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[Circus Poodle]

Let's speculate on what this or that might mean, and what might happen in the future of the series. But without spoiling anything - in case like me they haven't read the books etc.

So, who thinks Sam is actually the dog who is always showing up mysteriously to protect Sookie? The dog only is seen around Sam's bar.

Who thinks Jason is being framed for Maudette's murder? And by whom?

I think Jason is being framed by the 'real killer'. I think the real killer could've been the vampire returning for the real reason he paid $1000, a thrill kill. Or it could've been some person who's very anti vampire and wants to make it look like they are all evil killers. What do you think?

[gl_shark]

Who thinks Jason is being framed for Maudette's murder? And by whom?

I noticed a picture of Maudette and a boyfriend/husband in some kind of prom or wedding picture. It's in close up and then the camera pans over to Jason and Maudette having sex. I was wondering what happened to that relationship or if she is still in the relationship and she is sneeking around with Jason. But I think the guy is an ex, because it seems everyone knows the dirty gossip in the small town.
So with all my years as a casual viewer of CSI and Law and Order, my first possible suspect is ex boyfriend.

[needsleep05]

At first I was kind of annoyed that Sookie was going to be another gorgeous girl who can't get a date, but then it occurred to me that her lack of a dating life is probably due to her hearing her dates having seedy thoughts about sexing her up.

So, who thinks Sam is actually the dog who is always showing up mysteriously to protect Sookie? The dog only is seen around Sam's bar.

Does this have something to do with werewolf or shape-shifter mythos? I know next to nothing about them, so this theory confused the hell out of me in the episode thread.

I think I'd be more inclined to believe Sam was the dog if it showed up in places other than the bar to look after Sookie.

I think Jason's being framed as well, but I do think it could be interesting if he did kill Maudette because he got to caught up in his wannabe vampire bondage sexytime.

Edited by needsleep05, Sep 11, 2008 @ 6:58 PM.

[Circus Poodle]

Does this have something to do with werewolf or shape-shifter mythos?

Yes, the theory goes that Sam changes into a dog at times. Why, we don't know yet.

I think I'd be more inclined to believe Sam was the dog if it showed up in places other than the bar to look after Sookie.

Maybe part of the spell he's under is that he can't go far from the bar. The dog is never seen anywhere else - I'm not sure Sam is either. No one seems to know where the dog lives, although it could also just be a regular dog and live in those woods somewhere.

I agree it would be interesting either way, whether Jason killed Maudette or someone else framed him. Jason seems stupid enough, frankly, to get caught up in it or to fall into a frameup. About the photo of Maudette and some other guy - it could be a prom photo.

To me, though, Maudette looked about 40. When Sookie said the two went to high school together that confused me. Sookie looks in her late 20s at the most. I thought maybe Maudette won some sort of Mrs. America beauty pageant or went to some 'past pageant queens' celebration and the bald guy was her husband. He looked fairly old also.

For me the photo was a poignant testament that Maudette used to be something other than the town bicycle.

[Aunty Mib]

For me the photo was a poignant testament that Maudette used to be something other than the town bicycle.

Just have to jump in and mention that she had apparently only ever slept with 1 guy for money, 1 time, as a kick. Jason seemed a bit surprised that she had done it. None of the other women referred to her as a prostitute or a slut and it wasn't brought up as a possible motive by the construction workers much less by the police officers.

It seems to me that if anyone is the 'town bicycle' it would be Jason.

[Mishki]

So, who thinks Sam is actually the dog who is always showing up mysteriously to protect Sookie? The dog only is seen around Sam's bar.

There has to be something going on with that dog. Otherwise, why have Bill and Sookie have a conversation about it? And why, in the preview for next week's episode, did they pointedly show the Rattray guy pointing the gun at the dog? If there isn't something to that, it's a really bizarre writing/directing choice to feature the dog so prominently, in the foreground rather than the background. Does anyone have a theory about the dog besides dog = Sam?

Edited by TWoP Bayliss, Sep 13, 2008 @ 12:42 PM.
Spoiler bars are for spoilers.

