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[TWoP Roxy]

From zap2it.com:

Mark, Demetri and Wedeck try to connect Janis' attack with a separate attack made on them; Olivia confronts Mark about his experience; Demetri and Gough track down a clue from Mark's; Dylan goes missing from the hospital.

[Bussy]

Is it just me, or did the man Simon was killing look like Bryce? That would be an interesting twist.

There were so many truly wonderful scenes in this episode: Lloyd dressing Dylan as a pimp; the pimp on the bus sticking up for the kid; Demetri and Gough on a mission together; Aaron as Obi-Wan and Mark as a pirate (Mark in dad mode is beyond adorable); the scene where Janice wakes up and talks about Mark being an OCD freak. I have also decided that I love Agent Gough almost as I love Wedek.

I really loved the way the Olivia/Lloyd/Mark thing came to such a head, and Lloyd finally looking around at his surroundings was perfect! Well-done, show! I loved Olivia’s, “Did you even hear what you just said?” Though I felt like their marriage dissolving was a little rushed.

All in all, I think this was the best episode yet. Improved pacing, better dialogue, realistic human relationships and reactions, fewer scenes of brooding.

Why was everyone in the cemetery Jewish? And it was fun to see the kangaroo again!

[Crowgirls]

So are the blue hands an homage to FireFly (best show ever)?

To me it looked like Simon was killing D. Gibbons.

And if Charlie is in the kitchen with Dylan, how can she say it was the "end of the good days" and that "D. Gibbons is a bad man?"

Color me confused but interested.

[pacejunkie]

Why was everyone in the cemetery Jewish?

Because it was a Jewish cemetery.

I liked last week's episode better than this one. Maybe my expectations were too high with all the Dom Monaghan hype, but there was too much Benford angst and not a lot else that we didn't already see from the previews. The Benfords are boring. The scenes with Simon (apart from showing us he had a flashforward) didn't really tell us anything new. Again he and Lloyd reiterated they were in some way responsible for the GBO which was already revealed. It feels like it's getting formulaic every week just following another lead on Mark's board.

And I just have a pet peeve with Halloween episodes of any show. I hate how all the costumes look like they came out of a Hollywood studio's costume shop and makeup department.

[NextRev]

"Two by two, hands of blue"... are we trying to channel Firefly now? If Gina Torres straps on a gunslinger's belt, I'm so gonna start cheering!

And show, please stop: I get it -- Olivia and Mark are acting out all the reactions that we see sci-fi characters have, when they get a glimpse of their future. Stop it, now. Ok? Really, I get it, already.

Oh, and Olivia & Mark: if you don't want the FFs to happen, sell the damn house, ok? Don't leave a forwarding address. Have a lovely life hating each other, too...

Janis crying because she can't have a baby? Not terribly realistic, but then again, maybe we don't know we want something until we're told we can't have it...

[lilith1930]

Man, Mark was being a jackass tonight! I'm glad Olivia called him out on it. Imagine how Olivia will feel if she finds out the man she will potentially be boning is responsible for the flash forward. And people sure move fast in this show - living together, with kids, after a few months?

I actually disagree - felt this was my least favorite episode so far. Seemed kinda slow.

And am I being too fangirly, or was that John Cho singing the end song? Last week at karaoke, he was singing more jokey/drunk, but the guy singing tonight- that's how he sounds on his album.

Loved the bus thug, too.

And Maya's a hell of a stalker, finding Janice in the hospital to send flowers. Although I guess the attack probably made the news.

And also - please show, no more naked hobbit sex. I'll bake you cookies if you stop it.

Edited by lilith1930, Oct 29, 2009 @ 8:10 PM.

[MissMoneyBags]

I'm a little over the ~ironic~ music cues, but otherwise, solid episode. I think they mostly avoided the "55 minutes filler, 5 minutes shock" structure that's been plaguing the show - I was actually interested in pretty much all of the storylines. Well done, show.

I really loved the way the Olivia/Lloyd/Mark thing came to such a head, and Lloyd finally looking around at his surroundings was perfect! Well-done, show! I loved Olivia’s, “Did you even hear what you just said?” Though I felt like their marriage dissolving was a little rushed.

