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Posted Feb 3, 2012 @ 11:48 PM

..And we saw how well that worked out. Tiberius (thanks, I blanked on the name) betrayed them to the Romans who came looking for them. I did not buy the cover story that he gave them.

Whether or not you believed him, I can't debate.

Join them (which is really, to some of them, another form of enslavement) or go free (what is that?)

It means whether or not slavery is the only thing they knew, it wouldn't continue under Spartacus. I thought that was the anvilious message he spewed throughout the episode.

Edited by speedroc, Feb 3, 2012 @ 11:59 PM.

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Posted Feb 3, 2012 @ 11:49 PM

Well I'm sorry to say that wasn't such a great episode and I hate to point fingers but I think a lot of that had to do with our Former Doctore. Good Gosh the character is boring as all Hale. I get why they dragged it out, to give the ending more punch and it worked because that was the best part of the episode for me.

So I assume Lucretia is faking. I can't fault Ilythia if she loses in this little cat and mouse game. Glaber is underestimating how damaging Lucretia can be (understandable since he wasn't in the city to see Battiatus and Lucretia maneuver) but Ilythia clearly remembers and seems like she's been trying to convince hubby to get rid of her since her return. Good to see Ilythia still doesn't trust her.

And Seppius is suspicious of the massacre or at least that's the impression I got. I wonder how much he's told his sister. Seppia seems flighty and spoiled but that's all I thought Ilythia was in Season 1 and look how SHE turned out.

Good to see Ashur again. And I really wish LM could bulk up quicker. I think want's he get's a little more mass it'll be easier to picture him holding these rebels in line. But he's a good enough actor.

It took Blood and Sand a few episodes to get moving so I'm willing to give Vengeance the same chance.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 12:14 AM

I have a feeling that Nasir/Tiberius and Agron are going to be the gay couple DeKnight was talking about.

I did not buy the cover story that he gave them.


It was ambiguous, but you did see the Roman's eyes widen when he saw his lack of collar.

Edited by Thailog, Feb 4, 2012 @ 12:16 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 2:06 AM

I love the fact that the blonde ho pointed out that in her own way, Mira can be seen as just a different flavor of whore. Whether or not that's true is ultimately debatable, but I appreciate the fact that it's given Mira pause as to exactly what role she plays in the rebellion.

The people worshipping Lucretia threw me back to when Xena gave birth to the female Jesus. Lucy Lawless clearly cannot get away from playing unwitting religious figureheads, can she? :p

I have a feeling that Nasir/Tiberius and Agron are going to be the gay couple DeKnight was talking about.


I saw that too, and don't mind it as much as I thought I would. Agron is kind of King Snark in the rebel camp, and Nasir/Tiberius seems like he can put up with/counter that. Nevertheless, I was still hoping that Marcus would just push Glaber into the pool and jump Seppius. I can dream.

I see Gannicus taught his song to the other gladiators before he left. Jeez, that tune is catchy. My cock rages on, my cock rages on...
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 3:18 AM

I can see how they're setting some things in motion for the rest of the season. It took Blood & Sand awhile to get going too so I'm willing to stay with it.

Personally, and maybe this makes me just a gullible as Sparty, but I completely bought Tiberius/Nasir's cover story. There was clearly a tan line where the collar had been. The soldier would not have missed it.

We got more backstory on Oenomaus in this ep, and it was a waaaaay back story. Good to see Titus again. But if all the suffering in the pits was to establish for the umpteenth time that Oenomaus' allegiance is to the House of Batiatus, didn't we already get that? Not only in B&S, but even more forcefully in GotA. I guess we're meant to worry what his allegiance will be now, since there is no more House of Batiatus. He does seem to be suffering a big ol' pile of existential dread along with the physical beatings.

I'm sensing a very, well..."friendly" vibe between Agron and Nasir/Tiberius, although Agron is casting a serious side-eye at the idea that any of the house slaves will ever be effective fighters. And Crixus isn't just rolling his eyes at that idea, he's openly contemptuous of it.

Crixus' has an amazingly narrow view of everything really. He knows what he knows and anything outside of his experience just doesn't exist, can't even be imagined it seems. Ya gotta admire a guy with that kind of focus. He's uber pragmatic. I love how that causes such tension with Sparty, the big dreamer.

