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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 2:23 PM

There's been a lot of discussion this season about the following issues:

Do the judges use their scoring/comments to try to influence how people vote?

Do the producers want a female finalist?

Do the producers want a finalist who works for ABC/Disney?

Are the dancers and celebrities fed lines to use in the interviews? Are the "storylines" pre-ordained?

So I thought it would be a good idea to have one thread to discuss all of these theories and whatever else you come up with regarding any behind-the-scenes machinations.

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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 2:43 PM

Do the judges use their scoring/comments to try to influence how people vote?


Well, heck yes, though I don't think there's any conspiracy here. If you're a judge, you want people to vote for the dancers you think are strongest and most interesting, so you give the highest scores and best remarks to your favorites and hope the public follows suit.

Do the producers want a female finalist?


Finalist as in top three? Sure. Makes it more interesting. As the winner? Who knows. They've hired several female competitors with prior dance experience so it seems clear they wanted a woman to go the distance.

Do the producers want a finalist who works for ABC/Disney?


I'm sure they do, which is why they put in Sabrina Bryan. She'll make the final on ability alone, so that's ten weeks of Cheetah Girls promotion. I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, though - she really can dance. Conspiracy would be if they put in a mediocre dancer and ordered the judges to jack up the scores. It does, however, make the show less interesting; who wants to see a professional dancer trouncing amateurs? Weak.

Are the dancers and celebrities fed lines to use in the interviews? Are the "storylines" pre-ordained?


Is the Pope Catholic? Some lines and stories definitely pre-ordained to ramp up the drama.
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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 2:56 PM

There are a suspicious number of mentions of ballroom dancing on ABC's soaps right now. Not specific to Cameron, and no commercials for him, either, but waltzing and paso doble on General Hospital? What the heck?
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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 3:05 PM

Sometimes I wonder whether they wanted a woman to win this season or not.

This season, the females they cast were:

Josie - no chance of winning

Marie - no chance of winning

Jane - no chance of winning

Sabrina - pegged as a ringer from the start, then seen as judges' pet, meaning she probably won't win

Jennie - Insecure, fragile, and TPTB play up her insecurities in all the rehearsal clips. Maybe they're waiting for her to bloom, but I'm not sure. She does get the best wardrobe, and she got a good partner.

Mel - The subject of backhanded compliments from the judges, ugly costumes, and negatively slanted rehearsal editing. The week she finally gets a perfect score, she's *immediately* insulted by Samantha because she only rehearsed for six hours. The judges often seem to love her more than the producers. The judge who seems most aligned with producers (Carrie Ann) is the most critical of Mel.

Let's look at the men. Wayne, Albert, and Mark were cannon fodder. Floyd was probably cannon fodder.

Cameron - Given the underdog arc. Cast on the show even though TPTB had to know his soap fan base would keep him around a long time. Pushed as the "Superman", and given iconic theme music to help gain him fans. Shades of Joey last year with the Star Wars tango (they both got encores). The judge who seems most close to what the producers might want (Carrie Ann) is the most supportive of Cameron.

Helio - Good friends with Apolo Ohno. Given one of the most popular pros. Praised highly from the first week, but rarely in a way which seemed designed to cause backlash (like being given perfect scores). Given plenty of footage to show us how determined and adorable he is. When he had an awful rumba, we were supposed to think he bounced right back with his cha-cha. I think this also happened the week before his rumba, we were supposed to see his dance that week as a comeback for him.

Was this season ever supposed to be a season for women, or were they hoping to have the women out front, deflecting the usual criticism the season is rigged for men, and then have their beloved underdogs Cameron and Helio get to the final three? Or the final two, in a repeat of Joey/Apolo? Then one of them wins. If it's Cameron, then the show is happy, and ABC is happy.

Edited by MarkC99, Oct 30, 2007 @ 3:18 PM.

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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:04 PM

American Idol flashbacks. Having witnessed the power of Disney I am SHOCKED.

Theory: ABC booked her off to avoid being accused of favoritism. That doesn't make much sense, but that's all I've got.

Question: American Idol has a clause that says they can kick off whoever they want for whatever reason. Does DWTS have something similar?

Edited by Augurey, Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:19 PM.

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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:12 PM

Delete because people take it personally when I was just stating my opinion.

Edited by Stormy4, Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:20 PM.

