pretty sweet, regardless! I understand how the structure of the episode necessitated the three plot lines but I would have liked a few more minutes in V-World.

Yay for the proto-Vipers! Yay for Tamara’s Six walk! Yay for letting the set design guys shine!

I obviously enjoyed the episode. But can someone give me a story-internal justification for Sam’s shirtlessness at the ceremony?

[benteen]

"Good-bye, Shannon. Good-Sam, for frak's sake, stop trying to hit on the priest and put your frakking shirt back on!"

Sorry, couldn't help but think that at the sight of a shirtless Sam Adama at the "passage" of his sister-in-law and niece.

It's funny with this show. It takes me a while to get into an episode but I'm usually hooked during the second half. This one is no exception. Loved the whole Tamra in V World stuff, definitely a take-off on Grand Theft Auto. The last shot of her walking down the street reminded me very much of Six. She's trapped in her own Twilight Zone nightmare at the moment and I'm very interested to see how the storyline progresses.

So now we see how the Cylons were enslaved. Good stuff at the meeting and creepy when Daniel asked Zoe-A to rip her arm off. This is the second week in a row that Alessandra Torresani had no dialogue (think she said one word last week) but she's very effective without saying a thing.

Still think Joe Adama is not coming off strongly but the last couple of minutes with him were very effective and they whipped out the BSG bagpipes for good effect.

Would have been kind of awesome if Willie had beaten that guy up with his giant flashlight. In a season 3 deleted scene, he mentions to Kat that kids used to make fun of him because of his sides.

Only in the world of BSG could you say "Let's create a sentient life and enslave it!" and everyone would be fine with it.

[Wrenchwind]

He was probably shirtless so that his tattoos and the stories they tell could be "read".

[shapeshifter]

He was probably shirtless so that his tattoos and the stories they tell could be "read".

Yeah. Right. ;)

[MTBradley]

He was probably shirtless so that his tattoos and the stories they tell could be "read".

OK, I can buy that. It’s still gratuitous but it’s much more creative route to toplessness than the locker room in Top Gun. :–)

[Edgeoforever]

He was probably shirtless so that his tattoos and the stories they tell could be "read".
Yeah. Right. ;)

I think his shirt was made from the same shoddy material Kirk's were in the original Trek - they kept ripping - and sometimes it's not that easy to get a replacement ;-)

[dalek sec]

I was just wondering, what happened to that kid Willie brained with a rock and beat up? He got hit in the head with a fair sized rock.

Would have been kind of awesome if Willie had beaten that guy up with his giant flashlight.

I doubt that guy would be alive considering what he did to the last guy with a flashlight.

[shapeshifter]

I was just wondering, what happened to that kid Willie brained with a rock and beat up? He got hit in the head with a fair sized rock.

Yeah, I was thinking he's looking at murder charges. Wonder what the penalty is in Caprica.

So if not for Amanda's cheerleading, there likely would've been no Cylon war.

The vault opening was reminiscent of the Chinese Olympics opener.

Edited by shapeshifter, Feb 26, 2010 @ 11:40 PM.

[dalek sec]

I was also rather surprised at how they dealt with Tamara and Vesta saying that she owned her. Thought she was going to be trapped with her for the season but they managed to solve that in a hurry, love the embrace those two had and then how she rather skillfully took out all the guards in the room.

[benteen]

My guess is Joe Adama might have paid off the kid's father.

Yeah, Amanda apparently can share some blame in the rise of the Cylons.

Speaking of retro designs, Joe Adama's phone is a phone I saw in a 1960 episode of The Twilight Zone. Fritz Weaver picked up a phone like than in an episode called "Third from the Sun."

I'm sorry when I see this name I think of ROTJ...

"There Is Another Sky...walk...er..."

Edited by benteen, Feb 27, 2010 @ 12:16 AM.

[Hopeless]

I can't quite decide which is more disturbing: "Zoe" pulling off her arm, or Tamara getting shot repeatedly (or the chills as Daniel talks about Cylons being willing slaves, with only the audience knowing both what Zoe is and what Cylons become). But all are part of a compelling story, in my opinion. This show has surprised me by how much I like it, more every week.

