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[TWoP Barnes]

(Yahoo says:) Originally Aired: October 27, 2008
Edward must go to Mexico and get schematics of Russia s next-generation nuclear bomb; Tom s wife becomes suspicious of his many business trips and hires a private investigator.

[quietone]

WHOA! Totally did not see that ending coming. The therapist is in on it too?!

Can't wait to see the fall-out from Tom's wife hiring a P.I. I'm glad the show is pursuing that angle. It would be ridiculous if neither of the wives got suspicious about their husbands' frequent and sudden business meetings and trips.

When Henry said 'that dress is perfection' I so wanted him to say 'perfecto' instead.

[Country Girl]

Still loving this show. Please don't get canceled, MOWE.

[ReadIshmael]

I love the messages Henry and Edward leave for each other. Right now it's my favorite part of the whole show. They're just so bitchy to each other. Heeeee.

Poor Henry looked like his head was going to explode at the end. I don't think I've really acknowledged how awful and confusing this whole thing must be for him. And now he has to jump out of planes with a few seconds notice.

I like watching Edward be Edward. I like watching Henry be Edward. I like watching Edward be Henry. I'm still not fully sold on Henry being Henry, but his last scene with his daughter helped move that along; I think I just didn't get to see him really be a good husband and father enough to care before.

The Tom stuff was interesting because it gives us a look at what the Henry/Edward situation was like before things went wrong.

[ScribblerGuy]

Overall, a solid episode, and one that definitely raised the stakes for Henry/Edward and Tom/Raymond.

But, the following line from the episode does give me some cause for concern: "MI5 is planning a sting in Bogata" (or something close to that). MI5 is a moniker for the United Kingdom's domestic intelligence agency, the Security Service, which only has authority inside the UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland). Their foreign intelligence agency is the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), which is usally called MI6, especially in the American media. That's just such a weird mistake and could be evidence of "did not do the research syndrome."

[TheSeasAsleep]

Another thoroughly enjoyable episode -- thanks, Henry! He is still my favorite character so far, and the freak-outs continue, much to my delight. I know it's kind of sick to be enjoying his horror, bewilderment and exasperation but I find his responses so honest. I found it hilarious that the evul tech? weapons? all around bad stuff? runner preferred Henry to Edward. Aw, Henry made a friend!

Last week I recall thinking how embarrassing it would be if Henry's "vengeance" on Edward amounted to something lame like hurting himself -- mildly, of course, because really, Edward's the super-spy baddie with an (likely) ungodly pain tolerance in their shared existence. Then this week Henry hauls off and breaks... his pinky. LOL I visibly winced at the act and the reaction I imagined from Edward. It did not disappoint: cub-scout, ha! Complimenting his initiative, then forgoing pain meds as punishment, double ha! Out the plane you go, Henry, out the plane you go. The show did cheap out on that moment though, took me out of it a bit, but what can you do?

I do like how they expanded the storyline out from 'Hedward', as so deliciously coined by Raymond. All episode I was like, poor Tom's wife! I wonder how that P.I. thing will work out for her? Methinks someone will end up with a bullet in the head. Who? I'm not sure. I think Mike O'Malley's ability to flip so well from character to character is awesome; he's a better asset to the cast than I would have originally thought.

What else did I like? Hmm. Well, I liked that Henry finally was able to enjoy a few hot kisses with his wife. The man deserves a reward, damn it! I liked that Henry seems like a really good dad but not in a cloying, 'Leave It To Beaver' way. The psychiatrist who -- is it just me or did she sex up for her Henry session? -- turned out to be an agent. Surprise! Not. I'm placing bets she's the closest Edward came to marriage B.H. (Before Henry). And next week looks like the sh**!! Add me to the chorus of folks calling for a full season pick-up and spot in next year's line up.

[roseredscared]

This show continues to be a lot of fun to watch. I'm very happy they didn't pull their punches and that they made it clear that Edward was the one who killed Henry's doctor college friend. Makes Edward a lot more scary and dangerous. Henry needs to watch himself carefully. It was pretty stupid to thing that guy was an FBI agent though. Hopefully Henry will learn from all of this.

Anyway, the characters are all still entertaining as hell and the dialogue is fun. Henry/Edward, Mavis, Raymond/Tom, hell I even like Henry's kids for some reason. Sure the premise has a ton of holes in them but, hey, I hardly ever watch TV for plot alone, give me fun and interesting characters and I'll stay tuned.

