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[Featherhat]

No doubt this is The CW's chance for a big it (relatively speaking). I think it has a decent chance of pulling good numbers. The books are very popular, there has been quite a lot of media coverage, it on after ANTM, the best show they could pair it with at this point, with lots of overlap in demos.

Bionic Woman probably won't be too much of a problem for it, skewing older and more male, but "Private Practice" might skim off the older teens/early 20's who might otherwise have watched this. What do the other networks have against this?

[shalia17]

I hope the show does well the first ten minutes really pulled me in.

[Ran]

Bionic Woman will be up against it on NBC. They're promoting it like crazy, as is ABC with Private Practice, but both of those shows could skew older, and BW seems to be aimed more at young men, so...

I hope Gossip Girl will find a niche with fans of the books, fans of The O.C., and people like me who just loooove shows about high school!

[amphora]

Series Premiere: Wed, Sept. 19 (9/8c).
Thought I post here in case anyone else missed the memo. All the commercials I've seen say something along the lines of "check your local listings" (which do people even do that anymore? Like in the newspaper or something? Do people still buy tv guide?) so I had to actually go check the CW site. And, wow, after seeing their fall line-up they better pray this show catches on because their schedule appears to be a ratings black hole in the making.

Edited by amphora, Sep 15, 2007 @ 11:59 PM.

[hellosunshine24]

I'm not really that concerned about Gossip Girl being on at the same time as Private Practice. Because one, I feel like this show has gotten a lot more buzz than Private Practice has, and two, I feel like it has a stronger lead in. ANTM almost always wins in their key demographic, and it shares the same demo as Gossip Girl does, so I think that Gossip Girl has a pretty strong chance of doing well in the ratings. Plus, a lot of Grey's fans were turned off from the show last year because of the direction Shonda went in with the show last year, so people might be less apt to turn into Private Practice because they were unhappy with GA last year.

[Ali Kat]

For Canadians, CTV will be playing the show Tuesdays at 8:00. So the premiere is tonight. This is kind of like how they used to play the OC a day early. I love Canada :)

[4GED]

I loved the GA/PP episode and want to see more of it, and while The OC never did anything for me (could not even watch an entire episode) This show intrigues me a lot. I guess that is when you can say "thank god for DVRs". I think what draws me in more about this show than The OC is the setting, I have never really been a fan of shows set in CA (with the exception of Popular), whereas shows set in NY or anywhere else that has for seasons are more appealing to me. And I loved Cruel Intention so I get the same vibe from this.

Hey Shal.

[shalia17]

Hey Geddy, Hmm maybe I'll put the Meet Market to use for the first time ever lol.

[Hallelujah]

Plus, a lot of Grey's fans were turned off from the show last year because of the direction Shonda went in with the show last year, so people might be less apt to turn into Private Practice because they were unhappy with GA last year.

I'm not a GA fan, but isn't Kate Walsh/Addison a really well-liked character? Like, compared to Izzie and Meredith? Plus, there's always intrigue with shows like that. Just like I'm sure a lot of OC fans checked out GG because of the Schwartz factor, I'm sure a lot of GA fans will check out PP for the Grey's factor. Does anyone know what ABC is putting before PP? I agree that ANTM is a great lead-in for GG. For a smaller network like The CW, they scheduled ANTM and GG really well.

[hellosunshine24]

Addison is well-liked by the critics and here on TWoP, but if you ask most people around you, they would probably list Izzie or Meredith or George as their favorite character. Not Addison.. or at least that's what I have discovered. Addison is definitely my favorite character, along with a lot of people here at TWoP, but I always have to try to remember that TWoP does not represent every viewer of every TV show. Another example of this is TWoP's hate for Marissa Cooper/Mischa Barton.. for a lot of other people who watched The OC, Marissa/Mischa was the reason they even watched the show.

And I think before Private Practice is Pushing Daisies, which has had a lot of buzz, but not as much as this show has.

[Suburban Knight]

Pilot ratings:

More disappointing for the CW was the premiere of lead-out Gossip Girl (a Mr. TV pick) at a last-place 2.9/ 5 from 9-10 p.m. Comparably, that put retention for Gossip Girl out of Top Model at just 71 percent. As I always say, never judge any series by its first telecast. Was Beverly Hills, 90210 on Fox a hit from the get-go? No!

[hellosunshine24]

Okay, so maybe I was wrong and PP really will kill this show in the ratings. Now I'm kinda nervous.

So what is 2.9/5, like 3 or 4 million?

[minneapple]

More from Berman -- 2.9/5 is 3.65 million. Not horrible, but the retention rate is key and that was only 71 percent out of Top Model. The demo is also pretty disappointing. I wonder how it did in the 12-34 demo (which Berman doesn't report on).

But disappointing for the CW was the premiere of lead-out Gossip Girl (a Mr. TV pick) at a last-place 3.65 million viewers and a 1.7/ 4 among adults 18-49 from 9-10 p.m.

[hellosunshine24]

That's average for a CW show though, I suppose (except for ANTM). I did think it would do better though, with the ANTM lead-in and all the promotion and media coverage the show was getting. Oh well, perhaps it will do better as the show goes on..

[tinker bell]

Has anyone heard if they'll be streaming the episodes online at the CW's site? That could defintely help build up its fan base.

[minneapple]

I'm also interested to see the DVR numbers for this show. CW shows usually do very well in the DVR data. The final Nielsen numbers should look better.

