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[TWoP Gadget]

Fresh off her legal victory over billionaire CEO Arthur Frobisher, Patty is taking a break from the law and pouring her energies into her new charitable foundation.

[JessicaLovejoy]

So, is Daniel the father of Julia Hewes?

In "good grief, I'm blind" news, how did I NEVER notice the blood on Patty's hands in the opening credits? Seriously, I want to bang my head into a wall.

Edited by JessicaLovejoy, Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:25 PM.

[dimples1]

I'm so pleased that Ellen's allowing her anger to fester and grow. OMG, she's going to be wicked in this season. Patty really thinks that she's THAT stupid, in her last conversation with her in the bar. I would have either slapped Patty or threw up at the table in utter disgust.

I loved the selection of the Ray Charles song in the "6 Months Later" scenes. The smooth, slow and soothing song amps up the intensity of what Ellen's going to do in the future.

[isiscloud]

William Hurt's character is a whacko and no wonder Patty doesn't want to go near him with a 10-foot pole!

Love the interaction between Ellen and Tim.

Uncle Pete should keep an eye on Ellen. I wonder if Patty had an idea she was about to be set up. She's naturally close to the chest with everything, but it's good to know she's slightly affected by Fisk's death and everything she's done.

Ellen should just say to Patty, "I know you tried to kill me, bitch!" And have some bunnies boiling in a pot when Patty gets back to her apartment.

The vision Ellen had about Frobisher reminded me of Dolly Parton's revenge fantasy in 9 to 5.

Looks like a kick-ass season.

[SassandtheCity]

I do love how old soul music seems to be the soundtrack to Ellen's rage, since they played James Brown at the season finale.

ETA: I want to like Timothy Olyphant's character but if season one taught me anything is if you're pretty eye candy on this show, your shelf life is not the longest.

Edited by SassandtheCity, Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:15 PM.

[Mia Nina]

I have to say I loved it. I know it's familiar to last season, but I want to see how the new mystery develops into its own. The cast is obviously superb, everyone turned in great performances. The cinematography established the cold but dangerous corporate atmosphere like last season.

Frobisher tearing up because someone was being nice to him actually moved me.

I did find Patty's son to be unusually sunny, but him talking to his mother was a big plot point tonight.

I don't remember his name, but Timothy Olyphant's character intrigues me. I doubt he's just a concerned fellow victim, but we'll see.

So, is Daniel the father of Julia Hewes?

That's the sense I got.

[alexias]

This show has me suspicious of everyone! I sat there thinking, "I wonder if William Hurt's character strangled his wife to force Patty's hand".

And the thing is?

I'm still not convinced it's out of the realm of possibility!

I loved the touches like Fisk popping up briefly and that Frobisher teared up at the kindness being shown him.

And if Pete is watching Ellen, is he not doing a very good job of it? Or is he doing a good job and Patty knows? OR is he doing a good job and Patty still doesn't know?

[isiscloud]

This show has me suspicious of everyone! I sat there thinking, "I wonder if William Hurt's character strangled his wife to force Patty's hand".

That was my thought since that what everyone seems to be doing. But, really, she's not a criminal attorney

[TeeVee329]

This show has me suspicious of everyone! I sat there thinking, "I wonder if William Hurt's character strangled his wife to force Patty's hand".

I had that same nagging suspicion. It was the way he said, "NOW will you help me", like he knew Patty would need this extra push to take his case. Plus, the wound to his head was on the smallish side.

I'm loving Ellen's transformation into a badass. Very intrigued by her quiet menace in the "six months later" scenes. And she's got a nice rapport with Olyphant's character (he doesn't have a name yet, correct?).

Fantastic premiere, the one bit that fell flat for me was Patty on Regis and Kelly.

[valny]

Watching the S1 preview before tonights ep put a big smile on my face. Good times.

And if Pete is watching Ellen, is he not doing a very good job of it? Or is he doing a good job and Patty knows?

I don't remember his name, but Timothy Olyphant's character intrigues me. I doubt he's just a concerned fellow victim, but we'll see.