[Circus Poodle]

it wasn't brought up as a possible motive by the construction workers much less by the police officers.

I wasn't thinking of it as a motive, personally. And the way everyone talked about her, (maybe it was alluded to in the specials too, I can't recall) it certainly did seem she'd give anyone a ride. FWIW, town bicycle doesn't mean in any way money changed hands. Also every character that mentioned her name had disdain for her. As for Jason, double standards are alive and well.

Mishki, I can't think of another dog theory, no. I suppose it could be someone else we haven't met yet.

ETA: Speculation after viewing the second episode.

I think Bill has already and is already running a 'glamour' on Sookie. I think he's so crafty with it he'd know how to make it undetectable (remember he said vampires get stronger over the years and better able to cover what they've done - he might've meant more than physical prowess).

What if he's already cast a glamour on her from the beginning? Think how she walked over to him as if drawn over. How she has done everything he's bid her do. Maybe he even went with the Rattrays knowing she'd follow. Why, I don't know yet - but what if?

I think his 'glamour' face on their walk was him giving Sookie what she thought it would look like. What if the real glamour was his 'helpless newcomer' act? "I'm new in town, I don't know anybody, I'm a nice guy" could be the real glamour. Check Sookie's body language around him. It's as if she is hypnotised. Her body obeys instantly whenever he gives her the slightest command. She is not like that around anyone else. One could also argue that she's simply into him, but there's something else going on, I think. Why did she go to his house late at night? Why is she dreaming about him? I'm going to be watching with the notion that Sookie has already been put under his spell, purposely.

Edited by Circus Poodle, Sep 16, 2008 @ 7:11 AM.

[Glory]

This is a response to Kris_AB in the media thread.

It doesn't make sense to assume that Sam is some variety of vampire because, as far as we've been shown/told so far on the show, Sookie can't hear vampires' thoughts. She heard plenty of Sam's in the first episode.

Ahh... except that Sookie has only ever met one vamp (Bill) that she knows of. So it could be that she can't hear the thoughts of vampires as a species. Or it could be that she can't hear Bill's thoughts. One of these is very much Twilight-esque, but it could be the possibility.

And, for what it's worth, I viewed Bill's comment as that some vampire's could shapeshift, but that it wasn't one of his talents.

Edited by Glory, Sep 17, 2008 @ 1:27 PM.

[Circus Poodle]

From the episode "The First Taste" thread:

The painting, however -- that was stalkerish, IMO. Did he go around the country looking for a painting of a dog and a blond girl? Did he have it commissioned? Did he paint it himself?

I didn't interpret it any of those ways. I do agree with your thought that Sam isn't 'stalking' Sookie so much as he simply likes her and doesn't want to see her come to any harm.

The backstory I've imagined for Sam and the painting are that somehow he's been put in this position against his will. Sort of a Beauty and the Beast type of thing. Maybe someone put a spell on him, or he has to get someone to love him to break the spell. Or maybe he was born a shapeshifter, and in his limited access to people, Sookie seems to have the best heart and be the most decent person. His devotion, as someone else pointed out, is perfectly normal for a canine. It could be that his main form is as a dog, not a human, so his dog qualities show up in his human interactions.

As for the painting, what if it is a sort of magical object that holds a key to his condition or to his freedom? What if it is there as a clue for those interested enough to help him? I'm thinking of Cocteau's La Belle et la Bete, and the glove, horse, and key.

Or it could just be a painting he picked up at a flea market, because he couldn't resist the irony. YMMV.

[needsleep05]

Or it could just be a painting he picked up at a flea market, because he couldn't resist the irony. YMMV.

Heh. Maybe he bought it as a conversation piece, but Sookie never took the bait. :)

And, for what it's worth, I viewed Bill's comment as that some vampire's could shapeshift, but that it wasn't one of his talents.

That's how I interpreted the comment too. I wonder if that creepy bald bastard with the tattoos can shapeshift?

[Circus Poodle]

I wonder if that creepy bald bastard with the tattoos can shapeshift?

