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Posted Mar 31, 2012 @ 10:24 PM

I am curious how much longer this show's got, especially if they're introducing Crassius (who historically put down the revolt) next season. I spent most of the season expecting Glaber to survive, at least until season three. The show's moving quick through history.

But I'm expecting Illythia to survive.
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Posted Mar 31, 2012 @ 10:32 PM

But I'm expecting Illythia to survive.


Well the show runners already said publically that Ilithyia didn't survive the events of "Wrath of the Gods" she bled out. They could have definitely made it more definitive but I believe it because when she was crawling through the house we see she is leaving a rather LARGE trail of blood behind as she crawls along.

The writers have supposedly finished the first 5 scripts of next season so I assume the curtain has truly come down for Capua Nobles.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 1:16 AM

All Naevia does is flail around wildly with her sword, and it's more than a little hinky that she hasn't been injured more than she has. Even at her most ridiculous flying squirrel frenzied, Mira was much more disciplined all around as a fighter than Naevia.


And she still manages to kill a bunch of Romans by flailing around with her sword? and yes, she came away with no injuries when even Spartacus was all bloodied up at the end there.

Yes, I can see that if it had not been for Ashur being over confident and letting down his guard, then he would have won. But that was Ashur, who was actually fighting against Gannicus last episode and standing his ground. It would have been totally unbelievable if Naevia had won against him in an honest fight. So I can accept the way she won. That was a fight well done.

I can accept Saxa who is supposedly a warrior woman who has apparently been at it a while. I can accept Mira trying with the sword, giving up, and then taking up the bow and arrow as her weapon of choice.

But Naevia is suddenly a crack shot with the bow and arrow last episode and this episode she is suddenly killing a whole lot of Romans with her sword. And in such a short time. Crixus must be an even better teacher than Oenamaeus in that case. He should have been doctore. I can accept seeing her this bad-ass after a possible time jump next season. But it was a bit jarring to see her be this good so soon.

Here's the thing. I can accept the gladiators killing all these Romans, though it's quite a stretch in some cases. But Naevia slashing at the Romans and killing them as easily as these gladiators after little training makes the Romans look terrible IMO. Very incompetent. And these are the guys who eventually defeat the rebellion?

That's why even though I was disappointed with Mira's death, I was happy that Roman soldier was actually able to throw the axe and hit her. That's the only win the Romans have. Even Oenamaeus was taken down by the Egyptian.

I hope next season we get to see some competent Romans, both leaders and common soldiers, and the rebels suffer some losses from the Romans and not mercenaries like the Egyptian and his gang.

Edited by Dicer3, Apr 1, 2012 @ 1:17 AM.

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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 1:59 AM

A long time ago, I used to watch a show called Farscape. Midway through the first season, something happened to me, and I became very emotionally involved in the show. I used to *run* home to watch it, and I wouldn't go out until it was over (it also was on Friday nights.) Since it ended, there really wasn't a show that made me *burn* like Farscape did.

I really like Spartacus, and I'm invested in the show and the story line, but this episode brought that feeling back for the first time in a long time. Like, catch your breath at the end of the show. Clapping. Yelling at the tv. I was totally unspoiled, so I had no idea what was coming. Toward the end, when Lucretia was holding the baby *that she literally cut out of Ilthyia* and standing on the cliff, I was like, she's not going to jump, wait is Ilthyia just going to take the three of them out, no, wait. And I just yelled, I have no idea what's going to happen! With all the crap tv out there, even the good shows are fairly predictable, but fun to watch. It's been so long, but I just had no idea what would happen. And it was so *fun* to have that back.

They even kind of stole one of my favorite lines from Farscape: Oh, you're going to die, but not today. So when Glaber said, "they will send legions in my wake and you will perish." I said, "maybe so, but not today!" Then Spartacus said it and rammed the sword down his throat. Just so awesome.

I was sad to see Mira go, but I get it. KL is a very good actor, and in hindsight, based on her FB, she's been doing a lot of photo shoots and getting herself noticed, and was recently on CSI. I hope she finds steady work soon.

I didn't think Ashur would go, but once Glaber called him out, I was like, no, they just killed Mira. I would have liked him to live, but once the fight started, I was rooting for him to bite it. I mean, I was yelling at the tv: get *up* woman! What a great line too: No, this doesn't make up for the abuse I've taken, but this will still be pretty good cutting your head off! Ha!

