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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 1:06 PM

did Piney give Jax a brand new fresh copy of John Teller's memoirs? And didn't Gemma destroy Jax's copy towards the end of S1?


Yes on both counts. Jax himself tried to burn the copy that he found while disposing of the ATF agent's body in S1 (the guy who was stalking Tara), only to change his mind at the last minute and pull the slightly charred manuscript out of the flames. In the season finale, Gemma finds the burned manuscript in Jax's room and shows it to Clay, who tells her to finish burning it completely. At the end of the episode, Piney finds another copy of the manuscript that John Teller specifically left for him and then hands it over to Jax at Donna's funeral.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 2:29 PM

When Jax threw the manuscript into the fire, I would think it might have left traces of evidence that could lead right back to the club. Depends on how hot and long the fire burned. I wonder why they don't use the crematory more often, the operator seemed to be club friendly.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 2:35 PM

When Jax threw the manuscript into the fire, I would think it might have left traces of evidence that could lead right back to the club. Depends on how hot and long the fire burned. I wonder why they don't use the crematory more often, the operator seemed to be club friendly.


The crematory would have been the best choice, but of course they didn't do it because the body will eventually come back to haunt both Tara and Jax. If it was burned in the crematory there would be no more story on that front.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 2:42 PM

The crematory would have been the best choice, but of course they didn't do it because the body will eventually come back to haunt both Tara and Jax. If it was burned in the crematory there would be no more story on that front.


Plus if they used that place then there could be more chance of the dead agent getting back to Clay, and I don't think Jax wanted that even before he found out about Donna.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 4:07 PM

Possible interesting sidenote. According to imdb, the blond who set up Gemma is Ethan's daughter Polly.

Edited by Tricksterson, Sep 15, 2009 @ 4:07 PM.


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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 4:54 PM

The crematory would have been the best choice, but of course they didn't do it because the body will eventually come back to haunt both Tara and Jax. If it was burned in the crematory there would be no more story on that front.


Not to mention I don't think Jax could talk the girl Cremetory Guy's got a crush on into another round, since Tara doesn't seem to be a share and share alike kinda gal, club business or no.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 5:31 PM

Live chat with Henry Rollins from earlier today. No spoilers. Probably the most interesting part of the interview for me:

[Comment From Chris]
Henry, how difficult was it to shoot the last scene of ep. 1? Did you talk/joke with Katie between takes to offset the harshness of scene?
[Comment From Henry Rollins]
It was uncomfortable. I didn't joke around as I didn't want to waste a nanosecond of time to keep us from wrapping out of that scene. She's a pro, everyone on set is as well so it went quickly as possible. Katie is GREAT.


But he gives some interesting insight into his own character on the show and life in the fictional town of Charming. Good read.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:09 PM

"I've been hit before," says Gemma. Hmmm. Is this connected to what happened to John Teller?

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:21 PM

I get the distinct impression that Gemma is openly grooming Tara to assume the matriarch mantle.

Clay certainly looked shocked to see what sort of monster they created in Opie, to stand brazenly shooting Mayans without any regard for his own life. I can also see Tig trying to plant some false rumors to create a rift between Jax and Opie and make himself look innocent.

And Tom Arnold as smarmy porn guy...LOVE IT.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:35 PM

The porn storyline reeks of exploitation on the part of the producers. I understand FX shows push the limits regarding content but it seems pretty obvious they're dragging it out for the T&A factor.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:50 PM

The porn storyline reeks of exploitation on the part of the producers. I understand FX shows push the limits regarding content but it seems pretty obvious they're dragging it out for the T&A factor.

Maybe... I didn't find it too gratuitous because they brought up Luanne and her porn business a few times last season. Also they didn't show too much of... the business, hehe.

I will say that I'm biased because I love the character of Luanne and thought it was HILARIOUS that she thought Jax was there to silence her at the end of the episode!

Having said that, I was a little disappointed by what I perceive to be kind of a soap opera move by them dragging out the Gemma rape reveal. I can't blame the writers/producers for the previews, but I hate being jerked around. The previews for this week CLEARLY suggested that Clay would find out Gemma was raped. I spent the entire episode waiting and I was annoyed by the end when it didn't happen.