Ew. He seems to be the only vampire so far who fidgets and flits like that. What would he shapeshift into - a flea? He does kind of remind me of Blake's sketch Ghost of a Flea.

[the fresh maker]

I think Jason is being framed by the 'real killer'. I think the real killer could've been the vampire returning for the real reason he paid $1000, a thrill kill. Or it could've been some person who's very anti vampire and wants to make it look like they are all evil killers. What do you think?

I like the idea of a human framing vampires. Someone wants to keep vampires out of Bon Temps. However, it's obvious that several Bon Temps residents are fangbangers. Jason is easy to frame because he sleeps with everybody. All the killer has to do is wait for Jason to make a booty call on a fangbanger.

But I do think there are vampires doing their own killing (some victims being the fundamentalist and his entire family). I'm sure the vampire community is just as divided about interacting with/putting up with humans as the humans are with accepting vampires.

I found a little nugget in the previews to be really interesting. It seems that Bill is pretty low in the vampire hierarchy. He gets snapped at in his own house. Now, is that because Bill is pretty young as far as vampires are concerned, or because he hasn't really involved himself in their affairs (whatever those affairs turn out to be)?

As for the painting, what if it is a sort of magical object that holds a key to his condition or to his freedom?

Maybe he can't bring the painting up himself, and he can only talk about what he is if someone asks about it, which is another reason why he might have wanted Sookie to read his mind. Or maybe he does not feel comfortable talking about what he is because he's really an outsider and fears rejection. Sookie is the one person who is most likely to accept him for who and what he is.

[Quintana]

What if he's already cast a glamour on her from the beginning? Think how she walked over to him as if drawn over. How she has done everything he's bid her do. Maybe he even went with the Rattrays knowing she'd follow. Why, I don't know yet - but what if?

I think his 'glamour' face on their walk was him giving Sookie what she thought it would look like. What if the real glamour was his 'helpless newcomer' act? "I'm new in town, I don't know anybody, I'm a nice guy" could be the real glamour.

Circus Poodle, I was really intrigued by this notion. I feel like "Mine" dispelled this, since the other vamps were unable to put Sookie under their spell.

I suppose it could be that Bill can glamour her, but others can't. But that doesn't seem quite right.

However, I think you do bring up a good point: glamour or no, Bill's actions are suspect. Whether it's outright hypnotism, or the art of manipulation, I don't think Bill is being fully honest with Sookie. Or maybe just not fully forthcoming.

I have to say I really love the Bill/Sookie interactions. I can totally buy into their interest in each other, even without knowing the full details of the characters' motivations. I just think you may be on to something in that Bill has and is using his influence over Sookie, in some way.

[While A Coyote]

What if he's already cast a glamour on her from the beginning? Think how she walked over to him as if drawn over.

The way I read that scene it was a few things:

1.) A play on the whole "I saw him and fell in love at first sight" thing from sappy movies and books.

2.) Some sense of less mental noise coming from his direction. Which I suppose might be a kind of unintentional lure for her.

3.) She also seemed to recognize him from his complexion (pale). I don't suppose many people in the sunny deep South look like that. So she knew he was a Vamp on sight. And she seemed to be a bit of a Vamp Fan from watching them on the news.

4.) I suppose she was expecting to seat him and be his waitress. She just went to him FASTER because of the above things.

[Circus Poodle]

Quintana I don't think you 'blathered' at all, I think you were dead-on (no pun intended).

I think at least this is going on:

However, I think you do bring up a good point: glamour or no, Bill's actions are suspect. Whether it's outright hypnotism, or the art of manipulation, I don't think Bill is being fully honest with Sookie. Or maybe just not fully forthcoming.

Her attraction to him was just too immediate, too strong, and defies logic; I've had some attractions that met all those qualifications but not to her degree with Bill, and not to undead murderers. Just saying.

I suppose it could be that Bill can glamour her, but others can't.