Hate is a great motivator.

Oh, yes it is. Hate picks you off the ground when it feels like your body is broken. Ashur got painted into a corner. He clearly didn't want a fight. It seemed like he was thinking that he'd defeat her, and then just leave, without killing her. His own arrogance got the better of him, which it has been brewing all season, and he paid for it.

From a tv show standpoint, it makes sense to wipe the slate clean and off all the "original" Romans. Now, with this victory, the scope gets a lot wider and the stakes are much higher for the Romans.

Loved the moment where Ashur realizes that his own men are willing to sell him down the river.

So awesome. Just: you guys are cunts. It makes sense. He never really was a real gladiator, and so on; always thinking he had more status than what was the reality. They were men who were bought. They moved on to a better offer.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 12:42 PM

I hope next season we get to see some competent Romans, both leaders and common soldiers, and the rebels suffer some losses from the Romans and not mercenaries like the Egyptian and his gang.


The next season(s) will have much of what you wish. One of the things that was going on with the Romans in Capua at the start of this Servile War and which was sort of a blessing in disguise for the rebels was that the bulk of the 'good' Roman soldiers were in Hispania, Africa and other places with Pompey and the other good leaders. It's one of the reasons the rebels were able to slap the snot out of the Romans at first. At this time there were a lot of army deserters too, and not-so-competent leaders, like Glaber and Varinius, apparently.

Because the rebels got the upper hand so quickly, Rome had to bring in competent leadership, like Crassus and Pompey and probably young Julius Caesar.

Someone asked how long this series can keep going since it seems that the war is going quickly.
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Assuming they follow history, which they've done well so far.

Edited by Vinny Vidi Vici, Apr 1, 2012 @ 4:24 PM.

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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 12:56 PM

I thought Naevia was suitably mediocre with the sword, and realistically exhausted after chopping Ashur's head off. While all the slow-mo spurting blood is quite over the top on this show, I like how they portray everyone as dirty, disheveled and tired after fighting.


Except they all, including the Germans, have perfect teeth -- despite all the bone-shattering blows to the face and head and unsanitary conditions that must've existed at the ludus and on Vesuvius. They don't have food but they must have managed to smuggle out some Rembrandt toothpaste, Oral-B floss and Invisalign from Battiatus' secret dental-care stash. And I hope they got some deodorant too because the B.O. up on Vesuvius must be something fierce.

But reality be damned, this show still rocks.
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Posted Apr 1, 2012 @ 2:51 PM

Loved the moment where Ashur realizes that his own men are willing to sell him down the river.


Over this last season we've watched two stories run parallel, that of Spartacus learning to be a leader of FREE men, and Asher try to become a leader of Slaves. I loved how in the temple we see Asher preen about his impending elevation to dominus of the "House of Asher" and his plans to make his men the core of his Gladiator camp. Where they could fight and die for him.

But once they were offered land by Glaber, each of his "faithful" turned on him.

Compare this to Spartacus.

By the time Asher made his way up the mountain with his praetor's ultimatum... "Turn over Spartacus and live as slaves or die." NONE of the men or women of Spartacus' small band turned against him.

Bravo, Spartacus, bravo.

I can't say enough about our Lucretia. I figured she'd steal the babe, I figured she'd probably perform a "c-section" to do it. I NEVER figured she'd kill herself nor the manner in which she did it... but AS she walked to the edge of the cliff, with poor Illythia crawling desperately after them... my heart lurched and whispered to me... "She's going to jump. She's going to end her life on HER terms." and by the godz she DID!

It was almost pretty, too. Her just falling backwards, the train of her gown trailing after her as she fell... and Illythia falling dead at the side of the cliff.

At the end of "Kill Them all" season 1... Batiatus died with his eyes open.

That's what I noticed about this finale... BOTH Illythia and Glaber died with their eyes open.

One wonders... did they regret the choices made that brought them to that point?
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 12:44 PM

Lucretia did a C-section? I wouldn't think that Illythia would live long enough to drag herself all the way to the cliff's edge.

Way to go show. Kill off all the interesting female characters and leave us with boring, stick armed Naevia.

Sorry to lose Doc O too.

I guess I'll be back next season even though a lot of my faves didn't make it out alive.

