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Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 3:35 PM

Am I the only one who finds David-the-Realtor so physically unattractive that I can't look at him during his scenes? And that's even before taking into consideration his whiney voice and condescending mannerisms. IMO, he looks like a Central Casting version of a director of porn movies. Surely they could find a better-looking realtor who wants to be on TV?
Not that it matters much to me, as I find the show so unpleasant overall that one episode - the two artists who wanted a complete house remodel, including a completely finished basement and a new roof, for the lavish sum of $18,000 - was more than enough. Granted I live in an expensive part of the Northeast US, but I couldn't get one small bathroom redone for $18,000! The whole premise seemed stupid to me.

Edited by Ketzel, Apr 10, 2012 @ 3:36 PM.

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Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 9:06 PM

the two artists who wanted a complete house remodel, including a completely finished basement and a new roof, for the lavish sum of $18,000 - was more than enough.


Not only that but with local artisan furniture. I mean I would rather live with garage sale finds until I could afford better if it meant the entire budget went to fixing actual important things!
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Posted Apr 11, 2012 @ 9:06 AM

Have to respectfully disagree with you WRT David's commission, lu1wml. Seriously doubt David is actually any of the couple's realtor. In all of these staged RE dramas, basically 100% of them where the backstory's come out, the show realtor doesn't earn a commission because the drama was staged/predetermined and the participants had previously purchased the home. We already know the LIOLI drama's staged so have to believe these couples all used their own realtors for the transaction.

Besides the staged drama factor, I don't believe the production companies want any responsibility for the realtors' liability WRT the real estate transaction. In addition, the show realtors spend their time filming. (It takes many hours to film a 30 minute program - obviously even more for an hour.) Most househunters (if not nearly all) need to tour far more than 3 properties and don't make immediate, snap decisions. Therefore, it would be impractical and essentially impossible to work with a show realtor on the transaction.

Edited by gazerguy, Apr 11, 2012 @ 9:20 AM.

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Posted Apr 12, 2012 @ 11:51 AM

I'm new and was wondering about the ratio of love it or list it because I've only seen 1 love it and 3 list its. I like the idea of the show, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to sink 80K into a home (or even 40 or 50K) just to renovate it like this. (And outside of the show, people do just that all the time.) I love old houses. I even like renovations. But if you have that much cash or want that much changed, why would you not just move? Renovation is always a bitch. Always. And I can do many of the things they do (and have done) with less money, and use the extra to move! But then we'd have no show, right?

It does console me a bit to see that 800k houses have basement water problems, but the show would be more interesting to me if the houses were 150k or 200k instead. I like when House Hunters is also in the lower range. It's much more interesting to peek at those houses in a before/after than watch houses become the same as all the perfect identical 600-800k mansions with granite counters, ss appliances, wood floors, en suites, and people who carp ENDLESSLY about BS like paint color. There's a real challenge economically and space-wise with the lower spectrum, though in some areas you get a good size house for that money.

The bigger issue I have with both HH and this show is that there's a whole bunch of people who think this is how you behave and what you do when you buy a house. As one who also may sell a house, that makes me cringe mightily. Who wants to deal with people who have this mentality?

Edited by LadyEight, Apr 12, 2012 @ 1:27 PM.

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Posted Apr 16, 2012 @ 8:56 PM

It does console me a bit to see that 800k houses have basement water problems, but the show would be more interesting to me if the houses were 150k or 200k instead.


In the areas they use in Toronto there are no $150-200K houses. It is a real shock to look at U.S. real estate prices from a Central Canada perspective. Everything is so cheap.

I don't know how someone could afford major upgrades of any type given the real estate price caps in many of the areas that places like House Hunters show.
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Posted Apr 16, 2012 @ 11:32 PM

In the areas they use in Toronto there are no $150-200K houses.

I don't think there have been any houses in Toronto selling for $150-200K for quite some time now. Sigh. The average house price 2011 was around $450K and most of the houses I have seen on this show would be priced higher.

Edited by dustylil, Apr 16, 2012 @ 11:34 PM.

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Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 2:50 PM

In the areas they use in Toronto there are no $150-200K houses. It is a real shock to look at U.S. real estate prices from a Central Canada perspective. Everything is so cheap.

Just a Toronto perspective. There are many houses in Central Canada outside of Toronto that have 4 bedrooms, 3 baths, etc. etc. that can be purchased in the $200,000 range.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would want to sink 80K into a home (or even 40 or 50K) just to renovate it like this.