He said something about glamouring 'for love'. Maybe if the human loves the vampire it makes a difference? Sookie might love Bill but most definitely does not love the weird three she found at his mansion. I guess to sum it up I don't trust Bill much...Also, the way he vehemently says "I'm not human!" any time there is the slightest confusion on that issue. What's he doing with Sookie? He's also just awfully dour. Although, I can see how he would be. But the eternally dour are not usually overly romantic, are they? So what's with the Southern Gentleman stuff. Maybe he is trying to be her perfect man.

[Quintana]

(pardon me while I squee---speculation gets me through the time between the shows. ahem: squee!)

Her attraction to him was just too immediate, too strong, and defies logic; I've had some attractions that met all those qualifications but not to her degree with Bill, and not to undead murderers. Just saying.

Circus Poodle, I hadn't really thought of it that way. I was just sort of along for the ride, buying into the whole scheme to get this party kicked off.

Perhaps Sookie's insta-crush could be explained in this way: she was primed to meet a vampire. For the novelty, the mystery, and maybe, a little subconsciously, for the chance to meet something else that was outside the norm (something like her.)

She didn't have much time to get over the novelty before she discovered the real deal-sealer: the blessed silence of the undead. I think it's safe to bet that this is THE gateway for all her other feelings, for Sookie even getting to entertain HAVING feelings. Other characters are even discussing it (Sam and Tara), so I don't think the importance of this interplay can be overstated.

It's a theory that could explain Sookie's infatuation in a way that doesn't require prior glamouring or manipulation.

I guess to sum it up I don't trust Bill much...Also, the way he vehemently says "I'm not human!" any time there is the slightest confusion on that issue. What's he doing with Sookie? He's also just awfully dour. Although, I can see how he would be. But the eternally dour are not usually overly romantic, are they? So what's with the Southern Gentleman stuff. Maybe he is trying to be her perfect man.

I think we are in agreement here: Bill has yet to earn my trust. Nor do I think he should have earned Sookie's. I like that she still has doubts and expresses them, to Bill and to Gran.

More theorizin'--Bill's insistence on defining the differences, his inhumanity, is his attempt to be honest with Sookie. Maybe this is non-glamour, non-manipulative side of Bill. Or even if this is manipulative, I think it's still probably a very honest aspect. Sookie has stars in her eyes, despite her worldliness. It's like Sookie's gotten to see every NC-17 movie ever made, but she's never had a lover touch her neck. She's book-wordly, not experience-wordly. I think Bill suspects this, and is trying to let Sookie know what she's in for. Maybe he (and other vamps for that matter) have experienced the tragedy of relationships with mortals who didn't "get it."

I think part of Bill still is the Southern Gentlman, and I think the reintroduction to society allows him to express that part of himself that has long been unacknowledged and unwanted by vampire society. Sookie, as I mentioned in some thread somewhere, is almost a throwback to the kind of manners/behavior that Bill would have known in his time.

Now, having said all that, I don't know quite how it would fit in with any ulterior motives or long term plans that Bill has. There certainly seem to be some conflicting possibilities in his makeup. Ultimately, it could be as simple as a guy who really wants to be successful with a girl, and is scared that the truth about himself will scare her away.

Then again, Bill could have schemes within schemes that a mere mortal would never even imagine. This is a fun show. :)

[Aunty Mib]

Given what we already know, of course Bill isn't being completely open and truthful with Sookie. Vampires have put forth these enormous set of lies and evasions that Bill wouldn't be able to drop the first night he meets a 'special' girl.

Silver isn't general knowledge, Hep D isn't general knowledge and I'm sure we kill people and make it look like accidents isn't general knowledge either.

TO ME, it's interesting how many secrets Bill has already divulged about the vampire world. But Sookie has been consistently just as complicit in keeping the secrets.

[pottie-mouth]

I suppose it could be that Bill can glamour her, but others can't. But that doesn't seem quite right.

Maybe having her drink his blood sealed the deal? I mean, once he did, she's pretty much been a deer in headlights, dreaming about him and fondling herself on his freaking doorstep. He did say that now that she drank his blood, he'd always be able to tell where she was. Maybe he can now manipulate her thoughts as well?