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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:18 PM

We have had a white female, white males, and a black male win. This year it will be Mel B who wins.


I have to disagree here- I know a lot of folks who have warmed up to Mel (me included) for reasons like her dancing and personality- not because of her race.

I am surprised...nay...shocked that Sabrina was out- but I don't think she was out because of her race and that Mel is still in because of her race. I think there may have been some grumbling about her being on an ABC owned station- but I just don't want to think that Mel is advancing just because of her race. If so- why was Carrie harsh on her for so long and why is she still not feautred much in behind the scenes?

Sorry- not trying to bash your opinion- I just get uncomfortable when minorities who win are only thought to do so because of something behind the scenes- not because they deserve it. You are free to have your opinion, I am free to disagree with it. ;)

Edited by Chesty LaRue, Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:28 PM.

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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:20 PM

After the little Q/A with the judges tonight I think they are setting up for a Mel/Helio showdown. Len mentioned wanting to see her go all the way and then I believe they talked about Helio being a champion or having a champion smile.
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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 9:57 PM

I just get uncomfortable when minorities who win are only thought to do so because of something behind the scenes- not because they deserve it.

Here here, I remember this very allegation came up with Randall on The Apprentice.

Edited by Sugarbaker, Oct 31, 2007 @ 1:01 AM.

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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 10:20 PM

I get upset when race becomes a factor. You have a talented individual (Randall) who gets a questionable win.

I worry if the push for Mel will result in a backlash. I really do not want that.

I doubt ABC wants Jane and Marie in the finale. I am guessing ABC wants Cameron/Helio/Jennie/Mel. They get that even male/female split. Also a more younger skewing fan base.

If ABC wants to aim younger, they will aim for a Houghs, Mel finale. I am guessing next week Jane will get less critical comments.
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Posted Oct 30, 2007 @ 10:42 PM

Color me shocked. There goes my brilliant theory. Okay, now I have another one; the producers felt the show lacked suspense and set up Sabrina to take a fall?
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Posted Oct 31, 2007 @ 4:26 AM

I don't think it's necessarily a conspiracy that ABC wanted one of its own to win. It's just...business.

MarkC99, I think your analysis of the stars are pretty much right. The only thing with Helio, is that Cheryl won two years in a row and then Julianne won. Now Julianne's the reigning champ and it seems like with Helio she might be headed for a back-to-back. So I think in some ways, that can be an advantage. She has a lot of exposure and fans, but some people will maybe feel like they don't want it to be just a few pros who are always making it to the finals and winning, so they might actively not vote for Julianne and Helio because of that.

And, not only has Jennie been getting an improvement arc, Ian lasted to the final four even though he wasn't even nearly in Laila/Apolo/Joey's league because he had fans. I'm assuming Jennie has a lot of 90210 fans, just like Ian. She seems nice and sweet, and she's actually pretty decent at dancing. So, I think it's possible for Jennie to make the finals. I think she'll go the way of Laila and get booted off before finals, but it's possible she'll make it to the finals so that ABC can get the Hough vs. Hough finale. But who knows?

Also, didn't one of the judges say to Laila last year that it was really hard for her because, as a woman, she was judged to the standards of the female pros? And dancing is a lot about looking good as a couple, but a lot of times, that's judged on the way the female looks. So it's always a little harder for the women because their partners can't pull a Cheryl to cover up their stars' weaknesses and because the women are being compared to the female pros.

Edited: Because grammar is important, kiddos!

Edited by HotBlooded, Oct 31, 2007 @ 4:28 AM.

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Posted Oct 31, 2007 @ 7:21 AM

You're right, HotBlooded. I think Cheryl's second victory had as much to do with antipathy against Mario and respect for Emmitt as it did admiration for Cheryl. That isn't in the mix this season because the most polarizing person (Sabrina) is gone. Helio won't be winning as many anti-votes, which become important towards the last half of the season.

The men do have it easier this season, even more than other seasons. They have the best pros, in Julianne's case a very popular pro, and they have the underdog arcs. Cameron being in the bottom two means he will have a huge boost and may be safe for the rest of the competition. Helio is usually a show favorite and they do what they can for him. Meanwhile, the women are still splitting votes, and the recent press comments from Marie and Jane have been directly targeted at the female celebrities.

