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[TWoP Mars]

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Nancy learns of Esteban's fate and takes action to preserve her own. Andy makes a big change in his life. Dean, Doug and Celia find common ground. Silas helps Adelita with a disturbing medical issue.

[Last Time Lord]

I was not expecting that.

I'm kind of scared of Shane, now. He's starting to remind me of Dexter from Dexter.

He's just so...numb, now.

[Sister Magpie]

Did not see that coming.

But I did always think Shane was the one who was like Nancy.

You can jump in any time there, Silas. He's definitely off the deep end.

I did kind of love Andy running away. There could be a twist to it, of course, but I kind of hope not.

Loved Adelita and Silas.

[Amanda Rachel]

I guess I wasn't expecting the ShaneBreak in motion to be so immediate, because shocker. Whoa.

[MyEyesSee]

Now THAT was a surprise. Let me pick my jaw up from the floor.

[AzulVerde]

Since the first season I've always thought Shane was one creepy kid but damn that was unexpected.

[Femvamp2009]

Ok that was fun. Do we have a psychopath in the making or just a gansta? Either way me likey. A long way from Shane from season 1....and yet....

Plus Celia has a team. This outta be good. Love that Isabelle is the brains.

[isiscloud]

Nancy gets out of her problems scot-free again. Deus ex Silas, although I supposed it wasn't too surprising. I was a lot annoyed at her for being so pissy about Esteban's mayoral run. Hello, he married you over Pilar's objections and she's even tolerating Nancy (and you can't blame Pilar for being pissy about having a hit put out on her by Nancy with one her own men - Guillermo).

Nancy's gloating over Adelita's addiction wasn't pretty considering how Shane's turning out. Esteban seemed so destroyed by the news.

Being a target of a cross-bow was a deal-breaker though. Although I can't blame the guy. He didn't sign up for that!

Deperately Seeking Nancy/Celia is good for a laugh or two but glad they didn't do too much with that.

ETA:

This outta be good. Love that Isabelle is the brains.

Someone in that group had to be.

Sanjay moving closer to Ignacio and Ignacio moving away.

Edited by isiscloud, Aug 31, 2009 @ 10:19 PM.

[Taiade]

good. unexpected ending. WOW

[Zif]

It's funny that I can forgive any ridiculousness that Celia and Doug get up to, because Elizabeth Perkins and Kevin Nealon are just that good. I loved their scene while Doug was tied up: "You're tied up. Bottom (points to Doug), top (indicates her own awesome self)."

Andy bolting was horrible and hilarious, especially after his statement earlier in the episode that he was "fucking steel." Ha!

I really, really want to be okay with Esteban/Nancy, pretend the rape was rough but consensual sex, and overlook all the stuff that makes me hate the pairing, but then Esteban goes and does shit like insist that she not wear his deodorant. Controlling asshole, much? So much for his Ralph Kramden phase. It's not the first time that he's claimed ownership of her body--the rape, for one--but I thought they were past that bullshit. Andy had it in one when he observed that the bloom is off the rose.

He freaked out at Nancy "smelling like a man" because in his head she was more of a man than he was, so he had to make this big show over something as pathetic as her not using his deodorant.

Possibly. If your insecurity and fear of being emasculated lead you to be a controlling asshole, you're still a controlling asshole. Sadly, Nancy has lowered her expectations of men to the point where she doesn't care anymore. Men are weak, so they have to be indulged even when they're taking it out on you.

Celia in various types of Nancy drag is the funniest sight gag on Weeds in a while. I almost died at her heavy eye makeup and leather jacket at the team meeting.

Nancy's gloating over Adelita's addiction wasn't pretty considering how Shane's turning out.

Seriously. "A neglected child is a neglected child." Does Nancy even listen to herself? To be fair, though, Esteban did imply that he had done a superior job raising Adelita. Not so much, as it turns out.

I thought that Andy/Audra and Nancy/Esteban had put the kibosh on Andy/Nancy, but the writers seem really interested in milking the weirdness between them for all that it's worth. As Jacob pointed out, though, the quality of an episode is directly proportional to how much Andy/Nancy is in it, and I really liked their scenes together. I do have to wonder at Andy's inability to extricate himself from Nancy, and vice versa, considering his two farewells--in 506 and 510--and his bitchy takedown of Nancy in 512. I'm kind of with Esteban when he wondered "Why is he always here?"