[Quintana]

TO ME, it's interesting how many secrets Bill has already divulged about the vampire world. But Sookie has been consistently just as complicit in keeping the secrets.

Aunty Mib, that's a great point. Sookie, who is so very proper and self assured about her philosophies in life (protecting a vampire from human predators, vampires are people too, don't use the j-word in front of her) seems WAY too okay with keeping the secrets of a person she hardly knows. Big important secrets. I suppose this could be linked back to Sookie's basic decency: you don't talk about another's business.

But your point makes me think of another aspect, which is Sookie's acceptance of Bill's unsavory past and present (killing the Rattrays, anyone?). Despite what her opinions may be of the recipients of Bill's actions, she has to be processing on some level that this guy has killed two people and almost snapped the hand off a third.

So all this secret keeping and condoning of naughty deeds--will Sookie come to grips with it for what it is, or does Bill get a pass because she needs him to? Or is her brain addled from lingering effects of v-juice?

[Kris_AB]

While I'd like to see her grapple with Bill killing too, I can't see her losing any sleep over the Rattrays. She witnessed them attempt to kill Bill, fought with them, and then they pretty much did kill her if not for the existence of Bill and his vamp blood. While she may've felt less right about it after the attempt on Bill's life, I think after the beating she took from them (probably the most physically traumatic thing to happen to her yet), all bets were off, their lives were forfeit in her mind, or something. I know that doesn't appear to line up with the sweet and probably easily forgiving Sookie we've been presented with so far, but then again, after what she went through...

Maybe Sookie believes in capital punishment and in this case wasn't adverse to vigilantism to carry it out. It'll be interesting to see where she draws the line in the future.

Edited by Kris_AB, Sep 26, 2008 @ 2:52 AM.

[tvjunkie23]

I think we are in agreement here: Bill has yet to earn my trust.

Yep. I love the guy but he is a vampire. Even though he saved Sookie's life.

Vampires have put forth these enormous set of lies and evasions that Bill wouldn't be able to drop the first night he meets a 'special' girl.

As much as I hate to admit it, you're right.

Silver isn't general knowledge, Hep D isn't general knowledge and I'm sure we kill people and make it look like accidents isn't general knowledge either.

TO ME, it's interesting how many secrets Bill has already divulged about the vampire world.

Interesting point. However, he divulged these three secrets (so far) because Sookie was present when these were revealed. So he may not have much of a choice. I'm sure he could lie, but either he didn't want to because he wanted Sookie to trust him, or he didn't see the point.

Edited by tvjunkie23, Sep 26, 2008 @ 4:24 AM.

[Quintana]

Here's something that's been pinging around in my head, and I keep on forgetting to ask: does anybody else think that maybe there's something going on with the death of Sookie's parents?

The way she gave a clipped "Flash flood" answer to Bill caught my ear. But I think it was her hostility to the coroner (Dr. Phlox!) that really rang my bell. I'm sure it's not pleasant to be reminded of your parent's death, but her vehement "You buried my parents" seemed a little disproportionate to the situation.

Maybe it's nothing, but I feel like there's more to the story of Sookie's parents' demise. Though it could be the Coroner Phlox was just a jerk to her on that day and she remembers it.

Or she is just anti-Denobulan.

[pottie-mouth]

I've been totally thinking there's a juicier backstory for the death of the Stackhouses also. Like maybe Sookie's Mom killed herself (and/or her father) and Sookie read her mind the whole time but was unable to do anything about it. Or vampires killed them both.

Regardless, maybe the coroner's thoughts weren't so positive when Sookie and Jason identified the bodies (or whatever). Like maybe he was thinking that they deserved to die or something, and Sookie heard. That would make me hold some residual grudginess.

There's also more to Tara's Mom than just alcoholism. She's like Carrie's Mom, minus the dirty pillows speak. Although she did call Tara a whore, so.

Edited by pottie-mouth, Sep 26, 2008 @ 4:10 PM.

[EvilAngelfish]

Maybe this is kinda out there but does anyone else think that Tara could be the killer?