This, SO much. Their mini-confrontation was a relief, and I actually enjoyed seeing all three actors in the room together. Fiennes did the "going to kill you for banging my wife" face really well. Jack Davenport killed it, though; I am really liking him on this show.

Loved Demetri and Gough solidly kicking ass. The scene in the morgue was really unsettling (as scenes in morgues tend to be). Cho continues to have chemistry with anybody he's put in a scene with.

Oh, and I think Brian O'Byrne deserves special credit for delivering the kangaroo line with a straight face.

[pacejunkie]

And am I being too fangirly, or was that John Cho singing the end song? Last week at karaoke, he was singing more jokey/drunk, but the guy singing tonight- that's how he sounds on his album.

I think it was Rufus Wainwright.

And also - please show, no more naked hobbit sex. I'll bake you cookies if you stop it.

I'm okay with it. Some of us think he's sexy. ;)

Edited by pacejunkie, Oct 29, 2009 @ 8:16 PM.

[Audacity]

Aaaahh -- Kangaroo!! What's up with that? I still say the kangaroo knows something.

Now I'm utterly confused about Charlie's FF. Was it good, bad, what?

Could have done with less Benford angst.

And now I want to know what the hell is going on with the Blue Hand Group.

And also - please show, no more naked hobbit sex. I'll bake you cookies if you stop it.

Yeah, definitely, not more of that. Though what must it be like to be on the bottom of a compromising position and the one on top telling you about the person he murdered? Not good.

[Coconut]

I think they did the smart thing here with whether or not the future can be changed. Janis is told it's very unlikely she'll have children but in her FF she was pregnant. So either she will get pregnant because now she'll try to get pregnant therefore making her FF true or she won't be able to get pregnant in 3 months. They didn't make it impossible they just made it unlikely so it could now go either way now.

But I think she should tell that to Demetri. I'm kind of upset they didn't have any scenes especially after he told that story about them at Quantico. Him hearing that Janis' FF is up in the air might make him slow down a bit.

I'm glad Olivia finally called Mark a hypocrite, he's been annoying me since he found out. Way to be an even more immature child then the acutal childeren. Are we supposed to like Mark or root for Mark? Because they are making it extremely difficult. At this point I don't blame Olivia for hooking up with Lloyd.

Simon looks to be an interesting character and I wonder how many of them are involved with the GBO and why they wanted to cause it?

I think I'm finally really interested in this show.

Edited by Coconut, Oct 29, 2009 @ 8:29 PM.

[TheRabbi]

I dont know. For me this show started is fading every week. You know how a lot of people watching Lost in seasons 2 and 3 said "Enough of the bullshit, give us some answers"? Well thats kind of how I feel with this show already. I know that that's a really stupid thing to say so early in a show's life, but I just dont really care about any of the characters at this point and the main mystery is about the only reason I'm hanging on. I might be gone in another couple weeks. The Benford family drama is dominating the show and I can't stand it.

[pacejunkie]

The Benford family drama is dominating the show and I can't stand it.

I agree with you there. It's been the most tedious aspect of the show since it began but unfortunately they are being treated as the main characters above the ensemble. It's like how Lost became all about Jack, Kate and Sawyer after the first season and I started hating it then. They really need to save the relationship angst for shows like Grey's Anatomy.

[tkdgirl]

Wow, that was an extremely intense episode! The opening was just amazing.

And Janis can have children after a b-lynch. But the kitty in the hand story was so relevant to everyone's storyline.

Loved it!

[Aden Blue]

Definitely over the Benford drama. I'd rather see Janis and Maya together again than watch Mark and Olivia act out the inevitable.

What was that song playing at the end? It sounded familiar and I told myself I'd remember the lyrics so I could look it up, but naturally I forgot.

Edit - Figured out it was Across the Universe.

Edited by Aden Blue, Oct 29, 2009 @ 8:44 PM.

[MissMoneyBags]

Are we supposed to like Mark or root for Mark? Because they are making it extremely difficult.

