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Posted Oct 27, 2013 @ 7:54 PM

Yeah, it is just that it is hard to define "winning" and "losing" if the goal is not necessarily sustaining one's own actions or existence. In the show, at least, Spartacus claimed victory by simply not being enslaved and allowing thousands to live free while Crassus had to give up credit for putting down the rebellion.


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Posted Oct 28, 2013 @ 9:18 AM

Anyone watch this weekend? Was there anything new added that wasn't shown before to garner them calling it uncut?


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Posted Oct 28, 2013 @ 1:00 PM

I watched, though I didn't have the chance to see the series previously for comparison. Given that Liam McIntyre did everything but flip on a neon "Come gawk at Manu Bennett's throbbing manhood!" sign during his introduction of the 2nd episode, I assume there was more nudity than in the original broadcast?


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Posted Oct 28, 2013 @ 1:03 PM

I watched but I don't really remember the first airings of Blood and Sand, so I cannot tell you what was different. 


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Posted Oct 28, 2013 @ 7:17 PM

I don't know if you were keeping track, but my Blu-ray has the runtime of the pilot as being 54:56, the second as being 52:48 (53:32 with recap), and the third as being 55:10 (55:59 with recap).


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Posted Oct 29, 2013 @ 8:57 AM

So psyched that I can watch from the very beginning!  I missed the Andy episodes, so I'm excited to see him as Spartacus, and how differently he played the role. I also missed all the Batiatus & ludus eps, so I'm interested to see the Batiatus/Lucretia dynamic.  I only saw Lucretia after she was found by Glaber et al in the abandoned house and became the oracle.

 

 

Though Liam did a credible job, I feel so bad, because I still was imagining how Andy would have played it. I know it's wrong! I know it's not fair, but...I can't help it.

 

I only started watching when Liam took over as Sparty, so had no frame of reference.  Having just started watching the 1st season, I love Andy's portrayal as much as Liam's.  Andy played him a bit more dramatically, which makes sense since he's early into his captivity and gladiator training, he's just recently been wrenched from his wife, and has no idea what may have happened to her.

 

The later seasons with Liam were a bit, dare I say, lighthearted?  Not happy, of course, but I guess there was a bit more comic relief, since the rebels were out on their own, were bonding with each other, and there was a lot more action, different cultures coming together, etc.  When Spartacus was still at Batiatus' ludus, he was very much a captive, had yet to prove himself, or have a reputation, etc.

 

And holy crap, do we see a lot of Crixus in the earliest episodes!  Yowza!  I love Manu with his shorter hair.  Though I'm not sure yet how I feel about the first actress who played Naevia. She has yet to get a real personality.


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Posted Oct 29, 2013 @ 10:43 AM

I preferred the original flavor Naevia.  Sadly, IMO Naevia went from one note of sadness and meakness to one note of "ARGGHHH Warrior" ..Bleh.  I just didn't care for Naevia in either incarnation.


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Posted Oct 29, 2013 @ 2:34 PM


I only started watching when Liam took over as Sparty, so had no frame of reference.  Having just started watching the 1st season, I love Andy's portrayal as much as Liam's.  Andy played him a bit more dramatically, which makes sense since he's early into his captivity and gladiator training, he's just recently been wrenched from his wife, and has no idea what may have happened to her.

 

The later seasons with Liam were a bit, dare I say, lighthearted?  Not happy, of course, but I guess there was a bit more comic relief, since the rebels were out on their own, were bonding with each other, and there was a lot more action, different cultures coming together, etc.  When Spartacus was still at Batiatus' ludus, he was very much a captive, had yet to prove himself, or have a reputation, etc.

 

No, that's not it. Andy just had that extra...oomph/passion/something that Liam...just doesn't. For me.  And there were also moments of levity with Andy's Spartacus and Varro, and there was just as much action during the first season with all the fighting with the gladiators.

 

And I think, and it's so shallow, but it's Liam's voice. I've said it upthread--but it always sounded like Liam had a cold and was talking through his nose, which, really distracted me.


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Posted Oct 29, 2013 @ 5:45 PM

So no one knows if they added scenes compared to the blu-rays?


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Posted Oct 29, 2013 @ 8:37 PM

I tivo'd the uncut versions and it looks like they are the Blu Ray versions. The lengths match up.