Helio and Cameron are well on their way to sliding into the finale if this pattern continues.
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Posted Oct 31, 2007 @ 10:06 AM

I honestly don't think Ian lasted to final four because of a 90210 constituency. I think he lasted because he was better than the other competitors save for Apolo, Joey and Laila and her tried hard. Remember those who went before him? Clyde, Leeza, John, Heather, Billy Ray? IMO, Ian made the semi-finals on merit.
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Posted Oct 31, 2007 @ 10:36 AM

I think Cheryl's second victory had as much to do with antipathy against Mario and respect for Emmitt as it did admiration for Cheryl. That isn't in the mix this season because the most polarizing person (Sabrina) is gone. Helio won't be winning as many anti-votes, which become important towards the last half of the season.

I don't think there was as much of an "anti-Mario" vote for Emmitt as much as the show beat into our heads every week that Emmitt was a Great American Hero. If people respected Emmitt, and I have no doubt they did because he is a great guy without the puff pieces, a large part of that respect was because the show DEMANDED it by telling us he was An American Sports Hero at every turn. So, I think there was a big assist from the show in Emmitt's win because every week they presented the storyline as Big American Hero v. Little Mexican Guy with a Bad Attitude. That Emmitt's scores were usually inflated, and occasionally higher than Mario's who they admitted often danced at a professional level, also helped establish him as being a better dancer than he was. As someone who liked both Emmitt and Mario, I felt the show treated Mario poorly and took every chance to make him look horrible in comparison to Emmitt, which I don't think is really the case and whatever sour grapes he may have from his experience are kind of earned.

I'm a Gator and I've watched Emmitt since his college days. I have nothing but the utmost respect for him both as an athlete and an individual because he is gracious and humble in the face of all that success. But I found the way the show presented him as smarmy and over the top. The real Emmitt is charming and endearing enough without them going so far overboard. And he didn't exactly earn that win as the show engineered it at every turn.

As for this season, though, I do think the producers specifically cast a few women (Mel, Jane and especially Sabrina) with some dance training because the women do usually get booted too soon (Willa, Monique) but I posit that it's less a bias against the women or that the women celebrities are being judged against the professional women (because the male celebrities are being judged against people like Maks and Alec and, hello, they pale even more in comparison) than it is that the male pros, with the exception of Jonathan who always gets a "challenging" partner, aren't particularly likeable.

Maks and Tony are smarmy, Alec is pretty but dour and occasionally humorlessly judgmental, Mark and Derek are unknown and a bit too hyper and superficial, and Louis (I know he hasn't been around but his presence still irks me) is such a preening peacock I always want to knee him in the balls. Only Jonathan enhances whatever charms and endearing qualities his partner has. When the woman celebrity isn't particularly famous, like Paulina last season, it's difficult for her to overcome Alec's introverted presence, though he seemed to like her and I got his "jokes" about communism, and even though she was nowhere near the worst of the season (Hello, Billy Ray?) she lost because Alec couldn't make her more likeable, in the way Karina, who I believe is probably popular, if a bit polarizing, did for Billy Ray. So she, who is quite a naturally sweet and goofily charming person, seemed less so because of Alec while Billy Ray, a big greasy doofus, seemed less so because of Karina.

Edited by vallegirl, Oct 31, 2007 @ 10:46 AM.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 11:13 AM

With one exception I believe the wrong couple has won every year.

I'm no Sabrina fan but she got hosed. If you are allowed on the show you should be allowed to win. Who started all this "ringer" stuff anyway? A bunch of amateur producers on an internet bulletin board?

I can't stand Jane and Marie and I'm older than both. How they get votes is beyond me but if somebody dug up Elvis and wheeled him around the stage in a wheelbarrow he'd probably win the competition.
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 11:18 AM

If one contestant is allowed to win, then all the contestants should be allowed to win. Which means, all contestants should be allowed to lose, too.

She lost because it's not just a dance competition or a popularity contest, it's both. It always has been and it never presented itself as anything but. She may have won the judges but she didn't win the audience. All the previous winners, except maybe Kelly, managed to win over both halves of the equation, but Sabrina didn't and she lost.

Every season someone good goes home early while someone who has no place being there past the second or third week goes far. This time it's Marie over Sabrina. Sucks for Sabrina fans, but works out great for Marie fans, who, by the way she's never been in the bottom two, would be a larger group of viewers, anyway.