"Isabelle Hodes...brains." Awesome. I'm glad where Season 5 ended up on the Dean/Doug/Celia front, even if getting there was painful and involved a lot of inane B-plots.

Edited by Zif, Aug 31, 2009 @ 11:01 PM.

[pele2102]

So Shane kills people now, great I'm out I don't care anymore. Seriously Esteban still did a better job raising Adelita, murderer trumps junkie every time.

[Sister Magpie]

then Esteban goes and does shit like insist that she not wear his deodorant. Controlling asshole, much? So much for his Ralph Kramden phase.

I thought that was all about showing that Esteban was weak and powerless. He freaked out at Nancy "smelling like a man" because in his head she was more of a man than he was, so he had to make this big show over something as pathetic as her not using his deodorant. She felt sorry for him so gave in.

I admit, I would be surprised at anybody in Nancy's position not gloating a little after Adelita's introduction of general superiority. However screwed up her sons are, they may possibly be the closest thing to non-weak men on the show. I say "may be" because I don't know where Shane's at right now. I'm not counting him out yet, though.

Didn't somebody once say that each season is sort of based around a genre? Last season was a western. Wonder what this one was.

[Hamhock96]

I guess that they pulled back from "Nancy may be killed by Esteban" to consider what would be worse: your child turning into a pyscho killer courtesy of your bad behavior. Nancy is damned beyond fear of death. Where can they go?

Well, Andy, nice while it lasted, but Alanis' commitment to the series is up and the two of you are over.

[bobbyjoe]

Didn't somebody once say that each season is sort of based around a genre? Last season was a western. Wonder what this one was.

Considering the feelings of quite a few (former) Weeds fans this season, I'm guessing "torture porn."

[jade76]

Saw the Guillermo/Pilar connection a mile away. Did not see Shane coming, wow. Great surprise ending. Where are they going to go with his character now though? He just keeps going more over to the deep end and I see no one trying to pull him back.

[Hamhock96]

Considering the feelings of quite a few (former) Weeds fans this season, I'm guessing "torture porn."

Good call, bobbyjoe.

[Last Time Lord]

So Shane kills people now, great I'm out I don't care anymore. Seriously Esteban still did a better job raising Adelita, murderer trumps junkie every time.

Pilar was verbally threatening (promising, really) to have Shane and Silas killed in an "accident"

What Shane did was self-defense.

[Chicago]

Didn't somebody once say that each season is sort of based around a genre? Last season was a western. Wonder what this one was.

Given the moments of hilarity interwoven with, at times, shocking violence and drama, I'd say Pulp Fiction.

Example: I was still giggling at Andy's quip about Intervention when they cut to Esteban's shattered expression. I felt so wrong!

[gnocchi]

I think we need a new Tubey category: Best "Holy Crap" Ending that, in Hindsight, was Telegraphed a Mile Away.

They've been setting this up since the start of the season, yet it still managed to shock the hell out of me. Good job, show.

[MustBeThursday]

Technically it was Pilar that caused Shane to be shot too, and she was threatening him and his brother. I'm not surprised at all. I think the real concern is how little he seems to care about it.

[Zif]

I'm surprised that Shane, who had been badly injured in his left arm, could wield sufficient force to lift a croquet mallet, let alone swing it hard enough--using his left arm as the swinging arm--to kill someone.

While I'm nitpicking, "Actually, with the accent, it's 'yunkie.'" Well, technically, with the accent, it's "hunkie." I choose to chalk it up to Andy's ignorance of Spanish rather than the writers' laziness.

Example: I was still giggling at Andy's quip about Intervention when they cut to Esteban's shattered expression. I felt so wrong!

Me, too. I also chuckled at Andy's earlier attempt to console Esteban upon learning that his daughter was pregnant: "Oh, come on now. I hear she speaks three languages."

Alanis' expression when Andy ran out on her was classic. It wasn't so much fear at being left alone with a crossbow-wielding Gail as...chagrin? Embarrassment? Awareness of the excruciating awkwardness? Maybe Gail has threatened her with a crossbow before. Alanis Morrissette had said in an interview earlier this season that the writers had left the door open for her to return, and so they have, but I can't imagine that it would be as Andy's love interest. Abandoning you to the mercies of a crossbow-toting lunatic? That's a dealbreaker, ladies!