[ScrappyTheOwl]

DVR viewing by 3am is included, finals don't include any more of it (finals mostly reflect errors - such as preemptions where viewers for a game were included in a show's numbers). Numbers reflecting DVR viewings within 3 and 7 days (LIVE + 3, LIVE +7) is available to the networks, but you'll rarely see it in the media or released by Nielsen.

[UniqBlue69]

Very disappointing. Comparably, One Tree Hill's fourth season opened with a similar 3.64 million viewers and a 1.7/5 in the demo one year earlier. This show had the biggest promotional push and a pre-existing fanbase from the book series. I think it's my residual love for the WB that makes me care and want to see The CW do well, but I think it's a lost cause.

I think they either need to abandon their strategy of programming for teens (do we need another teen network when there's already a few courting that demo) or just scrap the network all together. Maybe I'm being too alarmist but a show that had this much hype (I couldn't escape the ads, especially on Myspace) should've been able to top at least 4.5 million easily. Young people (or any for that matter) just don't care for this network.

[Featherhat]

I think they either need to abandon their strategy of programming for teens (do we need another teen network when there's already a few courting that demo) or just scrap the network all together. Maybe I'm being too alarmist but a show that had this much hype (I couldn't escape the ads, especially on Myspace) should've been able to top at least 4.5 million easily. Young people (or any for that matter) just don't care for this network.

I read a couple pieces last year that said many of the age range that used to watch the WB shows in their heydays now watch more "grown up" dramedies like Greys, Desperate Housewives, LOST (not a dramedy but still) in huge numbers rather than shows purely orientated at teens, and high school shows are watched by a lower age boundary than previously. It would make sense because of the pityful numbers this network is pulling for many shows on a strict teen/highscool show demographic. I was expected at least over 4 million given the advertising and massive popularity of the books. Oh well I'm sure this will be one of the last in the season to be cancelled if it has to come to that since they are so desperate.

[EMOjunky]

I don't know, maybe I'm just used to seeing low numbers in connection with CW shows - but this is really all I think they can expect right now. If you compare it to most of the other shows on the network - except Top Model - that's sadly a pretty good number for the network. Even Smallville at the end of the season last year wasn't even making 4 million any more last year. I don't know what the CW needs to do to get higher numbers - bc right now - for the CW - anything over 3.5 million - is a high number!

[SassandtheCity]

I sense that this show may be a show that grows over a season. If I remember correctly, The OC was considered a bit underwhelming after the pilot aired but caught on eventually its first season.

[hellosunshine24]

The OC's ratings were pretty good though, for a show considered a "teen" show. Weren't they getting 10 million and up in their first season?

[SassandtheCity]

I just remember the day after the ratings came in, a lot of the media were like, "An underwhelming beginning for the much talked about show." I doubt Gossip Girl will ever reach even the bad OC numbers but that's because they are stuck on CW.

[lilarose6]

I don't know. I've talked to a few people who were pretty underwhelmed by the pilot and the characters. I turned it off myself. Something that's been advertised as heavily as Gossip Girl with a compatible lead in like Top Model, and is bright, shiny, and new, should have performed better. TPTB can't be pleased at those numbers.

[jazzbee]

Final Nationals are in and they are even lower. Ouch!

Gossip Girl (series premiere)
- 3.504 million viewers
- 2.3/4 HH
- 1.6/4 A18-49
- 2.1/6 A18-34

Retention out of ANTM is 67% (viewers), 72% (HH), 64% (A18-49) and 72% (A18-34) respectively. Those are not very good either.

Edited by jazzbee, Sep 20, 2007 @ 5:58 PM.

[mustbekarma]

The pilot was also up against the premiere of Gordon Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares on Fox. I watched that, but I have multiple CW networks, so I tuned in an hour later for Gossip Girl. Like lilarose6, I turned it off. I lasted about 25 minutes; I found the voiceovers referring to the characters as initials just too damn annoying, and the story just didn't grab my interest.

Now I have to investigate the competition's ratings.

[Mia Nina]

I do wonder how effective is for them to only focus on teenagers. I'm 23 now, but when I was a teen I would live for watching tv. So did all my friends. But now, the teens I know don't watch tv. They just don't.

[TheSpeculum02]

The CW were hinging so much faith on this show, I'm sure TBTP are quietly freaking out.

Veronica Mars premiered it's debut episode on the CW last year when the network was barely known to a respectable 3.4 million viewers. I remember Rob Thomas at the time reporting that Dawn and co. had let him know those numbers were "passable".

3.5 million viewers for a new, premiere show that has been advertised in a plethora of ways for months isn't the best sign. The demo's also do not look so hot.

The thing about this year is that it is supposed to be the one that the CW "break through." As it stands '3.5 million viewers', for a network which combined both the WB and UPN that appears to have an average worse viewership then either former net... is not a good sign.

Let's just hope that the ratings improve rather then dwindle. Because I like this show.

Edited by TheSpeculum02, Sep 21, 2007 @ 5:45 AM.

[goldentail]

Let's just hope that the ratings improve rather then dwindle.

I thought this show would attract more viewers even if just for the pilot episode because of the hype. I wasn't planning to watch it but am really curious about how it will do.

Considering two more very hyped shows will be premiering next week (Bionic Woman & Private Practice), it might be a tougher draw for this show.