Speaking of Sparty, I'm getting the tiniest bit more used to LM in the role. I agree with those who think his bulking up will help lend credibility to his leadership of the rebellion. Within the times this story's set, it's probably far more likely that Sparty was in reality closer to LM's age, but his youth is bugging me a little. And I hate to keep comparing LM to AW, but how can I not? Even the interviews I've seen/heard of the two men, AW had an introverted sort of seriousness about him, whereas LM seems more happy-go-lucky in demeanor. With LM so far, there's just some element of fierceness about Sparty that I'm missing and more muscles may help sell that illusion. Then again, maybe it's just my pervy tendencies hoping for more buffed up man-flesh on display. Apologies.

I hope they run across Naevia soon, or Crixus is gonna have an aneurysm. He already looks half-crazed every time he says her name. I'm glad that someone finally told him that she may not be the woman he remembers by the time they are reunited. Think he was listening?

This may make me sound awful, but can anyone tell if they're using B&S footage for the Ilithyia/Sparty flashbacks of vigorous golden sex goodness? I've assumed they are, but there was a brief shot in tonight's ep that made me think otherwise. AW and LM's physiques are pretty different so I keep thinking the guy in the mask can't be anyone but AW. OTOH, I can be quite blind sometimes.

And I'm sorry, I'm usually a sucker for the romance. But I'm not buying Sparty and Mira the way they're playing it. I was glad that there was an effort tonight to inject some skepticism, at least on Mira's end. And it does seem as if Mira is at least trying to be realistic about things. I mean, heck, if he's going to treat her well and sleep with her in an affectionate way, I can understand why she'd totally get with that, even while being aware he doesn't share quite the same feelings for her as she does for him. But Sparty is acting awfully lovey-dovey for someone who only very recently told her she wouldn't hear a sound in his chest because there was no heart beating in there, which I interpreted as he's still broken up over his wife's demise. It's causing some cognitive dissonance on my part and I'm not enjoying it. I do sense some real chemistry between KL and LM though, so maybe they've just moved the relationship in this direction earlier than TPTB had originally planned in order to make use of that.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 3:20 AM

I was a little disappointed in tonight's show, too. It's not that I mind Liam McIntyre, but ...

I'm really trying but Batiatus and Lucretia were the heart of the show for me and I just cant get into those left behind.


Yes. This. I just really miss the Lucy and Batty Show. I always enjoyed the scheming of the Romans more than the fighting and rebelling of the slaves. Illythia and Glaber have potential, but, up to now, neither has the depth of character of B&L. And it's ridiculous how happy I was to see Ashur just because he's a familiar face.

Overall, I guess my thoughts about tonight, and the new season so far, are: Too much "downstairs", not enough "upstairs", and too much fighting and not enough intrigue.

Also, there's too much blood. Don't get me wrong - I'm not squeamish about gore and can watch the strongest horror movies without flinching, but the producers seem to be substituting buckets of fake blood for actual plot and character development.

I'm giving the season a chance. I know it's hard to replace the lead actor and recreate the intrigue now that the main bad guy is gone, but I hope they pull things together soon and give us more of what made Blood & Sand and Gods of the Arena so compelling.

Oh, and what did Sparty think the slaves he freed would do if they didn't join him? It's not like they had any money or patrons. They can't just pack up, move to Rome and buy a nice condo near the Colisseum. (I know it hadn't been built yet!) All they could do is wander the countryside until they get caught. Then, they would probably be executed on suspicion of having aided the rebellion or, at best, be sold to new masters who might be worse than the ones they had. He offers them a choice that is really no choice.

Edited by A Little Edgy, Feb 4, 2012 @ 3:34 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 7:06 AM

Quickly scrolling past all spoilers because I haven't had a chance to watch yet, but I wanted to ask...

I typically have always watched it OnDemand, rather than live, and it always used to appear on the OD menu all day Friday, not just after the episode is supposed to air, but it wasn't on yesterday, and it isn't today either. (I have ComCast.) Has anyone else noticed? It's also not posted on the STARZ website. Is this not something they are doing any more?
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 7:54 AM

From what I understand the 1st episode was a special promo to jump start the season. I have Time Warner and it has taken a few days at times for it to show for me as well.

I know it sucks, especially with all the money they charge us.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 8:57 AM

I am not understanding why some of you are putting Nasir in front of Tiberius' name?

Oh, and what did Sparty think the slaves he freed would do if they didn't join him? It's not like they had any money or patrons. They can't just pack up, move to Rome and buy a nice condo near the Colisseum. (I know it hadn't been built yet!) All they could do is wander the countryside until they get caught. Then, they would probably be executed on suspicion of having aided the rebellion or, at best, be sold to new masters who might be worse than the ones they had. He offers them a choice that is really no choice.