When she was driving Jason home from the hospital after the flashback she had this expression that kind of reminded me of the movie Misery. She just happened to be around to rescue him twice, both his most recent ex-lovers are dead and even if she was with Sam on the night Dawn was killed, I thought she'd left before sunrise but it showed her arriving at home when the sun was out...maybe she made a stop at Dawn's?

I actually love Tara as a character and would hate to see her go to jail for being a murderess but it would be a nifty twist if it turned out to be her, right? She's probably not...but she could be.

[evilzucchini]

pottie-mouth: I've been totally thinking there's a juicier backstory for the death of the Stackhouses also. Like maybe Sookie's Mom killed herself (and/or her father) and Sookie read her mind the whole time but was unable to do anything about it. Or vampires killed them both.

I definitely agree that there's some story about Sookie's parents that we don't know yet, but I don't think that vampires killed them (or if they did, I don't think Sookie knows) ... She was way too eager to meet her first vampire. Of course, I haven't read the books, so I could be totally off my rocker.

[Quintana]

EvilAngelfish, that's an interesting idea. I want Tara to stick around too, and it seems unlikely that she's the one. But I would like to see it be someone we can figure out--not just somebody that gets thrown in there.

We're getting lots of hints that it might be Sam, though I'm pretty sure it's not. I had the weirdest thought that it might be Hoyt. I just hope we get real clues instead of something out of left field.

Sookie's parents' death--I've been thinking something is up with this, and I had another thought about it while typing some comments in the ep thread.

People have noted how snippy Sookie is with the police and their associates. What if they were involved in a cover up of her parents' death, or they just ruled it an accident when it was obvious something else happened? That could explain part of Sookie's almost instant antagonism towards them.

I don't think vamps play a part. I'm more inclined to believe they killed themselves in some weird way, maybe even just through not trying to save themselves (suicide by negligence?)

Or maybe Sookie did or said something that contributed to their deaths--not directly, but maybe she freaked them out and they sped away in the car. And drove into a flash flood? Okay, maybe not that, but you get the drift.

Finally, it seems like Sookie has picked up lots of stray thoughts about her family being trashy. Maybe the truth was that Sookie's parents weren't that great, and they caused their own deaths through some misbehavior.

Other speculation: when Super!Bill scoops Sookie up, up, and away in his arms, it is the hotness. Oh, wait, that's not speculation; that's stone cold FACT.

[pottie-mouth]

EvilAngelfish, that's an interesting idea. I want Tara to stick around too, and it seems unlikely that she's the one. But I would like to see it be someone we can figure out--not just somebody that gets thrown in there.

I had a weird thought - what if it's Tara's Mom? She's pretty much off her rocker, and both of the girls who have been killed so far were sleeping with Jason (from the flashback, she might not be so fond of the young male Stackhouse). Of course, she'd need to be able to stand up for a reasonable period of time to actually strangle someone, so who knows.

Definitely agree that Sam's playing the reddest herring ever. Although part of me would like to see him be the killer just so that he would have a reason for being so pathetic. Otherwise, he's pretty lame. Pretty, but lame.

[Quintana]

New Murder Theory: I have to credit the sharp eyed folks over in the episode discussion thread with this one.


It was mentioned that the new coroner's assistant (Phlox Jr.?) was also at Fangtasia, gothed out to the max. Someone else noted that he beat a hasty retreat as soon as he saw Sookie. Could he be the killer?

Pros:
--is into the vamp scene, as evidenced by Fangtasia appearance. Whether its in worship or scoping out the enemy, he's interested in some way.
--appearance at Fangtasia means he might be a regular, meaning he might have seen Maudette and Dawn there.
--one could argue his interest in morgue work is another outlet for macabre tendencies, or specifically related to getting to spend more time with his victims.

Cons:
--looks like a slight little thing, how did he overpower those women?
--how did he talk them into letting him into their homes? If he entered himself, how?

Thoughts?

[the fresh maker]

I like your theory, Quintana.

Cons:
--looks like a slight little thing, how did he overpower those women?
--how did he talk them into letting him into their homes? If he entered himself, how?