[CChambers]

I've never been a very big Christian Slater fan, so I almost passed on this show. I'm very glad that I didn't. It's becoming one of the few shows I actually look forward to each week.

I'm very interested in what the therapist's motives are. I hope its more than her being Edward's lover or something. I also think the Raymond/Tom and his wife plot line is going to end very badly for all involved. Love the videos between Edward and Henry, they just can't help but take shots at each other whenever possible. I hope this keeps up. Also, Henry should keep a mental list of things Edward cares about for the next time he want to try and piss him off. So far it should be his car and his watch.

[Wilde]

This is the show that has most upset my expectations in a very long time.

I initially expected an utterly derivative Slater does tv version of Arnie's 'True Lies' but its really found its own groove and has set up the main characters pretty well after only 3 episodes. Hopefully they've put some thought into a long-term arc should they be successful in getting picked up fully.

Love the phone messages too, especially the way they hang up well before the other is finished..

[Glory]

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved drunk Henry pretending to be Edward. I was a little shocked that Henry gave up (what I felt was) a lot of information to Gael, but it all worked out at the end - a twist I really enjoyed.

Christian Slater is definitely selling both personalities and I am really glad they chose him for the role.

Mike O' Malley, too, is someone I am really enjoying. Tom trying to comfort his wife was so sweet, though Raymond is scarey! I think he might even be scarier than Edward at this point. Yikes!

I don't really like Saffron Burrows, but I'll give her secret agent therapist a shot. I'm spoiled, so I"ll move any other conversation about her over to that thread.

[neciamorris]

There's an error in the recap:

and holding him in sniper crosshairs unless he gets $10 million from Janus.

The $10 million was a bounty from the Uzi's (the villain in the pilot) organization. Janus was going to pay Gael $6 million for the schematics, which Gael also gave to Edward for free after reneging on selling him to Uzi's comrades.

don't really like Saffron Burrows, but I'll give her secret agent therapist a shot.

I'm disappointed but not surprised at her expanded role. I can't stand her. I wish showrunners would understand that you can't cast a Saffron Burrows in a seemingly insignificant role and not have the audience waiting for her "change." It takes all the surprise out of the surprise. Otherwise, a great entry with last night's episode. I love Henry, I really do.

[terxav]

I was really surprised when Tom's wife tried to the mood by going to the hotel and putting on some lingerie, wow she looked alot different from her normal "here is another freak business trip" self. Which goes to a growing problem with this show, how many emergency/last minute out of town meetings are supposed to rack up before the families of these agents fall apart.

Oh and two thoughts came to me this episode, if Henry's personality was created 20 years ago, how old was Edward when he subjected himself to the process. And second, when was the chip installed, according to Henry's dead doctor friend it was next generation of next generation technology. So if the chip was installed two decades ago, how is it so complex.

Oh and how do we know Janus is actually a good organization? I kind of think of Alias and how the entire organization thought they were a secret branch of the CIA when they had nothing whatsoever to do with the government.

[janie jones]

I think Edward was around 20 when Henry was created.

I was just telling my friend yesterday how pointless the psychiatrist character was, so now I'm glad she's doing something. While I'm not surprised she knew what was going on with Hedward, it seems like the number of people who know about the problem with the chip is growing. At first, it was just Raymond and Mavis and the tech guy, but then in this episode, they showed two extras at the conference table when Edward called and said he was with the daughter. I thought Mavis was trying to keep it a secret. I'm assuming the psychiatrist figured it out on her own, but those two guys in the conference room bothered me.

When Tom's wife showed Henry's wife the porn site, I thought Henry's wife was going to explain to her "the hummingbird."

[Ankai]

And second, when was the chip installed, according to Henry's dead doctor friend it was next generation of next generation technology. So if the chip was installed two decades ago, how is it so complex.

I guess that he was a few generations off.

Oh and how do we know Janus is actually a good organization?

We don't. So far, I don't believe that Henry is convinced. None of them seem particularly sympathetic.

I really enjoyed this episode. I loved drunk Henry pretending to be Edward. I was a little shocked that Henry gave up (what I felt was) a lot of information to Gael, but it all worked out at the end - a twist I really enjoyed.

I thought that that was a little weird that Gael enjoyed that, but it sort of almost made sense after it was revealed that Gael sold him out (and then hilariously saved him anyways since I am guessing that his part in the deal did not stipulate that Edward had to be dead). It seemed to me that Henry was making himself a liability to the point of getting himself killed, which might be the only way to "kill the monster" that is his real self.