Edited by vallegirl, Nov 1, 2007 @ 11:19 AM.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 11:26 AM

Which means, all contestants should be allowed to lose, too.


I don't think that that's what the previous poster was saying, I think she was simply referring to the detractors who say that Sabrina shouldn't be allowed to win because of her ringer status.

who, by the way she's never been in the bottom two, would be a larger group of viewers, anyway.


We don't know that, since we don't know why exactly Sabrina lost. Not that I'm doubting the devotion of Marie fans, lol. But while some viewers never made any secret of their displeasure regarding Sabrina, there were also quite a number of viewers who said that they simply didn't vote for her because they thought she was safe. That could very well mean that the number of Marie fans don't outnumber Sabrina fans, just that the latter got complacent and ended up being caught flatfooted.
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 11:43 AM

I guess I have a few (hundreds of) words to say about the ringer thing. I tried to ignore them but they won't go away.

she continued to dance the way she did as she came in. She learned the routines but not ballroom.


I totally disagree with this in the abstract. My understanding is that most hip hop and jazz dancers don't have extensive experience dancing with a partner the way a ballroom dancer must. That whole set of skills is usually new. Now, I have no idea about Sabrina, specifically, but I assume she's typical in that respect. So I think Sabrina did learn a lot about ballroom. I suspect Sabrina was as much "a fish out of water", at least in that respect, as anyone.

I think the ringer arguments perpetuate a real misunderstanding of ballroom as a form of dance that is, among other things, partnership based. That's as objective a statement as I can make about the topic. And it's beginning to irk me. (Not any particular post, just this entire misunderstanding in general.)

Also, when one is currently a dancer (no matter what type of dancing), your muscles are trained better, and your stamina is better. I feel as well, that mentally you are more likely to pick up the choreography faster, because that part of your brain which is utilized in learning a dance isn't rusty.


I understand this part of the argument better. I agree that a person with dance experience may come in with a higher aptitude to ballroom dance. But, to me, that's just a difference in natural ability. No one can deny that Apolo had stamina, muscle sense, and plenty of natural ability. Drew - had to work for some of the more physical aspects - but he had plenty of natural ability, too. You may have an advantage because you've trained in a sport that requires you to have precise balance and control over your every movement, you may have an advantage because you have a finely tuned ability to feel and interpret music better than most, or you may have an advantage because you've honed your ability to pick up choreography in another discipline of dance. All of those things help, without a doubt, and I appreciate posts that try to identify things specifically.

But let's get real. It's precisely because ballroom requires all those skills (and more) that makes it so interesting and allows people to rank what they like differently. And because of that, it's not at all obvious to me that anyone can draw a universally acceptable line around certain things (and not others) as giving an unfair advantage or not. I don't see how any generalization (e.g. tarring someone with a ringer label just because they happen to have had prior unrelated dance experience) could be anything but completely arbitrary. It's a convenient label, no more, no less. One that (I suppose) adds excitement and drama, so I don't expect to see it disappear. But, for me, objections to someone based on whether they are a ringer or not never holds up as anything more than as an imprecise way to articulate whatever people are really thinking, which may be quite complicated.

The bottom line is people like what they like. It seems like many people didn't like Sabrina's strength and power and smile and "one-note" style. Fine. I can understand that. I didn't like Emmitt and Laila for similar reasons. I guess some people don't like certain choreographers. Fine. I have my favorites, too. But that's not about being a ringer or not. That's not about arguing over what, objectively, is better choreography. That's all about personal opinion and perception. I personally think Sabrina was very attractive and she and Mark were perfectly matched. She grew a ton and learned a lot of ballroom and I liked seeing it. I loved their performances. I understand how mileage can vary on that. And that's all it is. Varying mileage. Although I sure wish more people shared my taste.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 12:43 PM

Um...wow. Well, it's a whole new ball(room) game, folks! I thought I had the final 4 pegged and now I have no idea.


Well, however ringer may or may not be defined, Dancing With the Stars is at present a ringer-less universe and it makes things feel a little skeery. Like the show will suddenly be proceeding forward without a safety net.

Because that is what the role of a ringer is, IMO. A safety net. Someone who can be counted on to bring dancing skills. Given that this is a dancing show. Among other things, of course. But those other things are all resting on the foundation of the dancing.

