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[Nikki125]

This article claims to contain no spoilers, but I think this qualifies as one:

And if you thought there was no room for surprises in a prequel series, you're wrong. You're dead wrong.

I can't say much about it, but let's just say there is a twist coming up, possibly around mid-season or slightly later, that will make your chin hit the floor. I mean, a huge twist. One that involves a death you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever see coming. Even with this hint here, you won't see it coming.

It's a secret that is so big, that it makes the Final Cylon debate and speculation nothing more than a trivia question on "Jeopardy!"

If this is going to be as big as he says, I may have to stay away from spoilers!

Here's another one from an Esai Morales interview:

Esai: In one of the episodes, I have to deal with possibly the most devastating drama that the character has faced yet. You would think after all he goes through it wouldn't get worse, but it gets worse. We take a gamble and it doesn't go well and we basically have to make a run. If I suggest too much, it'll be obvious. I was literally in tears when I read it. I went to bed in tears with the thought that of that happening to me. [In the season finale], there might be a time jump. We might see them a few years later.

So Adama has to go on the run... and then the show jumps forward a few years? All of a sudden, the end of BSG season two feels like less of a big leap forward. I'm wondering if that time jump brings us closer to the brink of the Cylon war?

[AliceLee]

If they time jump forward that allows them to cast a teenage William, which will provide all sorts of dramatic storyline potential between him and Joseph. That's a positive of a time jump. As for the twist, what? Did the real Joseph become a cylon version of himself? Is Bill Adama a cylon? I know we saw a glimpse of Tamara in the season preview.

[Wrenchwind]

So Leoben was right about that after all! :V

[AliceLee]

Could be an out for the seeming age discrepancey. Perhaps "Willie" Adama was Bill Adama's older brother. Maybe Joseph has another child. I'm trying to think what could be so game changing that our jaws would drop.

[Nikki125]

I'm thinking that the death, the big twist, and the time jump might all happen in the same episode and that it all has to do with Willie. I could see Willie dying, which would be another devastating event to happen to Joseph. If that is the case, then Bill would have to be a Cylon. That is the only thing I could even fathom trumping the Final Cylon speculation. And I am all for a time jump if it involves the need for a different actor to play Willie. I think the kid playing him is not that great of an actor.

[Jack Malloy]

I agree that Bill dying and thus being a Cylon in BSG is the only thing that could really justify how big a deal they're making this, but I also don't see how it's possible. He couldn't be a Cylon of the Final Five skinjob variety, so how could he age and procreate?

I suppose it could also be that Bill Adama is not Willy Adama, and that Joseph has another child who he also names William. This would perhaps sate those who think it makes Bill Adama too old (although, Bill Adama not being born yet at all makes him too young in my book) and the fact that Willy Adama has brown eyes.

If you think about it, the fact that he seems too young, goes by Willy rather than Billy and blatantly has brown eyes could have been clues that this isn't our Bill Adama at all.

Edited by Jack Malloy, Jan 25, 2010 @ 3:17 AM.

[Nikki125]

Actually, humanoids can procreate with humans and the FF (Tigh and CapSix, Helo and Athena). But I agree, the pieces don't quite fit to make Bill a Cylon, but the big fuss being made about this spoiler makes me believe it is something more than Willie dying and Joseph having another son. I really wouldn't be that floored by a revelation like that.

Edited by Nikki125, Jan 25, 2010 @ 3:55 AM.

[Jack Malloy]

Well, it would only be flooring because they'd expect you to assume that Willy is Bill, and so you'd be all "But, wait... that can't... what?"

[dirge]

That makes a lot of sense. Willie is the one character who can't die (so we think). And if the real Bill Adama is born later this year, that makes him an 18-year-old rookie in Razor, and 58 (near retirement age) at the start of BSG.

I'm now sorry I ever looked at this thread, and I will never be coming back here.

So, I was really just looking for information about Sam Adama being gay. I hear he's gay.

[Jack Malloy]

Yeah, he's definitely gay, I've heard that too.

[cuqui]

Is Bill Adama a cylon?

I could see Ron Moore doing this.

Alternatively, maybe Tamara A becomes a cylon, ergo "Adama's a cylon."