Although this is a show and all is done for drama purposes, outside of that, I imagine some people sink $50,000 into home renos hoping they can get that and more when they sell it. I mean, if they put those crapshacks on the market the way they were - with leaky basements, unsafe wiring, tiny boxy rooms, and so on - they'd limit their buyer pool. It's similar to house flipping - put X dollars into a house and hope to get that and more when you sell. Many people don't want to buy a house that needs all kinds of renos just to make it modern or practical, much less attractive.
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Posted Apr 17, 2012 @ 9:11 PM

I must call total shenanigans on this show after the latest episode, namely Desta, one of the co-workers of "Designer Hillary." I do give Hillary her props, though, because she actually walked out after Destra's tantrum. OMG, though, it was almost unwatchable - it was really like watching a train wreck, and the acting was horrendous.

I too find it ridiculous that anyone would make provisions for renovating the house, then allocate a meager budget for the reno. There are always, always some sort of major problems too that eat up the reno budget. The next to last program, the house they found (and moved to!) was just three doors down. Shenanigans, certainly. It would be an interesting show, but the premise is, I think, warped at best--it just doesn't work.

Oh and the housing prices in Toronto are simply outrageous! Even Desta's tiny bungalow was nearly 400K. :(
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Posted Apr 25, 2012 @ 11:52 AM

Yeah, houses in Toronto are grossly over-priced; I don't know how regular working people (making $12-$15 an hour) can afford them).

Shenanigans? Yes, it's been mentioned many times in this thread that this show is staged and scripted. In another episode, the carpenter guy is one of the homeowners. I don't know if they were just desperate for participants, or if Desta (and the carpenter) were planning to renovate/move anyway, so they thought it would be fun to incorporate them into an episode.

What really bothers me is the new furniture that Hillary provides. Is that part of her budget? That's hardly fair, since they take it with them if they "list it". I mean, why eliminate a needed bathroom redo due to budgetary problems and then provide $5000 worth of new furniture?

Plus, David's "new" home value after the renovations are way off base. Is the new furniture included in that too?
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Posted Apr 29, 2012 @ 6:14 PM

What really bothers me is the new furniture that Hillary provides. Is that part of her budget? That's hardly fair, since they take it with them if they "list it". I mean, why eliminate a needed bathroom redo due to budgetary problems and then provide $5000 worth of new furniture?


I was just getting caught up on some DVR'd episodes and thought I'd check back in here, which made me look at an old blog interview with Hilary that was linked to in the beginning of this thread:

http://www.stylenort...vantage-hilary/

In the comments section, Hilary answered some questions back in 2010 and early 2011. But, as it turns out she just revisited the blog on 4/28/12 and answered some new questions in the comment section. On this issue of furnishings, Hilary said:

I spend money on furnishings even when I cannot stretch the budget for areas of renovations, because I can get the furnishings for less than fixing the problems cost!.


I also noticed that she linked her screen name in the comment section to her website:

http://www.hilaryfarrdesign.com/

And she has a Facebook page:

https://www.facebook...ilaryFarrDesign
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Posted May 3, 2012 @ 10:12 AM

You're not the only ones who find this show ridiculous.

Hilary gets yelled at by all the homeowners because she over-promises and under-delivers. She always agrees to the wishlist before seeing the budget, and when she does see the budget, she always says "okay" no matter how ridiculous it is. If she were to work out a realistic budget with the homeowners from the start, they wouldn't flip out when it turned out (inevitably) to fall short.

Meanwhile, I think David is easily the worst real estate agent I've ever seen on TV. I know the house tours are staged, but he purposely shows them two horrible houses as the first two choices to ratchet up the "dramatic tension" (which is just obnoxious, IMHO) and then the third house is always either a perfect dream house that is probably priced way out of the homeowners' range, or else it's the house that they had previously purchased through another agent so of course they love it.
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Posted May 4, 2012 @ 9:10 PM

With house costs so high in Toronto, what kind of money do y'all think the HHs are making? I do pretty well and it would be a cold day in August before I got a $400K house.

I wonder how these folks manage; they don't all seem to have fantastic jobs or businesses. Is there some kind of special program to help people buy because the costs are so high? I know some places here in the States that have such programs, but still, in the end you've got to be able to make that big payment each month. Maybe all their student loans are paid off? : )
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Posted May 5, 2012 @ 11:09 PM

@Alyameadow, I think that a lot of the homeowners on this show are on their second or third homes already. They may have profited from the rapid rise in the market on their first house, and upgraded accordingly. Unlike a lot of the other shows, this one doesn't seem to target new homeowners specifically, and a lot of the episodes look like they're working with families with a bit more time in the market.

