The Tribe Has Amnesia: 1001 Dumb Survivor Questions
Posted Dec 19, 2009 @ 5:32 PM
Posted Dec 19, 2009 @ 5:56 PM
The Laura/Brett situation seems quite different (and has been discussed on Laura's thread extensively) because it seems as if Laura and Brett had met before, footage of how they realized this was not shown on air but came out in interviews, and because there is an additional relationship between the two has not been disclosed. So what we do NT know about Laura and Brett's relationship seem sto be of more concern than what we know of Marcus and Crystal being one step removed from each other.
Posted Dec 24, 2009 @ 6:49 AM
I'm almost positive they had not, since they didn't even realize the connection until they started talking about where they both came from. They definitely did not recognize each other.
it did not seem as if Marcus and Crystal had met before, just that they had this friend in common.
Posted Jan 3, 2010 @ 7:44 PM
Posted Jan 8, 2010 @ 3:02 AM
As to answer your question,the only one I can think of (if this is your idea of "going nuts") was Big Tom in ASS when after getting his torched snuffed, he walked halfway down the walk of shame, turned around and gave Boston Rob the evil eye.
Then after giving Boston Rob the "you broke our promise in this lying, cheating game" speach, Tom did the most classic movement. Went over to shake Rob's hand and as soon as Rob reached out to shake back, Tom pulled away with that, "Don't be stupid, STUPID!" Sorry, that still makes me laugh.
Then another time when Greg (the weird blond kid) was voted off Survivor, he did his loud, pretend cry and you can see some people jump. Then you hear Rudy mumble, as serious as possible, "I thought he was serious".
My favorite is still when Rudy got voted off ASS and he gave his finishing speech, he says, "I know people!" I picture him getting his VFW buddies together and coming after Saboga.
And where do they go to the bathroom?
I remember a few seasons when they would get Charmin or Home Depot Supplies, they'd make a "latrine" (as in Season 1 when they all kept thinking of latrine before water and shelter on Pagong. But I read and article with Jeff that says they have to go in the ocean. When is this poor man going to have to stop answering the same damn questions? "Do they get food secretely given to them?" But then sometimes the trauma in your body will make you not have a bowel movement for several weeks. Remember vote ABC Dr. Sean in Borneo and how proud he was to have his first bm in a few weeks. Great way to start off the day!
Posted Jan 10, 2010 @ 9:04 PM
What was the episode where someone at Tribal Council turned to Jeff and said "Jeff, I'm ready to vote"? It's been bugging me. I watched the old seasons too quickly...
It drove me nuts too because I had NO idea what season it was in. Now, I know. [as I'm doing a Survivor-thon in honour of the 10th anniversary].
Dreamz: "I don't want a shaquanae... a shilloqoq..."
Jeff: "A soliloquy?"
Dreamz: "Yeah one of those. I just want a straight answer, so ask her again Jeff."
Jeff: "I think you just did."
Dreamz: "So, do you?"
Lisi: "Can't I catch a break here? Can't I just catch my breath--"
Dreamz: "Okay, Jeff I'm ready to vote."
Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 10:28 PM
Posted Apr 6, 2011 @ 11:57 PM
They still go to loser lodge (pre-jury) and Ponderosa (jury phase), so they were probably talking about meeting up after the season wrapped.
Posted Apr 7, 2011 @ 12:23 AM
Posted Apr 16, 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Posted May 15, 2011 @ 6:55 PM
Posted Oct 19, 2011 @ 3:45 PM
Posted Oct 20, 2011 @ 2:21 AM
I think that nickname originated in Coach. Dragons, Warriors, Wizards; it all fits together.
Can anyone tell me what is the deal with Stephen Fishbach calling himself The Wizard?
Posted Oct 20, 2011 @ 3:12 AM
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Posted Nov 29, 2011 @ 12:20 AM
Posted Nov 29, 2011 @ 7:30 AM
"Coach" is an actual word and I would hope Ralph could get through that one without a spelling error. Hard to believe anyone, anywhere would try to spell Keith as "Cieth." I could see him writing Kieth though.
Ralph would have a field day with "Cochran" though. Cochrun. Cockrun. Cokrun.