Yeah, I was thinking right away that he's a plant to watch Ellen. Like Uncle Pete hired him or something. Trust no one...heh.


Lots of reviews really hyped the S2 premiere so I was expecting an amazing ep. Yes it was good and I enjoyed it(and boy did I miss this show) but not as good as I thought it would be. That's my fault because I always expect more.

At first, I thought Ellen was talking to herself in the 6 months later monologue. Now, who the hell knows!

The Regis and Kelly spot went on a bit too long for my taste. I agree with you on it falling flat TeeVee329

I was spoiled for William Hurt's wife being killed off, so not surprising for me.

Edited by valny, Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:22 PM.

[harlequinnade]

Glad to see Timothy Olyphant again. I missed Bullock.
Did Patty get the politician’s daughter arrested?
I say it’s Frobisher, not Patty in the six months later scene.

[valny]

Did Patty get the politician’s daughter arrested?

With the help of her son!

I say it’s Frobisher, not Patty in the six months later scene.

Ah, interesting. And the wheels are turning quickly after this first ep. I love that about this show, lots of speculating and guessing will be going on.

I wonder what exactly does Patty owe William Hurt's character?(one day I'll get the names down)
Although, she said she owes him nothing. Hmmm...

[dimples1]

And if Pete is watching Ellen, is he not doing a very good job of it? Or is he doing a good job and Patty knows? OR is he doing a good job and Patty still doesn't know?

Interesting point to make, Alexias. Maybe "6 months earlier", Uncle Pete hasn't found the thread or clues connecting Ellen to the FBI. He might discover something later on in the future episodes. At this point, he and Patty just know about the counseling sessions that she's attending and what Ellen WANTS them to know about what she's doing.

[millernate]

Deeply akward in the "Patty on Regis & Kelly with a cameo from Ellen" but everything else kicked ass. I liked that the underlying issue isn't fulling revealed unlike last season, which was more upfront. And oh my, has Ellen gone totally over to the dark side by the "Six Months Later" moment.

William Hurt's character could very well have strangled his wife to force Patty's hand. Judging by his house and the fact that he was involved in some very, very sensititive issues for that company he must be very intelligent/good at what he's doing but the man isn't stable.

By the way, did anyone get the sense that Patty set up the daughter of that rich guy as pay-back/incentive to go with the foundation? Something about Patty's manner when she met the daughter in rich guy's office reminded me of when she said goodbye to Ellen right before she tried to have Ellen wacked.

And, as mentioned, loved the Zejko cameo.

[braggtastic]

Patty Hewes is magic. Her hair grew about six inches in a month.
And I definitely think it's Frobisher in the current day scenes.

Edited by braggtastic, Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:28 PM.

[Elen]

Wow, that was wonderful! I was a little worried since my favorite characters from last season are, well, dead, but I found myself on the edge of my seat once again.

Patty Hewes is magic. Her hair grew about six inches in a month.

Ha! If anyone could make hair grow longer through sheer intimidation, it would be Patty.

Holy cow did Ted Danson look old with that beard. It was good to see Ray, if only for a minute or so.

I thought Patty would arrange for the Senator's daughter to have her acceptance to Yale revoked, but I liked the actual plotline much better. Far more sinister. :-)

[dimples1]

I'm even suspicious of Frobisher's nurse, that's how much I "trust no one", on this show.

I covet Patty's hair this season. It's fantastic and the back of the dress that Ellen was wearing for that event for the charity was amazing.

I love the cinematography of the show, especially the office scenes. Everything is so crisp and clean, but there's this underlining DIRT that keeps getting revealed.

I'm so glad this show is back.

[millernate]

A thought occurs. Between both timelines...this is probably the most human and remorsefull that I can recall Patty being during the run of the series for the crap she's pulled. And Ellen doesn't seem remorsefull or phased by anything she's doing (including, apparently, plugging someone...though we could always do the intentional miss). Does it seem like they're making Patty more human as they're making Ellen less?

One thing that is a bit irritating this season as opposed to last season is that we see almost nothing of the second timeline. I understand why they did because if we see who Ellen is talking to it gives away too much, but I liked last season's balance between both timelines.

