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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 8:21 PM

I have to comment on the fact that Finn said that Rachel's dads were sitting shiva. For her? For her career? Seriously? And we wonder why Rachel has issues.
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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 8:36 PM

Oh, her fathers are 90% of her problem. It's easy to see that they were incapable of telling her "no" about anything, or giving her any sense of boundries or foundation in reality. Mouring the "death" of Rachel's dreams is absolutely the worst thing they could have done for her. She needed a talk the way Burt gave Kurt after the WSS auditions - that she's talented and if she lets this be the end of her life-long dreams, then she has no chance of surviving in the theater.

I've been through the audition mill myself and have friends who are still in the business and it is brutal. You get rejected sometimes for no obvious reason. You've got to be tough and pick yourself up and move on. NYADA is hardly the only avenue for Rachel to have a career, but she's going to have to open herself up to other options and steel herself for the ton of dissapointment coming her way.

Rachel spent too much time believing that Broadway was waiting for her arrival with baited breath. Now she just got slapped in the fact with the reality that she's just one of thousands of others with the same dream and Broadway couldn't care less about Rachel Berry. It's a harsh lesson, but if she can get through it without letting it shatter her, she might have a chance.

Edited by Ranwing, May 1, 2012 @ 8:37 PM.

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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 9:28 PM

Now she just got slapped in the fact with the reality that she's just one of thousands of others with the same dream and Broadway couldn't care less about Rachel Berry.


Hasn't Rachel been slapped with that reality about 4 times this season?

Anyway who is going to go put money down on Rachel still not getting in?

I think we can at least let Rachel have a day or two of sadness doesn't mean she won't bounce back. She has had rejection before and has bounced back.

Edited by jmcb, May 1, 2012 @ 10:55 PM.

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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 9:48 PM

I have to comment on the fact that Finn said that Rachel's dads were sitting shiva. For her? For her career? Seriously? And we wonder why Rachel has issues.


That was funny… I like when Glee remembers it's a comedy. Rachel's opening monologue was also hilarious. I appreciated that in an episode where Rachel gave us some utterly heartbreaking moments, she was also hilarious. Lea does both comedy and drama so well, so any episode that highlights both is a welcomed.


Hasn't Rachel been slapped with that reality about 4 times this season?

Anyway who is going to go put money down on Rachel still not getting in?

I think we can at least let Rachel has a day or two of sadness doesn't mean she won't bonce back. She has had rejection before and has bounced back.


Rachel is continuously pushed down… but she always gets back up and I doubt this time will be any different. Rachel has proved herself time and time again, things don't come easy for her, and she's been made to work harder than most... so this wasn't all that surprising. I've been expecting it all season. But we still have a few episodes left… plenty of time for Rachel to prove she's so amazing that not even Whoopi Goldberg (forgot her character's name) can deny her entrance to the school of her dreams.

Edited by Sadie T, May 1, 2012 @ 11:46 PM.

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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 9:59 PM

When has Rachel been continuously pushed down regarding her voice/dreams? Rachel is constantly stroked at home and school for her talent and everyone assumes she has it in the bag. Rachel gets slapped around plenty for personal stuff, relationship stuff, but not her career aspirations. She clung to that like a life preserver all these years to get her through all her other crap and now she just lost it. Unfortunately, they're going to have her come back by getting Carmen to watch her at Nationals and bam, she gets NYADA on a silver platter without a lick of effort or probably growth on her part at all, so... :/ (It'll just be a fascinating anecdote for her memoirs, right? "Those two weeks where I thought I might not actually get a Tony someday!")
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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 10:12 PM

I have to comment on the fact that Finn said that Rachel's dads were sitting shiva.

At first I thought he said "Yeshiva" and I was like, "Wait, what? They're sending her to a yeshiva?"

Ohhhh. Shiva.

Yeshiva = Ye-shee-vah.

Shiva = Shiv-ah. (Like the god.)

Edited by SNeaker, May 1, 2012 @ 10:12 PM.

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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 11:08 PM

When has Rachel been continuously pushed down regarding her voice/dreams?

