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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 2:18 PM

Those aren't the commenters I was referring to.


I know.
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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 3:26 PM

I knew she was a Republican, but can't you be a Republican and respect others?

It makes me sad. I love this show, but I don't want to enable her celebrity.


I've defended her in the past because while she's a Republican her stated position on many issues aligns with my own. But no more, this exposed an ugly, hateful side of her that's destroyed any fondness I previously felt. I just hope I can continue watching the show without that knowledge hampering my enjoyment of it as entertainment.
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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 4:15 PM

I just prefer to think of her as Frankie, not as Patricia Heaton or Debra Barone, the later years.

he isn't brilliant but total loner Dr. Sheldon Cooper who has zero use for anyone other than MeeMaw.

Sheldon is hardly a loner. He has a roommate by choice, plus a social group he insists on hanging out with as per his schedule, plus he has allowed Penny to become a permanent part of his circle, and he now has a girlfriend. Sheldon's rarely alone. I do think of Brick as a little Sheldon-in-training.

I'm glad the car lot scenes have been scaled back. That may be part of the reason why I'm enjoying this season more.

So true. I prefer the focus on the Hecks, with some interaction with their friends and neighbours. The carlot stuff was the weak spot and I'm glad it's mostly disappeared.
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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 4:20 PM

My heart sank when I read about those Tweets from PH. Why go out of your way to insult somebody you've never met? It makes no sense. Doesn't she have enough going on in her own life? Seriously, who has time and what is the motivation to personally attack a complete stranger on Twitter?

And don't even get me started on apologies via Twitter. Those do not count! Unless PH called Ms. Fluke and spoke to her personally, there has been no apology.
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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 4:41 PM

And I'm sure Heaton used birth control herself during her lifetime, as most women have.
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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 4:46 PM

I thought the initial attacks on Fluke were insane for the reasons stated (in that they were complete and total lies, she didn't want anyone else to pay for it just get the insurance she pays for to cover it, covering birth control lowers all of our premiums as it prevents things that would be more expensive to cover and not just pregnancy, there are a lot of legitimate health reasons to take it other than for preventing birth etc.). BUT Heaton was just repeating the original lies thinking they were fact. Not intentionally targeting someone with lies. She was dumb and uniformed on the issue but it doesn't really bother me much. People act like idiots on Twitter.

I like his character, but as a recurring role. I'm glad the car lot scenes have been scaled back. That may be part of the reason why I'm enjoying this season more.


I agree. I liked the scenes enough but I don't need a lot more of them.

Edited by Betsyb, Mar 6, 2012 @ 5:00 PM.

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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 4:59 PM

I hope the writers are the spiteful type that would get revenge on PH for offending a good chunk of their viewers by writing a future episode where Sue has a medical need to go on the pill and Frankie is given lines about how going on contraceptives doesn't mean they're giving Sue permission to have sex, and how she's just grateful that Mike's medical insurance covers it, since the insurance plan offered at the car lot is run by people who think birth control is only for floozies, even though it has no trouble paying for Mr. Ehlert's Viagra.
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Posted Mar 6, 2012 @ 6:37 PM

I find the whole thing appalling. Everyone is entitled to their views and I have zero interest in the private lives of celebs other than being happy if they do something wonderful. However, when someone does something that sickens me it is hard to not see the person behind the role. I'm thinking of Sheen, not that I watch that disgusting show. I don't care about his drugging or boozing but terrorizing women is a whole other animal and it's documented and I can't stand to look at him. Why on earth would a person in the public eye make such ignorant, polarizing statements? If I was her agent or manager I'd be spinning off the wall. Frankly, I despise Twitter and the messes it creates. Getting back OT, I had no problem seeing Debra as a role and an imaginary woman I didn't like so was able to like Frankie. I guess she's a dittohead which is pretty much all I need to know. I hope it doesn't ruin the show for me - she could have been talking about my daughter. Much as I try not to be influenced, I enjoy Betty White all the more because of her donations and support of neglected animals and endangered species. I enjoy the Brick actor all the more because I've seen him in interviews speaking so fondly of his family and pets. Pooh, lady, you are in the public light - keep your opinions to yourself or among friends. I'm unhappy but I can see more sensitive people abandoning anything she's involved with.
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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 4:07 PM

Just as bad was her "solution" to the backlash: just delete your entire Twitter account! As if that's all it takes to erase the evidence. If she's that naive about social networking, she should stay away from it -- especially when she's tempted to ream someone.