[Bad Thoughts]

I am disappointed we didn't get to see Zoe-A after tearing off her Cylon arm. Although she was confused by the order from Daniel, up to that point she clearly enjoyed terrifying the people in the room, which would only be magnified by the stunt. She may learn to appreciate that effect on people, and may give a different dimension to what enslavement means (in some West African societies, the slaves were not laborers, but the state's instruments of violence).

Edited by Bad Thoughts, Feb 27, 2010 @ 12:34 AM.

[shapeshifter]

I am disappointed we didn't get to see Zoe-A after tearing off her Cylon arm. Although she was confused by the order from Daniel, up to that point she clearly enjoyed terrifying the people in the room,

I too wished we'd seen her facial reactions to her father's order to rip off her arm. But then I rewatched and caught the opening previously in which she states that she needs to stay anonymous within the robot, and I noticed how she violently throws the arm across the board room table, which really does show what she thought of the whole avatar-embedded-robots-into-slaves routine.

[TVspectator]

Daniel talks about Cylons being willing slaves, with only the audience knowing both what Zoe is and what Cylons become)

She may learn to appreciate that effect on people, and may give a different dimension to what enslavement means (in some West African societies, the slaves were not laborers, but the state's instruments of violence).

Since Daniel doesn't know that Zoe-A is in the robot he must assume that he has created another Serge; something that will be willing to do whatever he wants. For the "willing slaves" part I doubt that Zoe wants to be a slave let alone a killing machine. I have a feeling that the whole concept of slavery will be base on the Western version (chattel slavery) and not the Sub-Saharan version (which is more often compared to indentured servitude)

Edited by TVspectator, Feb 27, 2010 @ 1:14 AM.

[Kaffyr]

Once again, I end up so drawn into this world that, when the end of the show arrives, I'm completely caught by surprise - even though this week's end shot was more noticeably an ending.

The scene as the Adamas say goodbye to their wife, daughter, sister and mother was really well put together. It was a believable ceremony, and didn't have the "made-up" feel you could risk with something like this. And it felt to me as if Joseph was letting go of a lot more, and turning to things he'd put aside for years. He acted, and looked, a little like a man getting a long drink of water and only then realizing how desperately thirsty he'd been.

So of course he ends up being hauled back out of acceptance and into limbo with that knock on the door.

Tamara's development this episode at first didn't feel as believably organic to me as Zoe's has been in earlier episodes(then again, she isn't. *badump* ) but, the more I've thought about it, the more it has felt right. And, although I've intellectually been reacting to both girls as the Eve and Eve of the modern Cylon soul, this was the first night I really felt it. In fact, I flashed back to hearing Leoben whisper to Roslin, oh so long ago, that Adama was a Cylon. And even though I'm 99.9999 percent sure that there was no real connection between that long ago scene and what I saw tonight, emotionally, it really clicked for me. He just wasn't talking about the right sibling.

My best beloved looked at me and said, "I think her journey is going to be horrifying," and I think he's right.

[benteen]

Loved the faces Zoe-A was making as she went around the table.

In fact, I flashed back to hearing Leoben whisper to Roslin, oh so long ago, that Adama was a Cylon. And even though I'm 99.9999 percent sure that there was no real connection between that long ago scene and what I saw tonight, emotionally, it really clicked for me. He just wasn't talking about the right sibling.

Bill Adama did tell Starbuck that Leoben wrapped in truth with his riddles.

If I recall, Tamara did talk to her mother about punching some boy before the train blew up.

Edited by benteen, Feb 27, 2010 @ 1:13 AM.

[deletia]

So for Tamara, everything in V-world is real. This generally seems like a liability, since (I assume) after de-resing other folks can just jack in again--or not--while she just experiences pain. From the perspective of the other denizens (the ones who know she has no flesh component, anyway), I would imagine she would seem ghostlike and less real.

In New Cap City, though--the place where she's chosen to wait--everyone can only die once, so maybe her relative immortality would make her unreality more like that of a god.

In fact, New Cap City is a pretty great place for her to be: it would be hard for her to accumulate enemies when she can, with impunity, just kill them all off.