Women should definitely steer clear of Spartacus though. Sleep with him and you eventually end up dead.
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Posted Apr 2, 2012 @ 4:55 PM

In my college town, many years ago, the local police followed a blood trail in a snowstorm to a surprising source. A deranged woman who had performed her own C-section at home and then "took a walk".

So... I can easily see Illythia crawling after a deranged Lucretia in a last attempt to save her baby.

My biggest fear, after losing so many great characters, is who will they replace them with? I guess, after 3 great seasons, I should give them a little faith. ;-)
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Posted Apr 3, 2012 @ 3:09 AM

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Posted Apr 3, 2012 @ 4:45 PM

DeKnight confirmed on his twitter that Lucretia performed a C-section he said that Illythia was "gutted like a fish."
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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 8:51 AM

I didn't know for sure Illythia was dead from what was showed on the screen either. I think it was a good choice to kill off the "original" Romans though, fitting in with the Vengeance theme of the season. However, I hope they can find more gorgeous women for next season!
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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 9:02 PM

I just finished watching the first couple of episodes of season 1 and its funny as hell to see Sparty and Glaber make eyes at each other. I also realized how much I missed Varro, I often wonder how he would have mixed with the run away slaves. Ashur was devious from day one and his rivalry with Crixus was there from the first moment they spoke....It was fun to watch knowing how that came about. (Its also interesting that Sparty and Crixus didn't like each other at first considering how good friends they are at the end of season 2) I laughed at the beginning of the Lucretia/Illythia storyline considering these two basically die in each others arms. Man it was fun to watch them all in the beginning. The first two episodes were slow but hey.....it gets better.....boy does it get better,

<---Post updated to add that I love that this show has continuity...episode 3 Crixus makes that remark to Naeva about cutting a man's head off his shoulders. Continuity is the best isn't it?

Edited by Nightmare Logic, Apr 4, 2012 @ 9:23 PM.

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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 10:13 PM

Nightmare Logic: It was interesting in one of the early episodes of "Spartacus: Blood & Sand" that Glaber threw Spartacus' wife dress tatter into Spartacus' cell. Spartacus dropped to his knees on the floor to grab the piece of cloth and Glaber remarked "The Thratian knows his place on his knees before me". A rather homo-erotic statement. Then in the last episode of "Spartacus: Vengeance" Glaber is forced to his knees by Spartacus and Spartacus makes a similar remark. Then Spartacus shoves that sword down Glaber's throat. So there is a bit of a homoerotic undercurrent between the two men. I am surprised there isn't a whole lot of slash fiction stories about a Spartacus/Glaber hookup.

I think "Spartacus: Vengeance" had a terrific finale. I am glad Spartacus finished Glaber relatively quickly, it showed he was moving on and was satisfied that Glaber's death was enough vengeance without a whole lot of torture. The sword through the guts would of finished Glaber fairly quickly, and while Spartacus shoved the sword down Glaber's gullet, he flashed to his wife's rape, and her death, and seeing the life drain from her eyes and then to see Glaber's life drain from his eyes, it was as if to say let's end this...this is the only vengeance I need. It showed a difference between the two men, Glaber would definitely stretch out Spartacus' death. Spartacus knows that a new chapter begins in his life and it will be interesting to see where they go next season. I think the evolution of devolution of Glaber this season was every bit as necessary and interesting as what Spartacus was up to. Craig Parker is an excellent actor and he pulled the character off to perfection. I was quite impressed with Liam McIntire as well; he has done an admirable job as Spartacus.

It was good to see Naevia get her vengeance, Ashur had it coming and she had the line of the year in response to Ashur saying "My death will not be enough" and she responds "It's a f'ning start".

As for Lucretia she was just so coniving I am glad she isn't on the show anymore. The one thing I wished was different on the finale is if Illithia's child was to have survived. I kind of like the idea of that child perhaps it was Spartacus' child surviving. The baby didn't seem to matter to Spartacus' not even to whisper to Glaber before he killed him that his child would be raised with Glaber's money, that sure would of been a big FU to Glaber as he died.

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Posted Apr 4, 2012 @ 11:25 PM

It was good to see Naevia get her vengeance, Ashur had it coming and she had the line of the year in response to Ashur saying "My death will not be enough" and she responds "It's a f'ning start".