Clay certainly looked shocked to see what sort of monster they created in Opie, to stand brazenly shooting Mayans without any regard for his own life.

Yeah. Poor Opie. I'm almost afraid that he'll turn into Tigg. He's completely shut down.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:54 PM

"Cumdog Millionaire"? Seriously? That's so not funny. Which I presume is the point. But I tire of the fact that everything is an !extreme! point on this show. It's a good idea to take over the business, nevertheless. Cultivating a legitimate source of income until the heat is off makes complete sense.

That moment on the roof with Jax and Gemma spoke volumes. Their bond predates any involvement of Clay. And they are both at odds with Clay, unknowingly to each other. Gemma doesn't know that Jax has started a war of which Clay does not approve. Jax doesn't know that Gemma is lying to Clay about her ordeal. Both are actually keeping the higher good of SoA in the forefront, but Clay either doesn't know or doesn't fully appreciate that fact. And so they cling to each other on the rooftop, with Clay not fully understanding that each is merely trying to protect SAMCRO in the only way they know how.

The morning/middle of the night scene after the party was hilarious. Tig waking up with a hot crotch in his face (and easily brushing it aside) was awesome. Almost as awesome as Bobby's well-timed gastrointestinal issues. Heh.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:55 PM

The porn storyline reeks of exploitation on the part of the producers. I understand FX shows push the limits regarding content but it seems pretty obvious they're dragging it out for the T&A factor.


Well, I agree that the porn storyline is pretty clunky, and I totally think it got tacked on because they wanted a reason to show a bunch of half-naked women.

However... it's fairly realistic. Not the guys specifically being involved in porn, but a 1% MC running some sort of sex trade. Usually it would be a strip club/prostitute combo. If anything, I think the SAMCRO's newfound porn business is pretty tame in comparison to real life.

But, I did roll my eyes when Jax suggested partnering with Louanne (sp?) I mean, come on. If they wanted to have more sex in the show, they should've just had the balls to have the club running a strip joint or something in the first place.

Edited by emoiguess, Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:57 PM.


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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:58 PM

I wonder why they didn't cast Ginger Lynn or Seka or somebody for Luann? It's a minor role anyway.

Edited by jackiecarr, Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:59 PM.


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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 10:59 PM

And Tom Arnold as smarmy porn guy...LOVE IT.


As soon as I saw him I thought wow, perfect casting.

For a couple minutes I was also thinking the porn plotline wasn't needed but (assuming it's done well) I think there are some real possibilities here. It's a way for Jax to work the club towards legal income in a way that the guys like and will be behind. It (unfortunately) adds the issue of other women around Jax, a story line that isn't currently needed. On the flip side - it's more women and stuff the team needs to protect.

I appreciate Gemma's backbone, but don't you think it would be helpful to warn Tara to be careful??

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 11:30 PM

Bobby needs a shower.

Trig's I love you was hilarious.

Clay certainly looked shocked to see what sort of monster they created in Opie, to stand brazenly shooting Mayans without any regard for his own life.


*nods* I actually yelled at the tv "Opie nooo!" Totally lame but I couldn't help it.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 11:43 PM

"I've been hit before," says Gemma. Hmmm. Is this connected to what happened to John Teller?

I wonder. Or did she have something bad in her childhood? (She said she'd "been through hell" and came out OK to Jax, and I don't know if Jax would idolize his dad so much if he'd beat his mom.)

It's a way for Jax to work the club towards legal income in a way that the guys like and will be behind.

Hunnam said somewhere in an interview that they wanted his character to bring something to the club table business-wise this season. They already have a connection to Luann, and as emoiguess pointed out, it's not a stretch for a club to be involved in something like that. And besides, if adding some T&A minutes was all they wanted, they could have just had girls hanging out at the club more often.

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Posted Sep 15, 2009 @ 11:46 PM

Ok, I'll admit, I was a little worried about the melodrama tonight.

Between the cheesy opening with the camera panning around all the family pictures set to "Ruby Tuesday" and the shot of Luanne warning her porn girls that Georgie would turn them out.

Then Tom Arnold appeared as Georgie, and Bobby puked all over him.