If he's a true fangbanger or an impostor, he's probably taken V-juice. I don't see Maudette and Dawn turning down a chance to have sex with a guy on the stuff.

I'll still go along with my theory, too. That this guy is really anti-vampire, and he's trying to make it look like vampires murdered Maudette and Dawn. Jason's timing is bad, and his involvement with Maudette and Dawn detracted from the coroner's true intentions--he wanted the focus to be on the fact that they had been with vampires.

[gothmuse]

I studied Alan Ball for an essay I wrote regarding his works and how he illuminates character types and draws on their unseen undertone. Ball has a fascination with complex characters, often times he explores the various archetypes that are often seen in any literary work. Also in the Essay book "Considering Alan Ball: Essays on Sexuality, Death and America in the Television and Film Writings", it announces how Ball seeks to exude characters at their breaking point from repression, characters that have hidden truths about them who want to escape their confinement. The storyline is very close to the book, however it is evident that Ball's signature touch is here in the storyline of this series.

Sookie in the T.V. show acts naïve rather than like a blonde. She is simple, but she comes across sharp and someone to stand her ground. It looks like she is supposed to be that way in the book, but I feel that she doesn't come across that way. I think Alan Ball took her character and she is the archetype of the child the innocent.

Bill fits all the profile under the archetype of the Byronic Hero. In the book he exhibits a sinister side which would be left to the archetype of the Shadow', but someone else on the T.V show has that archetype I will mention who here in a moment. Ball has portrayed Bill as the romantic dark, saddened type, who has bi-polar or different personalities that will become abrupt as shown in episode 4 where he hypnotizes the cop in order to protect himself and Sookie. He is a loner and we know he has the troubled past from the war. Alan as I mentioned earlier wishes to explore characters at their crossroads, at a point where they deal with repressed issues that confine them. It is evident that Bill's confinement is being a vampire. He says he knows he isn't human and says it with shame. He is ashamed to be a vampire, and I believe he wishes to be a human, being with Sookie makes him feel normal because she isn't afraid of him. He doesn't want to be in the shadows, he's been mainstream away from the other vamps.

The second episode he realizes that he can't, although he doesn't wish to seduce her, but she isn't afraid of him. Sookie the archetype of the child wishes to be in an adult relationship, to be in a relationship with someone whom she can't listen to their thoughts. However, I feel that she has a lack of confidence and she aspires to hail confidence, being with Bill she achieves this strength of autonomy that she desires. Someone also mentioned in the thread that in television shows there isn't any ongoing romance, I beg to differ and that there are numerous shows in which there was and also an off again on again romance, Ball will know how to master a lengthy romance between these two. In ways I almost wonder whether they will become the archetype of the lovers (divine couple) In a way I want to say so, because Romeo and Juliet were the divine couple and in many ways these two are like Romeo and Juliet with Sookie's people feeling wary of her with the vampire, and Bill's friends almost hurting Sookie. Plus she has special powers and obviously so does he.

I believe Sam is the killer and he has a possible vendetta on the Stackhouse family, he is going to try and frame Jason, and he has a thing against Bill the vampire. The vendetta on the Stackhouse family is pure speculation.

The fun archetype is that of Jason, he is the trickster the fool archetype. It is an obvious one. The grandmother is the archetype of the "Wise Woman." Easy on that one.

There is some evidence that there is an archetype of the Black Magician that has been surfacing to become part of many stories and I believe that Lafayette might fit this, I have more to see in coming shows. That archetype is like John Coffey in the Green Mile, Echo in the show Lost, and Bagger Vance in the Legend of Bagger Vance. He is the cool, smart black man who has lots of advice and knows things people come to him for advice. So far Jason comes to Lafayette for "V" juice.

[Snipped for boards-on-boards, lecturing, tone and spoilers throughout, but even though it's pretty much off-topic it's still kind of interesting so I'm going to keep it. Further discussion of Ball can go in a Ball thread; archetype discussions are fine here for now.]

Edited by TWoP Bayliss, Oct 1, 2008 @ 2:08 PM.