Exactly. Which is why I think it's naive of Sparty to think that the slaves would be gung-ho to join the cause.

Edited by mochamajesty, Feb 4, 2012 @ 9:01 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 9:16 AM

Nasir is his birth name, Tiberius is his slave name.

I think Spartacus suffers from being brought into slavery as an adult. He had a life. He was a leader in his community. He had a wife. He enjoyed life as a free man more years then he has ever been a slave. Not many of these other slaves can say the same thing. This episode really brought this to the forefront.

Edited by ybrik, Feb 4, 2012 @ 9:17 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 10:46 AM

We got more backstory on Oenomaus in this ep, and it was a waaaaay back story. Good to see Titus again. But if all the suffering in the pits was to establish for the umpteenth time that Oenomaus' allegiance is to the House of Batiatus, didn't we already get that?


I think his allegiance was more to Titus but the episode was used to explain in very good detail WHY he was unable to throw off the shackles of slavery like the others have. He was given a purpose by Titus and for all intents and purposes sold himself to house of Batiatus. Instead of just fighting to stay alive he fought for honor of his masters house, and now he thinks he has no honor no purpose....that's not something he can live with.

..And we saw how well that worked out. Tiberius (thanks, I blanked on the name) betrayed them to the Romans who came looking for them. I did not buy the cover story that he gave them.


I bought the cover story. The Romans saw that he didn't have his collar on and that's the kind of thing that is very suspicious especially with a band of escaped slaves running around. That being said, I'm not sure I completly trust him and the blonde chick either but hey....every group needs some antagonists don't they?

I though this episode was fine for a filler episode. Season 1 took a few eps to get on its feet some I'm willing to go along for the ride and I'm willing to give NewSparty a chance to wow me.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Feb 4, 2012 @ 10:47 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 10:59 AM

I think Spartacus suffers from being brought into slavery as an adult. He had a life. He was a leader in his community. He had a wife. He enjoyed life as a free man more years then he has ever been a slave. Not many of these other slaves can say the same thing. This episode really brought this to the forefront.


I thought this too. Spartacus has only been a slave for a relatively short amount of time and it showed here. He remembers what it was like to be a free man and automatically assumes everyone else wants that too. What does freedom even mean in this world where slavery is all they've ever known? They have no money or connections and nothing to barter with except themselves as blonde girl nicely pointed out to Mira. Sooner or later, the Romans are going to find out what happened at the villa and want to punish someone for it. Sparticus wasn't offering the slaves as much of a choice as he thought he was.

Man, the two-second flashback of Batiatus made me realize how much I miss him in this.

Loved loved loved Lucretia. Does she really have no memory? Is she just bat-shit crazy? Is she just messing with them? I love that Glaber and Illythia don't know for sure and are pretty much afraid to do anything but placate her even if it means buying her a goat to slaughter in their new home.

I'm trying really hard to buy LM as Spartacus. I really want to. But he's still coming off as Sparty's little brother for me. If anyone had told me last season that Crixius would end up seeming like the wiser grownup of the two, I wouldn't have believed it.

Also really liking Agron for his general snarkiness and generally on-point observations. Crixius is really building up Naevia in his mind as the pinnacle of everything he's fighting for (reminiscent of Sparticus and Sura in BOS) and Agron is very likely right that even if they find her, she's not likely to be as Crixius remembers her after her ordeal. And did anyone else get a sense when he and Nasir were talking about their brothers that we're going to find out down the line that Asher is the long-lost brother Nasir was talking about?

Speaking of which, yay for the return of Asher, "a real treacherous fuck." Hee. The man certain never forgets a slight and knows how to nurse a grudge better than anybody.

Edited by nodorothyparker, Feb 4, 2012 @ 11:06 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 11:33 AM

I'm giving the season a chance. I know it's hard to replace the lead actor and recreate the intrigue now that the main bad guy is gone, but I hope they pull things together soon and give us more of what made Blood & Sand and Gods of the Arena so compelling.


See, I didn't even see AW as the lead. I think he was clearly meant to be on paper, but LL and JH completely and successfully stole the show on camera. I loved their complexity...how we could root for them one minute and be disgusted by their actions the next. I always found their relentless pursuit of status completely and utterly entertaining. It was a complete mistake when they started shooting and rewatching the takes to not have rewritten the script to keep them alive. The show needs their moral ambiguity. There was such perfect tension between the three classes..the slaves at the bottom, the new moneyed class from which Batty and Lucy were seeking to rise, and those of good breeding whom Batty truly hated but longed to be part of.