This is so far from "snark" as we know it! This is called bullying and harrassment. She can't possibly come away from this unscathed; even many of her fellow conservatives were shocked over Limbaugh's initial rant, and now she's a proven dittohead, acting without facts but definitely with malice. It's juvenile and disgraceful.

I want to see the Hecks tonight, but it will never again leave my mind that PH is capable of this. (I'd love for Mike to bring home the cat; that would help a lot.)

(Edited: One "definitely" was enough.)

Edited by heirloomtomata, Mar 7, 2012 @ 4:09 PM.

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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 4:11 PM

I hope the writers are the spiteful type that would get revenge on PH for offending a good chunk of their viewers by writing a future episode where Sue has a medical need to go on the pill and Frankie is given lines about how going on contraceptives doesn't mean they're giving Sue permission to have sex, and how she's just grateful that Mike's medical insurance covers it, since the insurance plan offered at the car lot is run by people who think birth control is only for floozies, even though it has no trouble paying for Mr. Ehlert's Viagra.

I love this idea! From your lips to the producers' ears!!!

She can't possibly come away from this unscathed; even many of her fellow conservatives were shocked over Limbaugh's initial rant, and now she's a proven dittohead, acting without facts but definitely with malice.

I still can't get over this whole debacle. Does she think her truly vile remarks set her up as a "Christian" role-model? Because, hello, she has lost whatever credibility she once may have had in that department. Seriously, here she is, one of the few active political conservatives in her lefty-dominated acting world, and this is how she behaves? I guess she figures, she got her Emmys, now she can act like a moron. I wonder what her "Middle" co-stars must be thinking. And how interesting (and ironic) that some of her "Middle" producers/writers worked on the fabulous and left-leaning "Murphy Brown"!!!

Anyway, she's been down this lame-apology road before:

From Wikipedia

In October 2006, Heaton appeared in a commercial opposing a Missouri state constitutional amendment concerning embryonic stem cell research, which subsequently passed. The advertisement was a response to the election of Democratic Senate hopeful Claire McCaskill and ran at about the same time as Michael J. Fox's advertisement supporting the amendment... Following a public outcry, Heaton later said she regretted doing the ad and sent an apology to Fox, claiming she wasn't aware of Fox's ad before she did hers. Fox accepted her apology and later stated that ďIf we can have a healthy dialogue about issues that people see differently, thatís marvelous.Ē

Whereas I despised "Everybody Loves Raymond" and Debra in particular, I love "The Middle" and her role as Frankie. I just wonder how long it will take me to get this horrid vision of the real Ms. Heaton out of my head, if that's even possible!

Edited by stuckintraffic, Mar 7, 2012 @ 4:19 PM.

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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 4:29 PM

And her buddy and guru, the ever well informed wise Rush made fun of Fox at the congressional hearings and said he was faking his dire illness. What a guy! Hell, Nancy Reagan, a staunch repug supported stem cell research. Enough of this subject lest I get in trouble but bringing it back to the show I was looking forward to seeing it tonight but now not so much. Good observation on Murphy Brown, etc. As for everyone else it would be hard for me to be congenial with a co-worker who had acted as Ms. Heaton has. Don't these folks have public relations people since apparently some of them have no common sense when it comes to their fans, if not for the million other reasons?

I wish they'd get the cat too. I'd rather look at him. Hopefully he won't tweet with his fellow felines.
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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 5:00 PM

I was looking forward to seeing it tonight but now not so much.