First off I don't think either poster specified her not getting something career wise, but were saying in general But....

Rachel has tried out for community theater and has not had a part. Rachel has had to have diva offs even when it was unfair to her. Rachel was double cast for Maria, which we know stung a bit. Rachel had Don't Stop Believing taken away, she didn't get Tonight, she didn't get to sing at Sectionals twice. Tonight and Sectionals were the only two time she expected songs and she didn't get them. She has lost Regionals and Nationals. Artie didn't like her Christmas song and made her find something else if she wanted in the show.

And really without a lack of effort when has Rachel not put in the effort?

It seems to me some people think that becasue Rachel gets leads at competitions it automatically means she gets everything so easily. Even getting leads in glee club has given her hate from other members even if it isn't her fault.

Edited by jmcb, May 2, 2012 @ 1:42 AM.

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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 11:11 PM

Wow. I only watched half the episode cause I found it so painful in all levels, but I got a bit teary-eyed by the end. I wanted Rachel to succeed so bad. It was awful to watch her fail. I hid behind a pillow during her audition cause the promos kind of gave it away how that ends.

But, I have to say I'm glad it's Rachel who failed. If it was Kurt the amount of angst would probably be even more through the roof, and also, I'm 100% positive they'll either both get in or neither. First of all, how do we know Kurt's been accepted? He just auditioned, I'm sure he's not the only person EVER to give a good (but risky? I didn't see it) audition. But even if he was, I already have problems seeing how next year will work, but they're not going to have Kurt in NYADA by himself. Or in NY alone with Finn with Rachel in Lima. That'd be narratively an amazingly stupid move. So either Rachel will get in eventually or Kurt will turn his spot down for some totally insane reason, and that was my "worst case scenario" for Rachel since the beginning of this season so at least that will not be happening.

Agreed about her wardrobe. And the last locker scene was heartwarming. And the voice over, of course, but sadly I feel like it doesn't really suit this version of Rachel anymore.
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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 11:26 PM

And really without a lick of effort when has Rachel not put in the effort?


Never that I can recall. And if she gets a solo at Nationals or gets into NYADA eventually it won't be without the effort because Rachel is always made to work hard and she does so without resistance. Rachel working hard has never been disputed, it can even be argued that she works the hardest as she herself says in season 1... although that's more subjective.
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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 11:29 PM

Like SadieT I too thought the sitting shiva gag was hilarious. Biggest belly laugh of the night for me and said right out loud "they so would". I needs someone to fic it!


I thought Lea was amazing tonight! It's so frustrating how they waste her on all this epic love/ChildBride crap when she can do so much more. Oddly enough I had strange and unnatural kind feelings towards Finchel tonight, particularly the end when he was holding her while she cried. It does tickle me that the rare times I don't want to kill it with fire ("it" meaning the horrible, horrible pairing) is when they don't actually share lines. Sometimes one of them isn't even in the scene. ;p


I am no performer BUT I can imagine things like that happen. Maybe she OVER rehearsed. Or maybe she got shook up by Kurt's audition.

Rachel's horror and that look that she was about to be sick all over the place was right on the money. I've never bungled an audition, but I still have a tape of a performance of "Jake's Women" that I stumbled my way through. Especially since I forgot my first line. LOL!

I don't think it was a matter of being too prepared. We've seen that Rachel having "Don't Rain..." in her pocket was a good thing and came in handy. Personally I'm also of the school of thought that you can't be too rehearsed. What shook Rachel was seeing how well received Kurt's gut instinct performance was. Especially since she had argued against it earlier. She got thrown off her game. It happens and was very realistic. Lea played it fabulously! It took me more than a second to realize she was even singing the wrong words. When I first read the spoilers about Rachel fucking up her signature song I didn't know how they were going to make it believable. But Lea sold the hell out of that moment.

On the upside. FLOVED ALL of Rachel's outfits. EVERY SINGLE ONE. My god who's dressing her this year?

Now, girrrrl, I know you have not forgotten some of those calf length skirts/ankle socks combos already. LOL! But the wardrobe has been on point these last two episodes. I loved everything she wore in Dance With Somebody, and that dress during the first hallway scene with Kurt tonight? I squee'ed at the sight of it. I WANT IT!!!! I wants it now!