Also, to be fair, lots of these folks *are* house-poor. Canada's consumer debt load is out of control right now. I do wonder how much spending is going on credit cards in order for these people to keep up with the mortgage payments on their McMansions.

I do find the concept of them using the increased equity in their homes to upgrade to an even more expensive property rather absurd. It seems that David always deliberately goes over budget when showing houses, because he's counting on Hilary's renovation to add sale value to their existing home. That's kinda cheating, no?
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Posted May 8, 2012 @ 11:24 AM

Hilary gets yelled at by all the homeowners because she over-promises and under-delivers. She always agrees to the wishlist before seeing the budget, and when she does see the budget, she always says "okay" no matter how ridiculous it is. If she were to work out a realistic budget with the homeowners from the start, they wouldn't flip out when it turned out (inevitably) to fall short.

In the real world, she'd have an inspection of the basement, especially as they'd had so many problems. The bowed wall was visible to the naked eye.
I'm no expert, but even to me I'd know that if your wall was curving in, there's a problem.
And I kept thinking building a retaining wall behind (or in front, however you look at it) the bowed wall wouldn't keep the upper part of the bad wall from sinking.
I wanted Mike to show up and rip that sucker out and put in a new one.
Did they come up with more money, or was Hillary being coy with the homeowners, because it sounded like she had no money left for anything, and she did do quite a lot.
I couldn't see moving just to get a mudroom; surely that would have been an easy fix.
I'd try and stay in the same school district, but the homeowners never seem to mention this.
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Posted May 10, 2012 @ 7:23 PM

A lot of them mention wanting to stay in the same neighbourhood, which I assume is partly because of schools. But David often finds them the perfect house outside of their chosen area, which they sometimes choose.

Of course, we know they've already decided to move (or not) before the cameras start rolling, so if they move out of their kids' school district and don't mention it as being a big deal, it's probably because it's already a done deal.
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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 6:23 PM

Don't know for certain but I believe all of the LIOLI drama is staged. These "reality" television productions don't leave anything to chance. Persoanlly, I'm sure they've evaluated the property in advance and the homeowners know what upgrades will be completed long before they start shooting an episode. If we use IP as an example, they both evaluate the property and financially qualify the homeowners prior to filming.

WRT last week's homeowners, i.e. the unfinished mudroom, I'm sure they hadn't decided to move (in advance of LIOLI) b/c they couldn't afford to upgrade their mudroom. One thing about that renovation - although the new master suite was nice, it was located in the basement. Many people don't want to live and/or locate their bedroom in a basement.

I enjoy seeing the completed renos so I typically skip all the formulaic drama and check out the reveal to save time.
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Posted May 11, 2012 @ 11:56 PM

Don't know for certain but I believe all of the LIOLI drama is staged.


Ya think? Good grief, this is the most staged "reality" show I've ever seen. One episode was enough for me. The only thing I've seen that is worse is "Restaurant Stakeout" on FN (also a Scripps Network show), which I'm guessing won't last beyond how many phoney staged episodes they made.

Edited by chessiegal, May 12, 2012 @ 12:17 AM.

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Posted May 12, 2012 @ 4:13 AM

With house costs so high in Toronto, what kind of money do y'all think the HHs are making? I do pretty well and it would be a cold day in August before I got a $400K house.


You have no choice in a few cities if you want to own a house though. I bet a lot of them took out the 35 year mortgages when they were still available and I wouldn't be surprised if most of them were on 25-30 year mortgages with the idea that they'll keep on buying houses and moving.
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Posted May 28, 2012 @ 11:08 PM

God, I hate this show. Both of these people are insufferable.

David could not be less appealing in ANY way: looks, personality, voice, etcetcetc.

And Hillary. Ugh.


I wonder if I would like it any better with different hosts? The premise isn't horrible but I just can't sit through it. Tonight was the second time I tried to watch and halfway through I found myself in the backyard trimming plants ...
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Posted May 30, 2012 @ 12:04 PM

I lost interest the third time I saw the "Oh nos! Big problem we didn't anticipate which means we can't do all the renovation we promised at first!" scene with Hilary, followed by the "Hurray! I found you the house which is perfect for you in every single way except it's many, many thousands of dollars over the budget you gave me!" scene with the Least Telegenic Realtor to Actually Be On TV, David.
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Posted May 30, 2012 @ 12:32 PM

followed by the "Hurray! I found you the house which is perfect for you in every single way except it's many, many thousands of dollars over the budget you gave me!" scene with the Least Telegenic Realtor to Actually Be On TV, David.