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Posted Nov 5, 2013 @ 1:37 PM

 

And holy crap, do we see a lot of Crixus in the earliest episodes! 

That's cause you're seeing the uncut version of the show.

 

I also prefer Naevia1.0, her acting was more restrained than the second actress and IMO the original actress was also a lot prettier.


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Posted Nov 24, 2013 @ 3:08 PM

No, that's not it. Andy just had that extra...oomph/passion/something that Liam...just doesn't. For me.
 
Andy's Spartacus had a natural commanding presence that made his leadership of a gladitorial slave rebellion immensely credible.
 
Liam's Spartacus was just as smart, brave, hardworking and diligent, but he was less of a natural born leader than someone who led by example.  Liam's Spartacus struck me as the guy who worked himself up the ranks to become the loyal deputy, only to take the reigns when the original leader was killed or captured.

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Posted Nov 25, 2013 @ 1:35 AM

 

Andy's Spartacus had a natural commanding presence that made his leadership of a gladitorial slave rebellion immensely credible.

I've been reading this thread from the beginning to coincide with watching the uncut episodes and a lot of posters seem to have serious misgivings about him being able to lead a rebellion.  Personally I feel both Andy and Liam had their pro's and cons but felt  Andy was more suited for the Spartacus in the ludus struggling with how to cope with his new environment and the people in it but Liam was the more charismatic of the two and more suited to be a leader of a rebellion..


Edited by bulldawgtownie, Nov 25, 2013 @ 1:41 AM.

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Posted Nov 25, 2013 @ 8:21 AM

It's funny you brought up charisma specifically because it ties to a weird thought I've had dancing around.  I think Andy the actor had more screen charisma while Liam's Spartacus the character had more "in the world they live in" charisma.  That probably doesn't make a lot of sense.  It's sort of akin to Farscape and Bates Motel in this weird sort of way for me; Ben Browder and Vera Farmiga are both great actors but their characters, John Chrichton and Norma Bates, are two of the worst actors/liars ever to be depicted on screen.

 

I do think part of this is the writing though.  Not only were they writing for different actors once Liam took over, but the whole circumstances changed in a way that I think necessitated Sparty becoming more outward than he was while in the Ludus.  I think we'd have seen the same thing in Andy's Sparty, over time.  It still tickles me though.

 

My kingdom for that parallel universe machine.  I've said that while I think Liam was amazing I'd love to see the show that would have happened had Andy lived (and I'm still said his Sparty never shared screentime with Gannicus).  But I'd also like to see  the parallel universe where it was Liam from the get go.  I think it would have been different but just as good.  And that's just how I roll. 


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Posted Jan 12, 2014 @ 6:52 PM

Wow.  I watched this show when it first came out, hated the first several episodes, but stuck with it and had decided by the end of the first season that it was one of my favorite shows ever.  Watched and loved the prequel too, as our villains were nearly as engrossing as our heroes.  Then poor Andy Whitfield passed away.  I had a lot of trouble getting into Spartacus Vengeance as a result, and ended up taking a break for a couple of years.  Then, with the passage of time, the husband and I tried it again and picked up where we left off.  We ended up loving it all over again, and binged on several eps a night until the heartbreaking, thrilling finale.  I agree with the posters back thread who said the Liam was good, but only seemed to be about 75% to 85% the real Spartacus -- right up until the end.  He finally made the role truly his own in the finale.  Spectacular job, just perfect.  Crassus was no lightweight, and let Liam demonstrated the he was nowhere near the man or warrior that Spartacus was -- even in defeat.  And Crassus's victory was entirely that of wealth, numbers, and injustice.  Spartacus was the better man in every way, and both of them knew it.  Perfect.

 

I just wanted to add that I will not watch a spinoff with Caesar and Crassus.  Stupid Caesar's blond, blue eyed smirky gloating does very little for me.  I was disgusted with him gloating up at Gannicus on the cross, commenting about the non-glorious death of Gannicus as though Caesar had bested him.  No, actually, Caesar, you did not.  The reason Gannicus ended up on that cross was because NO man ever bested him, in the arena or the battlefield.  It took a freaking Legion to bring him down.    He was amazing, and a better man and warrior (even falling down drunk!) than any Roman we ever saw on this show.  May Gannicus and his rockstar hair and his warrior girlfriend Saxa rage on forever in the arena in the afterlife.