The MI5 thing had bothered me, but I did not know why. Thanks, ScribblerGuy.

I thought that it was quite sad when Tom came home and got into an argument with his wife about the location change. At first I had thought that he was covering up, but then remembered that he was Tom and he really believed what he was saying.

[Glory]

At first I had thought that he was covering up, but then remembered that he was Tom and he really believed what he was saying.

And that's the rub, isn't it? Poor "Tom" has no idea that he did anything wrong. He truly loves his wife and (probably) would never cheat on her. And yet...

This show makes my brain hurt in a good way. I really do hope it sticks around.

[Njeri]

I'm not enjoying it. Henry is petulant and annoying. It beggars belief that after the poisoning -- I specifically remember him choosing this life -- and seeing his college buddy murdered he still doesn't understand that these people are not to be trifled with. It's every week with the same shit. How stupid and reckless can he possibly be to endanger himself and his family life this?

MI5 is a moniker for the United Kingdom's domestic intelligence agency, the Security Service, which only has authority inside the UK (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland). Their foreign intelligence agency is the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS), which is usally called MI6, especially in the American media. That's just such a weird mistake and could be evidence of "did not do the research syndrome."

Alias was the same. Poorly researched, fake technology, superspies who look like they've never handled a firearm before in their lives. The writers write with a small child's understanding of the subject matter: "...and then the baddies come, and he karates one *HIYAH!* and then he blows them up *KABOOM* and then..."

It's an area in which Burn Notice really excels. I miss Burn Notice.

[TGC-64]

I'm still puzzling over Henry and the Shrink. She works for AJ Sun, and Henry KNOWS that AJ Sun and Janus are either two halves of the same whole or are cooperating with the cover operation. If the chip's failure and Hedward's lack of control over their swapping is potentially self-lethal secret if known by TPTB at Janus/AJ Sun found out...why all the tap-dancing? Henry should be on his best behavior and telling her all his confusion's cleared away...not delving deeper into Hedward's misbehavior and the doctor-friend's murder.

Did Edward buy that refrigerator, or did he send over the 'frig from "his" secret apartment? Was it just a new, shiny stainless-steel refrig that Henry reacted-to? Or, that Edward's refrig. was now in Henry's kitchen...staking a territorial-claim in Henry's home-life? It was more than just a "...oh, new 'frig"-reaction. More like, "Oh my god, ...what's THAT doing here?"

And Henry's not even attempting to impersonate Edward while in Mexico seemed more like deliberate death-wish. "Kill me, I just don't care".

[janie jones]

I figured Edward bought Henry's family the refrigerator.

And I agree. Henry should know that his therapist is in it with Janus/AJ Sun/whomever.

[Bollen04]

I took the whole refrigorator thing as a decent gesture from Edward. A temporary truce. Henry pointed out to Edward that He (Henry) tries his best to impersonate Edward. Edward doesn't try to be Henry. Henry wanted Edward to show him the same respect. To me the refrigorator was Edwards way of saying "I get it".

I am curious to see if Henry's daughter gets more screen time than the son. They can really play up the angle of "Daddy's Girl" and how Edward deals with that type of relationship. It will be fun to watch him bond with Henry's daughter and see Henry's reaction to the relationship.

Awesome Show!!!!

[bluemagic]

Hey, so does anyone know what that MacGuyver-esque mixture was that H/E put together while running from the thugs in the market? It looked like he took a 2-liter of cola, emptied it out, tossed some foil and toilet bowl cleaner in and voila, instant 4-story explosion!!

Yay pseudoscience!

[Rina99]

I love the messages Henry and Edward leave for each other. Right now it's my favorite part of the whole show. They're just so bitchy to each other. Heeeee.

Mine, too. They're so like 13-year old girls leaving each other nasty myspace messages, except with more spy stuff and killing. I'm really loving this show. I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed Christian Slater in decent outings.

[Shadow Knows]

I was really surprised when Tom's wife tried to the mood by going to the hotel and putting on some lingerie, wow she looked alot different from her normal "here is another freak business trip" self.

I'll admit to rewinding, pausing and adjusting contrast and brightness.

Hey, so does anyone know what that MacGuyver-esque mixture was that H/E put together while running from the thugs in the market? It looked like he took a 2-liter of cola, emptied it out, tossed some foil and toilet bowl cleaner in and voila, instant 4-story explosion!!