[Nikki125]

I've been going over and over this in my mind, thinking about this Willie Adama is not Bill Adama idea, and I seem to remember that Bill's mother's name was Evelyn (IIRC, it's mentioned in Hero), but now it's Shannon. Holy crap! I really hope they just decided to change the character's name, but I am starting to think that Willie and Bill are not one in the same. That is really disappointing to me.

[chancellorjake]

I'm not sure if I like, or believe the Willy Adams isn't Bill Adama theory, but it has got me remembering a scene from BSG. Wasn't there a line where Bill mentioned having a Cylon maid when he was a kid? I recall something about him saying that it was great until the Cylon freaked out and tried to kill his mom one morning. That could have been from a deleted scene, though.

Of course, ret-conning in Sci-Fi television is nothing new.

Edited by chancellorjake, Jan 26, 2010 @ 7:53 PM.

[Scrapper]

It's true. I'm sure there will be alot of Adama ret-conning. I think they have little choice. Despite being a drama, BSG was very much an action show. Like any action show you get very little character background unless, it's important to the plot. Caprica is much more soapy. It will have a lot of background in order to show the characters motivations, to create new characters, and to help the audience feel for the characters.

I think it's easier to show characters motivations and connect with the characters when dealing with constant outside conflict because you can show more then tell. I don't think I'm getting my point across very well. But, I hope I got it out there a bit.

In short, changing mama Adama's name is fine turning Bill into a cylon is Not.

Edited by Scrapper, Jan 28, 2010 @ 12:01 AM.

[DigificWriter]

I tried to post this earlier, but the fundamental problem with all of this 'Bill Adama being a Cylon' talk is that RDM and Co. had a chance to pull that particular trigger during BSG's run and chose not to because of the way that it would fundamentally alter the audience's perceptions of the character. I think it's highly unlikely that they'll pull that card during Caprica when they weren't willing to do it during BSG.

[Wrenchwind]

If you really want to make Leoben's "Adama is a Cylon" mean something you can just pretend he was referring to Tamara Adama. :V

[Rebooted Reboot]

I think the twist is that the missing skin job appears and turns out to be one of the character we already know about

or the kill off and replace either of the two leads and replace them with borg type character?

I know that the first 11 eppy's have already been filmed0--so it should be interesting how long they keep it under qraps

[cjuniverse]

I wonder if the POV change (between robot and Zoe) has anything to do with the game changer? What if our perception is wrong?

[Lemurboy]

Well, they could very well kill Willie off, these are the fine folks who brought us BSG after all ... and Joseph could wind up having a blue eyed child. Not so concerned with the age problem in the timeline, seems like there's a bit of latitude there, after all, remember that often in the military it's not so much retirement at a certain age as a term of service, say 30 yrs. Depending on when young Bill actually goes into the service that could put him anywhere from early to late 50's durin BSG, which would actually make sense in light of the flashback ep where he's considering leaving the service and taking a job with a company, -something more likely with someone in his early 50's than someone near 60 who might just muster out and take the pension. Also, during the war, this being Adama, he might have fudged his age and enrolled early.

But, as long as we're speculating wildely, to my mind the real 'shocking, never guess in a million, bajillion years' twist would be Daniel dieing. Killing off your major star would qualify as 'whoa, didn't see that coming', and set Daniel up to become an avatar. If down the line these avatars become the basis for the humanoid cylons, that would go a long way towards explaining what Cavil's grudge against Daniel was, Daniel being the one that kicked the whole thing off originally...

Given RDMs penchant for misdirection, I'm not sure that Daniel playing the piano in last nights ep means anything in particular, but...

Also, I couldn't help notice that the tech refered to the prototype as a 'work of art' and Daniel was an artist...

Just thinking out loud here... :-)

[wrathfulgrape]

I absolutely think that we will see the Significant Seven guest starring on Caprica at some point. The Cylons were able to find a way to preserve body copies and I bet one of them will be Daniel, the Cylon who was killed by Cavill. It makes sense---Daniel trying to find a way to bring back the daughter he loved and putting her into a body and Zoe eventually trying to keep Daniel alive forever by her (or subsequent Cylons she downloaded into) making him one of the Significant 7.

[cwaldo]

And Daniel is Starbuck's father! I don't care what RDM said. It just made sooooooo much better sense than Starbuck is a drunken angel. If they kill off "Willie" I think I might just write this show off. Maybe. Unless Joseph quickly hooks up with someone and has a blue-eyed baby boy within the next year.