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Posted Jan 12, 2014 @ 8:40 PM

 

I was disgusted with him gloating up at Gannicus on the cross, commenting about the non-glorious death of Gannicus as though Caesar had bested him.

All I could think of was: dude, you're going to end up getting shivved in a cloakroom by a bunch of politicians. Gannicus will be laughing at you from the afterlife.


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Posted Jan 13, 2014 @ 3:49 PM

Just finishing War of the Damned (two episodes left) and I wanted to say that Caesar is my least favourite part of this season.  So smug, so arrogant.  One of the things I hated the most was that since he is a well known historical figure, I knew that no licence would be taken with his storyline and that he wouldn't die.  When Tiberius forced him to fight that prisoner, it was anticlimactic, because we all knew Caesar wouldn't die.

 

One thing that bothered me, historically, was Caesar ever that great of a warrior in his own right?  I know he had a great military mind ("all of Gaul is divided into three parts" etc) but as a solider/fighter himself, I was a bit surprised that he was the equal of these trained gladiators.  The actor is a bit small and scrawny, so that didn't help with the belief.

 

Granted I still have two episodes left, but do we ever see that Illythia-looking blonde that is featured prominently in the DVD title screens again, after he leaves Rome and goes on campaign?  I think it's Crassus' wife.  The first time I saw her, I actually thought she WAS Illythia.


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Posted Jan 17, 2014 @ 8:50 PM

Granted I still have two episodes left, but do we ever see that Illythia-looking blonde that is featured prominently in the DVD title screens again, after he leaves Rome and goes on campaign?

No.


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Posted Jan 20, 2014 @ 4:04 AM

 

All I could think of was: dude, you're going to end up getting shivved in a cloakroom by a bunch of politicians. Gannicus will be laughing at you from the afterlife.

 

 

I had a similar thought.  THen I went and watched that one episode of Rome for the lulz.  

 

I didn't dislike the actor playing Caesar, though.  I thought he had an appropriate amount of arrogance to how I think Caesar might have been at that age.  His weird pseudo-resemblance to Brad Pitt was a bit distracting, though.


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Posted Jan 20, 2014 @ 9:24 AM

It's funny you brought up charisma specifically because it ties to a weird thought I've had dancing around.  I think Andy the actor had more screen charisma while Liam's Spartacus the character had more "in the world they live in" charisma.  That probably doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

I think that's a good way to put it. When the show started a lot of people, me included, weren't impressed by Andy's Spartacus. He was so isolated and determined to get the hell away from the ludus with Sura that it wasn't easy to see how he could be an inspirational leader and not just the badass fighter. But then the show started letting him be more vulnerable and aware of the greater injustice of slavery, especially after Varro's death, and his final speech felt like it had really been earned. Liam's Spartacus, on the other hand, seemed more open and approachable even when he was going on about Glaber and vengeance. I can imagine freed slaves being less intimidated by him. Andy's leadership charisma was more "we're in the presence of someone exceptional" and Liam's more "he's one of the guys being the best we can be."

 

All I could think of was: dude, you're going to end up getting shivved in a cloakroom by a bunch of politicians. Gannicus will be laughing at you from the afterlife.

 

Thanks for this, I needed something to cheer me up after the mention of Caesar's name reminded me of what a smug, hypocritical asshole he was.

 

In the end, War of the Damned was my least favorite season and a lot of that was due to the villains. The old villains did horrible things but they somehow felt more human. They'd falter and they'd strike back, they'd have their moments of kindness or vulnerability and then they'd go back to being gloriously hateful. But the WOTD villains were mostly just hateful to me. Crassus was the closest to being the Worthy Opponent, but he was annoyingly invincible for most of the season while also being blind to the Tiberius/Caesar/Kore situation and not in a character-building, late-season reveal kind of way like Batiatus knowing about Lucretia/Crixus. Caesar wept for the abused Roman woman yet kept on enjoying the suffering of slaves to the end (I would have liked some form of insight that would have set him apart as a more visionary man than the rest, for example "slavery is going to be safer and more effective in the future if we try to avoid being this cruel", something practical but not necessarily moral like that). Tiberius was a petulant brat who was then made as heinous as possible in an effort to give the rebels a big win before their inevitable doom. How I missed Lucretia and Ilithyia and Batiatus, and even Ashur and Glaber.


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