As for Lucretia she was just so coniving I am glad she isn't on the show anymore. The one thing I wished was different on the finale is if Illithia's child was to have survived. I kind of like the idea of that child perhaps it was Spartacus' child surviving. The baby didn't seem to matter to Spartacus' not even to whisper to Glaber before he killed him that his child would be raised with Glaber's money, that sure would of been a big FU to Glaber as he died.

No one has ever responded to anything I have posted or murmered a word of welcome, but I assume that maybe one person might find my posts of interest.


Welcome T.Saurus2.0. After learning that Lucretia would be returning for the second season I was in disbelief. I wondered what could she possibly bring to another season. I felt that the character was done and should have died in season 1 as they had originally intended. After viewing season 2 I still feel the same. If Lucretia had not been around I would not have noticed her missing at all. That said I did appreciate the irony of her being forced to have sex with Ashur. It was usually followed up with a Crixus/Naevia scene. Poetic justice. I never felt any sympathy for her at all. She spent years raping Crixus and what she did to Naevia was true horror. I will not miss her next season.

While I think that was a truly horrible way for the baby to die I did not want there to be any child out there of Spartacus'. He showed no interest in the child at all. Which is good because I do not want any ongoing arc about Spartacus trying to recover his child from the Romans. That would be a show killer in my opinion.

Edited by Mikita, Apr 4, 2012 @ 11:25 PM.

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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 6:57 AM

<---Post updated to add that I love that this show has continuity...episode 3 Crixus makes that remark to Naeva about cutting a man's head off his shoulders. Continuity is the best isn't it?


He already said it in the first season. That is was not an easy task to sever a mans head.

Glaber is forced to his knees by Spartacus and Spartacus makes a similar remark. Then Spartacus shoves that sword down Glaber's throat. So there is a bit of a homoerotic undercurrent between the two men. I am surprised there isn't a whole lot of slash fiction stories about a Spartacus/Glaber hookup.


I never thought about it that way. It actually is rather homo erotic. Which could turn in a whole other discussion about sexuality as power and dominaton vs sexy fun times and reproduction.

I hardly ever post here, I mostly lurk but Welcome T.Saurus2.0. I find your posts rather interesting. You have a great perspective.
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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 9:40 AM

If Lucretia had not been around I would not have noticed her missing at all.

I didn't really think about that, but I kind of agree. There was little that she really did that could not have been delegated to other characters, other than maybe killing the baby. And at the end, she wasn't her own woman, she was still tied to the memory of her husband. She lived until she could do one last thing for him, and she killed herself. Not to say that she did not contribute to the story in terms of drama, but she was not as necessary in terms of plot. I guess that she showed the worth of an unattached woman in that society. I guess that there was that. And it would not have been the biggest work-around storyline that the show had to do; that would be the prequel.

Illythia was more of a necessary character to bring back, as she was tied to Glaber. And, of course, with what Lucretia did to her, there is pretty much no chance that she lived. At the same time, in terms of plot, there was no real reason to kill her. Yes, cutting the baby out would be a quick way to get him as opposed to wait through the labor, but it was not necessary. Other than that, though, the only real reason for killing her off would be to quash any expectation of seeing her again, even though her contribution to the story was over. She could have survived somehow and the show just doesn't care about her anymore...or maybe she does return somehow much later on. Put her on the ancient Roman equivalent of a bus.
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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 11:11 AM

Mikita: Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. When it comes to Lucretia, I didn't so much mind her being on this season, it was just her pursuit to find a way of getting rid of Glaber that irritated me. I know he did a lot of horendous things this season, but it was of paramount importance for Spartacus and Glaber to have their final battle. He became every bit the monster, the seeds for it were there all along. It was a heck of a ride the de-evolution of Glaber. Lucretia seemed very much the chess master, manipulating Glaber, Illithia, Seppia and the gullable who believed she was blessed by the Gods. Lucretia's rape by Ashur was disgusting and humiliating and there is no justification for such an act; but the irony was so thick you could cut it with a knife. Irony meaning a person who sent Navia away to be raped, all to sooth her jealousy that Crixus actually loved Navia, and would never have that kind of affection for her, and she herself raped by a man who's only true love was himself.