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And really without a lick of effort when has Rachel not put in the effort?

Seriously!!!!! PREACH!

Edited by Mnemosyne78, May 1, 2012 @ 11:31 PM.

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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 11:36 PM

Rachel has tried out for community theater and has not had a part. Rachel has had to have diva offs even when it was unfair to her. Rachel was double cast for Maria, which we know stung a bit. Rachel had Don't Stop Believing taken away, she didn't get Tonight, she didn't get to sing at Sectionals twice. Tonight and Sectionals were the only two time she expected songs and she didn't get them. She has lost Regionals and Nationals. Artie didn't like her Christmas song and made her find something else if she wanted in the show.


The community theater was one avenue where Rachel was rejected - and apparently after being rejected she never tried out again (at least not since joining ND). That doesn't bode well for someone looking for a profession in the theater where your career is nothing but a series of auditions (and if you're fortunate, a professional acting job).

The diva off was more than fair (unless you're of the opinion that Rachel should never have had to compete for that song against another member of the group that really wanted it). Rachel complained about Tonight being handed to Tina, so why should she be upset that someone else challenged for a song that she wanted? And she won it (since Kurt threw the contest for reasons that had nothing to do with Rachel).

As for Tonight, just because Rachel claimed a song doesn't mean that she should get it. There are other members of the group and if Will handed her the song, you can be sure that they would have had to pry it from her cold dead fingers (see diva off). And she ended up being such a pill about the situation that Tina gave it up. Don't Stop Believing was originally taken away from her as punishment for the Push It assembly (that she engineered). Will had every right to reassert his authority over the club (since Rachel was so quick to flaut it). And again, she did get to sing the lead for that song at Regionals (so in the end, she really wasn't punished at all).

In regards to sectionals, these were 2 competitions out of 7 so far where she did not have a solo or duet as well as lead on group vocals. I hardly think that means she's being treated unfairly. Especially given that Kurt has not recieved a single solo or lead in competition singing with ND. And it's pretty clear that National is going to be another Rachel Berry concert (with the TTs as her opening act) since they'll end up using it as her NYADA redemption. So that will be 6 competitions where Rachel would have been the primary soloist. And let's keep in mind that the only reason she missed sectionals in season 3 was because of her own stupidity with the election mess.

As for casting of Maria, the double-casting would have been for her benefit since Mercedes had been a viable alternative to her (and on that Bieste felt strongly about). And in the end, she got the part free and clear when Mercedes didn't go along with the idea. So for about 10 seconds, Rachel had to live with the idea that just maybe someone else might be as good as she was for a part. What a hardship... Maybe she could cry on Kurt's shoulder (since the directors deigned to give him a non-singing, non-dancing part in the musical).

And for the Christmas special, Artie didn't like one song because it sounded like it belonged at a funeral. And Rachel still ended up with a very significant part in the show regardless, so I fail to see what hardship she suffered there.

So Rachel did indeed get nearly everything that she demanded or tried out for. This was one time we've seen on the show where just maybe, Rachel will have failed outright to get something that she wanted. But I still think that the show will find some conceit to get Rachel into NYADA since she's supposed to be the most specialist snowflake in the world.
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Posted May 1, 2012 @ 11:57 PM

And really without a lick of effort when has Rachel not put in the effort?


That phrase referred to the fact that Rachel will get into NYADA because she's a Special Snowflake who always gets what she wants singing-wise on Glee. Did she work her ass off for the audition? I'm sure she did, no question. So did probably everyone else who tried out for a program like NYADA. But Rachel failed that test. Hard. She should not be given a second look because she blew it. And yet Rachel will show up for Nationals as usual, and magically, Carmen will appear and be all "Gosh, I was so mistaken, you truly are an singer for the generations! We must have you!" regardless of her previous audition performance. So yeah, handed to her on a silver platter despite her failure. If that's not how it happens, I will be stunned that the writers managed to write logically or sanely.