[Akvir]

If down the line these avatars become the basis for the humanoid cylons, that would go a long way towards explaining what Cavil's grudge against Daniel was, Daniel being the one that kicked the whole thing off originally...

OK, I discovered BSG a couple of months ago and devoured it in great huge gulps, and need to rewatch from the beginning again, but I'm totally blanking on what this means. What's Cavil's grudge against Daniel? What's the connection?

[cwaldo]

In the very dense exposition episode "No Exit," it was revealed that there was a skinjob Model Number 7 that was named Daniel. Daniel was the Final Five's favorite skinjob creation. Daniel was suppose to be pure and artistic. But Cavil was jealous of Daniel, so he destroyed him and all his prototypes. Whether Model 7 Daniel is somehow the same person as Daniel Graystone remains to be seen.

[chancellorjake]

In the episode thread it was mentioned that Serge has his own Twitter account.

There is something fully awesome and fully disturbing about Serge having a Twitter account. Now, I generally despise Twitter and find it to be a waste, but I'm very intrigued by some of the things that he's said over there.

Especially the mention that the U-87 bodies are very well designed. It would be an interesting twist if Zoe-A found a way to move the personalities of the Serge-type droids into the U-87 bodies. It'd also be interesting of the Droids, that appear to be so integrated into Caprican culture, were the first to side with the Cylons and rebel.

[Reraizure]

I don't believe that they make Adama a cylon. Skinjobs were created by the Final Five in the image of the FF's relatives or loved ones. Cavil, for instance, was modelled after Elen Tigh's father (can you get more icky-greeky than that?). So, there won't be any skinjobs on Caprica and probably no skinjob modelled after a character on this show.

[Nikki125]

Here is a preview clip from the next ep, Reins of a Waterfall with Zoe, Lacy, and Tamara. I'm not sure where Tamara is going, but if it's the V-Club, I think I would rather stay alone in the dark.

Here is another one from the same ep. Joseph and Sam "confront" Daniel about Tamara.

Edited by Nikki125, Feb 3, 2010 @ 4:07 PM.

[ayla687]

These aren't really spoilers per se, but they are things we do know from BSG that could inform our theories:

1. At some point, the problem Greystone has with creating addititional Cylons is overcome and there are large numbers of them manufacured.

2. They are used as slave labor.

3. They get angry and rebel, starting the First Cylon War.

4. The Cylons develop and practice a monothesistic religion. Speculation leads to that coming from the Zoebot.

5. Something happens that makes Bill Adama hate his father Joseph.

6. In BSG, Romo Lampkin refers to Joseph as a great lawyer whose books he read. Considering we currently see Joseph defending mobsters, he does not appear to be a great jurist. My guess is his career will at some point take a major upswing, possibly through his new Greystone connections.

7. The name Greystone was never mentioned on BSG. This leads me to believe that the company eventually either goes under or has its name changed. But you'd think someone would mention the creator of the Cylons.

8. When he is old enough, Bill Adama enlists in the army.

9. On his last mission, Bill Adama discovers the Cylons were experimenting with human/ Cylon hybrids. Perhaps we will get to eventually see these early experiemnts.

10. At some point during the war, certain types of technology (networked computers, AI, even cell phones) will be banned.

All of these are potential plot points we will encounter as viewers during the course of the series. And my bet is that #1 is up first, since Daniel needs to deliver on his contract for a Cylon army.

[AliceLee]

Joseph's assitant who didn't want to get him coffee was named Evelyn. Accident by the scriptwriters or no?

[ShaniquaVan]

The Final5 gave the Cylons skinjob tech in exchange for ending the First Cylon War with humanity. Since that war hasn't even begun, there's no way we should be seeing skinjob tech anywhere in the Caprica series (unless we're actually taken through the war). The Final5 show up to the colonies towards the end of the First War and secretly barter a ceasefire with the Cylons.

All we know is that monotheists are violent agitators, Zoe's a monotheist, and Zoe's a proto-Cylon upon which the eventual Cylons will be built.

Looks like the First Cylon War will be a robo-jihad.

[pilotchasea]

Why is the name Evelyn a big deal?

Sounds like Ellen..eleven... what am I missing?