I kept wishing during the hiatus that they would have found a way to keep Batty alive. I didn't even care whether it would be a plausible explanation. I was more than ready to forgive them for a "soapy" resurrection. Imagine if Batiatus was living in some gutter somewhere plotting his comeback and trying to woo back some of the slaves, while the Romans fought against Sparty et al.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 11:48 AM

Definitely a setup episode with all kinds of 'splainin. Why did Onomaeus (sp?) got to the pits instead of where an honor-bater like him would be expected to go, ie with Team Sparty, you ask? Because he had no purpose. Why did he have no purpose, you ask? Because he chose it unwisely, and failed, and so has lost it. Well, now he's in the deep shit, instead of dead. I'm sure we'll get splained his new purpose when he decides he needs to have one quick-like since he didn't manage to die.

Speaking of the catchy erm ... "Gannicus song" I am noticing the that the men are sporting some seriously cartoon sized codpieces this season. It's getting reDICKulously distracting, and not in a good way. Not to mention some of the giant Kirk Douglas prosthetics.

Can I have about 500 more scenes of women bathing each other? Thanks! Illythia getting a handjob was hot.

All Syrians in this show are made of awesome!

Barbie and Mira discussing how most guys can't fuck for shit? Hahahaha.

Lucy Lawless? Doing the best work of her career, IMO.

Edited by TargetDemo, Feb 4, 2012 @ 11:56 AM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 12:06 PM

I thought it was pretty good, actually. I was a bit worried after the first episode that I wouldn't be able to get into it this season, but I can see the writers are crafting another really good story. It's still kind of hard getting used to Liam but, what can you do? Obviously, Andy is gone so there's really no option there and I think they did the best they could do with the recast. I'm sure I'd have trouble getting used to just about anyone else in the role. Still miss Batiatus, but we did get to see baby Batty! LOL! It took me awhile to remember Batty Sr. from GotA but these flashbacks can really help propel the show. Good to see Ashur again, now I'm just waiting for Gannicus to show up.

They did a really good job of casting an actor to play a young Oenomaus. He really did look like him.

I have a feeling that Nasir/Tiberius and Agron are going to be the gay couple DeKnight was talking about.

I got the same vibe.

This may make me sound awful, but can anyone tell if they're using B&S footage for the Ilithyia/Sparty flashbacks of vigorous golden sex goodness? I've assumed they are, but there was a brief shot in tonight's ep that made me think otherwise. AW and LM's physiques are pretty different so I keep thinking the guy in the mask can't be anyone but AW.

When that episode first aired I read that the guy in that scene was a stand-in, not Andy. So yes, it's the original footage but not Andy. I know for sure it wasn't Andy in the full frontal shot, I remember reading he himself said it was a stand-in.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 12:14 PM

I will be astonished if Nasir doesn't turn out to be Ashur's brother! I also agree that it looks like Nasir and Agron will be the male couple DeKnight talked about. Nice.

Edited by Sminky, Feb 4, 2012 @ 12:14 PM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 1:19 PM

What did Nasir say about his brother? I missed that part.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 1:44 PM

@ Meushell. He didn't say much about his brother. Agron asked him if he had any family in Syria to which Nasir replied that he remembered having a brother. Other than that his brother was only mentioned when he revealed his real name, saying Nasir was the name his brother called him by.

Edited by Jojjo, Feb 4, 2012 @ 1:46 PM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 2:05 PM

I have a feeling that the brother that Tiberius/Nasir is talking about is going to be Ashur. Its going to all be kinds of soapy especially if he buys into Sparty's rebellion...but its also going to be all kinds of dramatic especially if he buts into Sparty's rebellion..and finds out how his brother betrayed it.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Feb 4, 2012 @ 2:07 PM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 2:22 PM

Thanks Jojjo.

With all the speculations, I hope Nasir was telling the truth. If he wasn't, he fooled me.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 2:35 PM

We'll just have to wait and see ;). Next episode can't come soon enough!