I'm OK with Mark as long as other characters keep him in check (Demetri, Olivia, Wedeck, Janis, Senator Meanie... geez, long list). It's going to really annoy me if Mark eventually saves the day and everybody apologizes for ever questioning him, because he is acting like kind of an ass right now.

The other moment that slightly bugged was when Wedeck semi-apologized for wigging out on Mark, and Mark kind of gave him the "it's okay, bro" face. I was like, whaaaa? This conversation should be happening the other way around.

[ms imaginary]

mr imaginary and I both looked at each other during that ridiculous quarrel in the kitchen and said, "This is killing what should be a good show." Neither of us particularly care if the Benfords stay together at this point. He's a jackass. First keeping the truth about his ff from her when she was totally honest about hers. Now yelling at her for an affair she's doing her best not to have. I haven't seen that he's given anything to their relationship, and wouldn't blame her for dumping him. I do like the other storylines, for the most part, but I'm not sure the show's going to hold up well enough to sustain the suspense, especially if it's all Benford soap opera. I want to like it. I really do. But that was just a stupid, cliched scene.

[Bussy]

The other moment that slightly bugged was when Wedeck semi-apologized for wigging out on Mark

I know! WTF? Wedek was 100% in the right for yelling at him? That annoyed me. And it's nice to see you outside the Heroes boards, MissMoneyBags! :)

I meant more if the fact that it was a Jewish cemetery was relevant. But on second thought, probably not. It was probably just the easiest cemetery the location people could book. *shrug*

[Driad]

New rating system for TV shows: Minus 10 points if they use Schroedinger's Cat badly. Minus 10 points if they do CPR badly. Minus 100 points if they do both at the same time.

[sweetpd7]

I really hated how the camera interspersed two storylines, flashing back and forth. I found it disconcerting. Simon, I suppose he's the grand villian, has such a thick British accent I had to rewind 3 times to get the quantum physics story to the girl on the train. Is he killing the girl, recreating the actions of his FF story? I couldn't tell if she was terrified or dead when they showed her face.

Simcoe must be the scientist with a conscience, trying to distance himself from the FF that killed so many people. But, methinks Simon is not going to make it easy.

I'm interested in the blue hand, but not much ultimately was revealed. I'm with another poster upthread, all for the mystery. And very tired of the Mark and Olivia angst. Olivia seemed pretty final in her pronouncement that there was no trust, she seems ready to put a stake thru their relationship now. I'd be all for that if it meant we'd see them all less.

I really like Mark's sponsor. More of him Demetri, the young black guy (don't know his name), Wedeck. But I'm still in for the long haul. There's a lot in here that makes me want to scratch my head, or bang it against the wall. Still, I'm holding out for a interesting reveal on the secret and more information on the FF.

[MissMoneyBags]

And Maya's a hell of a stalker, finding Janice in the hospital to send flowers. Although I guess the attack probably made the news.

Hah! I couldn't tell if Janis' dismay at the flowers was "OMG, I've been outed in front of my boss" or "Good Lord, this woman will not leave me alone."

I know! WTF? Wedek was 100% in the right for yelling at him? That annoyed me. And it's nice to see you outside the Heroes boards, MissMoneyBags! :)

Oh hey Bussy! Long time no see! :)

[AimingforYoko]

Simon, I suppose he's the grand villian

I don't know if he's the grand villian yet. Sure that look of joy on his face after he killed that guy doesn't look good, but maybe he had it coming. He definitely had the swagger of a man who usually is the smartest man in any room he enters, doesn't necessarily mean he's evil.
I agree that the Benford drama is the weakest part of the show. I guess they're trying to personalize what happened because it's so big it's hard to wrap your head around. I did love the, "Hi, Dylan. Hi, Charlie." like they'd known each other their whole lives.

[SanLynn]

Aaaahh -- Kangaroo!! What's up with that? I still say the kangaroo knows something.

Charlie's reaction to that was priceless. I loved that.

I thought the Mark/Olivia/Lloyd runup and reveal was well done except for Mark's jackass attitude about it. Olivia was right on in the double standard he had going.