Toilet bowl cleaner and aluminum react and give off heat and hydrogen gas. The gas expands until pressure causes the bottle to explode. I think the "4-story explosion!!" was supposed to be the result of him propping the bottle against some fireworks.

[ElleEstTrois]

This is the show that has most upset my expectations in a very long time.

Indeed! Mine, too! I really expected slapstick crap w/ a serious lack of ...seriousness. But it's more like a hostile occupation.

Love the phone messages too, especially the way they hang up well before the other is finished.

I do, as well. Nice touch. I can almost hear the, "Shut the Flock up!"

Christian Slater is definitely selling both personalities and I am really glad they chose him for the role.

Agreed. It seems to be evolving into something more distinct with each episode. I wonder if the personalities are so divergent on purpose--gotta keep 'em separated.

I think the above ground handler knew way too much about Henry's therapist appts (setting them up, reminding Henry) to not have the therapist as a Janus insider or, at least, have her monitored. Since the men are essentially experiments in progress, Janus would want to monitor their creations' mental health very closely. I don't see Janus letting their creations sit down w/ a shrink and not have strict controls over that info. They monitor every scratch and scrape and since their brains are the project, the therapists' data would be, I think, as closely monitored as their home life. I would expect any anomalies to surface in a therapist's session next after dreams. A great place to stalk your employees.

If the therapist is a Janus insider, I'm concerned that Alfree didn't actively intercede to keep her from finding out that HEd's broken. I guess it depends on if she's (the therapist) just a Janus employee, a Janus employee trusted by Alfree, or a Janus employee acting as eyes inside the experiment for Trumbull.

Wow! That's the most I've commented on a show this season. Guess I may be hooked.

[Kelane]

This is easily my favorite new show of the season. I'm really enjoying it, but I'm really worried that it will be cancelled. That's one of the reasons I always hesitate to even watch a new show until its more established because you run the risk of getting sucked in and then it just goes away. Oh well. I'll keep watching for as long as I can. I'm loving CS in this role.

[supposebly]

Same here. I'm enjoying this immensely. Best scene for me was actually the one between Tom and his wife when he "proved" to her that he was in Seattle. It showed that that was so not the point of the conversation and it made me feel terrible for his wife.
As quietone said upthread, I love that they address the almost inevitable fallout from all those last minute "business trips." And that it isn't enough to cover your tracks convincingly, if your spouse doesn't trust you anymore, not even the most convincing story will help.

And when she was sitting in the hotel with the lingerie on, for some reason I remembered a line from Alias when Sidney dressed up in lingerie for some bad guy, he made her change it and after she kicked his ass, she hisses at him something along the lines, do you think wearing this is comfortable?

Agreed on the bitchy phone messages, especially the hang-ups. I laughed out loud when Henry tried to get rid of his daughter while he informed Edward that he was supposed to buy a dress with his daughter. In my head it went like this: "Excuse me while I inform my evil alter ego that he is to go dress shopping with you."

Loved the whole story around the dress.

Loved the refrigerator story and Edward doing something for Henry and Henry getting some hot almost sex out of it.

I feel kinda blah about the therapist. I have no expectations about Saffron Burrows one way or the other. They better get her more to do than being some generic hot spy chick. We have Raymond for that and he is anything but generic.

"Hedward". Bwah! I know, I'm five.

[Temis the Vorta]

They're so like 13-year old girls leaving each other nasty myspace messages, except with more spy stuff and killing. I'm really loving this show.

That's what keeps me watching, too. Yes, it makes no sense Janus would brainwash their agents to have a clueless, and therefore vulnerable, cover personality. Yes, it makes no sense that Henry would not realize the inevitability of Edward taking his family hostage to use as leverage as their little game ratchets up. But Edward maxing out the credit card and Henry retaliating by bashing his own hand was hilarious, so I'll keep watching for now.

This is easily my favorite new show of the season.

Me too by default. Lousy season for new shows. Kudos to MOWE for getting me to keep watching past the first 20 minutes.

Edited by Temis the Vorta, Oct 29, 2008 @ 5:22 PM.

[TV Anonymous]

I like this episode, I just hope that Henry has more spine with Edward. If Edward can screw with his life, why can't he his? Throwing away Edward's Medal of Honor, for an extreme example.

On another note, I cringed when they showed Henry - who never did a parachute jump in his life - forced out of the aircraft. When I was younger I participated in a military jump course and it took me a month full time. I believe that military free fall takes additional three months. How he walks away from the jump uninjured makes me wonder.