And in a different neighborhood than you specified.
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Posted Jun 19, 2012 @ 10:01 PM

I thought the wife last night, Stephanie, was being unfair in blaming Hilary for the money spent for the structural damage that was uncovered, as irritating and predictable as the hidden damage angst is.
Has there ever been a show where there was no hidden damage.
When David was showing them other older homes, did they no realize that the same problems could be lurking there?
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Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 1:13 AM

So far I think all the episodes that have been shown were previously shown on OWN. When will we see new episodes? Obviously many parts are staged as are all reality shows, but I think the premise is fresh, and I find Hillary and David to be funny and clever sparring partners. Hillary has a Facebook page, and she talks about a trip to NYC that she and David took, and it's clear that they are good friends. According to her FB page they are shooting new episodes, but who knows if they'll make it to HGTV. I hope so.
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Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 12:28 PM

This is so fake I find it hard to watch - all the home have structural damage and the owners get mad the can't have the reno wish list. Any sane person realizes repairs, like a new roof would need to be done to sell the house- if you don't do the fix it will sell for much less if at all.
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Posted Jun 20, 2012 @ 4:13 PM

There's a new show called Reno or Relocate with more or less the same idea. According to the write-up on hgtv.ca though, the ho's have to decide which to do before they do any work. And the decorator is a guy while the realtor is a woman, so that really mixes it up. I haven't watched it yet but I plan on catching an episode to see how it compares to LIoLI. Anyone else seen it yet?
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Posted Jun 21, 2012 @ 7:34 AM

Has there ever been a show where there was no hidden damage.

No, it's part of the formula.

I wonder if Reno or Relocate will be as formulaic and predictable or if it will be fresher than LIOLI. (That acronym looks like the name of bacteria).
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Posted Jun 25, 2012 @ 11:20 PM

I'm new to this show but I don't think I'll stick around. It is so forced. I mean I've come to terms with the staged aspect of these reality shows, but some of them do a much better job of at least seeming credible. The ep I just watched, a couple with 2 kids needing to reclaim their dining room and add family living space, was just absurd. There was no way to justify staying in their old house. Yes, it had charm, but they were bursting at the seams with a narrow lot and nowhere to go. I felt sorry for the wife (Rachel?) having to find bad things to say about the new construction houses David was showing them. Not that those houses were fabulous, but they were a lot more livable and with much better use of space. Rachel had to keep saying how it was a bad time to move, with two young kids. Excuse me? That's a good time to move. A bad time is when you're expecting a baby in three weeks. Or when your kids have already started school (if you can't find something in your school attendance area).

When the reno uncovered water problems from the way the yard was graded, and the kitchen redo had to be abandoned, it was all over. I don't care about old house charm, who wants their second bath and only kids' play area in the basement? It's no contest. Rachel had complained how it was inconvenient to have to take the kids upstairs to go to the bathroom - so going down to the basement is going to be better?

I thought the reno team also said the homeowners would have to regrade the back yard, but that was never mentioned again. That would be a dealbreaker for me.

To add to the above, David is so unpleasantly cocky and abrasive that I could never really enjoy watching this. I thought the concept was good, but in reality it just isn't amenable to the fakery of House Hunters or some of the other shows.
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Posted Jun 26, 2012 @ 12:29 PM

Yet another episode where you wonder if the homeowners have ever seen this show before. Blame Hilary for the water leak and the dry rot.
On the other hand, if the show is to continue, they really need to do a segment where Hilary explains to the homeowners that their house is of an age where all kinds of expensive problems may crop up, and that these must be addressed because the building inspectors will not allow work to be done otherwise.
Then they can decide if they'll accept this, or pass on the show.
Last night, I fell asleep before I saw whether they loved it or listed it. Which did they choose?
It seems like 90% of the episodes are in the same neighborhood, and the houses look pretty much alike.
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Posted Jun 26, 2012 @ 1:42 PM

Oops!

Edited by biakbiak, Jun 26, 2012 @ 1:44 PM.

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Posted Jun 26, 2012 @ 2:06 PM

Rachel had complained how it was inconvenient to have to take the kids upstairs to go to the bathroom - so going down to the basement is going to be better?


Since the kids' play area is in the basement, presumably she'd already be down there.

But I can totally see not wanting to pack up a house while tending two small children, let alone unpack a house. Because you know the thing you really need is going to be in a box that you somehow just can't find.
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