The only other real narrative option is Kurt giving up NYADA for some ridiculous reason so everyone can stay in Lima for Season 4 and be losers together. I doubt there's time for "Rachel finds an NYC alternative to keep all the NYC graduates together" when she hadn't had anything in reserve.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 12:11 AM

So did probably everyone else who tried out for a program like NYADA. But Rachel failed that test. Hard.


If Rachel were, say, applying to school to be a lawyer and completely zoned out on the LSAT and recived less that the minimal score for admission to school, that would be it (at least until the following year when she could retake the exam and reapply). You don't always get a do over when you screw something up.

Rachel made several huge mistakes that I think hurt her chances before she even stepped on that stage. First was her choice of songs, which is one that the judge probably heard a few hundred times that year alone. It might be Rachel's go to song, but it's probably the go to song for a few dozen other girls auditioning that year, I am not sure if she heard Kurt's talk with Carmen right before his audition started, but Carmen was clearly looking for someone to do something a bit different than the usual Broadway standars.

Kurt's audition worked so well because he was playing a character, but he also was allowing his own personality to shine through. He'd clearly thought so long and hard about not just his song choice, but staging, costume, back up singers... he had his own mini-Broadway show. Rachel, on the other hand, went to her usual MO of just standing and belting out a big Barbara number, but otherwise gave little if any thought to using the song to stage a character. If this was an American Idol audition, she could get away with just being a very talented singer. But she had to show Carman that she was a potential Broadway actress and just standing there and singing wouldn't have cut it.

I'm rather frustrated because it's pretty obvious that someone is going to try to get Carmen to take another look at Rachel and reconsider her. If it had been Kurt that failed to give a good audition (and his was outstanding on every level), I highly doubt that anyone would be lifting a finger to get Carmen to take another look at him. But then, Rachel's Special Snowflake status must be protected.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 12:22 AM

I'm glad that Rachel botched this audition up herself. Everytime Kurt fails it's always blamed on someone else (Rachel, Brittany, directors, being gay and others being homophobes or small-minded) or the world in general, so even though Rachel and her "lessons" have been done a million times I'm glad she got rejected because she made an honest mistake. I wouldn't be any happier if she didn't get in because for some random reason that is out of her control.

I agree, there's no non-conceited way to get her in for next autumn, I messed up my entrance exam to law school the first year I tried and had to re-do them the next, and it sucked, but wasn't the end of the world. But on the other hand, this IS Glee we're talking about, and the school she's applying to is fake so there's really nothing to limit the workings of fake!school.

Edited by a finn gleek, May 2, 2012 @ 12:23 AM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 12:24 AM

You don't always get a do over when you screw something up.

True. You don't always get a second chance…. but sometimes you do.

I'm rather frustrated because it's pretty obvious that someone is going to try to get Carmen to take another look at Rachel and reconsider her. If it had been Kurt that failed to give a good audition (and his was outstanding on every level), I highly doubt that anyone would be lifting a finger to get Carmen to take another look at him.


Why would that be frustrating? Unless one is competing against Rachel for a place in this fictional school's exclusive musical theatre program then I don't understand the frustration. We don't know how, or even if, Rachel will get a second chance… although probably she will because it's Glee. But why assume someone else is going to be the one to get Carmen to take another look at her? How do we know Rachel isn't going to go all defcon 5 and make it happen for herself? Rachel's pretty self-sufficient and she doesn't exactly give up easily. And what does Kurt have to do with anything now?

Carmen will appear and be all "Gosh, I was so mistaken, you truly are an singer for the generations! We must have you!"


Maybe. And she'd be making a good call because Rachel is truly a gifted singer and performer. I know some people are making cracks about these kids being "special snowflakes," but this show has told us how special they are, especially Rachel, for three seasons now so it shouldn't be surprising.

Edited by Sadie T, May 2, 2012 @ 2:56 AM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 12:31 AM

If it had been Kurt that failed to give a good audition (and his was outstanding on every level), I highly doubt that anyone would be lifting a finger to get Carmen to take another look at him.


