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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 5:45 AM

Anybody see SAMCRO on South Park this week?

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 7:50 AM

headhurt I find your theory fascinating and realistic. I hadn't look at it this way but it could be.

Another theory I've got is that Gemma respect and fear Fiona because she is the equivalent of Jimmy-O old lady (since now I've understood they're partners).

So if Jimmy-O is this crazy Irish mo-fo who's got an hold on Chibs and scare everyone in town including the Sons and she not only is with him but is strong and though enough to be respected by him () she must be a though mo-fo on her own maybe even thougher than Gemma.

Fi doesn't seem a submissive woman [I mean that in the sense 'a woman who's scared of the man she's with and acts only as he say her to'] nor she seems to be nothing but assured and powerful from what little we've seen to her.

That's my own opinion (because I root for more strong women on the show).

I was reading Kurt Sutter blog today, the older post and I've found a post about him going to a poker run held by real MCers including one who's a legend and that Kurt respects much and I've found a bit of feedback he has liked that has made me laugh a lot.

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My favorite piece of feedback came from a prospect who said that there'd be no fucking way Half-Sack would be drinking and making out with a girl at a run. He'd be washing the fucking bikes. The comment came from a place of experience.


Hee! I will like for Half-Sack to be made-in and maybe later (middle of third season maybe?) for someone to be taken in as a prospect so that we get to see how they treat a total newbie.

Edited because: Sometimes I think I've explained myself and then I read what I've posted and I want to smack my own head

Edited by Olorisstra, Nov 10, 2009 @ 7:56 AM.


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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 8:54 AM

Am I the only one whose confused by Chibbs' head injury? Ever since the explosion and every week after that on the "Prevously on Sons of Anarchy...." opening, they've been showing him falling to the ground after escaping from the van and his head never hits the ground.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 9:47 AM

Plenty of time to change things around. I would love it though if that's what the third season starts to do- solidify who fits what Hamlet archetype because I'm getting real tired of guessing and being wrong at this point.

See, I think when it comes to the whole Hamlet thing, I think the joke's on taking that too seriously. I still think that they took a nugget of premise from the play as the premise for this show. And then they thought it would be cool to say, it's based on Hamlet! As if there is anything substantial to the subtext of this show, which is basically just a butch soap opera. I mean, the whole Jax-Clay-Gemma-murdered father premise is there, maybe a bit of Jax's attitude, and the pseudo-haunting of Jax by his father's writings. I'd even grant Opie is close to Ophelia (not only in attitude, but it's like they telegraphed by making the names sound smiliar) I think that's all they originally intended. But really there is enough variation among the characters and types of this show... and enough generality to the basic characters in the play so that mixing and matching can keep one busy. I don't think the show is that well thought out as to reflect the play that directly - or even indirectly. I seriously doubt that they're using Hamlet as a model for the show's progression. So pegging Ophelia, or Polonius, or the gravediggers to the people on the show... well...

I was playing the game Justice League Heroes for PS2 on the weekend. I had the game for awhile but I hadn't played it for a very long time. One thing I didn't realize until this weekend, is that the voice of Batman in the cutscenes is Ron Pearlman. It was actually kind of weird to hear Clay Morrow's voice come out of Batman's mouth.

I keep expecting Clay to say "Red means STOP!"

Anybody see SAMCRO on South Park this week?

Those fags weren't on South Park.

Edited by Wacoshade, Nov 10, 2009 @ 10:02 AM.


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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 10:51 AM

Am I the only one whose confused by Chibbs' head injury? Ever since the explosion and every week after that on the "Prevously on Sons of Anarchy...." opening, they've been showing him falling to the ground after escaping from the van and his head never hits the ground.


LOL! Not at all! My husband yells every time--HIS HEAD NEVER HIT THE GROUND! I've tried to fanwank that there's a bounce we don't see after the camera cuts away, but...yeah, I'm having a hard time believing it.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 12:01 PM

Am I the only one whose confused by Chibbs' head injury? Ever since the explosion and every week after that on the "Prevously on Sons of Anarchy...." opening, they've been showing him falling to the ground after escaping from the van and his head never hits the ground.

LOL! Not at all! My husband yells every time--HIS HEAD NEVER HIT THE GROUND! I've tried to fanwank that there's a bounce we don't see after the camera cuts away, but...yeah, I'm having a hard time believing it.



Director: Let's review the scene

Actor: Good idea

Director: You fling open the car door and run, we'll be filming you as you move away from the car...

Actor: Yes

Director: Then, the explosion knocks you to the ground and we switch to an overhead shot

Actor: Going to zoom in for a reaction as I fall?

Director: Yes, we want to see the look of agony as your head cracks into the asphalt.

Actor: You mean APPEARS to crack into the asphalt

Director: No, we're going for realism here. Your head needs to crack down like a coconut on the blacktop.

Actor: Fookin 'ell!

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 12:11 PM

Actor: Fookin 'ell!

Actor: Thas my heed we're talkin aboot you bampot walloper!