Chysalis: Thank you for welcoming me to the forum. I know I am rather naughty, but since this series is so serious, I kind of dreamed up a scenario if the show could spoof themselves. Picture this the Vesuvius temple circa 85 BC or whatever it was. A man is led in with a sack on his head, Mira and Saxa have captured him, saving him from being bumped off by some dufuses hired by Illithia. The girls thinking maybe Spartacus might have some use for the guy. I get a laugh imagining the character is played by Graham Norton and he is a very, very, very, very gay Roman.

"Oh, Spartacus, what a big sword you have"
"I bet you know how to use it too"

Then the guy dashes off to the fourth pillar and say he is starting an orgy.
No takers, at all
He peeks out and says "I validate parking"
About eight guys run to join the orgy.
He peeks out again and says "I got a sack full of live gerbals I can shove where the sun don't shine"
All the rest of Spartacus' gang run in with the exception of Mira and Saxa.

Spartacus heads that way too, "What can I say girls, live gerbals are so much better than dead ones"

20 minutes later the very, very, very, very gay Roman comes dashing out, grabs his cell phone and calls up Glaber.

"Glabs, are you listening biaaaatch, I wore them out, time to move in".


I know it is totally rediculous but that is what my imagination came up with. It is a very serious show and I would just love it when they release the DVD that they had some bloopers or a spoof of themselves.

That movie "300" was pretty dang serious too, but "Meet The Spartans" was quite a good spoof response.


On a side note just imagine throwing an orgy and you were the only one who showed up. I kind of laugh and blush at the same time when I hear or read the phrase "sexy times", it is just such a funny phrase and a little naughty too.

Graham Norton got in my head for that role, I was thinking of the episode where he had Anna Paquin on as a guest. It was such a funny episode, and these guys from South Africa sang a song to Anna Paquinn via Skype or some other web video thing a ma jig, and there was this one line that was something like this:

"We were worried that Graham would steal her away"
"But he is gay"
"Make that very, very, very, very gay"

That episode had me rolling on the floor laughing.

And something to remember all you people who write ROTFL. Bill Bailey on a GNS episode said it should be "ROTFL YSST" which stands for "Rolling On The Floor Laughing, Yet Still Somehow Typing". Sorry for getting off topic, and I hope I haven't done too much harm.

I just got thinking Elton John, Nathan Lane and Alan Carr Chatty Man could do a lot with that role as well. I got to leave for awhile I am remembering that scene from "The Bird Cage" where Robin Williams is asking Nathan Lane to walk like John Wayne. Oh that funny rediculous walk, and Nathan asks did a do it right and Robin says yeah, I just didn't realize John Wayne walked like that. It was the funniest part of the movie and it is replaying in my memory.

Sorry back to Spartacus, I was highly critical in my viewpoint of the series this time around, but the final episode wrapped everything up so well, and when I reflect back overall it was an excellent season. It was sad to have lost Andy Whitfield, the Big C. sucks and has cut so many lives short. He did a lot with that role, and he convinced us he was Spartacus. I don't know if our generation will see it but wouldn't it be wonderful for the big C. to be laying in an imaginary arena as we cheer from the stands and know it had been vanquished at last, and throw it vileness into the sewer for the vermin to reduce it to faded memory.

Edited by T.Saurus2.0, Apr 5, 2012 @ 10:49 AM.

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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 2:15 PM

My biggest fear, after losing so many great characters, is who will they replace them with? I guess, after 3 great seasons, I should give them a little faith. ;-)

I'm a bit worried about this too, although I did eventually warm up to Seppia and Seppius. Not so much with Varinius. While I enjoyed this season, the showed suffered with the loss of John Hannah and Andy Whitfield. Their performances were real selling points in B&S, and the former in GotA. But what we retained was the same great writing, and as long as they keep up the great writing I think the show will be OK. It's going to be a further blow to lose Viva and Lucy but I do trust the writers to come up with compelling new characters next season.
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Posted Apr 5, 2012 @ 8:29 PM

Fantastic season review from ign.com
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 12:42 AM

Did anyone spot Donar in the finale (or in the last two or three episodes, really) ? He got a mention or two, but as far as blonde, bearded support characters go, Nemetes (who's supposed to be a German and Saxa's current dude?) seems to have replaced him for lines and screen time. Actor Heath Jones is credited with the full 10 episodes, but I realize that doesn't guarantee he showed up for filming of all of 'em (plus his scenes could've been cut).