All is right with my world.

Edited by GloryGe, Sep 15, 2009 @ 11:47 PM.


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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 1:22 AM

Clay certainly looked shocked to see what sort of monster they created in Opie, to stand brazenly shooting Mayans without any regard for his own life.


Opie looked so thin and dead--a suicidal scarecrow. The conversation between him and Tig was chilling. "I've been having dreams that I was back [in prison]. Really violent shit. And I wake up and I'm relieved. And it takes me a minute to realize I'm alone in bed." Tig's eyes, trying to hold back the guilt.

It's like Clay and Tig can't seem to comprehend that anyone else can feel more than they do about a given scenario. Clay seems to think that nobody in the entire world can feel more than he does for Gemma, and Tig just can't feel that much for anyone anymore (perhaps for the dead girlfreind in his past, but not since then.) Add in the fact that they were, of course, the ones who actually killed Donna and thus expodentially more eager to put this whole thing behind them, and Opie's abyss is a shock to them. Only Jax seems to be grasping the darkness that's enveloping Opie.

Other notes on the episode:

They did a great job with Gemma's swollen face. Not over dramatic, but her entire face was off, looked bruised and sore.

Tom Arnold as the Bastard Pretender to the Porn Throne. Hee hee hee! And Luanne's terror/indignation/resigned "life was so much simpler when I was sucking dick." Priceless!

Jax is really feeling his oats, and making life much more difficult for Clay in the process. His stunt with the Mayan, though necessary, inadvertantly threw fuel on the gang war the supremicists are trying to fan up. His roar "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO??" at Luanne and her instant backing down reminded everyone that Jax is a) SAMCRO royalty and b) not someone to fuck with. Not at all.

Henry Rollins' guilt (sorry, I just can't remember his character's name) and distaste over the rape was well played. He clearly didn't want to do it and is furious that the ploy was unsuccessful. I think his resentment at being the "respectable businessman's" pet mad dog may go in some interesting directions. He's kind of a Bizarro World Jax, a grown man being treated alternately as a kid and a weapon by someone he's losing respect for.

And Bobby. How can someone play semiconcious so well for so long? And finishing up with a bullet in the shoulder--Welcome home, Bobby Elvis.

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 1:24 AM

The porn thing, I hope that it doesn't play a major role this season. I actually thought it took away from an otherwise really good episode.

Though Gemma is intent on keeping what happened to her to herself, she should disclose a little bit of that info to Tara and the Nanny because if they were going to target anyone else it would be either Tara because of her connection to Jax or the Nanny because of her race and she cares for Abel who can also be looked at as a potential victim of LOAN. They at least need to know what/who to look out for/steer clear of.

So Jax is messing up while trying to one up Clay. I foresee more of that happening. Because as much good as Jax's intentions are, Clay has been at this a lot longer than he has. He knows the way things work.

Opie. What to say? He is on a mission to kill as many Mayans as he can, but doesn't seem to realize (or maybe he doesn't care) that he could be killed in the process. I guess Piney is watching his kids while Opie plays Captain Death Wish. When Opie finds out what really happened to Donna, he's gonna go ballistic.

Next weeks episode looks interesting, but I already know I'll be cringing at porn girls portrayal. She was on another show I used to watch and her acting was painful then. Maybe she's improved.

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 1:33 AM

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I wonder why they didn't cast Ginger Lynn or Seka or somebody for Luann? It's a minor role anyway.


Who is the actress playing Luanne? My husband thought she might be an adult film performer (after hastily reassuring me he has never, in his entire life, watched one of them :) )

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 3:03 AM

The porn storyline reeks of exploitation on the part of the producers. I understand FX shows push the limits regarding content but it seems pretty obvious they're dragging it out for the T&A factor.

They don't need the porn angle for the T&A factor. The women playing the porn actresses - in all of their scenes - were wearing more clothes than the strippers/prostitutes passed out in the club at the beginning of the episode. In fact, the panning over the orgy aftermath combined with what we saw of the orgy last week featured far more nudity and simulated sex than any of the porn-related scenes.

Hell, we saw more bare ass from the woman lying on top of Tig than any of the three women playing porn actresses (the two who worked for Luanne, plus the one new one at Georgie's studio).

