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Posted Sep 14, 2007 @ 11:55 PM

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Jaime's doubts about Hugo persist, even after a drug-fueled siesta; Carolyn is surging, but Palek seems to be losing interest; Dave and Katie argue over the value of Katie's therapy sessions; May reaches out to an old acquaintance.



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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 9:10 PM

LOL! Did anyone watch? You didn't miss much if you didn't. The approach the directors and scripts are taking is too clinical and too real life. It's like we're observing specimens in a petri dish, not flesh and blood characters. You can take a low key approach without completely stopping the pulse. The 20 somethings NEED TO DIE. They could be gone from the show and it wouldn't matter.

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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 9:19 PM

I am still watching it, but i don't know if I am enjoying it. The reality approach is a little too low-key to be compelling, although I am starting to care about the characters, so there may be hope for this series yet! I actually liked the younger set's storyline, although the female half is so incredibly whiny that she makes me cringe, the male actor is very good. The baby-making drama has caught my interest, too. I would like to see more family drama a la the scene with the sister. The older crew is pretty sad, and I could have done without the masturbation finale.

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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 9:24 PM

LOL! Did anyone watch? You didn't miss much if you didn't.


Yeah, where were all those jostling balls from last week? My husband correctly predicted that tonight's show wouldn't be nearly as graphic. I actually found it much easier to concentrate on the actual storyline without being distracted by random body parts. Yay for Jamie for breaking it off with Hugo, and yay for Palek for speaking up during therapy. He's the most sympathetic character to me by far.

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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 9:30 PM

This show would be better off if it concentrated more or just one or two couples. Might have a touch more time for a little character development. It's just too low key. The characters are not drawing me in, and I'm not appreciating that the infertile woman is being portrayed as a selfish megabitch more as time is going on instead of as someone in pain who's acting out. Thanks alot, writers. That's appreciated.

You have to like somebody to remain interested in a program.

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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 11:03 PM

I don't think she's whiny at all. She's expressing what she feels.

She can't help being suspicious of the guy. WHen he went into the convenience store, it was completely innocuous. But she couldn't help wondering if there would be some attractive woman behind the counter and he'd try to flirt.

The actress is really expressive.

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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 11:34 PM

If she's going to get jealous every time he flirts or sees another attractive woman in a store and dares to look at her, I don't blame him for not wanting to get married. Jamie's the kind of girl who gets upset if a boyfriend thinks another woman is pretty or thinks a woman on television is sexy. I'm just not invested in her and Hugo and think the show would have been better off had they not been included as characters. Someone needs to diaper them both. YMMV, but I'm just not invested in them.

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Posted Sep 16, 2007 @ 11:50 PM

I think Jamie's voice is just naturally whiny so anything she says sounds like she is complaining. I think that if this show did a better job of explaining things it would be easier to like the characters. I have no clue why the infertile woman even wants a child as she doesn't really have a warm relationship with anyone so far.

Oh well - at least we did get to see what the depths of hell really looks like. It is shopping for school supplies with the NoSex couple.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 12:05 AM

It seemed like Jaime wasn't suspicious at all until she overheard the guy boasting to his buds.

So he planted the seed if nothing else.

One thing though is that when they do start therapy, is it believable that a young couple in their 20s would be able to afford theray?

And would the couple try to work it out or just move on?

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 12:09 AM

One thing though is that when they do start therapy, is it believable that a young couple in their 20s would be able to afford therapy?


No, it isn't believable. Therapy is expensive. Jamie should just move on. She wants something he can't or is unwilling to give. Therapy won't make someone change who doesn't want to change.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 1:57 AM

If it wasn't for Ally Walker, I'd be so done with this boring ass show.

And seriously, whoever said the 20somethings need to DIE is spot on. My eyes burn at his scruffy face and my ears ring at her whiny voice. The stunt cock they used for Palek at the end of the last episode is more interesting to me than these two morons.

I'm giving it one more episode purely for Ally Walker.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 4:46 AM

I'm in the (very small, it seems) minority who actually is liking the show so far. I can relate on certain levels to each of the couples.... I remember dating jerks in my 20's who made me feel as though I had to suspect their every move. I understand Carolyn's despair at what seems to be infertility, although she seems like an extremely closed off person... I just don't understand why she's so embarassed about it, to the point of lying. And now, having 2 kids, a full time job, and almost no free time, I get the exhaustion of the 40's couple. The only part i'm a bit confused about is what is going on with the therapist. Anyone figure out who this guy who's been calling her is? At first I thought maybe it was someone she may have had an affair with, then I thought it could be a patient... no idea.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 6:56 AM

I adore this show, and don't understand the general lack of love for it.

I particularly appreciate it's willingness to strip or lay the couples *emotionally* bare at various stages of their relationship. Whilst it can be argued that there is a certain element of naval gazing to it, I embrace the show for it's integrity and honesty.