I'm actually a fan of the inclusion of a ringer. I like tuning in with the confidence that there will be at least one couple who can be counted on to deliver. Each individual performance of their's may not necessarily live up to expectations but more often than not it will at least fail in an interesting way. At least the failure will not be because of incompetence.

My biggest frustration with ringers is when they are transparently being held back. For example, Mario Lopez. Here was so obviously a great dancer, JMO, paired with Karina, also a great dancer. I longed to see what they could really do if there were no limits. It seemed that there was a danger of Mario even showing up the male pros and thus throwing the show out of kilter so the producers reined him in.

Joey Fatone was another one who was reined in, IMO. He didn't pose a threat to the male pros but he could have, if performing at full capacity (even being ballroom-challenged), have far outshone any of the other contestants.

With watching Sabrina, there was no frustration of this sort. Even with her dancing background, ballroom was still a reach for her. She didn't have to dumb down her skill set for the show. Of course, there was another frustration with her. That was having been dazzled and riveted by her first performance and then never seeing that magic happen again.

But it was still interesting to turn in week after week to seek if Mark and Sabrina would be able to recapture the explosiveness of their first week. The potential was indisputably there.

That's what I'll miss about Sabrina and Mark being gone. Aside from the fact that they both seemed to be lovely people and were therefore a welcome presence. The chance to see them reignite as dancers. It was inevitable that they would have. Especially with the tango being their next dance. (Regretful sigh...)

Edited by calli, Nov 1, 2007 @ 12:47 PM.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 12:52 PM

If Edyta went on another network's ballroom dance show, that would be a ringer. To my mind, having dance experience outside of ballroom does not a ringer make.

That said, I thought she and Mark were amazingly talented and I have watched that rhumba of theirs a lot.
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 12:56 PM

Ringers are there to bring the competition up a few notches. Stacy, Mario, and Joey brought it. Love them or hate them they raised the bar and made the show watchable. Sabrina didnít. The only thing she had going for her was the speed. Actually, she wasnít much different than Jane. Janeís wonderful in Ballroom but not so in Latin. Sabrina excelled in Latin but not so in Ballroom.
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:03 PM

I really respectfully disagree. I don't think Stacy, Mario or Joey were ringers either. They had dance experience, not ballroom experience. W/ that criteria, I'm a ringer.
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:09 PM

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I really respectfully disagree. I don't think Stacy, Mario or Joey were ringers either. They had dance experience, not ballroom experience. W/ that criteria, I'm a ringer.


I totally agree with you. They were considered ringers though.

Edited by imhere2, Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:11 PM.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:17 PM

I don't think Stacy, Mario or Joey were ringers either


I agree with this (though I think in Mario's case especially, he /or the show made the situation look worse than it was by initially fudging on just what his dance experience was), and that "dance experience" itself does not make you a Ballroom ringer.

And I think the show needs a cast with a range of dance experience being brought in, since there's otherwise no way to even semi-predict that you'll get some good dancing at least. I mean, if you rule out anyone who has any sort of dance background, you could end up with a season of Billy Rays, and a show that would be IMO unwatchable.
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:46 PM

I think mileage varies on the greatness of Mario as a dancer. Mine does anyway.

I don't think you need a range of dance experience on the show, because there's always somebody there who turns out to be really good at learning and entertains the crowd despite not having ballroom or dance in their background. I think it's important to get a range of ages and physical fitness more than varied dance background. From a mix of competition fit athletes and celebrities accustomed to live entertainment you're probably going to get some really good DWTs competitors and performances, even with no dance background in there.

I consider DWTS a celebrity dancing competition where celebrities are learning both ballroom and how to dance as they are competing. That's the excitement, the risk, the suspense, and the exhileration when they pull it off.

A dancing competition/show is SYTYCD, as least those are the expectations I bring when I tune in to DWTs and - rarely - to SYTYCD.

I don't need ringers to ensure somebody is going to deliver decent dancing - Season 1 lacked ringers and was still darn entertaining. As far as I'm concerned Kelly Monaco never did learn how to dance but for some weird reason I always found her routines with Alec amazingly entertaining, and I don't have a girl crush. Didn't think she should have won.. :) but always watched her while ff through Rachel Hunter.