And I'm with everyone believing that the gay romance this season could be between Agron and Nasir, there seemed to be something there. There is also a "Making of"-clip on Starz website in which there is a scene from a later episode where Crixus is sort of jokingly getting in Agron's face. In it Naevia is standing right behind Crixus while Nasir is standing right behind Agron in the same way. It just sort of looked as if Naevia and Nasir had the same sort of "status", but of course that might just be reading way to much in to things and Agron and Nasir will just be very good friends.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 2:59 PM

We got more backstory on Oenomaus in this ep, and it was a waaaaay back story. Good to see Titus again. But if all the suffering in the pits was to establish for the umpteenth time that Oenomaus' allegiance is to the House of Batiatus, didn't we already get that? Not only in B&S, but even more forcefully in GotA. I guess we're meant to worry what his allegiance will be now, since there is no more House of Batiatus. He does seem to be suffering a big ol' pile of existential dread along with the physical beatings.

This is what I thought the Oenomaus back story was getting at. Though he'd spoken of his allegiance to the House of Battiatus numerous times, the back story really shows how lost Oenomaus is. He thought that fighting (and I imagine, later training gladiators as Doctore) was his purpose. To have it stripped away from him and learn that under Quintus the house became totally disreputable (gladiators being killed by Quintus, Crixus poisoned, etc) would probably fuck with his head.

I think his allegiance was more to Titus but the episode was used to explain in very good detail WHY he was unable to throw off the shackles of slavery like the others have. He was given a purpose by Titus and for all intents and purposes sold himself to house of Batiatus. Instead of just fighting to stay alive he fought for honor of his masters house, and now he thinks he has no honor no purpose....that's not something he can live with.

Exactly.

I am not understanding why some of you are putting Nasir in front of Tiberius' name?

Because that's his birth name.

Lucy owns my heart. Lucretia is giving me life right now...though I sorely miss her relationship with Battiatus.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 5:20 PM

I will be astonished if Nasir doesn't turn out to be Ashur's brother!


Same here; the resemblance is uncanny. I was thinking Nasir's actor had to be Nick Tarabay's real-life brother or son.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 6:12 PM

Well, the actors definitely aren't even closely related since Nick E. Tarabay is Lebanese and Pana is pure Maori.
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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 6:42 PM

Rewatched this week's ep today and Agron was definitely giving Nasir/Tiberius the once (and even twice) over while Sparty is schooling him in the gladiatorial arts. I look forward to seeing how this relationship develops. Also have to say that I'm liking the way Agron seems to be taking over for the dear departed Varro as Sparty's friend, who can snark back at him to help him see reason. Sparty needs that.

Gratitude for the explanations of Oenomaus' feelings of loss of honor and purpose. I guess the scenes of him as a youth with Titus did fill in some blanks about where his allegiance originated. I just sort of felt like that had already been covered in GotA. YMMV.

In a pre-season interview, I think it was Rob Tapert who talked about some new fancy camera rigs they were able to make use of this season and that's awesome for them. However, I wish they'd have scaled back a bit on the use of the phantom camera/slow-mo stuff. For my tastes, there's a bit too much of it. Every fight scene seems to be...one second of action, two seconds of slo-mo, one second of action, two seconds of slo-mo, ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Again, YMMV.

Oh, and Mira honey? If you're having the "where do you see this relationship going" talk with your man, you've overplayed your hand. But I have to give you props for wielding that knife effectively during the fight with the soldiers. Nice to see you get your rage on.

ETA: Oh yeah, and I join the chorus of those who are happy to see the return of Ashur. No good can come from this. And I think I'll love every minute of it!

Edited by shabby doll, Feb 4, 2012 @ 6:44 PM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 8:59 PM

There is also another point that I'm not sure has been brought up. As the three major men of the slave rebellion they each have very different motivations. Sparty's motivation is pure revenge for the death of his wife all other motivations are secondary for him. As for Crixus (who I am liking this season) his primary motivation is love. He wants to find his woman. Once he finds her his motivation may change depending on the state he finds her in. If she is dead then he will go over to Sparty's side and be out for pure revenge and they will be two very dangerous very angry men. If he finds her alive in any kind of sane shape then his motivation might change to something else entirely which would actually be interesting. As for Oenomaus is primary motivation is honor; finding it; keeping it; or losing it for good. Now that it looks like the is in the hands of the Romans we may get to see which he choses. What kind of man he truly is. That will be interesting to see.

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Feb 4, 2012 @ 9:01 PM.

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Posted Feb 4, 2012 @ 9:12 PM

Nightmare Logic That's it.