This is not really comparable per se, but Kurt did get to do his West Side Story auditions twice. So I'm guessing if he had messed up his audition he would have gotten another chance. Because I'm sure Rachel will. Or, Kurt will not go, but some way Rachel and Kurt will end up at the same place next season.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 12:45 AM

Why would that frustrate you?


Very simply, because they would only do this for Rachel Berry, the most specialest person in the world. If Kurt screwed up his audition, that would be it for him and he'd have to find something else to do wtih his life. No one went running to Cooter to get him to reconsider Finn for OSUs football team. Other characters have to suck up their failures and move on. But Rachel is the one to get special consideration more often than not.

Regardless, if someone makes an effort to get Rachel a second chance or Rachel tries herself, I don't think she deserves it. She had a chance to prove herself and wasn't able to do so. No one else would have another opportunity. Why should Rachel get special treatment over anyone else who auditioned and blew it?

And she'd be making a good call because Rachel is truly a gifted singer and performer.


Not sure that I'll agree with you on this. Is Rachel gifted? Certainly. But so is Kurt, Harmony, Wade and plenty of other characters. But Rachel brings with her a huge number of issues that can make her a vexing individual to be around. Her poor attitude (which I'll agree is not there 100% of the time) can make a lot of problems for her teachers who have a whole school full of highly talented performers of which Rachel would be but one of many. They won't put up with her tantrums and antics.

And again, I had issues with how she chose to perform her audition. Kurt played a character. He danced and used the whole stage. He acted. He is what you look for in a male Broadway performer. Rachel stood at center stage and just sang (with the sole exception of taking a step foward). Good for Amercian Idol but not great for a staqe actress who has to sing, while dancing and playing a character. Kurt showed that he could walk and chew gum, while Rachel was left trying to get gum out of her hair.

this show has told us how special they are, especially Rachel, for three seasons


In their insular little world of ND, yes, they are special snowflakes. But the show has been making it very clear this season that while they all think they are outstanding, in reality they aren't all that unique. We've been getting that anvil dropped on our heads all season. Finn might be the football hero at McKinley, but outside he's a medicore player at best. Rachel has already seen that there are other girls out there just like her. Now she's learning that those who are real greats in the theater scene and made their livings in the industry just aren't all that impressed with Rachel. Out in the big world, she's not merely a tiny fish in a big pond. Out there, she's practially plankton. And with this audition, she didn't give NYADA any reason to believe otherwise.

Or, Kurt will not go


I would absolutely hate if Kurt gave up his chance to go to NYADA because Rachel didn't get in. Does anyone honestly think if they situations were reversed and Rachel was the one admitted that she would give up her spot out of loyalty to Kurt? Why should he sacrifice his future for her?
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 1:02 AM

Very simply, because they would only do this for Rachel Berry, the most specialest person in the world. If Kurt screwed up his audition, that would be it for him and he'd have to find something else to do wtih his life.


But we're talking about Rachel here, if I wanted to discuss what would or would not happen with Kurt, I'd go to the Kurt thread…but I don't really care to, so I'm not going to. And I'm still not seeing what Kurt has to do with Rachel. They didn't audition as a duo, his future is entirely separate from Rachel's and what happens with Rachel now would have no effect on Kurt, except to make him happy because he clearly wants Rachel to get in. And as a finn gleek pointed out, Kurt did get a second chance when he botched an audition.

But Rachel is the one to get special consideration more often than not.


When have allowances been made for Rachel after she failed? This would be the first time and we don't even know if it will happen.

But Rachel brings with her a huge number of issues that can make her a vexing individual to be around. Her poor attitude (which I'll agree is not there 100% of the time) can make a lot of problems for her teachers who have a whole school full of highly talented performers of which Rachel would be but one of many.


It's a good thing there was no personality test required for admittance then because Kurt would have just as much trouble passing as Rachel.


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Out in the big world, she's not merely a tiny fish in a big pond. Out there, she's practially plankton. And with this audition, she didn't give NYADA any reason to believe otherwise.


I wouldn't be surprised if that's proven false by Nationals. Rachel is so amazing that she might still get into the school of her dreams after a botched audition. Not everyone is so naturally talented that even scary theatre deans would be willing to give them a second chance.... but Rachel is (or might be, we don't actually know), so good for her.