Drew did great dancing all the way through his season without being a ringer, I looked forward to him and Cheryl the most. There's usually a celebrity there who is reliably kicking ass, and it's often not the "ringer".

So I guess my feeling is, it always works out. I actually find ringers tedious cause it's neither fish nor fowl - they're not doing what they do - they're learning ballroom, but they're not doing especially stellar ballroom, so there's not much I enjoy about it, and I can get my high level ballroom fix from the pros dancing together. The middle ground isn't very fun and that's how I end up feeling about ringers. They're ahead of the other celebs but in a way that makes the experience like watching dull pros instead of exciting celeb dancers. Just me, of course.

As opposed to - holy shit, did you see Emmitt's mambo and waltz? Apolo's rumba and paso? Drew's tango?

That's the best explanation I can offer. I really don't enjoy SYTYCD although I've tried, so that probably connects to my not enjoying ringers very much on DWTs.

Edited by WaltzinSpringTm, Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:48 PM.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 1:49 PM

And yet, some people called Drew a ringer because he had danced w/ his cute little boy band. Again, my position is that if you haven't been trained in ballroom, you aren't a ringer, even if you danced professionally as a Dallas Cowboy cheerleader, which interestingly enough Jane Seymour did when she had to learn the routines for a dreadful movie. lol
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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 2:03 PM

I know they called him that, but they were mistaken. :) Those 98 degrees boys just bent their knees to music and I don't think Nick can dance a lick, and he was their lead.

For me a ringer is somebody who has extensive professional-level dance training in any dance discipline and has worked and/or previously competed as a dancer. Not getting paid to learn a routine for a movie, for instance, but getting paid to dance, full stop. I'll exempt from that label any actor or actress who learned a dance for a movie, but I'm calling ringer on anybody who is or has been a dancer by trade.

But, does this mean I think ringers shouldn't be allowed into DWTs? No. I don't think it's important to have them, either. Still, I'm not going to root them on unless I see them improving, because then the competition makes no sense to me. Cast a celebrity who knows how to dance, watch em coast to the finals and the win. Why am I watching that? And I definitely don't think we need ringers to ensure entertaining dancing, I'm naturally not going to think that because my favorite dancers were never them. I'm often snoring through them. I just think it always works out. So far it has. There's always somebody or a couple of somebodies who don't have meaningful dance background who ends up doing really well, being a crowd favorite and good television, making me look forward to their performance.

Edited by WaltzinSpringTm, Nov 1, 2007 @ 2:09 PM.

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 2:26 PM

I thought season three was a *very* tense, unpleasant season. There was so much desperation and insecurity on display. Sometimes I thought Joey Lawrence and Willa Ford might burst into tears at how much they needed to be there. Mario had a cocky attitude and took his loss none too well. Monique and Louis had a very intense, perfectionist relationship where Monique was trying so hard it was almost hard to watch sometimes.

This season sometimes is giving me the same feeling. I've been very disappointed in the bitterness from some of the females this season, namely Jane (and sometimes Marie), because this is the first season where women outnumbered men, and here we are with some of them fulfilling stereotypes about women not being able to get along (Jane has seemingly taken a shot at every woman left in the competition, while saying nothing about Helio or Cameron). I think most of the women this season have been good sports and formed good bonds with each other, but that's not what generates press attention.

I don't think it's necessarily possible for anyone to 'raise the game' of other contestants. Stacey didn't raise Drew's game - Drew was kicking butt from the first week. Apolo was a perfectionist and would want to be the best even if his competition consisted of cast members from Teletubbies. I think Sabrina did bring out a competitive spirit in the people around her, while also maintaining a positive attitude. Whether they worked harder because of her, I don't know, but I was disappointed at how some of the other people this season treated her in the press. This is the first season I can remember where people have been so bitter in the press while the competition is still going on. It's starting to cast a pall over the season.

Edited by MarkC99, Nov 1, 2007 @ 2:31 PM.

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ali19

ali19

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Posted Nov 1, 2007 @ 2:30 PM

As far as I'm concerned Kelly Monaco never did learn to dance but for some weird reason I always found her routines with Alec amazingly entertaining.


Didn't Kelly Monaco have acrobatic training in her background. And would her dances with Alec have been as entertaining (especially the free style where he threw her around) without it?

Edited by ali19, Nov 1, 2007 @ 2:32 PM.

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