Posted Dec 28, 2011 @ 8:56 PM
The concept isn't one of a "sacrificial goat," it's the concept of a "scapegoat," i.e., someone meant to shoulder the blame for things that go wrong or, in the case of Survivor, who has committed worse sins than whatever the goat-bringer may have committed in the eyes of the jury. In other words, the goat-bringer is saying to the jury, in essence, that his or her goat is so unlikeable and/or unworthy that the jury should feel compelled to vote for the goat-bringer. This strategy is what defeated Russell all three times that he played the game and made Final Tribal Council: those who brought him along to the end did so because they knew that he had alienated so many of the people on the jury that there was no way in Hell that any of them would vote for him to win.
Also, can someone explain the origin of the term "goat" to refer to the people brought to the end because they're unlikable? Thanks.
Cochran, Edna and Rick voted for Coach, all the others voted for Sophie. I must confess that I don't know about the term "goat" though.
"Goat" has got several different connotations but since I don't know who originally used it in Survivor I'll just throw out the two probable cases in the sense of the game.
A goat is a girl (or several girls) that the more attractive/desirable woman surrounds herself with in order to be seen as even more attractive and desirable.
The more likely meaning when it comes to Survivor is just the concept of a "sacrificial goat" that people would bring and sacrifice to appease the gods/jury so that they (the sacrificer) could be rewarded or forgiven. Why the term "lamb" never caught on never really made sense to me, I guess "goat" just sounds worse.
Edited by legaleagle44, Dec 28, 2011 @ 9:33 PM.
Posted Dec 29, 2011 @ 12:52 AM
Posted Dec 29, 2011 @ 10:32 AM
I've always figured that they didn't talk about it as much anymore because not only has it gotten easier, but the show wants to focus on the gameplay/manipulations/machinations instead of people griping about how cold it is or how much it rains. I don't know about the food changes. People still lose a lot of weight each season at least.
Posted Dec 29, 2011 @ 9:36 PM
People who apply for and really want to be on Survivor know what it's all about. Wannabe actors and models who are looking to pad their resume sometimes find it too difficult or unpleasant and add nothing to the game, much less the show.
Posted Dec 30, 2011 @ 12:11 PM
There has also been, I think, an increase in the producers ignoring the rules for their own ends. For example, they blew off the rule about collusion between players and sharing prize money way back with Rob and Amber because it made for a nice story. Where they could have handled this any number of ways such as keeping the romance quiet, they instead chose to make it a prime story line. They've also green-lighted unpleasant behavior they previously said was verboten, such as letting contestants to steal from each other.
For what it's worth, these all add up to the same thing for me: increased meddling and influence by producers. There's an argument to be made that this is 'ruining the show' but hey, they've now been on for a decade. And we're still watching.
Posted Jan 17, 2012 @ 11:21 PM
Posted Jan 18, 2012 @ 12:19 AM
I often see the first All-Star season referred to on here as "ASS". What's with that? Was it officially called All-Star Survivor? Are people just drawing attention to what ASSes half the cast were? I feel weird using the abbreviation itself if I'm somehow misunderstanding it, but I'm about to watch that season for the first time, so I want to abbreviate it right.
It was officially "Survivor: All-Stars" (and "Survivor: Tournament of Champions" in development), but it seems to be a reference to how underwhelming the cast (and season) was. It may also be a deliberate attempt to not use the acronym SAS, which refers to elite special forces units in the British and Australian militaries, which 17 of the 18 contestants definitely were not (although Rudy as a Navy SEAL is probably fairly close to being a US equivalent).
Posted Jan 18, 2012 @ 1:43 AM
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Posted Jan 23, 2012 @ 10:40 PM
Posted Apr 7, 2012 @ 8:24 PM
Let’s talk ties, shall we?
If there's a tie in the final vote, which has never yet happened...well, no one knows how they'd break the tie. The producers have apparently agreed on a method, but the contestants haven't been told what it is, and no one in production's been willing to spill the beans.
To this day, nobody knows what the scenario is for a tie at final tribal. It’s one secret that has stayed a secret. I think everyone just assumes that if the vote is a tie at 4-4-1, that the third finalist casts a vote to break the tie. The question has always been, though, when does that happen? On location? On the live show, when everyone has seen the final product?