If they're dragging it out for anything, it's to play interesting angles off of SAMCRO's new business venture - including the high comedy that is this bunch of guys anywhere remotely involved with the production of porn.

Also, the rank stupidity of attacking during a movie shoot but not making sure you destroy the footage. That quick shot of one of the guys' cuts while beating down Georgie's security might come back to bite them in the ass.

Who is the actress playing Luanne?

According to IMDb, her name is Dendrie Taylor. And as much as it'd be funny to see an actual ex-pornstar in there (and Dendrie does somewhat resemble Ginger Lynn), I'm happy that Kurt Sutter et al. are employing solid character actors to do good work (because I'm willing to bet plenty that ex-pornstars probably aren't very good actors).

Edited by ZeroForce, Sep 16, 2009 @ 3:15 AM.


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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 4:50 AM

Jax is really feeling his oats, and making life much more difficult for Clay in the process. His stunt with the Mayan, though necessary, inadvertantly threw fuel on the gang war the supremicists are trying to fan up. His roar "WHO DO YOU THINK YOU'RE TALKING TO??" at Luanne and her instant backing down reminded everyone that Jax is a) SAMCRO royalty and b) not someone to fuck with. Not at all.

I was a little thrown by both of those things. In the first case, I have to assume that Clay's issue with Jax's stunt is that he didn't take the body and dump it in a hole somewhere far away where it would (hopefully) never be found, or at least just leave it full of bullet holes without the Niner signifiers. If the Mayans had found the body with an SoA tag, I'm not sure how that would have made it less likely that someone from SAMCRO would get shot by Mayans... so Jax was correct in telling Clay that getting rid of the SoA tag was the right thing to do, but the stupid part was framing the Niners, yes? (I do pretty well with the emotional stuff, but a lot of the business and political aspects take me a while to grasp.)

As for Jax screaming at Luanne, I thought it was interesting because it reminded me of hot-headed Season 1 Jax, but at the same time, he doesn't generally scream at women. When Luanne showed up at the warehouse and was terrified of Jax, I was actually a little baffled because I've never seen anything to indicate that women would or should be afraid to be alone in the dark with Jax. I'm a pretty jumpy woman myself, so I could sort of relate on an instinctive level, but it still seemed weird for Luanne to be afraid of him. Of course, I'd conveniently forgotten that he'd screamed at her at the top of his lungs and scared the shit out of her before, until I was reminded of it here.

So while her being afraid of him makes a little more sense now, his angry and threatening behavior toward her at the hospital is either out of character, or it's a warning sign that Jax is a bit too high strung at present, because women generally are not subjected to that kind of violent posturing from him. Granted women also don't try to tell him how to do his job very often, but it's not like his outburst was some necessary part of his brilliant plan to beat the shit out of people with baseball bats. He could've done that without yelling at the understandably-already-freaked-out Luanne.

The women playing the porn actresses - in all of their scenes - were wearing more clothes than the strippers/prostitutes passed out in the club at the beginning of the episode. In fact, the panning over the orgy aftermath combined with what we saw of the orgy last week featured far more nudity and simulated sex than any of the porn-related scenes.

I agree, the porn plot didn't bother me in this episode (which is amazing, because I hate that industry with a fiery passion). If they start overusing it and get caught up in how much peekaboo and simulated sex they can get away with, I'll probably be annoyed, but I think there's enough going on with other plot lines to keep them from getting carried away.

Edited by Jubi, Sep 16, 2009 @ 4:51 AM.


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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 5:12 AM

Ok I have to put this out there first...did anyone else think that with the acquisition of the new porn business that at some point this season we're going to get a porno reenactment of Donna's (or Johns) death? Just saying.

Katey Sagal continues to be amazing. God/Religion does seem to be following Gemma.

I love Tig, more than I probably should.

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 6:45 AM

Luann is a H!ITG for me, but looking through her IMDB nothing really stands out as what I'd remember her from. She does seem well cast as an aging California porn actress.