Edited by millernate, Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:44 PM.

[valny]

I covet Patty's hair this season.

I liked it better in S1. Sometimes it was styled in a way that covered her forehead a bit more.

I love the cinematography of the show, especially the office scenes. Everything is so crisp and clean,

I noticed that too, it looks very movie-like.

but I liked last season's balance between both timelines.

I think I read in one review that they were going/wanted to tighten those up, to make them less confusing or flow better.... something like that.

ETA- those Cadillac commercial before the ep started were making me crazy...only because there were so many! I know they're the sponser but... on with the show!! The ep started a little late too.

Edited by valny, Jan 7, 2009 @ 11:54 PM.

[isiscloud]

Patty Hewes is magic. Her hair grew about six inches in a month.

And a killer (heh) facelift!

Loved Ellen's dress from the back, but not the front. Too cutesy. I'm surprised Ellen doesn't have a bigger office based on what she's been through and what she could get out of it such as being a junior partner.

I thought Patty would arrange for the Senator's daughter to have her acceptance to Yale revoked, but I liked the actual plotline much better. Far more sinister. :-)

The coke thing is much more embarrassing and requires a double check to cover the slightage.

First rule of Patty Hewes: One does not slight Patty Hewes and get away with it.

It's good to see that at least Patty has some sort of conscience and feels bad about Fisk's suicide and what she ultimately did to Ellen. I do think she's sad about that even though it failed. Obviously, she hasn't turned over a new leaf, but at least she's starting a fund (even though it's a PR ploy). Way too much Regis & Kelly. IG

Yeah, I don't think Ellen would be able to get Patty in such an intimate setting and it was very "date-like."

[dimples1]

Yeah, I don't think Ellen would be able to get Patty in such an intimate setting and it was very "date-like."

Well, up until the moment when Ellen said that she "regreted" what they did, in order to get Frobisher, Patty trusted her, I'm thinking even more than her psychophant, Tom. Once she heard the words "reqret" come out of Ellen's mouth, then she realized that she had to "cover her tracks".

Now, she's dealing with all of these feelings of guilt, which she's probably never really allowed herself to feel, in order to become the Patty Hewes that she is today.

[janinwb]

So glad the gang's back. Who was the guy that William Hurt went to see and pushed everything off the table at the beginning? He looked so familiar... was he a lawyer in Ray's firm?

[LeDucDiableBleu]

I really liked this S2 premier.

I loved how in Ellen's office, the wall behind her is bright red - sort of symbolizing her rage.

I've been thinking about how Ellen said "you should be scared; you should be terrified" and I think I remember her saying that in the commercials/previews, too, but her hair is different. I think she might be rehearsing this speech. But I do think the person she's talking to/will talk to is Frobi - because in her fantasy she shot him also - possible foreshadowing.

I freaking LOVED it when Patty took down Arsenow's daughter and he was so helpless to Patty. Whoever said above "don't slight Patty" is right! I thought it was hilarious when he said "the first time she tries cocain she gets busted." LOL And then Patty's son said she was a cokehead.

I was confused when Patty lied to Ellen at the bar because I thought the whole point of it was to clear her conscience. Do you think since she got the money for her foundation and was sort of on top of the world now that she doesn't have the guilt anymore?

I also think Patty knows this Infant Mortality case is a setup. She turns down dozens of cases from Tom, but accepts one from Ellen? I hope the FBI had Ellen pitching other cases to Patty so it didn't look so obvious.

Did I see a typo at the "gala?" It looked like the posterboards said "Hughes-Arsenow." I thought her name was spelled "Hewes."

[Mia Nina]

William Hurt's character could very well have strangled his wife to force Patty's hand.

Him showing up with his wife at Patty's charity event would totally fit with this. Patty met her, shook her hand and now she's dead.

I'm even suspicious of Frobisher's nurse, that's how much I "trust no one", on this show.

Lol! Me too. I kept thinking he was going to turn a corner and start dishing out details on Frobisher's recuperation to scary men in suits and dark sunglasses.