Edited by Wacoshade, Nov 10, 2009 @ 12:13 PM.


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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 1:13 PM

Actor: Fookin 'ell!
Actor: Thas my heed we're talkin aboot you bampot walloper!


Is the actor Canadian as well as Scottish??

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 2:12 PM

What if Clay and the Irish somehow conspired to have John Teller killed? It makes sense. The club may have started running guns for the Irish, and then John became reticent to continue, knowing what would happen if the Sons continued down that road (as he wrote about in his manuscript). With Teller out of the way, the Clay would assume the leadership role, and the Sons and Irish partnership could continue without interupption. Maybe Gemma suspects this, which is why Fiona scares her. She may not know that Clay had a part in it. Who knows if her and Clay were having an affair while John Teller was alive, or Clay just happened to pick up the pieces after he died. I don't sense that Gemma had a role in John Teller's death. After all, the man was the father of her two sons. But I don't see Gemma sticking with Clay knowing he may have had her husband killed.


Interesting theory, save for the Gemma not knowing Clay murdered her husband thing. The show has definately made a point, while not outright saying so, to give a decent enough impression that Gemma was involved in John's death.

If anything, they might go the route that Gemma didn't know about Clay's role in John's death until after the fact, at which point she made the conscious decision to commit fully to Clay, both to preserve her standing as "Old Lady" and to ensure her son Jax's ascension to the throne.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 2:28 PM

I think after the explosion episode we were fanwanking that he had been hit in the back of the head with shrapnel. I did bring up the amount of blood at the time.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 2:56 PM

For those who record the show - apparently tonight's episode is 90 minutes long (55 minutes without commercials).

http://www.nj.com/en...ds_another.html

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 5:21 PM

It's a little vexing to see that, even though there is an additional 30 minutes for viewing, the episode is only ~ 10 min. longer than usual. Ridiculous.

I don't understand the confusion over the Chibbs head trauma thing. His head had to have hit the ground at some point. He may not have hit it head first, but if his head was on the ground, it made contact with it. As for the amount of blood, the scalp is a highly vascular structure. Even small tears can bleed a lot. If any of you watch UFC, you'll notice that even though a cut above the eyes does not leave the fighter that injured, a lot of blood comes out, relative to what the same cut might do with your hand or elbow. I've sewn up a scalp laceration once; the guy was piss drunk, and it was a little surreal having a regular conversation with someone while blood is pouring off the top of their head and you're sewing it back on.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:33 PM

It seemed like this was a 90 minute episode with an extra 30 minutes of commercials.

Gemma's confession made me tear up. So nomad is actually sub-branch of SAMCRO?

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:35 PM

Oh my God.

That was acting perfection right there. Please just give Katey Sagal and Ron Perlman Emmys right now. That was just beautiful. I didn't love the intercutting of other scenes but it definitely helped build up the tension waiting for Clay and Jax's reaction and it did not disappoint. Jax and Clay's little moment afterwards was wonderful and then of course Clay and Gemma's.

I love this show.

Edited by smallpea8, Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:39 PM.


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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:36 PM

I wouldn't really call Nomads so much a sub-charter, to me it's always been guys who can associate from charter to charter, they don't belong to any charter because they're always on the move, hence the name 'Nomad'.

I forgot how awkward sex scenes without music can be, especially with Lyla and Opie. Did anyone else think that one of the kids might walk in on them?

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:36 PM

Tonight's episode was tense. Chibs/Jimmy O, Chibs/Stahl, and Jax/everyone had me on the edge of my seat. Jimmy O is a despicable man, I didn't know he held Chibs' family hostage. I hope his daughter is going to be ok.

The ending tonight was well done, Gemma finally telling her guys made me tear up. Also when they showed Tig apologizing to that doll and Piney looking at his gun.

Tara needs to come clean soon about her job situation though.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:37 PM

Even though it was clear where they were going there's a pretty big part of me that feels like it was cheap to use Gemma's rape that way. Sagal was top notch as always, though. God knows what Siff was going for in that scene, it felt so bland. I always wonder why they constantly cut to an actor when they've got nothing going on.

Half-Sack in the mud was adorable. I hope he doesn't die in the next few seasons.

I kind of don't care about Jax. Part of it is I don't think he's that interesting a character, and part of it is Hunnam. The walk, the way he pushes his mouth up when he's angry, the accent issue.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:38 PM

Just finished watching this week's show. Holy guacamole.

Jimmy and Chibs. Jimmy you humiliated Chibs just a bit too much there buddy. Talking about his daughter like that, you drove him over the line.

Jax going rogue. A lot of heartache and soul searching. Clay saying yes so quietly, very powerful. Jax came back pretty much as I expected.

Gemma tells all. Wow wow wow. So much expressed around that table with surprisingly subtlety. Clay's eyes, rage and pain.

I think I need to watch this episode again.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:40 PM

I forgot how awkward sex scenes without music can be, especially with Lyla and Opie. Did anyone else think that one of the kids might walk in on them?