ETA: Jenji wrote this, not Stee.

Edited by Zif, Sep 1, 2009 @ 12:26 AM.

[purplefishy]

Hey, this was another of Stee's episodes. Nice. And I think the ending was my favorite part.

[Last Time Lord]

Was it? I thought that was last weeks and this one was Jenji.

I need to rewatch and pay closer attention to the credits.

[purplefishy]

He's listed as executive story editor. Which given I know nothing of how this goes, to me it's Stee's episode. Ha.

[frostedglass]

I had sort of checked out partially in the previous 2 episodes before this finale. Was Nancy trying to have Guillermo kill Pilar or Esteban? I was thinking it was Pilar, but Nancy's body language seemed repulsed by Esteban in this episode,and I was glad to see that.

I liked the going back to the roots thing with Celia building her team like Nancy did.

The ending? Well I have to agree with most of what I've seen in previous posts and think it was a great, holy shit! moment

[Love2Hate]

I long for Conrad and simpler times.

[swampy]

LOVED the episode. Brought it right back around to the tone of season 4, which I really enjoyed. Pilar getting hit at the end by Shane was telegraphed, and someone suggested that Shane would kill Esteban over in the spoiler thread, so I sort of expected him to be involved in the twist, but I was totally fucking floored at that ending.

I hope Alanis will be back for a long time next season. This episode especially demonstrated that she really adds something to the show. She blends in seamlessly and I would hate to see her go (almost as much as I hated seeing Andy run away. Seriously?!)

I'm disappointed that Pilar is dead (assuming she is, in fact, dead). I was hoping she'd be the Big Bad for season 6, as she was a deliciously evil cunt of a character, especially at the end there.

I LOVE where Celia and team are placed for season 6. Using this plot to mirror, and hopefully shed some light on, Nancy's early days is genius. It really highlights the stark contrast in what she was and what she's become. I really hope they get the mileage out of this that I think they can.

Guillermo is still the wild card. He's the scariest person on this show, and now he's off Pilar's leash. I'm curious to see what happens with him and Nancy now, especially since Pilar might have shed some light on Guillermo's true emotions (is he really pissed at Nancy? She'd better hope not).

I agree with the poster above who said this season was pulp fiction. Definitely how I'd classify it, maybe with a dash of noir-ish tropes thrown in for good measure. I'm curious to see what the genre will be for next (the last?) season.

All I got for now. Really good episode, can't believe we have to wait nine months (again!) to see what happens next.

[luvdave]

Was Nancy trying to have Guillermo kill Pilar or Esteban?

She asked Guillermo to kill Pilar, and asked him to speed it up this episode. My read was that she was generally disgusted with the fact that Pilar had the goods on Esteban.

I wonder whether someone else has access to that information. Guillermo, as a contingency?

With Pilar out of the way, will Nancy will get over her displeasure with Esteban's weakness? I guess a lot will depend on the immediate reactions to and aftermath of what Shane has done.

[JLHSmurf]

I'm surprised that Shane, who had been badly injured in his left arm, could wield sufficient force to lift a croquet mallet, let alone swing it hard enough--using his left arm as the swinging arm--to kill someone.

Remember, Shane doesn't have a problem with pain.

Excited to see Sanjay! But it does make me miss the old gang.

[honeycocoa]

Wow, that was good. Crazy, but good. Shane killing Pilar was totally self defense and how the hell are they going to get out of that? Croquet mallets are usually pretty damn heavy, he wouldn't have to swing it all that hard to knock her out, then she just drowns.

(Please, have them flee to Humbolt, please)

Fun to see Sanjay & yes I still miss Conrad too. This show needs an even keeled person just for contrast.

I was hoping Silas & Adelita would get together, just so we'de get to see some more of Hunter Parish

In one of those Jenji interviews on showtime she said this is the Quentin Tarntino season. - they're interesting bythe way.

Ok this season had a really rocky start, but it got better. I'd dump Estiban & Guierllmo any time, but I'll keep the rest of them.

Edited by honeycocoa, Sep 1, 2009 @ 1:17 AM.