Does anyone honestly think if they situations were reversed and Rachel was the one admitted that she would give up her spot out of loyalty to Kurt?


Season 3 Rachel? Absolutely. And I would hate it. Kurt would never so I don't think you have to worry about that.

Edited by Sadie T, May 2, 2012 @ 2:58 AM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 1:17 AM

I would absolutely hate if Kurt gave up his chance to go to NYADA because Rachel didn't get in. Does anyone honestly think if they situations were reversed and Rachel was the one admitted that she would give up her spot out of loyalty to Kurt? Why should he sacrifice his future for her?


She would. But no, I don't want Kurt to not go (if he's even accepted, cause that hasn't happened as of yet) and it would be ridiculous, but Rachel has shown on many occasions this season she's more concerned for Finn and Kurt than herself. So yes, if Kurt didn't get in, no way would Rachel be going. Because she's S3!Rachel and because it would cause the same narrative problems than Kurt going and Rachel not. I'm pretty sure either they're both going or neither.

I know that Rachel and Lea are two different people, but since Glee LOVES to take stuff from the lives of its actors (many of Kurt's storylines, the whole of Rory's existence...) I'm wondering whether they would take Rachel to B-Way without any education and have her make it. Lea consistently got work on Broadway since the age of 8, and managed to originate a really good role. In fact, she got so much work that she didn't go to Tisch despite being accepted. I value education highly so I really want her to make it to NYADA somehow but even if she doesn't, I really want her to go to New York.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 1:28 AM

I know that Rachel and Lea are two different people, but since Glee LOVES to take stuff from the lives of its actors (many of Kurt's storylines, the whole of Rory's existence...) I'm wondering whether they would take Rachel to B-Way without any education and have her make it. Lea consistently got work on Broadway since the age of 8, and managed to originate a really good role. In fact, she got so much work that she didn't go to Tisch despite being accepted. I value education highly so I really want her to make it to NYADA somehow but even if she doesn't, I really want her to go to New York.


I've been wondering if that's a possibility as well. Obviously not all performers go to school for the arts, most probably don't actually. Rachel has mentioned in a past episode that she's going to NYC regardless of NYADA, although she seemed too devastated to remember that this week, and Kurt even said she's still going too despite botching the audition... so maybe that is the plan. Rachel can attempt to get parts directly out of high school while Kurt attents NYADA and Finn attends acting school.. that'd still put them all in New York together and since Rachel's talent is comparative to Lea's, it's a good bet that she can still be successful without a performing arts college, as Lea obviously didn't need it. But I don't know if a show that targets kids will be so quick to go the non-traditional route and have a lead "good girl" character forgo higher education for something as fickle as a stage career. It'd probably be good dramatic television but Glee is on FOX and not Showtime.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 1:37 AM

But I don't know if a show that targets kids will be so quick to go the non-traditional route and have a lead "good girl" character forgo higher education for something as fickle as a stage career.

That? I could both buy and respect. And would find an interesting take on her career path.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 2:09 AM

Wow just giddy with excitement over Rachel not making it.

I just don't see where anyone has ever pretended that Rachel is some special snowflake.

Anyone else would have the opportunity for a second chance if that is what the writer wanted. Quinn, Brittany and Santana have had several chances with Cheerios. Several of them got second chances with New Directions. Some have had second chances with girlfriends/boyfriends. Betting Puck gets a second chance too.

The show is going to show her fortitude in getting into NAYDA and I think they would do the same for other characters. I don't see what is wrong with showing someone who has always worked hard to get that chance, even if she did mess up.

If it was another character i would have to think people would be cheering them on. IMO.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 3:10 AM

I immediately began thinking about the possibility that like Lea, Rachel might just go out there and audition and get something. When the spinoff was being bandied about I thought it shoud be a revamp of That Girl with Marlo Thomas. She'dtake odd jobs while auditioning for commercials and stuff. Marlo's Ann Marie didn't singbut I can imagine that Rachel Berry could do voice work, sing on commercials etc while trying out for bigger stuff. I mean SOMEBODY has to do that stuff. I can't imagine somebody wouldn't want her for that. But after they said noo spinnoff I've had no clue. Can somebody tell me if the info of what the heck they are planning is out there in the net for those like now me who want to be spoiled?