It sincerely explores a range of emotions and characters through the question of sex, and provides the opportunity for viewers to see themselves honestly portrayed on screen. Particularly interesting for me is watching other couples react to the characters, as we all can't help but project our own issues and feelings on to them.

From my perspective, then, this show is wonderful - it encourages viewers to lay themselves bare and (possibly) facilitate discussion amongst them. Whether the audience can be similarly honest and sincere with itself is entirely up to them.

Edited by Postkantian, Sep 17, 2007 @ 9:11 AM.


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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 8:21 AM

I adore this show, and don't understand the general lack of love for it.


Hmmm...let me see. Two episodes in and we've already got the three couples having the same fights and conversations (AND they even say "I can't have this fight/conversation with you anymore").

Not even any gratuitious nudity.

I realize these are the character's issues, but its a TV show, it's their job to add nuances and make it interesting because the Fuck/Bicker/Almost Fuck/Bicker routine is tired.

Sadly, the only thing I found interesting was the rapist calling her old love on the phone. She might as well have gotten drunk and driven by her house.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 9:02 AM

Sadly, the only thing I found interesting was the rapist calling her old love on the phone. She might as well have gotten drunk and driven by her house.


At first I was like "Rapist? Whoa, did I miss something?" Then I realized it was you were channeling Sean Connery.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 9:24 AM

I don't know...I see variations on a theme when the 'same' arguments recur. Unlike most television show's, the conversations and situations aren't used to trigger the next plot point.

They're used to show different aspects of the same characters. Whilst I understand that might be boring or tedious for many people, I feel that it fleshes out the characters and themes even further. So I feel that I am seeing the nuances accrue meaning.

Edited by Postkantian, Sep 17, 2007 @ 9:26 AM.


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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 10:06 AM

Some of the arguments are like Sopranos Season 5 when Tony and Carmela have the huge bust up.

So yeah, a lot of HBO viewers may be turned off by a whole show about that.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 10:19 AM

I completely forgot it was on last night.

The series is two episodes old and it's already slipping my mind. That's not a good sign, is it?

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 10:26 AM

Would it be fair to say that if you liked Once And Again and 30 Sum'n' your more likely to find the characters and nuances in this show interesting and truthful?

I'm not sure The Sopranos count, since we were measuring fights between Tony and Carmela's against far more information about the characters. Also there was a painstaking deliberateness by that author to define characters and at times explore them in larger themes. TMYLM is different. The greater character/character context doesn't matter here.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 11:00 AM

Re: channeling my Sean Connery

Yes I was! Unless she's an anal/rapist, in which case I'd be channeling Tobias Funke.

Man, this show is such a drag so far. No mix of levity at all, light up a little people. It's Sunday night, why such a bummer?

Edited by CerebralFitness, Sep 17, 2007 @ 11:02 AM.


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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 11:18 AM

I watch the show and find myself thinking "Relationships SUCK. Must avoid." Then I remember that I'm watching the show with Mr. Turtlegirl and that we've somehow been together for 12 years without descending into this kind of misery.

All three couples are spiralling downwards pretty damn fast, huh? Mr. Turtlegirl predicts that by episode eight, we'll see a husband driving a knife over and over again into his wife's dead body. (Of course he'll pick out the knife back in episode five, finally kill her in episode seven, and then take until episode ten to deposit her body parts around the city.) Naw, take that back: that means something would actually happen on the show.

I've got nothing against dark themes and characters, but come on...you need a little levity or drama or SOMETHING interesting in the mix.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 11:43 AM

Right, these people are all just miserable. Is it realistic? Maybe. Thank God I don't live it...but it doesn't make for good entertainment.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 12:01 PM

One thing that disappointed me in this episode was the cryptic, rambling message May put on the answering machine of some guy from her past. She's a therapist and I assume she has the ability to speak directly without all the runaround. Did she want to see him again? Did she not want to see him again? I have no clue what she was trying to tell him in all that rigamarole involving "grief" and "time."

I'm also wondering why NoBaby couple even ended up in therapy in the first place. I assume it was the woman's idea since she obviously wears the pants in that relationship but she doesn't strike me as the type of person to ask for that kind of help. Going to a therapist and then lying in therapy doesn't really seem like it would accomplish her "must make baby faster than my sister or die" goal.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 12:03 PM

I gave John From Cincinnati three episodes before bailing. I'm only giving this crap two.

Neil LaBute already covered this territory quite effectively in "Your Friends And Neighbors". And he did it in 2 hours, not 10. And that movie actually had a few laughs in it. If this show had Jason Patric drop-kicking a plastic fetus, I would be able to hang in there.

Watching anyone get stoned is monumentally boring, but watching those two dimwits get wasted was excruciating.