Well, the other day, this just came to me. I think it would go down like this:
Let’s use Cook Islands as the example, since it was the closest vote in the Final 3 …
OK, Ozzy got votes from Parvati, Rebecca, Jenny and Nate. Yul got Sundra, Penner, Candice and Adam. But let’s just say that Brad gave his vote to Becky. What I think would happen is this: Votes are cast, Probst goes back for the urn. Now, c’mon … someone in production KNOWS it’s a tie by now. So Probst comes back with the urn and says, “Ladies and gentlemen, we have a tie. Here’s what happens now. Each of the finalists must now go cast a vote for a winner between the other two finalists. You cannot vote for yourself.” No one knows who the tie is between or if it’s 4-4-1 or 3-3-3. So then, Yul votes between Becky and Ozzy, and Ozzy votes between Yul and Becky, neither of them knowing that their votes are moot – Becky would cast the winning vote between Yul and Ozzy. Each finalist seals their vote in an envelope and writes their name on the outside before sticking it in the urn.
Now, for TV, when the voting starts, we see the most obvious votes. Say, Nate’s vote for Ozzy, Sundra’s vote for Yul, and Brad’s vote for Becky. Then, we see Probst’s “we have a tie” spiel, then each finalist going to vote. After that it becomes like every other live show; Jeff grabs the urn, cut to the live show. Once the tie is decided, Becky then walks to Jeff and opens her envelope, revealing the winner.
Now, granted, once they show Yul and Ozzy’s fourth votes on TV, it becomes pretty obvious that Becky will be the deciding vote and all the mystery is gone for anybody who watched the entire series over a three-month span on TV.
But still, how about if Marty had stayed strategic and voted for Sash in Nicaragua? That would have been interesting because I have no idea how Sash would have voted. But still, I think that’s how it would go down.
Now, in the case of 3-3-3 vote, I have no idea because each finalist could vote for someone different and it becomes 4-4-4. No idea on that one.
Plus, to this day, I'm dying to know how it would have gone down in FvF if Parvati and Amanda had each gotten 4 votes. Probst had a sealed envelope … if there is one behind-the-scenes answer I’d kill for, it’s that – what was in the envelope? Personally, I think it was empty, because c’mon … they knew who was winning before the live show. We’re not that stupid.
All of this, of course, is concrete proof that it should always be Final 2, jury of 7, 16 players.
Edited by Bob Sambob, Apr 7, 2012 @ 9:11 PM.
Posted Apr 10, 2012 @ 4:50 PM
OK, Ozzy got votes from Parvati, Rebecca, Jenny and Nate. Yul got Sundra, Penner, Candice and Adam. But letís just say that Brad gave his vote to Becky. What I think would happen is this: Votes are cast, Probst goes back for the urn. Now, címon Ö someone in production KNOWS itís a tie by now. So Probst comes back with the urn and says, ďLadies and gentlemen, we have a tie. Hereís what happens now. Each of the finalists must now go cast a vote for a winner between the other two finalists. You cannot vote for yourself.Ē No one knows who the tie is between or if itís 4-4-1 or 3-3-3. So then, Yul votes between Becky and Ozzy, and Ozzy votes between Yul and Becky, neither of them knowing that their votes are moot Ė Becky would cast the winning vote between Yul and Ozzy. Each finalist seals their vote in an envelope and writes their name on the outside before sticking it in the urn.
Well, this prompts the question of how much jurors talk amongst themselves, right? If I'd been watching Cook Islands and heard it was a tie, I'd have been fairly confident it was a 4-4-1 vote with some idiot throwing a vote to Becky. Surely the jury's read of one another would be much clearer than my read of the jury, and they would know that three of them didn't vote for Becky.
So I assume it would start like any tie: just a straight revote, with the current jury voting again. And I assume that Brad, in this situation, would know, "Okay, I was the only dumbass who threw a vote to the obvious third-place person, so I'm going to break the tie for Yul."
Agreed that in an actual, intractable tie situation - say, a 3-3-3 where three finalists had actually captured the hearts of three voters each - your system would make more sense. And agreed in a big way with:
All of this, of course, is concrete proof that it should always be Final 2, jury of 7, 16 players.