I didn't have a problem with the porn plotline, but I'm not intrinsically offended by the idea of sex workers. And probably more important than my personal opinion on the topic, it had the element of realism--this seems like exactly the type of business a quasi-criminal organization would have on the side as a 'legit' business. And while I don't know the exact geography of the California porn industry (I know they're supposed to be pretty far from San Fernando Valley at least), a lot of non-CA residents like me associate it with that state in a general way. Particularly since Luann is apparently into more than just home-based webcam action.

I suppose the behind-the-scenes porn stuff (if it happens) will bug me less than the extreme violence and grossness, but either way this is the kind of show I have to watch with one finger on the 30-second-skip button.

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 7:17 AM

What a waste of Tom Arnold.

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 8:23 AM

Did anyone catch that hilarious line from Jax: "You think I brought you here to Adrianna you?"

Ha!

"You know? Adrianna. They shot her in the head. She kinda looks like my ex-wife."

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 9:26 AM

I was a little thrown by both of those things. In the first case, I have to assume that Clay's issue with Jax's stunt is that he didn't take the body and dump it in a hole somewhere far away where it would (hopefully) never be found, or at least just leave it full of bullet holes without the Niner signifiers. If the Mayans had found the body with an SoA tag, I'm not sure how that would have made it less likely that someone from SAMCRO would get shot by Mayans... so Jax was correct in telling Clay that getting rid of the SoA tag was the right thing to do, but the stupid part was framing the Niners, yes? (I do pretty well with the emotional stuff, but a lot of the business and political aspects take me a while to grasp.)


IMO, Jax didn't make a bad decision. Clay was getting territorial about Jax improvising a lie that's so complicated, it will inevitably blow up on the Sons. That's been Clay's job til now. :)

As for Jax screaming at Luanne, I thought it was interesting because it reminded me of hot-headed Season 1 Jax, but at the same time, he doesn't generally scream at women. When Luanne showed up at the warehouse and was terrified of Jax, I was actually a little baffled because I've never seen anything to indicate that women would or should be afraid to be alone in the dark with Jax. I'm a pretty jumpy woman myself, so I could sort of relate on an instinctive level, but it still seemed weird for Luanne to be afraid of him. Of course, I'd conveniently forgotten that he'd screamed at her at the top of his lungs and scared the shit out of her before, until I was reminded of it here.

So while her being afraid of him makes a little more sense now, his angry and threatening behavior toward her at the hospital is either out of character, or it's a warning sign that Jax is a bit too high strung at present, because women generally are not subjected to that kind of violent posturing from him. Granted women also don't try to tell him how to do his job very often, but it's not like his outburst was some necessary part of his brilliant plan to beat the shit out of people with baseball bats. He could've done that without yelling at the understandably-already-freaked-out Luanne.


I assume Jax asked her to meet him without explaining the purpose of the meeting. He intuitively wanted to get one-up on the negotiation by actually making the proposal in the warehouse, which is the most important part of his offer; he isn't in a position to give her cash. He didn't consider that she'd think of him as a criminal who will kill for the club.

Edited by thatguy01, Sep 16, 2009 @ 10:49 AM.


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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 9:35 AM

It seems our little Prince Hamlet is starting to make things worse with his attempts to take control. The 9er/Mayan shootout, with SAMCRO in the middle after telling Alvarez they didn't have guns...potentially showing up on camera at Georgie's studio...this way leads to foul smelling danish, I believe.

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Posted Sep 16, 2009 @ 11:14 AM

Katey Sagal continues to be amazing. God/Religion does seem to be following Gemma.


To quote Anne Lamott, God seems to have given up on hinting and decided to just plain noodge.

I did wonder where her housekeeper/all hours babysitter/apparent best friend we've never seen before came from. I liked her character--she seemed very no nonsense and on the ball ("I'm not gonna ask today, 'cause I'm not a stupid sister--but I will have questions") and of course these circumstances were extreme, but her sudden appearance and the religious tone of the conversation ("Look how you're holding him--you're thanking God") kind of hint at a Magical Negro character. I hope she's not there to lead Gemma to the light and that's the only reason for her existence.

Interesting that while Gemma told Tara that full disclosure was the only way to go, she's now demanding that Tara keep an enormous secret from Clay and Jax. Of course she has her reasons, but so does everybody else in this fiery handbasket.