Even Curb Your Enthusiasm was awful tonight.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 12:03 PM

One thing I'm wondering about is why the infertile couple is even bothering to attend therapy. On the pilot show they both acknowledged they weren't being fully honest while on the couch. So this week, Palek tries to provide an honest and maybe insightful observation and his wife storms out. As someone else observed, therapy is expensive, not to mention time consuming. While it's obvious from looking at their palatial home that money is not a serious limiting factor, they appear to be busy people, so why do they bother if they're not willing to emotionally invest in the process?

As for the 20-somethings, seems to me that neither is ready for a marriage committment. They argue and try to resolve the issue by fucking wherever they might happen to be at that moment, they get high and drive down the freeeway, they cuss like gangstas even when talking to their parents. Sheesh, they sound like teens, not 20s.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 1:23 PM

I was confused by the significance of the note that was in Hugo's pocket. When he first pulled it out (no, I'm referring to the note) after the aborted hardwood floor fling (say that ten times fast) and argument, I assumed it was the waitress's phone number, confirming that Jaime's paranoia was warranted. Later, the note is lying out on the center console between them while they are driving down the freeway, which makes it unlikely it contained some clandestine information like another woman's phone number. What are y'all's takes on this?

As for the first two episodes and the series as a whole, I'm generally unimpressed. The characters and plots are not grabbing me at all, and the graphic nature of the sex is not adding anything, since this is not the glamorized, over-the-top, acrobatic antics one sees in porn, but rather much more realistic portrayals of many long-term couples' run-of-the-mill sex life which is not particularly exciting nor erotic. Palek is the character I like the most. I did actually enjoy the encounter between him and his wife early in the second episode where he took his time turning off the TV and putting down his sandwich to go upstairs and "do his duty". The sex was so lazy, passionless, clinical (and brief) in that encounter, I thought both actors sold it well there and the utter emotional exhaustion and exasperation on Palek's part came through very well. His wife meanwhile obviously is covering up a lot of issues, but she is so closed off that I just can't sympathize with her at all and she pisses me off. The other two couples are simply annoying.

I guess things could be worse. I never made it to the end of the pilot for "John from Cincinnati" but I will almost certainly tune in to episode three of this series. If it doesn't get better for me soon, I will be off the train before the end of the season, though.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 3:35 PM

I was confused by the significance of the note that was in Hugo's pocket.

At the very beginning of the episode when Jamie and Hugo are in the empty apartment, Jamie asks Hugo what "Julian" gave them for a present. Hugo flashes a piece of paper and says "What do you think?" and Jamie says "Drug dealer". As they leave the apartment in the middle of their fight, Hugo slips something out the the envelope. In the car on the freeway, Hugo, while driving, smiles and tells Jamie "I'm high" and I think she says "Me too." Cut to the envelope on the seat, and if you freeze frame, you can see written on it "Jamie & Hugo/Congrats/Julian". We see Jamie in the passenger seat getting all comfortably numb and from Hugo's POV we see that it is hard to focus on the road. I take this to mean that Hugo and Jamie have decided to save Julian's thoughtful gift of psychoactive drugs for a special occasion like driving in traffic at 65 mph.

I don't know if I have ever hated characters on a TV show that I have just met as much as I hate Jamie and Hugo. When they stopped at the gas station, I was so totally hoping that in his alterered state Hugo would step in front of an 18-wheeler and get run over. I don't know if I can be with TV characters as vapid as Hugo and Jamie. I have a feeling I am going to keep having this argument every Sunday night from 9 to 10 pm (ET) as long as I keep watching this show.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 3:43 PM

This show is boring to me, I'm glad many here feel the same way, I thought that maybe I didn't "get it." I'm not ready to throw in the towel but I might after three episodes, at least I get this show and I really didn't get John from Cincinatti.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 3:44 PM

If she was vapid, she wouldn't be questioning whether this guy was trustworthy.

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Posted Sep 17, 2007 @ 3:59 PM

Yeah, Jamie & Hugo can shuffle off any old time now. So bored and annoyed with them. I did think it was Hugo who ended the relationship though. In the car he said he needed to be trusted by his partner and then said Jaime obviously couldn't be that person. Whoever ended it ~ kudos. Although I guess they get back together to extend everyone's misery for the run of the series.

Palek is absolutely the most sympathetic character on this show. I could not believe Carolyn's tantrum at therapy. All because Palek chose to express an honest reflection of how he was feeling. What are they going there for? To lie to themselves and to the therapist?
And at brunch with Mason, the sister, is her father paying for her new house that Palek is designing/building? What a couple of spoiled, entitled siblings!

Katie has a desperate need for some vampire porn. Man, is she uptight or what? It was painful to watch her try and gear herself up to no avail. And Dave needs to either just put up or shut up about the therapy.

I had a feeling May was talking to/about a former SO of hers who hasn't moved on in the way she might hope.