Now, she's dealing with all of these feelings of guilt, which she's probably never really allowed herself to feel, in order to become the Patty Hewes that she is today.

It's very telling that when Patty feels stressed or guilty, she doesn't just cry, her entire body shakes. That's some deep stuff she deals with. Her conscience is kicking her butt. Either she adjusts to those feeling and learns to deal with them, or she breaks down. There's no way she can stay coherent for more than a few years with the kind of emotional ghosts she has harrassing her that won't even let her sleep without nightmares.

[dimples1]

I think the guilt is eating away at Patty and that's why she's not sleeping at night and having Fiske 'haunt' her. I don't think she's felt this amount of guilt before for a long time and she's terrified.

[Nerva]

I had two nagging questions during this episode:

1) Patty kept saying her foundation didn't have any money, yet Regis told us she just made a killing with her last settlement. Why doesn't she give some of the Fiske blood money to the foundation?

2) Would a lawyer appear on Regis and Kelly? I don't watch the show, but I'm guessing their guests are usually actors, chefs, and reality TV stars. Lawyers don't bring in the ratings like American Idol contestants.

[Pinwiz]

I'm calling it now: Ellen shoots Tom. Tom will find out something that causes a betrayal that leads Ellen to officially turn into Patty because of the Hurt!case.

Yes, I know it's crazy but no one expected all the twists and turns last season.

As for the episode, I didn't really get into the first half. The issues with her foundation and the Regis and Kelly scenes felt off, but once they got into some real story things smoothed out. I know this is going to be a 13-week story so I don't mind.

[Sunshine64]

This was a great introduction to the season, one I'm looking forward to.

I completely agree with the "Trust No One" sentiment though. My first thought about the Timothy Olyphant character was he was Uncle Pete's eyes and ears with a sob story custom made to get under Ellen's guard. He had her phone so (Burn Notice taught me this one) he could have bugged it too. It reminds me of how last year Patty Hewes knew about the juror who was working for Frobisher all along. And with Ellen shutting Patty out, I can see her planting someone in Ellen's personal life. I have no doubt that Patty Hewes will know or already does know that Ellen is working with the FBI.

And I totally believe Patty Hewes set up Arsenow's daughter even though nothing was said. It's just something that Patty Hewes would do in the normal course of manipulating people to do her will.

I like how they kept Frobisher around. Another excellent job by Ted Danson. He's limited to basically his upper body and still he manages to show emotions ranging from disgust to self-pity to hopefulness.

I'm not on the William Hurt love train. He bugs. I didn't like his scenes. They felt flat to me.

Glenn Close was amazing.

The theme of the season is also interesting. Revenge versus forgiveness. Patty Hewes modus operandi is revenge--served cold and with a subpoena. But will she start moving towards forgiveness by taking the murder case of her possible former lover.

Either way I'm looking forward to the rest of the season.

[SlovakPrincess]

I do love how old soul music seems to be the soundtrack to Ellen's rage, since they played James Brown at the season finale.

Perhaps we'll find out that these were David's favorite songs or something?

Yay, I got my wish! Ray Fiske cameo!

Yay, William Hurt!

I was confused when Patty lied to Ellen at the bar because I thought the whole point of it was to clear her conscience.

I think this was Patty's f'd up way of apologizing to Ellen without really admitting what she had to apologize for. I think in her own twisted way, Patty does deeply regret trying to have Ellen killed - not because she almost murdered someone, for crying out loud, but because she actually respects and likes Ellen. I think Patty actually thinks her remorse is worth something.
This is why I find Patty so fascinating. She did some completely unforgiveable things - but has convinced herself she can somehow make up for what she did to Ellen - but is also wracked with guilt about Fiske.

Edited by SlovakPrincess, Jan 8, 2009 @ 12:43 AM.

[boris]

Nerva I figured that Patty could justify her cut of the settlement as necessary costs to mount the case with investigators, lawyers, arguing that it didn't all go into her pocket.

As for the general appearance on Regis and Kelly, you got me.

Arsenow is lucky that he doesn't have a dog that Patty knows of. His daughter could have ended up in a worse place.