Can't add anything else.
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You know, as much as I dislike the whole "Women in Refrigerators" trope, I accept that this makes sense as something the male antagonists would do to get at the male protagonists in a severely patriarchal culture like this. I also like that the writers at least try to twist the trope a bit. Normally it's all about the manpain (as opposed to focussing on the suffering of the woman that has actually been hurt/raped/killed) and how it's motivating the guy to get his righteous vengeance on. But as much as Sura, Naevia and Aurelia mainly existed to be sacrificed in this manner, at least the respective men have more going on than simple vengeance for damage done to 'their woman'.
Aurelia's torture and death wasn't used to motivate Spartacus into vengeance, but rather to make him see sense about blindly seeking it at the expense of others. And at least she got to reverse the trope in last season's finale, killing the boy responsible for Varro's death. Sura has been fridged in a very traditional manner (not even getting much of a characterisation outside of her meaning to Spartacus), but Spartacus himself has been hurt and sexually abused. And since this culture doesn't acknowledge that men can be sexually abused by women (though I get the feeling that the writers and actors do, which is a nice change), and the gladiator culture also reveres the tough guy image and physical suffering to the point where he can't seek vengeance for his own injured pride and body without losing masculinity points, he has to sublimate all that rage into the more acceptable vengeance for Sura's death. And as for Crixus, in this last episode and during the raid of the bordello (the prostitutes would have been slaves, not just poor people trying to make a living), I got the impression that part of what makes him so desperate about Naevia's fate is that he can totally relate to being violated that way. It's mostly just in the actor's eyes, though, just like it was whenever he was called to service Lucretia. (Just because she's pretty, she didn't physically hurt him and she deluded herself that the attraction was mutual, doesn't mean it wasn't rape. He was her husband's property and his life was in her hands. He never had the option to consent or refuse, and she didn't care.) I'd be happier if it was actually acknowledged in dialogue, but it's not like this is something he can discuss with the other men without losing what little pride a slave has left. And his control over some of the other freed fighters is shaky enough. Maybe when he finds Naevia. At least he had the opportunity to get stabby with his abuser. Which I think was nicely paralleled in that bordello scene and the reason why, no matter how desperate, he didn't take out his frustration at the death of that slave trader on that poor prostituted slave woman when she did the same. He didn't even seem angry at her. Because he understands.

I'm curious where the show is planning to go with regards to Spartacus and Illithia and their possible baby. I mean, she seems to go the same direction as Lucretia (first despising the idea of having sex with Spartacus, if for much more personal reasons than just that he's a slave, and now becoming attracted to him for... reasons that I can't possibly relate to). And while Spartacus didn't seem to mind being ordered to have sex with a woman as a one-time deal, he certainly felt abused when he found out who it was. On the other hand, it was pretty clear that Illythia was just as shocked as he was, so maybe that rage is still directed at Lucretia. Or maybe he never believed Battiatus when he told him it wasn't his idea.

Edited by VioletVisions, Feb 4, 2012 @ 11:06 PM.

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ganesh

ganesh

    Stalker

Posted Feb 5, 2012 @ 12:59 AM

That was quite a densely packed episode. I actually didn't put 2+2 together and figure out it was Ashur and Lucretia was faking the whole thing until right at the end. I mean it was obvious it had to be him. I was caught up in the Doctore backstory. But, shit, that last eye-life gesture by LL right at the end. Brilliant.

Nod to continuity, in the pit, they showed the "transexual" carrying the bucket up to the emcee. Which I got a laugh at. I put that in quotes because in S1, someone confirmed it was a genetic female with a prosthetic cock. Though in S1 the actor was one armed, but I couldn't tell if it was the same person.

I was actually thinking that the soldier talking to Nasir would have to be an idiot because he wasn't wearing a collar. And looking him right in the eye. But then Nasir kind of pulled it off with the subtle "oh shit" gesture of looking down, played off the Roman's wtf look. Good scene.

If she is dead then he will go over to Sparty's side and be out for pure revenge and they will be two very dangerous very angry men.

I'm actually hoping they find her and then she dies because I want to see a massively vengeful Crixus.

I will train him as Doctore trained me. Oh, that worked out well. Zing! Every gladiator thinks he's a comic.
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RCTina

RCTina

    Couch Potato

Posted Feb 5, 2012 @ 3:41 AM

Regarding that sex scene between Spartacus and Ilythia in Season 1, that was Andy in the scene. However, they used a body double in the scene where you see him standing naked right before Ilythia gets up from her couch.

Whether or not they redid the scene with Liam or not, I don't know.
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