It's a repeat.
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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 11:15 PM

Itís time to get back to talking about the show rather than Patricia Heatonís politics. There are plenty of gossip sites to do more of that if youíre interested, but on this site it needs to end here. Thanks.

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Posted Mar 7, 2012 @ 11:49 PM

Duly noted. We got real OT, me being one of the we. I watched some of the rerun tonight (it's an ep I like) and was pleased to make no connection between fact and fiction. The whole family is enjoyable in the New Years resolution episode, particularly Mike attempting to be jovial. Frankie was Frankie and nobody else. And isn't sweet little Brick a hoot when he goes thru withdrawal and barks at everyone? That kid can act for sure.
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Posted Mar 10, 2012 @ 12:41 AM

Dang if I can't relate to both Brick and Sue, even though I'm in my 30s now. Sue is the perennial loser, getting nothing she tries out for (poor girl when she has to start pounding the pavement for work).

Like Brick, I was born with a book in my hands. I've always been a big time bookworm (I learned to read at age 3). But when I started elementary school, it was a frightening experience for me. Being born in the fall, you're either the youngest or the oldest in your class. I was the youngest and the noises were scary, especially on the playground and in the gym. I was always trying to come up with an excuse not to have to go out to recess or P.E. Plus, I was hit in the face with a rebounded basketball. So when the episode of Brick's social group being forced out of the library onto the playground (from the first season) - with the "scary" camera angles and the terrified group desperately trying to run for cover hit uncomfortably close to home!!

Kudos to the cast and writers for keeping it real!!!
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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 2:50 PM

Hallmark acquires The Middle

First-Run, Off-Network Comedy Perfect Fit for Network's Family-Friendly Programming Mix; Series Launches 2014

Hallmark Channel is proud to announce it has acquired the popular comedy series, "The Middle" as the newest member in its programming family and will begin airing the first 88 episodes beginning March 2014. Additional seasons will join the rotation as they become available. The first-run, off-network comedy is a perfect fit in Hallmark Channel's line-up of family-friendly programming. "The Middle" joins ranks with such modern-day classics as "The Golden Girls" and "Frasier," which are already tremendous ratings successes for Hallmark Channel.


I don't know what "off-network" means here. But looks like the show will be around for a long time......I imagine Brick will surpass Sue and Axl and actually graduate high school one day, as opposed to his dimmer siblings....
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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 8:49 PM

Tonight's episode was a bit of a letdown (the Sue story), but the first time a Heck kid (Brick) actually gets a job provides the usual hilarious results. Loved Ed Asner's cameo.
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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 9:33 PM

How fabulous was Axl! first stepping in to warn Sue, then telling her some guy would like her, then rushing to her side after he hit her with the pick-off ball. I teared up some!
Now I'm off to IMDb to make sure it's legal for me to crush on Charlie McDermott. edited to add: Yes, he's over 21.

Edited by voiceover, Mar 14, 2012 @ 9:36 PM.

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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 10:05 PM

Was anybody else wondering if Lou Grant decided to play out the twilight years of his storied career as the editor of a small regional Indiana newspaper?
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Posted Mar 14, 2012 @ 10:09 PM

I was!!!! I was thinking about the Lou Grant spinoff when he worked at a newspaper when watching this. LOL
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 6:59 AM

As I've said before, Axl has gone from being my least favorite character to being far and away my favorite. He tries so hard to be the cool guy who hates his nerdy sister but he just can't do it. Heart of gold and so very funny!!!
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 8:34 AM

How fabulous was Axl! first stepping in to warn Sue, then telling her some guy would like her, then rushing to her side after he hit her with the pick-off ball.

This really was a good episode for Axl. Good thing he's learning pickoff moves--MLB Tonight just had a thing yesterday about how the pitchers in the pros who didn't dominate growing up (or at least went through a stage when they didn't fan all the batters) are better with that because they learned to pickoff before they made it to the pros.