Other than that I'm still loving this show. And I didn't even mind Dominic Monaghan and, normally, I'm not a fan.

[cycat]

Color me surprised, but I'm finding Dominic Monaghan more than adequately menacing as the still-hazy Simon.

And YAY for Olivia pointing out what a hypocrite Mark is being.

[jmarrise]

I couldn't tell if she was terrified or dead when they showed her face.

I was confused by this as well. Are we supposed to think that he killed her? And if so, that and Janis not being able to have a baby tells us the FFs may not come true, right?

[MichaelFi]

I don't know if he's the grand villian yet. Sure that look of joy on his face after he killed that guy doesn't look good, but maybe he had it coming. He definitely had the swagger of a man who usually is the smartest man in any room he enters, doesn't necessarily mean he's evil.

I'm not sure if he's the Big Bad but he's definitely evil. His associate told him they killed twenty million people, including his associate's wife, and he didn't seem bothered. Only a sociopath wouldn't react in a situation like that.

[sweetpd7]

I was confused by this as well. Are we supposed to think that he killed her? And if so, that and Janis not being able to have a baby tells us the FFs may not come true, right?

The girl on the train had a vision and told Simon off camera. Maybe it's ambiguous since we don't know for sure she's dead. She could have also been lying about her FF. For instance, she could have thought she slept thru her FF, has been lying about one to have a story to tell.

So unless they show her again or Simon speaks of her, we'll never know for sure that she proved anything by her death. Janis also has a slim possibility of getting pregnant.

Everything is so opaque. I'd just like a few more facts.

[Lynn44]

The Benfords are driving me insane !! Neither of their FF have happened yet and they are ready to throw in the towel...

I agree so much with what was said above, sell the house and change things as much as you can around you. Stop playing into it !

Dylan and Charlie also confuse me, they seemed really happy to see each other and there was nothing to even remotely give a clue, that they may have experienced something evil together.

[MissMoneyBags]

IIRC we've still only seen Dylan's flash forward, when he was wandering around the Benfords' kitchen. I guess it's possible that D. Gibbons appeared at the end of Charlie's flash forward and did something evil, although her reaction to Dylan still seemed way too calm. If something evil happened in her FF, you'd think Dylan's presence would at least trigger the memory.

[cadiai]

I think it's more haunting if we don't know whether or not the train girl is actually still alive. Though this episode definitely did do a good job of establishing the fact that Simon is a pretty creepy guy.

Found this episode to be a continued step up; I think (hope) that the show is starting to hit its stride. It's starting to get to some of the points, even if those points are just the interpersonal stuff and we aren't quite back at the global catastrophe/conspiracy(?) yet. And at least we've seen some of Charlie's flashforward now... Wonder if Dylan was there for the bad part of hers, or if he was too busy staring at the fridge the rest of the time.

God help me, but I might just be warming up to the Benford drama a little. Not too much, I swear, but - yeah. I just thought the scene with the three of them all together in the same room as understanding started dawning on everyone was really well done and handled in a fantastic way (the same can't necessarily be said for the aftermath, but at least it's a start). Though Mark is indeed an ass. Thank god Olivia isn't taking it and called him out on his hypocrisy.... God, Mark's really a douche.

The "almost impossible" line regarding Janis and her ability to get knocked up has me concerned, and I'm not sure if it's in a good or bad way yet... It's a good way of leaving a hint that a flashforward might not necessarily come to be, while still leaving the possibility of determinism open. But my god, I really don't want her to have a kid, she's such a great character... I had no problem with her sudden crying though (at least she acknowledged that). It felt natural, given all the factors.

I want a more Demetri-centric episode, though. Please. Pretty pretty please. He's awesome and as everyone's been saying, Cho has chemistry with pretty much anyone. If they want to use him to flesh out the secondary FBI agent characters then go for it, it's sure working.

[Lynn44]

although her reaction to Dylan still seemed way too calm

Yes, in light of the way Charlie reacted to seeing Dylan in the hospital the first time.

Edited by Lynn44, Oct 29, 2009 @ 10:06 PM.