BTW I think this ep showed why while I've really liked the voices of the Glee project kids that I am convinced none can truely replace Rachel...Lea can do comedy and drama not just sing. That crying looked soooo believable and her voiceover before was hysterical. The only one of the new kids who I think MAY be able to act is the Gerber baby and I'm not 100% sure she can do comedy and drama.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 3:28 AM

But I don't know if a show that targets kids will be so quick to go the non-traditional route and have a lead "good girl" character forgo higher education for something as fickle as a stage career.


I don't know... I don't think anyone in the writing staff really has a realistic picture of what a stage career consists of. Just for clarification: Neither do I. But they should be "in the biz", where I am not, and know more. Mike Chang's dad was painted as an awful monster because he encouraged his son to go for med school rather than dancing. Of course he wasn't nice about it, but in between lines I think there was the allegation that following a performing arts dream is more important (after boyfriends if you're a girl, bien sur!) than establishing a career in a more "secure" field. Though the reverse might have happened with Santana in last week's episode, so who knows.

If Rachel doesn't get into NYADA I don't know what else they could do with her but stick her in NY where she can take her chances.

Btw, I got stuck on TvTropes one day (got click-addicted) and ended up on "butt monkey" ("the character who is always the butt of the demeaning joke or the "put him through hell" plotline.") where this was said about our Rachel:

Rachel Berry from Glee is actually such a Butt Monkey that even within a club full of Butt Monkeys, she still gets frequently insulted and snarked at for laughs over how irritating her fellow glee club members find her.


She got to share this "honor" with Sandy, lol. Poor Rachel.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 4:35 AM

Wow just giddy with excitement over Rachel not making it.


I've come to LOVE the resentment her character can inspire in others, as Sue Sylvester say's "It's delicious". LOL.

Well I'm hoping to see Rachel herself maneuver her way into NYADA. I wouldn't be adverse to her having help a.k.a some of the others, god knows they've played Scooby and friends to Kurt's whine-fest and Poor Santana or the consistent coddle-Quinn mood.

What drew me to Rachel was that she wasn't a snivel and cry like Kurt, she doesn't traditionally lash out like Santana. She focuses on herself, what she wants and how exactly she's going to get it, to an almost pathological degree. lol. The people she hurt's along the way? "Can't make an omlette and etc"


Now, girrrrl, I know you have not forgotten some of those calf length skirts/ankle socks combos already. LOL! But the wardrobe has been on point these last two episodes. I loved everything she wore in Dance With Somebody, and that dress during the first hallway scene with Kurt tonight? I squee'ed at the sight of it. I WANT IT!!!! I wants it now!


OMG YES. OMG YES. That one was without Flaws. I couldn't believe it. Oh and totally about the socks but I love the dresses MINUS the socks. LOL

Edited by DrScheme, May 2, 2012 @ 4:48 AM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 5:12 AM

I've come to LOVE the resentment her character can inspire in others, as Sue Sylvester say's "It's delicious".


I think the most interesting characters inspire the most extreme reactions in people and that certainly seems true with Rachel.


Well I'm hoping to see Rachel herself maneuver her way into NYADA. I wouldn't be adverse to her having help a.k.a some of the others, god knows they've played Scooby and friends to Kurt's whine-fest and Poor Santana or the consistent coddle-Quinn mood.

What drew me to Rachel was that she wasn't a snivel and cry like Kurt, she doesn't traditionally lash out like Santana. She focuses on herself, what she wants and how exactly she's going to get it, to an almost pathological degree. lol.