Donar was sort of the "third" of the wiser, level-headed among the rebels at first this season (after Spartacus and Crixus), before O came back into the fold and Agron matured. I never looked into where he came from, if they picked him up in their raid of the ludus that Nasir came from or what...or if he was supposed to be a previously unseen background slave/gladiator from Batiatus's ludus in Capua, but I [i]was[i] watching to see if he'd get an arc and 'cause I thought he was nicely rugged.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 6:12 AM

He was one of the unseen gladiators. He was making wisecracks in the opening scene of the season and of course had the 'You had me at whores'line when they raided the whorehouse later in ep 1.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 8:39 AM

It's true. He has a B on his forearm that has been visible in many episodes.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 9:56 AM

Anyone think they will bring Illythia back for season 3? She "died" almost identically to the way Lucretia did in Season 1. When they focused in on her face as she "expired" she had exactly the same expression that Lucretia did when she supposedly died from having a child cut from her womb.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 10:15 AM

There really (as even DeKnight said) isn't a reason for them to. And at least with Lucretia we saw her hand twitch a little as she lay there. Not saying it would stop them from changing their mind regarding Ilithyia, but I doubt it.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 10:41 AM

Anyone think they will bring Illythia back for season 3? She "died" almost identically to the way Lucretia did in Season 1. When they focused in on her face as she "expired" she had exactly the same expression that Lucretia did when she supposedly died from having a child cut from her womb.

Unlikely, I think. She is not really relevant to the story anymore, and it would be a bit of a contrivance to have her influence the next people to go after Spartacus. They already brought back Lucretia, and Illythia's situation was even worse. That said, if Stephen and Co. decide to bring her back, she could have a cameo somewhere towards the end of the series.

He was one of the unseen gladiators.

We can pretend that he was just off screen in Blood and Sand.
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Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 1:41 PM

Just a brief note in defense of season 2 Lucretia.

I thought she truly was integral to the season, and not only as back board for the other actors to play off. The character, like prequel Gaia, reminds us how low the female Roman citizen ranks without spouse and male heir to complete her. Illythia was attractive to Varinius because of her Father and HIS wealth/political power, but with his death she lost the political supporters and the money. Did The Senator's wealth automatically flow to Glaber on the death of the Father in law or to the state. Either way... Illythia didn't have it and Varinius would have nothing to do with her.

Lucretia, already bereft of wealth, husband, son is a perfect example of what pawns women were in that society. Merely a play piece to be passed around to whatever man Glaber wanted to reward... much like what Batiatus did to Naevia after Lucretia was done beating her near to death. The similarities between the two are as striking as the differences between Spartacus' love for his wife and Glaber's "love" for Illythia. Spartacus was willing to fight/kill a thousand men standing between him and his wife, whereas Glaber isn't willing to give a wagon of armor/etc to save
his wife.

But despite being pawns, Lucretia AND Naevia both show us that they still have choices. Naevia could learn to fight her demons with a sword/ a bow, or even just her courage/tenacity. Lucretia could fight them with her (addled) mind. BOTH women in the end chose how they preferred their stories to play out. Naevia was willing to die on her knees for the chance to strike back at the man who orchestrated her downfall. Lucretia was willing to die by her own hand, once she avenged the man around whom her whole world revolved... against the woman/family who orchestrated his death.
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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 3:55 AM

This is going to be a long wait for season three. I'm already going through Friday night withdrawals :-(
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RoboPirateCat

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Posted Apr 9, 2012 @ 10:41 AM

The similarities between the two are as striking as the differences between Spartacus' love for his wife and Glaber's "love" for Illythia. Spartacus was willing to fight/kill a thousand men standing between him and his wife, whereas Glaber isn't willing to give a wagon of armor/etc to save
his wife.


To be fair, at that point Glaber's relationship with Ilithyia was pretty much on the rocks, with Ilithyia trying to abort 'their' child and leave him for Varinius. And it wasn't that Glaber didn't want to trade the wagon, it was that he wanted to kill Spartacus more than he wanted to save Ilithyia.

I wonder if things would have gone differently if it had happened after Ilithyia saved Glaber from Seppia and they got back together, though.
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ybrik

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Posted Apr 21, 2012 @ 8:20 PM

Didn't see this posted here but here is a set of photos the cast did for an upcoming coffee table book by one of their directors TJ Scott called "In the Tub".

http://www.flickr.co...157625670731438
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