I'm actually quite sad that Matt moved away but I guess it makes sense. A devoted boyfriend doesn't quite fit with what the Sue character has to be up against. And I did love the [Sue] ". . . and you'll never guess who" [all] "Sherry" bit.
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 9:29 AM

I totally felt my age when I agreed with everything Lou Grant said. Who lets their kid get away with that crap?

Good Axl/Sue bonding this episode. I like their maturing relationship. I think it's realistic that squabbling, bickering kids begin to become friends once they reach their teens.

The battery thing was pretty stupid. First I couldn't believe Frankie wouldn't let it go, then later I was on her side when Mike wouldn't give Brick the batteries that he had in the house and made Frankie go out in the cold to get them. Then, again, I can't believe they even let Brick get the Night Vision goggles since he didn't really earn the money.

Sometimes Mike's "man of the house" attitude bugs me. Frankie: "Was it bad cleaning up the vomit?" Mike: "I don't know, let me know when you're finished." I would have smacked him. They made it clear this episode that they each hold two jobs, so why does cleaning the vomit that Mike discovered become Frankie's job and she doesn't even say anything? Yuk.
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 9:42 AM

I really hope the headgear is short-lived and Sue doesn't have to wear it in every episode from now on.
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 9:42 AM

The battery thing was pretty stupid. First I couldn't believe Frankie wouldn't let it go, then later I was on her side when Mike wouldn't give Brick the batteries that he had in the house and made Frankie go out in the cold to get them.


But he didn't make Frankie go out and get them. She chose to. It wouldn't have killed Brick to wait until the next time she went shopping to get batteries for a toy he didn't even earn, but the second he said he didn't have batteries Frankie felt compelled to get them for him. My mother would have basically been "too bad, I'll pick some up next time I go shopping, until then, find something else to play with". Of course she also would have made me continue to do my paper route or quit rather than do it for me. Is it too late to trade parents?

They made it clear this episode that they each hold two jobs, so why does cleaning the vomit that Mike discovered become Frankie's job and she doesn't even say anything? Yuk.

He does it becuase she doesn't say anything. I'm surprised they made her pretty weak in that respect. I'm used to Debra Barone who belittled and badgered her husband. It's odd trying to adjust to her as a wife and mother who basically does whatever her family tells her to do without fighting back. Generally I agree, I don't like that type of relationship but I did think the scene was really funny so I overlooked it. I'll forgive many things on television if they are funny.
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 9:54 AM

I have so much Axl/Sue love after this episode. Every time I think this show can't get better, it does. I didn't think Brick had it in him to be a little manipulator, so it was awesome to see his slacker side come out.
Classic casting of Ed Asner as the newspaper editor. But I have to say, he is on my list of "I thought he was dead." So glad to see him again, love him!
One small detail that I love is the fact that Frankie wears the same purple jacket all the time, and Mike always seems to be in the same flannel shirt and jeans. It's attention to detail like this that makes the show ring true with me.
Secret stash of frosting! Doesn't everyone have a secret stash of something like that? I have a can of that squirt frosting in the back of my pantry for "emergencies."
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 11:18 AM

Sad for Sue losing her BF.

PLEASE lose the headgear ASAP.
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 11:18 AM

Was I dreaming or did Axl actually kiss Sue on the forehead after the baseball incident. I rewound it and swear that's what happened. Talk about of of character for Axl!
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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 11:19 AM

Another great episode. Loved Axl/Sue. I was surprised that they didn't go with Axl helping deliver the newspapers since he has a good throwing arm.

Poor Sue. I hope she finds another boyfriend soon.

Edited by msstaceyu, Mar 15, 2012 @ 11:20 AM.

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Posted Mar 15, 2012 @ 12:04 PM

I really hope the headgear is short-lived and Sue doesn't have to wear it in every episode from now on.


I agree!

This was just an ok episode, but I too really liked that "Lou Grant" was the newspaper editor and Axl was so conflicted about comforting his sister. But in the end he did the right thing.

I also liked how Brick did his job. That is how I would have guessed he would have done it: made sure every single newspaper was in line on the porch and stopping at one of the houses to read the paper.
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