I don't like seeing Rachel sad, and she was absolutely heartbreaking in this episode because Lea is just that good at portraying her, but in a weird way I'm kind of excited about this road bump. We have 4 episodes left for Rachel to turn this around and I'm looking forward to Rachel returning to her insanely determined roots to make this happen for herself (also yay for the potential for some serious focus on Rachel in the remaining episodes). Rachel is not only wildly talented, but she's incredibly hard-working, fiercely tenacious, and utterly relentless in her pursuit of her goals. They haven't been calling her self-involved for 3 years for nothing! She's not going to give up that easily so I don't think she'll stay down too long, she never does. I think it's only a matter of time before she sucks it up, tells herself she can do it and then gets it done… because she's Rachel Berry.

Edited by Sadie T, May 2, 2012 @ 5:13 AM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 5:17 AM

that dress during the first hallway scene with Kurt tonight? I squee'ed at the sight of it. I WANT IT!!!! I wants it now!

That dress was gorgeous. She went throughout a rough patch fashion wise in the middle there but she seems back on track now. I am just getting really annoyed with the heavy bangs they insist on using for her, just sweep them to the side. It's not hard.

I thought Lea was fantastic this episode. It makes me see just how much she's been wasted in Finchel. The VoiceOver was spot on and total genius, her scenes with Kurt were great- I think they've finally got the HummelBerry balance right and the audition was superb. It was actually difficult to watch her choke like that.

But I admit at having a total giggle at her saying Kurt and Finn would make it in NY without her because LOL Finn changes his mind every two minutes, and he is so not going to bother with NY if she's not there.
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 5:43 AM

I would love to have a sequence in which Patti LuPone appears in Rachel's dreams, reminding her of the promise she made. Rachel awakens to her traditional song, scribbles Nationals/NYADA!!!! on a piece of paper, and hits the elliptical with a fanatically grim expression, for twice as long as she used to. Icing on the cake will be her telling Finn that Patti also told her she has to remain celibate until both goals are reached.

Edited by OmniHelix, May 2, 2012 @ 5:44 AM.

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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 8:26 AM

But I don't know if a show that targets kids will be so quick to go the non-traditional route and have a lead "good girl" character forgo higher education for something as fickle as a stage career.

I've been pro-struggling actress in NYC since before we even knew Rachel was graduating from school. I've always said that Rachel struck me as the type to think college would just be holding her back from her dreams, and that she would want to get right into the thick of it as soon as she had the chance. Sadly Glee is a message show now, and going to college would be expected of the lead character. They'll think of the little girls who see Rachel/Lea as a role model. Too bad they won't consider those same girls when they continuously make the character her boyfriend's doormat or paint her as the first evil anytime she puts her needs or ambition first. But I digress...I had no beef with Finchel this episode for once.

I don't know... I don't think anyone in the writing staff really has a realistic picture of what a stage career consists of.

I can tell you right now that they also have no idea what an theatre arts program audition/school looks like. Which is weird. Considering how much they pilfer from their actors' lives you would think they would have great insight on how to portray this. Lea got into Tisch, and if I'm not mistaken, Darren and Jenna graduated with theater degrees. But no, they prefer to go with lazy, non-sensical writing. They can't even be fussed to bookmark Wikipedia. That hysterical Finchel scene in Rachel's bathroom would have made more sense if we even knew whether or not she was also preparing for the acting part of her audition. What a waste!

For my personal enjoyment I would rather watch them at least attempt portraying Rachel as tackling the big city. Working singing waitress jobs or being the world's worst Nanny to pay the bills. Taking any acting job she could find, that wasn't porn lol, and doing bad experimental theater to get experience. Disaterous auditions, singing&voice lessons, and extra work on L&O type shows as dead bodies that refuse to act dead. Heh. I would find that 10xs more interesting than whatever fail they could come up with for NYADA. That's why I hope if Rachel does get a second chance and makes it by some Hail Mary pass, she decides to turn it down and make her own way. Let Kurt have NYADA. I think there lies more story opportunities that way. The same way as Sadie T pointed out not making the innitial cut is only going to give Rachel/Lea more story. Which by the way...yay!
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Posted May 2, 2012 @ 8:45 AM

That's why I hope if Rachel does get a second chance and makes it by some Hail Mary pass, she decides to turn it down and make her own way.


Oh, hell to the yes on that.
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