She said she was going to pick them up, I think. I like that she was willing to back it down.

Lyla is so tiny next to Opie.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:46 PM

So many thoughts about this episode. I'll come back with them once I got them all pinned down.

Katey did wonders with that final scene, very well done.

I forgot how awkward sex scenes without music can be, especially with Lyla and Opie. Did anyone else think that one of the kids might walk in on them?


I was actually relieved when it faded to black.

Edited by sundaeambrosia, Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:50 PM.


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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:46 PM

After a week of buildup to something that ended up never happening, I hope next week is a bloodbath. Jimmy O needs to face samcro justice, not Stahl's. He wants a meeting with clay. I vote they give it to him, and bring the blow torch.

Wow. I'm not sure I've ever had such a bloodlust before. This show really plucks my emotional strings. Good job Sutter.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:49 PM

OMG I thought I was the only one that thought the sex scene was akward.

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Posted Nov 10, 2009 @ 11:54 PM

No I enjoyed the fact that they made sex more like real life more so than what we're used to.

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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 12:13 AM

Gemma and Jax - beautiful

Painful watching Jax removes the vp patch

Felt horrible for Porn Star having Opie’s mane in her face, no one deserves that

Chibs is caught in a tough place, his real family is already torn apart and this one is falling apart
Jimmy O makes my skin crawl – seeing him go down will be as satisfying as Zobelle and company

Gemma selling John Teller’s death as a possible suicide didn’t work for me, though I loved hearing her speak about him

Piney is on the ledge, anyone see an attempted murder suicide (him and Clay)

It will interesting to see how Tara’s hearing goes

Loved that Clay let Tig have a taste

Chuck and Darby are alive somewhere…

CORM!!!!!!!!!!!! If the healing mud doesn’t pan out Sack needs to see a Dr. ASAP

Unser… Gemma’s kisses are not cheap

Good to see Juice – he was amazing tonight "Blood family, hometown, all that s--t moves back a row. Once you're patched, members are your family. This charter is your home."
sucks that he hasn’t been able to maintain the cut

The club fully aligned is going to be something to see

*had to add the Juice line*

Edited by thejerseychick, Nov 11, 2009 @ 12:32 AM.


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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 12:32 AM

I was so excited when Lyla took of Opie's stupid hat. Finally! Then I saw the greasy unkempt mess underneath and shouted, "No, put the hat back on!" I don't think Opie has washed his hair since Donna's death.

If the True IRA guy isn't aroused by Fiona anymore, there is something wrong with his equipment. Chibbs or I will gladly take her!

Katey Sagal made me cry yet again. I wanted to hug her through my TV screen and give her an Emmy.

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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 12:38 AM

I thought Jax was great in that last scene with Gemma. His reaction felt so authentic.

And, as I teared up, I also thought, "now unite and bury these assholes once and for all!"

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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 1:01 AM

Cut question - dose anyone know why Jax didn't remove the bottom rocker "California"? I believe I've seen "Nomad" bottom rockers on real bikers

The acting tonight by the entire cast was phenomenal from Juice's brief interlude, to slimy but effective Jimmy O, Clay and of course the gold star goes to Gemma, even baby Abel smiled on cue for daddy
I'm used to great acting being overlooked by the Emmys (cough, The Wire, cough) but Sagal this season has left me breathless

The song choice for the reveal was also perfect (Alan Sepinwall noted that it was Patty Griffin — Mary)

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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 1:11 AM

Such a fantastic episode. I'll have to watch it a few more times to fully get the impact.

The final scene, once again around another table... wow. I was so impressed by all the actors (which is difficult already because I already think they are fantastic) --just expressed the emotions so perfectly. They outdid themselves tonight. Perlman in particular just broke my heart. After weeks of waiting, I found the scene very satisfying.

Also, while we've known for awhile what happened to Gemma, hearing her recount it was just horrible.

Gemma is so kick-ass-- leave it to her to keep the information until a time when it would bring the club together, not rip it apart. Zobelle truly truly underestimated her.

Final thought-- I was glad that Jax didn't seem angry at Tara for keeping Gemma's rape from him. There had been some speculation on the board as to how he would react to that.

(On an incredibly shallow note, Jax/Hunnam was looking particularly hot tonight. Not sure why. I think it was the bruise under his eye made him look less pretty maybe and it totally worked for me.)

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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 1:12 AM

I came in late - damn homework - so can someone tell me why Tig was tearfully apologizing to a doll? And why was Half-Sack doing... whatever it was he was doing, in the mud? Shrooms gone wrong?

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Posted Nov 11, 2009 @ 1:18 AM

I came in late - damn homework - so can someone tell me why Tig was tearfully apologizing to a doll? And why was Half-Sack doing... whatever it was he was doing, in the mud? Shrooms gone wrong?


Tig started off on a great ride, but towards the end it took a turn to the crying scene
Sack is on a great trip but his implant is swollen, probably infected so he is dunking it in the healing mud (they are out an indian reservation)- hope it helps